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openSUSE:Testing meeting 20100531

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Agenda

  1. 11.3 Milestone 7 experiences
  2. LinuxTag Berlin 2010 Meeting?
  3. openSUSE Conference 2010 call for papers

Transcript

[Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:05:56] <bmwiedemann> OK. so let's start [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:06:10] <bmwiedemann> todays topics http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Testing_Core_Team/Meetings [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:06:22] <bmwiedemann> own experience of openSUSE 11.3 Milestone 7 [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:06:43] <bmwiedemann> I only have some (3-4 bugs) from my automated testing [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:07:37] <HolgiDE> as far as I know, LWFinger had some more [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:08:23] Quit Sleep_Walker has left this server (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:08:31] <LWFinger> Yes, I had a new one with NFS clients, but fix already available, [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:08:56] Join Sleep_Walker has joined this channel (~Sleep@nat/novell/x-bamnazkaicxcoqsi). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:09:17] <bmwiedemann> I noticed that it often needs 1-2 weeks for a fix to get available in factory. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:09:36] <LWFinger> I also found an installation prolen with nouveau, but that is very much a work in progress. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:10:23] <LWFinger> coolo reported some advances in build times this morning on the Factory mailing list. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:10:46] <LWFinger> It seems that OOo is a real drag on the times. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:12:38] <LWFinger> I have two M7 systems that are in daily usage: (1) x86_64 on my laptop, (2) i586 VM under VirtualBox. Both are in use for debugging a USB wireless driver. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:12:38] <HolgiDE> I also read that [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:13:29] <HolgiDE> gjn:. what about your esata problem? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:13:54] <HolgiDE> did you find a solution for that? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:14:34] <HolgiDE> ok, he is probably not here [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:15:48] <bmwiedemann> other MS7 experience? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:16:50] <LWFinger> I seem to get quicker response to my Bug filings than I used to. Is that better response times for all. or does the Team get special treatment? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:17:26] Join CupRacer has joined this channel (~thomas@static.17.115.40.188.clients.your-server.de). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:17:34] <bmwiedemann> I also had mostly good responses. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:18:29] <ReferenceSeete> It does seem that response time has shortened. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:18:53] <LWFinger> As to M7, wireless looks very good. There may be problems with individual drivers, but nothing generic. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:19:28] <ReferenceSeete> Although even 11.2 felt like it had shorter response times. 11.3 has been a weird testing run for me. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:19:47] <LWFinger> My table at http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Testing_Core_Team/Subteams/Wireless_Results is complete. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:20:47] <LWFinger> ReferenceSeete: How so? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:24:18] <ReferenceSeete> Well pre-M7 was problematic. M7 is pretty solid and my complaints are with upstreams. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:24:18] <HolgiDE> LWFinger: how do you collect the content of the table?ß [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:24:43] <HolgiDE> LWFinger: is that all tested on your own? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:25:40] <LWFinger> Those are all individual test runs done here. I have 3 AP's running so that I have WPA, WPA2 and WEP always available, and now a 5GHz option. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:25:59] <HolgiDE> LWFinger: and do you install them manually or how do you do that?ß [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:27:05] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: I guess we can move on to next topic [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:27:07] <LWFinger> The tests are all manual. I also have 10 different wireless interface devices. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:27:25] <ReferenceSeete> That's very impressive LWFinger! [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:27:37] <HolgiDE> right [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:27:49] <bmwiedemann> second topic today is "Meeting at Linuxtag in Berlin? " by Holgi [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:27:52] <LWFinger> Thanks. I've gotten into wireless driver development. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:28:12] <HolgiDE> ok, that's mine [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:28:33] <bmwiedemann> I am planning to be there. Already got 3 days off (Buildungsurlaub = educational leave) [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:28:40] <HolgiDE> I'm going to the Linuxtag in Berlin next week [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:28:52] <HolgiDE> I will be there Wed - Sat [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:29:01] <bmwiedemann> so all 4 days [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:29:17] <HolgiDE> and was wondering if we can arrange a meeting with outher participants from CTT [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:29:27] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: correct [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:30:12] <bmwiedemann> we could do some nice brainstorming or coding session, too :) [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:30:31] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: sure, when will you be there?ß [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:31:13] <bmwiedemann> probably from Wed 09:00 [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:31:30] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: so also the full 4 days then? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:31:56] <bmwiedemann> at least the first 3. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:32:18] <HolgiDE> ok [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:32:28] <HolgiDE> will anybody else be there?ß [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:33:36] <CupRacer> I'm afraid not. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:34:06] <LWFinger> No, please post a summary of anything that the Team does. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:34:16] <bmwiedemann> Berlin is probably to far for our global network of testers [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:35:17] <ReferenceSeete> Yes, Berlin is a bit of a flight. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:35:18] <bmwiedemann> third topic is mine: "possible improvements of automated testing" [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:36:33] <bmwiedemann> I already added a few tests for current factory bugs. should ensure that we notice when they are fixed and when regressions occur [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:37:56] <bmwiedemann> uhm... maybe I should start at "does anyone not know what automated testing I mean?" [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:38:22] * HolgiDE is aware of it [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:38:35] <LWFinger> I'm aware. Your work is very impressive. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:38:45] <HolgiDE> right [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:38:47] <ReferenceSeete> I'm curious about *how* you are doing your automated testing. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:38:54] <k0da> bmwiedemann, what kind of framework are you using for it? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:39:10] <bmwiedemann> k0da: kvm with self-made perl-scripts [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:39:23] <bmwiedemann> it is evolving as I go [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:40:33] <k0da> Could you please share scripts? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:40:35] <bmwiedemann> I am planning to make it modular, so that just adding an file autotest.d/123_test_bug_678901.pm contains everything to reproduce the bug and detect whether it is OK or failing [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:41:35] <bmwiedemann> k0da: I do have a git repo http://www3.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst/INSTALL [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:41:37] <k0da> bmwiedemann, thx [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:43:55] <bmwiedemann> the working is rather simple. it will take screenshots of the VM via qemu and calculate MD5 hashes of the image or several parts of it. If it finds a known value there, it can be rather certain what is displayed. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:44:16] <bmwiedemann> and it will send keystrokes with the proper timing. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:45:53] <LWFinger> I just tried to clone the git repo and got: error: couldn't connect to host while accessing http://www3.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst/INSTALL/info/refs - fatal: HTTP request failed [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:46:10] <LWFinger> Is there a permissions problem? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:46:12] <bmwiedemann> LWFinger: is git using curl? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:46:43] <bmwiedemann> then you might be hitting https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598574 for which I include a test in above code :) [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:47:03] <bmwiedemann> you can try delta.zq1.de for now [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:47:44] <bmwiedemann> ah, no. you need http://www3.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst.git/ [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:49:26] <LWFinger> I'm not sure? It is installed. I'll sort it out later. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:49:48] <bmwiedemann> LWFinger: I mean you tried to clone the wrong URL [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:49:57] <k0da> LWFinger, just did git clone without any problems [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:50:15] <LWFinger> Using http://www3.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst.git/ did not help. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:50:19] <k0da> git clone http://www3.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst.git/ works for me [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:50:40] <bmwiedemann> LWFinger: and http://delta.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst.git/ ? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:52:34] <LWFinger> IThe http://delta.zq1.de/bernhard/git/autoinst.git/ worked. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:52:39] <bmwiedemann> anyway. if anyone has ideas for improvements, I'll be glad to hear about them [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:52:56] <bmwiedemann> LWFinger: then you hit the above curl-bug [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:55:00] <bmwiedemann> next and last topic will be "openSUSE Conference" http://en.opensuse.org/Conference_2010 [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:55:40] <HolgiDE> ok [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:56:02] <HolgiDE> I just want to mention that openSUSE Conference will take part in October [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:56:13] <HolgiDE> in Nuremberg/Germany [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:56:25] <HolgiDE> and want to encourage everybody to take part [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:56:38] <HolgiDE> at least if he is from Europe [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:56:53] <HolgiDE> is anyone planing to attend? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:57:00] <LWFinger> I would like to be there, but hard to travel that far on retirement income. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:57:07] <k0da> HolgiDE, I plan [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:57:25] <HolgiDE> LWFinger: I do understand [Monday, 31 May 2010] [13:59:08] <HolgiDE> I don't know how it will be this year [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:00:03] <HolgiDE> but having a talk will sometime help with cost problems (probably not for intercontinental flights) [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:01:08] <HolgiDE> CupRacer: what about you? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:02:56] <bmwiedemann> HolgiDE: what is a "BOF" ? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:03:24] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: where? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:03:41] <bmwiedemann> http://en.opensuse.org/Conference_2010/Call_For_Papers [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:04:11] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: birds of a feather session [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:04:59] <LWFinger> The English idiom for "people with a common interest". [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:05:44] <bmwiedemann> I see. so sort of a discussion meeting? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:05:56] <k0da> I have to go, bye bye [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:04] <HolgiDE> bye k0da [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:14] <ReferenceSeete> bye k0da [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:20] <LWFinger> bye [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:24] <bmwiedemann> bye [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:28] Quit k0da has left this server (Quit: Leaving). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:36] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: e.a. kde people sit together and discuss or develop something [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:06:52] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: or keysigning-party was a BOF last year [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:07:17] <bmwiedemann> so doing something together rather than 1 talking and n listening [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:07:54] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: I guess scope is more a special group - can also be a talk [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:08:18] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: but a talk about testing would not be a BOF [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:08:34] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: just if our team wants do have it just for us [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:10:40] <bmwiedemann> I wonder if there would be interest outside of our testing team. And I have not given talks since I was out of uni... 5 years or so [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:11:39] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: I had a talk about testing last year which was quite crowded [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:11:56] <HolgiDE> bmwiedemann: so:. yes there is [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:12:03] <bmwiedemann> OK. Will have to think more about it. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:12:29] <HolgiDE> ok [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:12:48] <bmwiedemann> then we can conclude todays meeting, unless someone has another topic? [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:02] <HolgiDE> I don't think so [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:12] <LWFinger> bmwiedemann: Your kind ot testing would have general interest. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:27] <HolgiDE> or better:. it does not look like ;-) [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:27] <LWFinger> I have nothing more. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:45] <ReferenceSeete> I think that's it. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:55] <HolgiDE> ok, so thanks for attending [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:13:55] <bmwiedemann> or, we can close the official meeting (and talk on inofficially some more) [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:14:54] <HolgiDE> next meeting planed for june 21st [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:15:06] Quit Sleep_Walker has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:15:06] <HolgiDE> since RC1 is on June 17th [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:17:34] <bmwiedemann> OK [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:17:59] <LWFinger> Sounds good as long as RC1 is on time. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:18:30] <ReferenceSeete> Should be good. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:20:28] <LWFinger> My experiences with M7 were much better than with M6 - I'm encouraged. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:23:39] <HolgiDE> ok, I'm going to leave [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:23:42] <HolgiDE> cu all [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:23:58] <bmwiedemann> I am still a little worried by the post M7 bugs that I saw in factory [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:24:43] <ReferenceSeete> Bye HolgiDE [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:24:52] <bmwiedemann> Ciao Holgi [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:24:58] <HolgiDE> bye ReferenceSeete [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:25:02] <HolgiDE> bye bmwiedemann [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:25:43] <bmwiedemann> one probably caused by gcc-4.5 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609955 [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:25:45] Quit HolgiDE has left this server (Quit: Bye all). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:28:28] <ReferenceSeete> Well 11.3 does push the boundaries a bit compared to previous releases. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:31:01] <LWFinger> New gcc releases can be a real problem. [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:33:32] <bmwiedemann> one should be able to rely that working C-code produces working binaries. otherwise all sorts of strange effects could occur [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:36:45] Quit tsundell has left this server (Quit: Ex-Chat). [Monday, 31 May 2010] [14:46:15] <ReferenceSeete> Sorry all, I have to go. See everyone on the 21st.