Portal:15.5/Retrospective

Welcome to the openSUSE Leap 15.5 retrospective.

Survey at https://survey.opensuse.org was opened since 7th June and closed on 22.06.2021 23:55am CEST.

We've received 371 responses compared to 760 in 15.4, 605 in 15.3 and 409 in Leap 15.2.

Raw data can be already found here File:Results-leap155retro.ods . Raw data can be useful in case that user makes cross reference in between what went well and what didn't go well. This information would be otherwise lost once we start categorizing feedback items.

This wiki page will then be an archive of the retro result just like in 15.4,15.3, and 15.2.

Public Review of results

As for the past two releases, I want to yet again process the release retrospective results in a few public rounds, categorize responses, and share feedback with respective teams once done.

We had at least three rounds of review last time. Numbers tell me we'll need more this time, or we need to find a more effective way of categorizing. We'll announce more rounds if necessary.

https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting

• Thursday Jun 22nd - 20:00 - 21:00 CEST https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting
• Tuesday Jun 27th - 15:30 - 16:30 CEST https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting

TODO for lkocman announce more public rounds (at least two).

Additional info needed from community

Ctrl+f for (NEEDINFO). We could use some more context for feedback marked with "(NEEDINFO)" string. Thank you!

What went well

Stability

• Even in the RC Phase this release was quite stable and well performer.
• rc change is slowly, hope to verify more precise.
• not really surprising, but everything went smooth during Beta, RC, and GA.
• I always do an clean new installation since aprox 15 Years. It went uneventful. tnx. System runs stable on a daily base.
• I'm home user in laptop. Stable, everything works fine for me.
• I run 4 versions of Linux from Refind EFI boot loader , this upgrade was the smoothest I have ever done not a single hiccup. This upgrade took no time at all before i was logged in and running again. Thank you.
• No problems at all
• No surprises. Everything went well during the live upgrade of OpenSUSE Leap from 15.4 to 15.5 following the Online Upgrade Instructions using Zypper. Thanks a lot.
• My biggest positive experience has been stability. All of the applications I use daily work like a charm.
• I'm on 15.5 since the beta and it's very stable.
• The usual testing a couple of months before release date was predictable as ever. Then upgrading went as quickly and flawlessly as expected. A new installation also threw up no surprises whatsoever.
• The distribution works smoothly, there are no crashes in the software or in the system
• Everything went as it always does - Very well with nothing to complain about. In fact, I actually though something went wrong when I stepped away from my computer for a few minutes and came back to find it rebooting; but it was just that 15.5 had installed incredibly fast and with no intervention needed on my part.
• This release has worked well, and without any problems.
• stable and fast
• Everything works great, no complaints with stability.

Installation

• Fresh installs as well as upgrades from 15.4 working flawlessly - as usual...
• I installed Leap-15.5 yesterday. I did not upgrade. I did a fresh install. Everything went so smooth. Thank you.
• Instalación y configuración es excelente. Felicitaciones. / Installation and configuration is excellent. Congratulations.
• Install was fast and logical with Yast installer
• installation process on fujitsu lifebook went smootly, all hardware working ok. battery control accurate.
• Clean install of 15.5. Zero problems during install and first boot. Clean boot sequence and no error messages. This is in contrast to Ubuntu LTS, Fedora and Oracle Linux. Good job to the kernel team! Plasma desktop stable too.
• The installer guides you through the process without problems. The guided partitioning makes partitioning very easy.
• It runs well on my hardware. Although I had to tinker a bit to get my keyboard backlight working.
• I was able to upgrade it using an article and terminal without needing to create an ISO file. Everything went smoothly during the upgrade yesterday.
• It is my incompetence that produce problems. the installation via live USB, works perfectly.
• Everything works smooth
• Everything worked as expected
• Following the standard procedure to download and install leap 15.5 everything works fine.. Download the iso Install to VMs until now
• Everything correct, in a x299, no problem, fast and stable. No negative comment. Thanks and best regards

• Easy and fast installation process, new OS detected encrypted partition on the hard drive and it was able to mount it and decrypt. Software center Discover now works much better, I assume software installations will be much more easier for newbies, too. Even software which did not run well for me in the past such as MS Teams, Viber, Rocket.chat etc. now installs and runs smoothly. VirtualBox also works perfectly. I was able to work with various operating systems (not only Linux) on my desktop and I feel openSUSE 15.5 is the best one. Stable, secure, user-friendly. Thank you very much! Please, keep doing this good job.

Offline Upgrade

• Upgraded server using upgrade option from USB image, all went well without any problems

I did an in-place update, which happened without flaws or complaints, but Firefox didn't work properly after it, and as so, I used the package found on mozilla extra repository to fix it.

• It went well, as expected. (continuation about spartan process in what didn't go well)
• There were no surprises nor conflicts with previous installation: that's exceptionally good news for a stable release. (continuation in what didn't go too well about offline installation with KDE)

Upgrade

• Upgrade from previous release went great
• I did the online update and it went without a hitch.
• I was surprised there was no visible breakage during and after the upgrade.
• Migration from 15.4 was OK.
• The upgrade process from 15.4 to 15.5 went flawlessly, I had a 1500+ packages to update and not a single issue.
• The upgrade went very smoothly.
• Everything went smooth except for specific repositories like ham, electronics etc etc.
• The whole upgrade on my suse-server from leap 15.4 to 15.5 took me 3 commands and 30minutes of time including downloads. A reboot and I was ready to go. everything works fine so far. dlna, samba, sync, backups and so on
• I have a few systems that have been upgraded to each release from 42.1 through 15.5 without any major problems. Nice to see that Bug 1183247 has been fixed; I ran into this bug when upgrading to 15.3, and again when upgrading to 15.4.

• I upgraded several systems from Leap 15.4 to Leap 15.5. On all of them the upgrade went very smooth and the user experience on the

upgraded system is very good, Some minor bugs from Leap 15.4 are resolved and they work fine and so far stable. Congratulations and thanks for the good work.

• As always zypper dup works flawlessly! Had to accepet some repo keys manually not a big deal.

• I tested zypper dup -D with the base repositories and some community repositories to see what it did 🤔:

Problem: the to be installed tlp-1.5.0-bp155.1.8.noarch conflicts with 'power-profiles-daemon' provided by the to be installed power-profiles-daemon-0.10.1-bp155.2.13.x86_64

Solution 1: deinstallation of power-profiles-daemon-0.10.1-bp154.1.11.x86_64
Solution 2: deinstallation of tlp-1.4.0-bp154.1.28.noarch
Solution 3: keep obsolete tlp-1.4.0-bp154.1.28.noarch

So TTY + login + password + sudo zypper --releasever=15.5 dup --allow-vendor-change + choose solution 1 ... 20 min later reboot and voila 🥳! Apart from that, I don't see any difficulty, or even any difference: the magic of openSUSE. 😄 openSUSE purrs like a cat as usual

• The upgrade from 15.4 was smooth (either for GNOME or KDE).

• I just fired 4 zypper commands and after some time and a reboot I had 15.5 running. No problems at all. Many things improved since S.u.S.E. Linux 4.3 😉

• Upgrade went smooth, no hickups and settings were preserved

• Everything went smoothly and according to expectation, have upgraded my main system from 12 onwards without major issues.

• All worked well. Maybe is a surprise to others not used to SuSE, but for me It is not a surprise, as I had been online upgrading flawlessly these systems since openSUSE 13.1.

• upgrade from 15.4 by terminal was flawless apart some repositories that are non included into 15.5 like snappy and pro audio but it was expected.

• The upgrade on my two desktops went very well. I didn't have any issues during the upgrade of the desktops. The https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade page was very helpful.

• I was upgrading from Leap 15.4. Following the system upgrade page on https://en.opensuse.org/ was easy, my computer remained bootable through the whole process. The btrfs snapshot integration gave me a peace of mind.

• Smooth update process, everything just worked, even when updating directly (via ISO image installer boot) from 15.2 to 15.5

• Basically, it just upgraded from 15.4 to 15.5 and that's it. All the hardware working previously mostly works now, too.

• Online migration from openSUSE Leap 15.4. to 15.5 has been smooth for multiple systems with standard hardware.

• No package conflicts during upgrade. All programs still work. After finding out how to do it, the upgrade was easy to do (flag in zypper command)

• everything went smooth and well with the upgrade from 15.4 to 15.5. Thank you very much.

• All in all, the Updates went very well indeed. A new processor (from AMD A8 to Ryzen 5 4600P) fixed the graphics problems I had previously with my 4k monitor, back then I had to upgrade using another monitor.

• upgrading from 15.4 to 15.5 went well, same for installing 15.5 from scratch

• I upgraded 4 systems (one with arm7) from 15.4 to 15.5 and pretty much everything went without a hitch. Among the systems: aorus ax370 gaming k7 / ryzen 5800x, beelink gtr5, cubox-i4 pro

• Instructions were good, update was painless.

• Zypper distribution upgrade from Leap 15.4 executed on a Laptop with WLAN with the instructions in the "System upgrade" SDB without a hitch. I haven't yet performed my usual "upgrade clean-up" but, the laptop is functioning smoothly.

• Upgrading with zypper dup works fine

• I was pleasantly surprised that when installing by upgrading a previous 15.4 installation the process went through without any problems the first time

• All my custom configuration kept working

• The upgrade goes well for me :-)

• A simple zypper dup upgraded my server and laptop with no issues at all. The documentation was the first link In Google when I searched

• The upgrade from 15.4 to 15.5 went as advertised. Used $releaserver=15.5 and the dup went very smoothly. Very happy.

The information in the wiki was useful to do the upgrade.

• I have a pet server that's been running LEAP for quite some time now. I've always been able to perform an inplace upgrade to the next version of LEAP without issue.

• Upgraded two leap 15.4 installation to 15.5 using zypper. No problems.

• online update went without issues

• Migrated from 15.4 to 15.5 smooth, no problems at all.

• I upgraded 3 computers and the upgrades were entirely without problems. An annoying bug which used to prevent the kde mixer from working on one computer (for many, many releases) even went away to my surprise and delight.

• I used the net version to upgrade a standard X86-64 laptop (Intel I3) offline. Went much smoother this time.

• Flawless. More intuitive to the end result I was seeking.

• Everything went smooth with dist-upgrade.

• Updated using zypper method on several computers (including my home native Linux workspace). Update was painless, thanks to the instructions (temporary new step: used rpm --import /usr/lib/rpm/gnupg/keys/*.asc to update the new keys). No problem at all on old and newer hardware. Haven't installed through the (net) iso image since 15.2 or so, should I be doing that more often?

• Upgrade from 15.4 via zypper on command line went very well and fast.

• Upgrade from 15.4 via zypper on command line went very well and fast.

GA Image availability

• Iso was available even ahead of release. Download was without problems
• there was a good variety of images to choose from.
• The very first day it was available on the mirror near me.
• download was quick with no issues
• Release was easy to download, unlike previous releases where past mirrors were painfully slow.

GNOME

(various positive feedback for GNOME and KDE is also in the installation and upgrade sections)

• Fractional scaling is awesome, just as good as Windows. All the gnome distros I tried have blurry fonts.

KDE

(various positive feedback for GNOME and KDE is also in the installation and upgrade sections)

• Latest KDE is nice.
• glad it's supporting newer DE like Plasma 5.27.
• Please maintain KDE Plasma for leap 15.6 and/or leap-ALP
• It is good that KDE Plasma 5.27 is included.
• Updated KDE: Plasma 5.27.4, Framework 5.102, KDE Gear 22.12.3
• My laptop media pause, back, and forward work by default. The firewall didn't block KDE connect and printer by default like it did in 15.4.
• I think so far since I upgraded to the latest version and the KDE interface that I liked a lot I didn't face any problem Thanks
• The new indicator for Wacom's touch panel for KDE

NVIDIA

• I also love the fact that opensuse is the only distro not having that annoying brightness spike when using the slider with Nvidia

AMDGPU

• It seems that support for the rx 7900 xtx has appeared (I can’t check it, since it is used with vfio), but i can see amdgpu as a driver for this device in lspci output.

XFCE

• XFCE was rightly upgraded to 4.18 and we get to use the improvements there. Overall, very solid.

• Brand new install of Leap 15.5 with KDE went very well. Will try a XFCE version next. If that goes well I will migrate 15.4 XFCE versions on production machines. These are modest spec machines but have a long openSUSE history and have been on Leap since 12 or 13 versions. I simply change out the repos and upgrade over the years as normal. Would be very surprised if 15.5 encounters troubles.

Artwork

• Nice wallpaper

Containers

• Avialability of the podman container.
• Good to see a newer version of podman as well.

Cloud images and WSL

• The actual upgrade itself (that is, the packages that were installed) seems to have went smoothly, using `zypper up` + `zypper dup --releasever=15.5` (went well)
• Public Cloud Images as well as WSL were available very quickly with GA. GA, RC were on time!

Future direction

• I'm glad this is not the last release of non-ALP Leap, so I won't have to jump the ship soon.

• I love having a MicroOS version of Leap with SELinux available.

• I respect what the MicroOSDesktop Team is building and I'm obviously interested in ALP but when you announced that Leap could go to 15.6 you brought joy to my life. Thank You! I do love cutting edge and the new direction but equally I like the simple solid path that Leap supports. I have to thank you again!

Communication

• I always appreciate communication (docs, blog posts, etc.) about timelines for new releases. I feel like openSUSE does a good job of sticking to published timelines, which makes it easier to plan and schedule upgrades.
• i feel like leap users are diminishing (or maybe tumbleweed are just noisier?) but this process went smoothly and appreciated all the work behind it.
• The announcements on facebook for the release of the version are also nice.
• Communication about 15.5 was good.

• I'm really happy about marketing efforts around Leap 15.5 GA, there were many micro posts on many different platforms. Good job!

• The release was quite well announced on social media

Contribution

• This time it was easy to push packages to Leap 15.5, and a lot of packages was proactively updated by SUSE

Python

• Update from 15.4 to 15.5 went smooth, no issues. plus there is now python 3.11 available :)

Performance

• Firefox seems smoother.
• My pc is old (10 yenes) 8 de Ram and is fast!!!!!!
• That boot time... oh boi, fantastic.

User Experience

• No problems whatsoever. It is a great release.

• My system doesn't crash sometimes after waking from hibernation

lkocman: I suppose it was meant as improvement from the previous release

• I like the updated status of some key packages granted that it is a Leap release with a conservative character. I also love the fact that opensuse is the only distro not having that annoying brightness spike when using the slider with Nvidia. Other common annoying things other distros have, are mor present in Opensuse (time change with dual boot windows systems, bad fonts in some websites using microsoft fonts, bas cross-DE experience)

What didn't go well

Installer

• Installer is outdated, and not very user-friendly for newcomers. As a marketing guy, I can tell you this is taking people straight to Linux Mint, Ubuntu, etc. Yast also needs a facelift. It looks the same as I remember from around 10 years ago.

• Installer looks rather dated

• Didn't set up a hostname and the computer thinks that it's "debian" with an empty hostname. Did you compile OpenSUSE kernel on a Debian system? Did you forget to change some flags somewhere? I completely wiped my drive, nuked it with zero-fill. It's not on my end.

lkocman: I believe this will be in settings of your DHCP server :-)

• when the computer first came up it had no ipv4 address. after a lot of panic, this seemed to be resolved by rebooting my router, so maybe i was just unlucky. i mention it in case others have the same problems (i also changed random things in network manager, but i don't think i did anything significant).

• The installation is pretty slow compared to other Linux distributions I've installed.

• I tried installing three times. On each occasion the system would not recognize my password even though changed each time. I subsequently used a simple password which worked but would not then accept the same password for root. I asked for both root and user to have the same password. If you would like to offer me any assistance I would appreciate trying it again. If not I am going to delete it..... kentucklylodge4 AT gmail.com

• I had previously copied the dvd to a local directory and installed from there, this failed totally and I had to Abort and restart. Won't do that again. There was a dependency error with a Mozilla codec, and the Seamonkey available is an older level with a known showstopper problem. The Mozilla repository has a much newer (pre-release) version and that works.

Downloading the dvd failed for me - I had to use a torrent - but that is a temporary problem with my network connection.

• the proposed automated partitioning does not take into account of what is already on available disks (just proposes to remove some partitions on the first disk to make enough space for the installation, though there are free partitions on other disks), this could lead to loss of important data.
• In advanced partitioning I had to choose (activate) taking snapshots (suppose so because the translation to Czech was not quite clear to me and there is no explanation), I would have thought it would be activated as default
• the hardware clock setting is wrong, after choosing the timezone and synchronizing, the correct time is displayed but when I choose UTC the time changes to a false value

• (I suppose user means installer gui) The interfaces and overall design are unbearably ugly and awkward. This may not seem like an important issue, but it really makes the experience not as enjoyable as it has the potential to be. Great distro, just needs a makeover.

Hardware Enablement

• Yes. The fact that it includes recent enough packages and backported hardware support makes this release worthy of using.

YaST

• Yast shuts off the instant I type anything. Need a software list like KDE Neon has a program.'

• Since this morning (2023-06-11) Yast desappeared after the update of this morning. A bug?

Install media

• No installable media that includes ONLY one Desktop Environment like is the case with fedora workstation (sorry for namedrop). Not livebootable was already a hard sell but no small enough install media for gnome and kde separately is rough for adoption.

Future direction

• I don't know what the future of Leap is and am considering moving to Debian and Red Hat at work since it looks like openSUSE wants to be an immutable Gnome-only desktop moving forward.

• (THIS PART WAS FROM WHAT WENT WELL) It was announced that this would be the last Leap release I think that is the best decision opensuse has made in years to reduce the blood, sweat and tears the community has to go through to release it, but with no real benefit to the community or SUSE. (THIS PART IS FROM WHAT DIDN'T GO TOO WELL) It was announced that 15.6 will happen, which is stupid. Focus on the future.

• As a long time SUSE user, I find the forthcoming transition to MicroOS to be a bit messy. I like the idea of MicroOS desktop but its not ready for general use. I also feel that it having a Tumbleweed style base not really acceptable. Updates constantly and with newer packages, unlike stable SLE/Leap. I welcome the plan for 15.6 but the roadmap needs to be reviewed.

• Sudden announcement of 15.6 and no clear roadmap for a stable Leap OS is very worrying. I am already looking at alternative distros despite having used opensuse for over 20nyears. I do not want to have to do a fresh install nor domI need or want an imutable OS.

User experience

• Freecad doesn't work
• Font viewer is unable to install custom fonts (.otf & .ttf), the error message says "Could not read font".
• XFWM keeps crashing sometimes. I've noticed it keeps doing that with WINE applications in particular, from the default OpenSUSE repo.
• check_zypper for nagios monitoring delivered with opensuse 15.5 doesn't not work with opensuse 15.5

Georg: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212196

• Firefox didn't work properly after update, and as so, I used the package found on mozilla extra repository to fix it.

Communication

• I didn't know that there was a new release and only found out on Reddit.
• I feel that there could have been more communication about the release.
• The update, plasma and kernel status of Leap 15.5 in comparison with 15.4 is not what I expected for my needs (private office desktop user). In the news article (7 Jun 2023) it says "... non feature release", I personally would have written this into the title, like "this release is for XX users and not for usual desktop users.", something like this.
• There could be better promotion of openSUSE as its an amazing linux distro. Many people have never heard of or tried openSUSE.

phoenix: Regarding the release announcements: Looking at the News section of https://www.opensuse.org/ we could introduce categories to make e.g. release announcements more prominent than other news.

FDE

• It worked okay but I still have to enter my password twice on boot with full disk encryption.

GA image availablity

• I don´t get why your download servers are always running out of their capacities on release day. But hey, it worth to wait until next day since I trust in you guys.

• I downloaded the Installation DVD on 9-Jun and installed it in a VirtualBpx VM. Alll went well; however, I was surprised to note that the installer announced itself as "Leap 15.5 Alpha", and I got the Beta installation warning later in the installation! Neither situation caused any problems, but the Beta install message might confuse someone that is new.

• I had a slow download of the iso. It may have been my internet connection, but I don't believe it was.

• There was a problem accessing the download page on the day of release. That was resolved in a day or two.

• no real issues, on release day the dvd download link didnt work for a bit, but after a few minutes it was working again

• The message with a countdown (?) on www.opensuse.org didn't work.

• the name of the ISO file in the sha256sum ASC file does not correspond with the name of the downloaded ISO

• (TW SPECIFIC) zOnly negatives is mirrors in America can be slow at times but that in itself favors the simple beauty of Leap over Tumbleweed. Directly answering the question, I have not encountered any Leap issues. As a fanboy I'll say I do not expect to encounter problems in the future.

lkocman: We could create simlar ticket like https://sd.suse.com/servicedesk/customer/portal/1/SD-122920 but for General SUSE IT, and mention that we'd prefer if there would be no updates/changes on the infra. Same should ideally be done for openSUSE heroes.

Torrents

• What I want to mention as disappointment that I can't see the torrent link directly via a browser however it does exist. https://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.5/iso/openSUSE-Leap-15.5-DVD-x86_64-Build491.1-Media.iso.torrent. So I had to download the iso and then google to find the link for the torrent as I always make the iso file available for others through my torrent client.

• I was missing torrent files when downloading, so we could help share the release

lkocman: let's add this back to the openSUSE release process. But we need to remove links later when we respin images. Or perhaps find another solution (different name etc).

Upgrade

• There were 8 items that I had to select choice 1 to install from different library to get from 15.4 to 15.5. Maybe there should be an --allow-vendor-change in the zypper --releasever=15.5 dup line?

lkocman: I'm quite certain that this involves 3rd party or OBS repositories. We could improve docs specifically this section https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade#6._(Optional)_Add_extra_repositories

• openvswitch3 add, update from openvswitch, not enable auto

lkocman: I can share this with maintainer, but I think he'll need more context.

• the only application that does not work for me as before the upgrade is opera, I'll need to do some investigations to sort out hardware or configuration issues and will file a bug report eventually...
• Some package versions got downgraded (curl), not a big deal though.

lkocman: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212748

• - After reboot: no windowmanager could be started. I tried Plasma (X11), Gnome (all flavours), IceWM. However, when logged in as root (console) then a 'startx' gave me a Plasma desktop. I then tried a fresh install. Same story as above. After several reboots (from a bootable USB-tick, I all of a sudden got a complaints of shim sbat ... failed or something of the like. Only disabling secure boot cured me from this feature.

lkocman: (NEEDINFO) please open a bug https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports

• It broke Brave browser.

lkocman: (NEEDINFO) please open a bug https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports for me the flatpak version works. Are you using https://brave-browser-rpm-release.s3.brave.com/brave-browser.repo as recommended by the Brave team?

• why does opensuse still have no COMPLETE SANE FULLY FEATURED AND EASY WAY to online upgrade (zypper dup) from the current leap to the successor leap. its june 2023 and opensuse STILL DOES NOT OFFER SUCH AN ESSENTIAL ELEMENTARY SITUATION? WHY? :(

lkocman: https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/issue/115

• During the development phase snapshots were often published with long time

in between. This gave the impression that the testing possibilities are somehow restricted. But as finally everything works fine it's no problem. When updating a fully up to date Leap 15.4 to Leap 15.5 some packages are downgraded, e.g. curl-8.0.1-150400.5.23.1 to curl-7.79.1-150400.5.18. In previous releases it sometimes seems that updates arrived faster in the "old stable" release (e.g. Leap 15.3) than in the "new stable" release (Leap 15.4).
lkocman: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212748

• Tried first an upgrade. That did not go well. System did not boot up after that. Perhaps a minor problem. Did choose not to search for solution. Installed from scratch. No, problems there, as always installation went without problem. That said could by my own fault.

• When upgrading my Thinkpad T520 laptop from Leap 15.4 to 15.5, I was informed of a conflict between tlp and power-profiles-daemon. I wasn't sure which one to install. Eventually, I decided on tlp. It would have been helpful if this was mentioned in the release notes or on the https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade page.

• Hard to find how to upgrade (flag in zypper command).

• After the installation the update had an error regarding libsolv-tools (not good).

• Had two systems to upgrade - laptop and workstation from openSUSE 15.4. Laptop had no issues when rebooted, workstation was unable to find boot. No big deal, just did fresh install on the workstation. The drive partitioning on workstation was the same between 15.4 and 15.5

lkocman: needinfo please open a bug https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports

Offline upgrade

• During the DVD upgrade, I was surprised by the spartan progress display.
• I was using Leap with KDE repos and during the upgrade (via the DVD) I had to choose the repository change of every single KDE piece of software to the main repo, and there were a whole lot... It could be a good idea to offer the option of selecting e.g. option 1 for every choice, so the user can simply review and confirm the choices instead of having to click on every single one.

• Upgrading w/o installer is possible only for people who don't mind using CLI, there should be an option in the Software app to upgrade the system like in Fedora.

• I miss the detailed progress display of the packages. (user mentioned offline upgrade in what went well)

Artwork

• Once installed, on XFCE, I did not like the artwork background display.

OpenH264

The info on the https://en.opensuse.org/OpenH264 page is confusing, at least for those who are upgrading. After the upgrade, the repo-openh264 did not exist. I was able to add the repo and install both gstreamer-1.20-plugin-openh264 and mozilla-openh264. However, the https://en.opensuse.org/OpenH264#Firefox_config_changes section is confusing because I don't see the media.gmp-gmpopenh264.provider.enabled or the media.peerconnection.video.h264_enabled preference names. Furthermore, my Firefox profiles that existed on Leap 15.4 still had the old 1.8.1.2 version of the OpenH264 plugin on 15.5. Firefox would not update the plugin to the 2.3.1 version. Deleting the ~/.mozilla/firefox/{profile}/gmp-gmpopenh264 directory, or refreshing Firefox, causes the system-installed plugin in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/gmp-gmpopenh264/system-installed to be used. In about:config, the media.gmp-gmpopenh264.version preference doesn't show the version as 2.3.1, but shows "system-installed" instead. It's not clear to me that the media.gmp-gmpopenh264.autoupdate preference should be set to true, because I think that the Package Update / YaST updates the plugin rather than Firefox.

transactional-update

• On a server installed with Leap in transactional server mode (therefore not with the iso specially designed for it), I have a problem upgrading from 15.4 to 15.5, the KVM virtual machines no longer start. I didn't have time to investigate the problem but I had never had the problem before, including with an upgrade.

Release Notes

• Release notes could be updated earlier, maybe 2-3 weeks before GA, so that

pc magazines or blogs can have current information for distribution reviews they are publishing at the time of GA.

Wiki

• Documentation seems to be lagging - there is at least once place in the Release Notes where it says "15.4" when it means "15.5"

The list of repositories at https://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories has not yet been updated from 15.4 to 15.5.

• The openSUSE Wiki System upgrade page (https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade_to_Leap_15.5) still references upgrading from 15.3 to 15.4 in multiple parts of the text.
• The wiki was not yet updated to reflect 15.5 and for my use case I only needed the $releaserver command. Would be slightly difficult for anyone not really familiar with openSUSE to easily identify what needs to be done for their use case.

KDE

• KDE Live started up with garbage stripes in lower screen, above the task bar. It announced that it was nearly out of space on /home. It threw errors on trying to access System Settings. It then threw errors on trying to access the application launcher! I gave up. This is NOT good marketing for 15.5!

• Install apparently went well but after it completed KDE will not start, gives a dialog: "Could not start Plasma session."

Restarting the display manager to IceWM works but I can find no suggestions in the forums to get things working normally. Doing a system rollback to 15.4 and waiting a month to try this again.

• since I'm using KDE Plasma desktop, Sometimes the KDE systembar at the lower bottom hangs or does not appear for seconds.

• It is not good that KDE Plasma 5.27.5 is not included - only 5.27.4! And still many little Plasma components are not available from the official repositories…

• Two Problems with Leap 15.5 kde1 slowRight after startup, access to applications menu, taskbar icons, thumbnail tray icons is extremely slow. I measure between 8 and 15 seconds!solution session disconnection and reconnection and the behavior becomes smoother again.

• systemd-xdg-autostarg-generator was introduced to Plasma carelessly even though there are still known problems under Tumbleweed. Some applications including input methods are broken.

• No problem with installation, however I was suprised not to see Wayland as default - later I understood when I tried to switch it on. Plasma X11 sometimes cannot remember which one of my two monitors is the main one (external). After installation of software via Discover I had to grant access to local file system from command line for a few applications (e.g. for Google Chrome apps) which I think is a bit awkward. Although volume up and down can be controlled from the keyboard, display brightness cannot on my HP ProBook 450 G6. However, all these issues can be considered negligible.

AMDGPU

• GPU driver from AMD is not available at the release timing

GNOME

• Me hubiera gustado un GNOME actualizado a versión 43/44. A simple vista no se notan cambios con Leap 15.4. / I would have liked a GNOME updated to version 43/44. At first glance, no changes are noticeable with Leap 15.4.

• Ancient GNOME is the most disappointing one, even Debian 12 has more recent version.

• Network Manager Icon Shows a question marke even when connected. I still couldn't find the root cause.

• Gnome 41 has a bug that appears when specific gnome shell extensions are enabled: when using gnome search, the first character typed, is typed twice (known bug). Maybe a more recent/bug free gnome release would be suitable.

LXDE

• Both battery/AC power indicator in LXDE and acpi command now show irrelevant information time after time. For example, while the machine is connected to an AC power, indicator shows it is running on battery (yellow color), and acpi command says that battery is not charging, with zero time remaining. Interestingly, sometimes these two are back to sanity and are working properly as before in 15.4. The hardware is a Lenovo's Legion 5 machine with AMD processor and RTX 3050.

Other DEs

• Some DEs like cinnamon and apps having too old versions in the repo
• Openbox. SuSe is missing some of the companion packages that other distros have made available

New 4k key

• (WSL) There was one repository that had an unknown key, even though I managed to update `openSUSE-build-key` (to 1.0-lp154.3.6.1) before doing the dist-upgrade. Unfortunately I don't recall _which_ repository it was… it might have been http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.5/non-oss/ ?

• last minute release of new build keys and 4096 new rsa keys and still they dont become installed INTO the current or previous leap e.g. 15.4 leap? so that the pgp keys are immediately usable and imported and trusted for example for rpm command? WHAT THE HECK JUST WHY?

3rd party and OBS repos

• Earlier build for 15.5 in buildplatform say from rc onwards
• Some of the OBS package repos for Leap 15.5 were a couple days behind the release date.

For example, the Mozilla repo for 15.5 was not available for a couple days.

• Disabling third party repos and activating them to install e.g. latest LibreOffice and Firefox. I enabled those repos but struggled a little to get to the old state.
• A few 3rd-party repos need manual interventions
• getmail disappeared. i am not sure where i installed it from originally, but to get it back i had to manually add the experimental server:mail repo. this had two issues: (1) the one click install didn't work (instead it downloaded a getmail.ymp file) and (2) the entry at https://software.opensuse.org/package/getmail shows the version "15.4" for 15.5.

• Received a few error messages that some packages couldn’t be found in the new repository

lkocman: I suppose this was 3rd party, user didn't specify any details

• during install there were a bunch of conflicts related to prev packman installs (this was an upgrade from 15.4). i guess this is normal, but it was ugly.

• I did add some repos from the OBS, which had to be disabled before updating. It would be nice if zypper showed more clearly what are official repos, what are OBS repos, and what are other third party repos.

• As usual all extra repositories were deleted. A little confusion about mozilla h264 and a library when I used the new opi codecs. I still have to bring back some additional software...

NVIDIA

• After upgrade of system and adding Nvidia repository accessing the Nvidia repository gave the following:

"Problem beim Abrufen der Dateien von 'nVidia Graphics Drivers'. Fehler beim Download (curl) für 'https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/leap/15.5/repodata/repomd.xml': Fehlercode: 'Curl error 92' Fehlermeldung: 'HTTP/2 stream 0 was not closed cleanly: PROTOCOL_ERROR (err 1)'

Verlauf:

- Gebe nach 3 Versuchen auf."

I assume that this may be resolved within the next days.

• nVidia driver and multimedia codec installation. The 1-Click Installers aren't up for 15.5 yet and adding the repos manually for both fails

• I missed the mokutils update window (nvidia driver) during the first boot after upgrade.

in the instruction in https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_drivers it says I could invoke the mok management page again by calling # mokutil --import /var/lib/nvidia-pubkeys/MOK-nvidia-gfxG0<X>-<driver_version>-<kernel_flavor>.der --root-pw However it is impossible because there is no such file. /var/lib/nvidia-pubkeys dir is not exist. And I'm still figuring out how to solve this.

• GDM is launched on TTY2, but system shows TTY1 on boot requiring manual switching or creating a systemd service to do so (NVIDIA GPU)

• The nouveau driver has had a serious, longstanding bug that seemingly only exhibits itself with the 6.3 and onward kernels, and only with older Nvidia chipsets. This was discussed in https://forums.opensuse.org/t/older-laptop-tumbleweed-nvidia-and-nouveau-drivers/166413 and https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/nouveau/-/issues/213 and other places, and seemingly has been fixed with https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/c8a5d5ea3ba6a18958f8d76430e4cd68eea33943 The bug does not affect Leap 15.5 (kernel 5.14.21-150500.53-default) once it is successfully installed, but it does prevent at least openSUSE-Leap-15.5-DVD-x86_64-Build491.1-Media.iso from booting (to the "Install" target and I assume "Rescue", etc). The workaround is to add "nomodeset" to the ISO's kernel parameters. This is also required for Tumbleweed ISOs, at least through 20230613, and for Tumbleweed systems of that date, post-install, where it of course prevents the nouveau driver from loading and forces the system to run with un-accelerated, CPU-only graphics. Again, this does not affect Leap 15.5 (post-install) but it will completely prevent a newbie user from installing 15.5 in the first place. IMHO this is not acceptable, and the 15.5 ISO's boot kernel should be updated with the above patch (or similar) to see if it solves the problem. Alternately, "nomodeset", "blacklist nouveau", or some similar default should be added, at least if and when the problematic hardware is detected.

l10n

• (fresh install of 15.5) I have a small hiccup while setting locale settings - as always. I am in Dindigul, TN, IN. I prefer my settings be en_IN.UTF8. Somehow, I have to resort only to KDE Settings (rather than YaST2), even where I find some no-so-straight approach, as compared to other settings. Otherwise, okay for me. 👌

• the Polish translation is incomplete.

• some translations in KDE gear from English into German are missing. Not a big deal! (e.g Kontact/Kmail -> email/security-encryption).

Containers

• In registry opensuse the latest Leap image brings 15.4

Kernel

• Upgrading from a fully patched Leap 15.4 install left me with an unbootable system. Thanks to snapper I was able to roll back the upgrade and be back in business in minutes.

Hang on boot with message: [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)

Manufacturer: MSI Product Name: Z87-G45 GAMING (MS-7821) BIOS Information Vendor: American Megatrends Inc. Version: V1.9

This same issue had occurred previously on Tumbleweed after various kernel updates, and was ultimately the reason I came to Leap.

• Too ancient kernel outliving its stay. Hoped for a newer LTS kernel than 5.4 that needs a lot less backported code grafted from future releases. 5.10, 5.15 or even better 6.1

Codecs

• Looking for video codecs and plugins so Firefox could play all kinds of videos. Everything is in Packman, but the update isn't so easy to do.

Audio

• Since 15.4 sound output with aorus ax370 gaming k7 (alc1220 / starship/matisse hd audio) has some artifacts/glitches. Neither with pulseaudio or with pipewire. But in 15.5 looks like things a little bit better.

Wireless Headsets

• (describing that all works ih what went well section) except my bluetooth headphones (the connection is made and disconnected seconds later)
• Bluetooth Sound is Solo Beats 3 wireless is baaaad
• My WiFi headset connects. But the sound stays on the inline speakers; even with the box checked "Switch all running streams when a new output becomes available." It's really a very small problem, given all the functions and software available.
• Wi-Fi headsetsimpossible to connect my wifi headset (recurring problem with 14.4 with each kernel update while waiting for a fix.)I can't find a solution.conclusion : I'm thinking of switching to kubuntuoriginal

Hardware Enablement

• On beelink gtr5 wi-fi (Mediatek MT7921K (RZ608) Wi-Fi 6E 80MHz [14c3:0608]) is not working out of the box. I can bind device manually to driver mt7921e and then use it. Looks like support for dev_id 0608 was added to mt7921e in 5.17 kernel.

Python

• (from what went well) Can't say yet unfortunately, because I can't update because hundreds of python packages I have in my homerepo are not built for both, but normally only for python311. So an upgrade from 15.4 to 15.5 must consequently fail.

Now I have to fix this for myself somehow. But with several hundred packages this takes time. (now what didn't go too well) Just that with the Python packages. Not only that an upgrade is prevented, is also missing in several packages under devel the new macro %{?sle15_python_module_pythons} Under 15.4 they are available as python3. Under 15.5 then as python311. Such an extreme problem had not decades!

• Old python version is headache. Most newer programs need newer python, as version 3.8 and newer. Out of box was only 2.7 or something like this. Compare to Tumbleweed (what I use in another computer) this part was very bad surprise and took long to get work (4 - 5 hours). I am medium level user and I don't think beginners will choose Leap for their linux distro - Tumbleweed is better in this perspective. Old Kernel version what I also saw mentioned when I searched from forums solution for this first mentioned python problem wasn't to me problem.

• That default python version.... 3.6.15 is ancient, and one could argue that it poses a security risk since that was the last release (2012.12). Would've been nice to see a newer version. I know that 311 is available from the official repos, but still, shipping by default with an almost 2yrs old, unsupported version seems off.

mcepl:' Just to clear up this confusion: Yes, 3.6.15 is ancient, and yes, it is a problem, that we have to keep it as default Python 3 on SLE-15, but no, it is not a security risk, because obviously it is constantly updated and patched with all CVEs which we found applicable to it (if you know about something we haven’t patched, please, file a bug). Mcepl (talk) 13:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Scripting languages

• The only thing I would comment on is ancient PHP support its mid 2023 and liek it or not lots of apps use PHP Nextcloud for example will now need a minimum pf PHP 8.1. I now have to hunt down extra repos which are not as well tested for a production environment.

• - No update for PHP (still using version 7.4 and 8.0) also Ruby (2.5), may have version variations like Go (1.19, 1.20), Java (8, 9, 11, 17) and Python (3.10, 3.11).

Printing

• Installing a printer is still a total mess. I have Brother laser/copier (DCP-7065DN) and CUPS site/socket has no support for any brother printer. Using the Brother driver/installer from their website and instructions I found on the opensuse form it didn't work in Leap but did work in TW. I was finally able to fix it in Yast for Leap. I was using Kalpa (MicroOS) but spent time over 3 days trying to get the printer to work and gave up going to Leap. It must be next to impossible to get the printer working on an immutable system.

snapper

• It is not well shown what is included in the btrfs snapshots either by default, or when i am making a manual one, which would be helpful.

openSUSE-welcome

• I would have liked a what's new welcoming page after update, describing some of the new features, if possible.

Missing software

• DisplayCAL is missing for monitor calibration

Retrospective itself

• 14 days to submit the retrospective survey, during a peak period of European holidays? I haven't upgraded any 15.4 to 15.5 just yet as I was on holiday 10-18 June. The first Rule of going-on-holiday-club is don't mess with anything if you want to go on holiday. Second rule of going-on-holiday-club is when you get back there's tons of stuff to catchup on, so revisit Rule#1 ;-) Then there's the anti-altruistic: learning from other people's mistakes/let others bleed first mantra. Typically I sit on my hands for a couple of/few weeks before upgrading, watch the support-list chatter etc. I appreciate you want to learn/fail fast, but perhaps you'd have more useful feedback if the survey window was extended to four weeks?