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[Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:04:49] <decriptor> ding [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:05:18] <decriptor> we go live to jbrockmeier as the opensuse marketing meeting is about to start [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:05:27] <jbrockmeier> heh [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:05:47] <jbrockmeier> OK, it'd be spiffy if we could change the topic... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:05:52] * decriptor starts to hear news casters in his head [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:05:53] <jbrockmeier> but, we'll muddle through [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:06:00] <jbrockmeier> Who's here for the marketing shindig? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:06:23] <decriptor> I [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:06:44] <decriptor> suseROCKs: ping [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:07:16] <jbrockmeier> http://en.opensuse.org/Marketing_Team/Meetings/Marketing_Meeting_2008-09-09 [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:07:22] <jbrockmeier> the agenda and such is there. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:07:25] Quit uberChick has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:07:26] <jbrockmeier> Let's get started. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:08:05] <jbrockmeier> Last meeting we had quite a lot of discussion about translations and localization, but not much chatter on the mailing list. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:08:08] <jbrockmeier> I hope we'll pick that up. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:08:16] Join uberChick has joined this channel (n=uberChic@97-118-55-117.hlrn.qwest.net). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:08:32] <jbrockmeier> The transcript is on the wiki [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:08:36] <jbrockmeier> from last meeting. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:08:46] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: how about a report on HH? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:10:01] Topic You set the channel topic to "openSUSE Marketing Meeting in progress". [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:10:14] * decriptor bows to such power [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:10:22] Topic You set the channel topic to "| openSUSE Marketing Meeting in progress". [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:10:31] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: ? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:11:07] <jbrockmeier> OK. I guess suseROCKs got pulled awy. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:11:09] <jbrockmeier> er, away [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:11:30] <jbrockmeier> FunkyPenguin: do you want to talk about openSUSE TV? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:11:35] <suseROCKs> hobbles in late... sorry... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:11:39] <FunkyPenguin> sure [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:11:51] <FunkyPenguin> too late suseROCKsback of the line ;) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:12:11] * decriptor laughs and points at suseROCKs [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:12:20] <suseROCKs> no problem, FunkyPenguin is an easy act to follow  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:12:34] <decriptor> ouch [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:12:35] <FunkyPenguin> ok openSUSE TV as some are aware is hosted on blip.tv [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:12:45] Join gabaug has joined this channel (n=gabe@24-136-24-125.mart-bsr1.chi-mart.il.cable.rcn.com). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:13:12] <FunkyPenguin> the aim is to get the message about openSUSE out to the wider audience and not just openSUSE users [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:13:58] <decriptor> FunkyPenguin: is it possible to have each video (tutorial based) blogged about on opensuse-tutorials.com [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:14:00] <suseROCKs> I think we should have a "TV" view on the home page, what do you think? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:14:08] <FunkyPenguin> im hoping to ensure that whatever content is on the blip channel is also on tube.o.o - which holds most of the originals of the talks that are filmed by openSUSE (FOSDEM/LinuxTAG/etc) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:14:25] <FunkyPenguin> decriptor: yes [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:14:37] <FunkyPenguin> i started to do just that but got side tracked [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:14:51] * decriptor sorry for being a slacker on that stuff. I've been really busy lately [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:15:00] <Beineri> suseROCKs: why, and where? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:15:26] <Beineri> there are not even screenshots on the new proposal, and video is one step further [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:15:46] <suseROCKs> just a thought [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:15:55] <FunkyPenguin> the point of having content on both blip and tube is so that those that are devoutly FLOSS can view/stream it from tube in ogg and those that are slightly unclean can use which ever format they want [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:15:57] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs, Beineri - why don't we hold that discussion for the home page discussion on the agenda? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:16:08] * suseROCKs shuts up  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:16:08] <FunkyPenguin> what i would like to see is more content [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:16:45] * decriptor jaw just hit the ground, is that all it takes [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:16:48] <suseROCKs> FunkyPenguin: What efforts have you got in mind for calling out for content submissions? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:16:49] <FunkyPenguin> atm there are just the official talks, my hackweek project of interviews (one more still to go), and some screencasts [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:16:51] Join s_matsumoto has joined this channel (n=helios@61-26-3-112.rev.home.ne.jp). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:17:03] <Beineri> FunkyPenguin: can you add videos from other bliptv shows? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:17:15] <FunkyPenguin> i've already put out a couple of requests, not just for content but also for ideas on content [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:18:03] <Beineri> FunkyPenguin: like http://blip.tv/file/1201002/ ;-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:18:08] <decriptor> a getting started series would be cool [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:18:13] <FunkyPenguin> Beineri: not 100% sure but i'll ask. i'll also check the linux.com video license [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:18:22] <decriptor> videos that a complete noob could follow (training videos) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:18:37] <suseROCKs> FunkyPenguin: I'd suggest a quick tutorial how to create content on tube.o.o. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:18:50] <suseROCKs> which also gets posted in opensuse-tutorials  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:19:19] <FunkyPenguin> Beineri: ok i'll double check with the blip folks [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:19:50] <FunkyPenguin> suseROCKs: tube is pretty much just a webserver, you upload the ogg file and walk away [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:20:12] <FunkyPenguin> obviously you need an account from DuDE (which i must request!) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:20:36] <suseROCKs> Well, even that isn't clear on that page  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:21:12] Join rhorstkoetter has joined this channel (n=rhorstko@drms-4d0067e0.pool.mediaWays.net). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:21:26] <rhorstkoetter> sorry for being late [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:21:49] <suseROCKs> careful rhorstkoetter, they mocked me for being late... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:21:55] <FunkyPenguin> dont forget the content is by the community for the community. i have very little restrictions in mind for content [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:22:08] <-> rhorstkoetter> sorry, we just had a vote and decided to disband the forums. If only you had been here to cast another pro-forums vote... ;-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:22:24] <FunkyPenguin> so has anyone got any ideas for content? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:22:36] <rhorstkoetter> suseROCKS: :-/ [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:22:40] <suseROCKs> The getting started video series decriptor suggested is excellent [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:22:40] <jbrockmeier> FunkyPenguin: how about some packaging tutorials? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:17] <jbrockmeier> a build service tutorial would also be excellent. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:23] <suseROCKs> we should probably monitor #suse and note which topics people seem to have trouble figuring out without something visual [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:27] <decriptor> jbrockmeier: those would probably be good screencasts? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:39] <decriptor> suseROCKs: nvidia, broadcom, ati, [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:42] <FunkyPenguin> definately good screencasts [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:43] <decriptor> did I leave any out :P [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:45] <jbrockmeier> decriptor: screencasts and/or talking head shots. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:23:54] <decriptor> jbrockmeier: are the heads floating? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:02] <jbrockmeier> potentially [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:15] <FunkyPenguin> picture in picture style? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:20] <suseROCKs> I've seen quite often... "Where is this yast?? I don't see it" [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:24] <decriptor> FunkyPenguin: nice [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:44] <decriptor> I think a series of training vids would be great [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:46] * FunkyPenguin looks to see if there are any kino courses [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:48] <suseROCKs> just create a factoid that points them to video of yast, and they go Ahh [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:24:54] <decriptor> welcome to opensource, lets get started... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:25:11] <decriptor> errr... opensuse [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:25:32] <suseROCKs> Freudian slip [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:25:35] <FunkyPenguin> decriptor: ok so hows about you mail the ml with the content to have in the training vids and we can add/remove to the list? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:26:01] <decriptor> FunkyPenguin: sounds good. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:26:25] <decriptor> maybe I'll con my my wife into helping since she is still very new to linux [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:26:30] <decriptor> I'm tainted [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:26:40] <suseROCKs> This is probably one of the easiest ways that the community can contribute. Just turn on screencasting and upload. If each community person did just one, we'd have a crapload of videos ready. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:27:04] <jbrockmeier> "openSUSE. We've got a crapload of video" [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:27:08] <jbrockmeier> ;-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:27:18] <jbrockmeier> anything else on openSUSE TV, FunkyPenguin? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:27:19] <suseROCKs> heh [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:27:27] <decriptor> lol [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:27:46] <decriptor> if someone wants to teach me how to do screencasts, I'm up for it [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:28:00] <decriptor> I'd imagine that they are easier than tons of screenshots [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:28:06] <jbrockmeier> FunkyPenguin: can you do a screencast on doing a screencast? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:28:37] <FunkyPenguin> haha, im sure you could, but ive never done one [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:28:43] <suseROCKs> decriptor: it is soo easy, there's about 5 packages you can choose from in yast [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:29:05] <FunkyPenguin> i cant think of anything else, unless there are any questions? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:29:14] <suseROCKs> then all you do is turn on the app and do your thang. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:29:49] <jbrockmeier> OK [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:29:53] <decriptor> suseROCKs: can you write a tutorial on getting that setup? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:29:58] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: how about that HH report now? :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:30:06] <suseROCKs> decriptor: sure [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:30:16] <suseROCKs> jbrockmeier: do I haaaaave to? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:30:19] Join michl has joined this channel (n=michl@nrbg-4dbfbf02.pool.einsundeins.de). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:30:21] <suseROCKs> ok ok, here goes... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:30:23] * decriptor kicks suseROCKs [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:30:45] <suseROCKs> I'm glad to say that cap_pickle, aka Chris Coray is a part of the team. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:31:20] <suseROCKs> But, apparently, my motivational skills are lacking, since no one responded to my blog article seeking volunteers... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:31:35] <suseROCKs> however... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:32:06] <suseROCKs> It is *clear* that a number of us have great expectations for HH. As evidienced by zonker's mention of it in a Metaquestion thread yesterday [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:32:18] <suseROCKs> As well as yaloki wanting to do a packaging seminar at some point in the near future. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:32:28] Join }-Tux-{ has joined this channel (n=marcus@opensuse/member/Marcus-H). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:32:46] Part }-Tux-{ has left this channel ("kampf-chameleon"). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:32:53] <suseROCKs> I honestly don't know how to make participating in the project more exciting that it is. I think it is a cool and easy project to participate in. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:06] Join }-Tux-{ has joined this channel (n=marcus@opensuse/member/Marcus-H). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:08] <suseROCKs> As it provides excellent opportunities for networking as well. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:12] <suseROCKs> Ideas? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:19] <suseROCKs> or more importantly... Volunteers? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:23] Join cap_pickle has joined this channel (n=chatzill@nat/novell/x-37e6d3c04a5c30a3). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:26] <decriptor> suseROCKs: I think I have one [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:34] <suseROCKs> oh sure, cap_pickle logs in now... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:41] <cap_pickle> sorry [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:45] <suseROCKs> :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:46] <decriptor> suseROCKs: I went and kicked him on IM [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:46] <cap_pickle> busy morning [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:33:54] <cap_pickle> yeah, threatened to hurt me [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:02] Quit hurikhan|Work has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:02] * suseROCKs is forever indebted to decriptor [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:15] <decriptor> mahahahahaha [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:29] <suseROCKs> cap_pickle: just a quick review, I was discussing that we haven't gotten any new volunteers to step up yet and asking for ideas [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:44] <cap_pickle> ah [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:46] <cap_pickle> for HH? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:34:50] <suseROCKs> Si [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:35:27] <suseROCKs> But I guess that's something of a universal challenge. Everyone wants but getting them to step up is another thing [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:35:51] <cap_pickle> yeah [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:36:17] <suseROCKs> decriptor: you were about to say you have an idea? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:36:20] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: have you sent something to a larger mailing list? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:36:33] <jbrockmeier> like -project, or was the call for volunteers sent to -marketing only? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:36:55] <suseROCKs> I have sent to announce in the past, and just recently just on my blog. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:36:56] <yaloki> would be interesting to know how many are subscribed to -marketing [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:37:10] <yaloki> I have no idea whether the channel is wide enough to reach potentially interested ppl [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:37:25] <jbrockmeier> yaloki: I don't think it's as wide as -project :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:37:39] <suseROCKs> obviously the widest is opensuse ML, but I shudder to re-subscribe to that one  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:37:48] <yaloki> jbrockmeier: it doesn't have to, but still, I don't know whether we've broadcasted it enough to have interested ppl subscribed to it [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:37:59] <yaloki> suseROCKs: I think that list is a dead end [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:38:05] * FunkyPenguin hopes -factory can return to normal too [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:38:27] <suseROCKs> I guess I somehow misperceived announce vs project though and should probably post there as well [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:38:28] <yaloki> FunkyPenguin: now that's interesting, AJ says that -factory is the right place to discuss that KDE4 thingy ;) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:38:46] <yaloki> suseROCKs: definitely count me in for HH stuff, it's just that I'm way too busy this week [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:39:08] <suseROCKs> Thank you yaloki [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:39:45] <suseROCKs> jbrockmeier: any ideas on topics that might be of interest in closing the gap of skillset for contributors to the project? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:39:59] <FunkyPenguin> yaloki: it is, just that the discussion turned into a cat fight [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:00] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: pretty much the same thing I said for openSUSE TV [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:16] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: packaging & openSUSE Build Service tutorials/help. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:18] <yaloki> 19:26:39 < suseROCKs> But, apparently, my motivational skills are lacking, since no one responded to my blog article seeking volunteers... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:20] <suseROCKs> jbrockmeier: unless it was captioned, what did you say on opensuse-tv?  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:33] <yaloki> suseROCKs: I don't think so (sorry for picking it up now, I just joined :)) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:37] * FunkyPenguin slaps suseROCKs [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:40:59] <FunkyPenguin> suseROCKs: need to get packaging and Build Service done [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:17] <yaloki> suseROCKs: the announcement was good, maybe widen it a bit (did you post on f.o.o ?), but I imagine that most ppl who could be interested 1) have no idea what sort of work and how much work it represents [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:18] <suseROCKs> FunkyPenguin: hey, it was a legitimate statement on my part  :-p [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:24] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: maybe the KDE team would like to do KDE4 to build interest [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:24] <FunkyPenguin> jbrockmeier: yaloki will take up the first part, and possibly spread it over a few sessions [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:41] <yaloki> suseROCKs: and 2) I'm sure that many don't think they're experienced enough to do it (not enough self-confidence, so to say) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:46] <FunkyPenguin> Beineri: are you keen on doing that? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:55] <rhorstkoetter> vote +1 for an announcement at f.o.o [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:41:59] <suseROCKs> I was about to ask Beinieri  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:03] <cap_pickle> What do we think the projected interest level would be in some more entry-level projects for newer users? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:08] <cap_pickle> yaloki: exactly [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:34] <suseROCKs> cap_pickle: interest level was pretty good after 11.0 was released. It has waned since. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:39] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: also, a page on the wiki for HH & a "how to get started with HH" page would be good. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:40] <yaloki> are we talking about a packaging HH session ? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:43] <decriptor> its the newer users that drove ubuntu's popularity it seems [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:45] <suseROCKs> and at the moment, I haven't scheduled any new events. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:42:55] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: let's not forget it's been vacation season, too. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:09] <decriptor> we shouldn't dumb down everything, but make it easier for them to learn [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:10] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: people are largely outside in droves and not spending so much time at the computer. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:14] <Beineri> FunkyPenguin: keen not, but I guess we can find someone to do it ;-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:14] <suseROCKs> jbrockmeier: yes, and I'm hoping someone volunteers to do wiki setup for HH, move it from /GNOME, etc. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:31] <yaloki> I would propose to do multiple sessions (as FunkyPenguin and I discussed during hackweek) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:49] <yaloki> start with basics: packages, package managers, repositories, dependencies, basic RPM usage, basic zypper usage [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:43:59] <yaloki> then an introduction to packaging [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:03] <suseROCKs> Would we still want to use this channel for future HH sessions? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:27] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: why not? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:32] <yaloki> and then a more advanced track could be done, typical packaging use cases, opensuse packaging conventions, opensuse shlib policy, the build service [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:37] <suseROCKs> also, how do we advertise it? For a while, I would send periodic messages in #suse, but one person objected to that. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:39] <michl> I'd stick with this channel at least untill it becomes to crowded [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:48] <yaloki> michl: agreed [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:52] <FunkyPenguin> Beineri: ok well it's for your own sanity that we're trying to save ;) you can split it up into several sessions - a general into, a difference between 3 and 4, focus on specific apps etc [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:54] <cap_pickle> yaloki: Yeah, and label things "beginner, intermediate, advanced." Something for everyone. It's more work on getting presenters, but I like the idea. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:44:58] <suseROCKs> Here's to hoping it gets crowded  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:12] <yaloki> cap_pickle: yeah, labeling them like that is a very good idea [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:20] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: send a message to opensuse-announce, put it on news.o.o [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:28] <jbrockmeier> put it in the calendar [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:31] Join twanj has joined this channel (n=chatzill@c-76-109-179-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net). [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:40] <suseROCKs> like Mondays are Beginner days, Tuesdays are intermediate days, etc.? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:40] <yaloki> suseROCKs: and I think it would also work the other way around: ask people what they'd like to know more about, let them vote or propose HH topics [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:48] <yaloki> suseROCKs: and then find experts who are willing to do a session about it [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:45:59] <cap_pickle> suseROCKs: exactly [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:46:00] <yaloki> suseROCKs: I think that currently, one per week is fine [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:46:13] <FunkyPenguin> +1 [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:46:26] <suseROCKs> yaloki: for now yes. But would love to see an overabundance of topics and popularity eventually [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:46:31] <yaloki> maybe not always the same day [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:46:41] <yaloki> suseROCKs: I guess we can discuss how to solve that when it'll happen ;) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:47:11] <suseROCKs> and give tests at the end. Those that pass the most tests get a University of openSUSE degree from jbrockmeier [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:47:13] <cap_pickle> I'm just thinking that we keep handing out DVDs and telling people about the wonder that is openSUSE and we want them to see if they like it more than windows, they boot up the live install, and it's a whole new world. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:47:29] <cap_pickle> suseROCKs: lol, awesome [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:47:47] * decriptor sorry, got distracted for a minute [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:47:57] <yaloki> we'd rather have to think about rotating days and times, in order to make it accessible to everyone here and then [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:47:57] <suseROCKs> decriptor: was she cute? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:48:06] <yaloki> timezones and stuff [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:48:18] <suseROCKs> yaloki: yes that was an issue me and cap_pickle talked about. Very difficult really... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:48:35] <cap_pickle> yeah [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:48:39] <suseROCKs> Most presenters thus far seem to be in the European area. Problem is it leaves out North Americans in the evening hours. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:48:41] <yaloki> decriptor: we should poke that susegeek guy to put his howtos on o-tutorials instead of his own site, btw (IMHO) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:48:48] <cap_pickle> I think the most accessible time is around 1600 CEU [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:00] <yaloki> "CEU"? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:00] <decriptor> yaloki: not sure who he is and what he is all about [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:13] <decriptor> yaloki: I've thought about that, but some of his tutorials are lame [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:19] <jbrockmeier> yaloki, decriptor how about just doing a one-paragraph link to the good ones? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:21] <suseROCKs> ok, we have yet another time standard???  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:22] <yaloki> decriptor: okay, was just an idea :) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:24] <cap_pickle> yaloki: um...sure [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:46] <cap_pickle> sorry, that was the wrong time standard, that's for another project I'm working on [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:47] <jbrockmeier> I think he might be trying to build ad traffic to his site, but as long as he's doing good content... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:47] <decriptor> also I'm trying to do it ad free, not sure if he is trying to get the ad rev or not [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:54] <cap_pickle> but yes...afternoon in Europe, morning in NA [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:49:58] <suseROCKs> 1600 UTC would be umm 11 a.m. Central time in US. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:08] <yaloki> decriptor: ok, didn't think about that [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:13] <suseROCKs> Thus excluding the after work crowd in the US. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:14] <yaloki> might be an ad whore, indeed [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:26] <jbrockmeier> yaloki: nothing wrong with that :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:37] <yaloki> jbrockmeier: sorry, """whore""" ;) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:48] <michl> why not doing HH on the same topic twice, once for NA, once for EMEA [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:50:50] <jbrockmeier> if someone can make an honest buck promoting openSUSE, more power to 'em. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:02] <jbrockmeier> +1 michl [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:08] <yaloki> michl: mmyeah.. maybe... question is also whether the presenter has time [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:09] <michl> and if our asian community grew up, a third time for them [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:22] <yaloki> michl: e.g. I'd have a hard time doing it during worktime [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:23] <decriptor> jbrockmeier: the tutorial needs to be accurate at least [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:33] <decriptor> jbrockmeier: note that I haven't read all of them just a couple [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:37] <cap_pickle> +1 michl, great idea [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:42] <michl> maybe we find several presenters [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:45] <yaloki> we do keep logs though, maybe they should be advertised a bit better [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:51:53] <michl> so 1,2 or 3 guys for one topic [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:52:06] <michl> they maybe share between time zones [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:52:19] <yaloki> michl: we're between 0 and 1 for one topic atm though ;) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:52:19] <suseROCKs> did Beineri answer about KDE presentations? Did I miss it? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:52:35] <michl> yaloki: hmm, yes [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:52:55] <yaloki> we prolly don't need to think about it right now though [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:01] <yaloki> let's accomodate the time to the presenter [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:08] * decriptor has to step out [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:10] <yaloki> we'll see whether there is demand to do it at other times [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:12] <suseROCKs> yes, we have to accommodate the presenter [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:14] <michl> yes, most importan to start the thingy [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:24] <suseROCKs> ok guys.... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:53:43] <suseROCKs> what I prefer to do for the current period is to focus on a "cirriculum" if you will, as well as presentation strategies. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:54:20] <suseROCKs> and try to get HH off to a rocketing start by about October/late Oct? to build up enough momentum to be highly available during 11.1 launch [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:54:28] <cap_pickle> ok [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:54:36] <suseROCKs> does that make sense? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:54:41] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: works for me. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:54:47] <cap_pickle> suseROCKs: aye aye, sir [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:17] <suseROCKs> of course 11.1 launches just before xmas... soo  :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:24] <yaloki> hmhm [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:27] <jbrockmeier> OK, suseROCKs - would you do a short post to the -marketing list? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:29] <cap_pickle> It'll make great stocking stuffers [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:34] <jbrockmeier> about what we've covered here with HH? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:42] <suseROCKs> sure thing jbrockmeier [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:49] <jbrockmeier> (also FunkyPenguin w/openSUSE TV?) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:55:55] <jbrockmeier> thanks! [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:56:05] <jbrockmeier> OK - next topic, new design for openSUSE home page [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:56:18] <jbrockmeier> http://webtest.opensuse.org/en/ [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:56:22] <jbrockmeier> we are running long [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:56:30] <jbrockmeier> so can we discuss this on the ML and give Robert some feedback? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:56:45] <jbrockmeier> I think it's fantastic, but I'm sure there are some minor tweaks and such that we might be able to address. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:56:57] * yaloki hates to scroll that much to see the links at the bottom etc.. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:57:12] <suseROCKs> I think the layout of the design is somewhat better than the older one... but... [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:57:36] <alexio44> the bottom bar >> Language & anything else ... should be at the top [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:57:56] <michl> +1 [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:03] <cap_pickle> +1 alexio44 [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:03] <yaloki> prolly better to discuss it on the ML with Robert in CC [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:07] <yaloki> alexio44: +1 [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:10] <jbrockmeier> yaloki: +1 [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:12] <jbrockmeier> :-) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:17] <michl> let's do in on ml [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:24] <jbrockmeier> I think robert is on the ML [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:29] <jbrockmeier> but yes, let's do it there. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:45] <suseROCKs> I'm still somewhat concerned that getting info quickly still isn't the case. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:58:59] <jbrockmeier> OK - next item, I'd also like to 1) start improving the "how to participate" page and 2) promote it more. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:18] <jbrockmeier> this is also a longer discussion topic, so I'll send something to the ML [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:27] <yaloki> jbrockmeier: cool, thanks [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:34] <jbrockmeier> Final topic on the agenda [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:38] <jbrockmeier> YaST mascot [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:45] <yaloki> wut [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:52] <alexio44> o.O [Tue Sep 9 2008] [13:59:53] <jbrockmeier> We've talked about a YaST mascot internally for a while. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:00:30] <jbrockmeier> question is - should we just ask jimmac if he'd be kind enough to do something, or should we throw it out to the community and see if we get decent submissions? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:00:31] <alexio44> android - geeko ? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:00:39] <suseROCKs> ok, so what is the "marketing" intent of having a yast mascot? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:00:46] <jbrockmeier> (It's actually a bug, it's been a request for a while, I guess) [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:01:01] <cap_pickle> jbrockmeier: I like the community idea, and then have jimmac re-do it into a "professional" design [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:01:30] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: help it have more of an identity, as a specific project for participation... would be nice to see YaST adopted more widely. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:02:12] <suseROCKs> hmm... I would think of YaST mascot as sort of like Zeus [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:02:30] <suseROCKs> Big, strong, powerful, yet benevolent [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:02:46] <jbrockmeier> anyone else have a strong opinion on how we should proceed with the Yastcot? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:02:50] <alexio44> allmighty ! [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:02:55] <alexio44> LOL [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:02:59] <jbrockmeier> or any opinion at all? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:03:04] <Beineri> only look or also name for mascot? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:03:13] <cap_pickle> jbrockmeier: What about a snake? Make it the S? keep it in the cold-blooded family [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:03:31] <suseROCKs> ooh that's cold [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:03:33] <jbrockmeier> Beineri: we should probably have a name too [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:04:00] <suseROCKs> jbrockmeier: I say open it up, make a contest of it. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:04:12] <dl9pf> evening [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:04:21] <jbrockmeier> if it's a snake, we could call it "snuggles" [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:04:42] <jbrockmeier> OK [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:04:53] <suseROCKs> we should also have an ifolder mascot [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:04:59] * suseROCKs just said that to perk up dl9pf [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:05] <jbrockmeier> suseROCKs: why did you have to go there? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:18] <jbrockmeier> OK - anything else for discussion? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:28] <dl9pf> = [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:29] <dl9pf> ß [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:30] <dl9pf> ? [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:30] <suseROCKs> nope nothing else [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:05:36] <dl9pf> haha [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:06:00] <alexio44> yast-snake = http://bits.ohloh.net/attachments/3301/pungi_snake-sm-dark_med.png [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:06:04] <jbrockmeier> the mailing list has been a bit quiet lately, I hope we'll see a bit more discussion between now & next meeting. [Tue Sep 9 2008] [14:06:51] <jbrockmeier> OK - thanks to everyone for participating. Have a great rest of the day or evening or morning.

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