OpenSUSE Weekly News/Meetings/20091003

14:31:47 <dl9pf> #startmeeting 14:31:47 <bugbot> Meeting started Sat Oct 3 14:31:47 2009 UTC. The chair is dl9pf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:31:47 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic 14:32:20 <dl9pf> Hi everyone and welcome to our openSUSE Newsletter Team meeting. 14:33:00 <gnokii> #agreed 14:33:10 <dl9pf> There're no topics on the wiki, but i've 2 more points and would also like to collect open topics from you. 14:33:34 <dl9pf> please speak up everyone attending the meeting for the log. 14:33:38 <gnokii> dl9pf there is maybe noone 14:34:23 <saigkill> from my side nothing 14:34:57 <HeliosReds> I'm back now. 14:35:21 <dl9pf> ok, axj gpant javier_ around for the meeting ? 14:35:46 <saigkill> bugboit is present too ;-) 14:35:47 <gpant> I joined to see what this is, if this is a closed meeting I can go 14:35:57 <axj> dl9pf; yes 14:36:23 <dl9pf> ok let me explain our first topic ... 14:36:51 <dl9pf> #topic links on the start pages, usage of redirects and how to handle "stale" wikis 14:37:19 <javier_> yes here I am :) 14:37:45 <dl9pf> This point was mentioned by Jan Weber: we should handle stale and nonexisting wikis in a better way. 14:37:54 <gpant> I have seen some merges of articles that have gone quite bad on the wiki 14:38:40 <HeliosReds> Any example for "stale wiki" ? 14:38:43 <dl9pf> The idea was to use redirects: e.g. http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/current&redirect=no 14:39:12 <dl9pf> HeliosReds: where e.g. the wiki's intro page links to e.g. issue 63 14:39:57 <dl9pf> localized wiki's should use http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/current_lang then 14:40:52 <dl9pf> this prevents ppl from being linked to old issues and directs them to the lastest version (even if not yet translated - but they can join) 14:41:47 <dl9pf> with the redirects we should have no big additional work and it should help us with outdated wiki sites 14:42:15 <dl9pf> so the 14:42:29 <dl9pf> #idea: use http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/current_lang and http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/current as redirects on wiki startpages 14:43:36 <HeliosReds> In particular, what will be changed ? I mean about our workflow. 14:44:34 <dl9pf> the wiki main page (if not updated with every issue as the en version does) will link permanently to current_lang 14:44:59 <dl9pf> and only the en versions need to be changed to get the right issue # 14:45:48 <dl9pf> so it shouldn't really impact the workflow - its just a way to make sure ppl don't get to an outdated issue 14:46:43 <dl9pf> the redirects use the existing pages for "available translation" and so on 14:46:48 <HeliosReds> Question as a translator: Is there anything we - translators - should do for that ? 14:47:11 <dl9pf> adapt the links once the redirects are in place 14:47:17 <saigkill> How can we create that? Create an page current with #redirect Command to the last issue? 14:49:08 <dl9pf> The language wikis should on their main page use "#REDIRECT [[en:OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/current_lang]]" or direct "#REDIRECT [[en:OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/91/Translations]]" 14:49:17 <dl9pf> the latter version requires changing the issue # 14:49:30 <dl9pf> the first is handled centralized for all 14:49:37 <saigkill> I think that sounds good 14:50:37 <dl9pf> this is mainly to make sure we don't link to aged versions - no more, no less 14:51:00 <dl9pf> because its just "bad" if we do the work and ppl get linked to the "wrong" issue :P 14:51:12 <dl9pf> even if not translated for their $lang, yet 14:51:14 <saigkill> True *lol* 14:52:31 <HeliosReds> It would be helpful if we have a sample or template for $LANG.o.o/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News . 14:52:53 <javier_> so by default, it would redirect to the "sorry this issue has been translated" page until translators change it 14:53:05 <dl9pf> HeliosReds: +1 14:53:06 <javier_> *has not 14:53:21 <dl9pf> javier_: yes, it would redirect to the "is available in ..." 14:53:36 <dl9pf> but it would always hit the _current_ issue 14:53:54 <javier_> ok 14:53:58 <javier_> more centralized 14:53:58 <dl9pf> thats the point, and not an old version from last year (.in or .se) 14:54:27 <dl9pf> we use this page anyways for news.o.o so why not extend it 14:54:42 <dl9pf> ok, i think the point is clear now. if you're for this, please vote with +1 or with -1 14:54:52 <gpant> +1 14:54:59 <saigkill> +1 14:55:11 <javier_> +1 14:55:15 <HeliosReds> +1 14:55:22 <dl9pf> +1 14:55:26 <dl9pf> ok, so 14:56:28 <dl9pf> #agreed use of #redirects for linking to current issue on main and localized wikis where applicable 14:56:42 <dl9pf> #action dl9pf: create template page and send to -marketing list 14:57:14 <dl9pf> next: questions/remarks/open round ? 14:57:23 <dl9pf> #topic questions/remarks 14:58:00 <dl9pf> anyone ? 14:58:36 <dl9pf> ok, i still have on my personal todo-list the logo stuff left - i suppose i need to take this up again. 14:58:36 <javier_> maybe we could have a local section to add news in languages other than English 14:58:50 <dl9pf> #action dl9pf: logo 14:59:04 <gpant> dl9pf: what type of work do you need for the logo? 14:59:05 <dl9pf> #topic local section 14:59:12 <saigkill> javier: Maybe every lang can create an own dashboard 14:59:23 <javier_> saigkill: exactly 14:59:28 <javier_> that's the idea 14:59:33 <HeliosReds> Sicnce we have been collecting articles fron wider area and the numbers of the articles are increased, available languages are decreased as I was afraid of. 14:59:46 <dl9pf> javier_: good point, you've always free to add localized content - e.g. as "Local events" below the "In the community" section 14:59:59 <dl9pf> HeliosReds: yes, thats right 15:00:00 <javier_> ok 15:00:46 <saigkill> HeliosReds: AlpVonKri has written me, that his Team coming up to WN soon 15:01:12 <saigkill> And for the others, we can send an ping to the Members 15:02:06 <saigkill> #action saigkill Send a ping to the Translation Teams 15:03:17 <HeliosReds> javier_: See our example on ja.o.o http://ja.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/88#.E3.83.AD.E3.83.BC.E3.82.AB.E3.83.AB.E3.83.BB.E3.83.8B.E3.83.A5.E3.83.BC.E3.82.B9_-_.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC.E3.81.AE_openSUSE 15:03:43 <HeliosReds> This means: Local News - openSUSE in Japan 15:04:50 <|dl9pf|> gpant: i had no time to push the logo stuff through the opensuse trademark approval (as we're using trademarks, we need to get it approved by the board) 15:05:26 <saigkill> HeliosReds: The first time i've seen that. I like this solution. 15:05:26 <javier_> HeliosReds: I see 15:05:44 <gpant> dl9pf: cant help in this :-(, I thought you wanted one designed 15:05:45 <javier_> besides events, I was thinking of local news 15:06:27 <dl9pf> gpant: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo 15:06:41 <dl9pf> javier_: sure 15:07:20 <HeliosReds> javier_: For example, ja team often adds extra articles written in Japanese to "On the Web" section as needed. 15:07:49 <javier_> aha 15:08:00 <dl9pf> either this or the "Local News" approach - both are applicable 15:08:11 <dl9pf> and welcome 15:08:50 <dl9pf> ok - any other topic to discuss ? 15:09:14 <saigkill> dl9pf: Any results with th3e Logos? 15:09:37 <javier_> I hadn't seen all those logos before 15:09:40 <javier_> :) 15:09:53 <dl9pf> saigkill: i need to start the mails to trademark again - lost track 15:10:00 <HeliosReds> No answer from Novell and Zonker ? 15:10:24 <javier_> HeliosReds: Zonker is on holidays 15:10:50 <HeliosReds> javier_: Yeah, I know. ;-) 15:10:59 <javier_> ah ok :) 15:11:11 <dl9pf> put that on my tally 15:12:05 <dl9pf> javier_: if you do a localized section, you're welcome to send us a "ping" on the ML, so ppl can take example on that 15:12:24 <javier_> ok 15:12:43 <dl9pf> ok, thanks for joining our meeting - next meeting is 15:13:13 <HeliosReds> dl9pf: Thanks for your good moderating. ;-) 15:13:14 <dl9pf> 17. 10. 2009 15:13:24 <dl9pf> same time, same place 15:13:32 <dl9pf> same theatre 15:13:47 <saigkill> Thanks for moderation 15:13:53 <dl9pf> #endmeeting