OpenSUSE Weekly News/Meetings/20090321

23 [15:29:55] dl9pf [n=dl9pf@opensuse/member/dl9pf] has changed topic to "Welcome to the Channel from the openSUSE Weekly News | TEAM MEETING ! Welcome everyone !" 25 [15:30:23] <@dl9pf> We'll start in a few seconds 25 [15:30:52] <@dl9pf> Schedule/Topics 25 [15:31:12] <@dl9pf> 1) old action items 25 [15:31:32] <@dl9pf> 2) feedback/questions 25 [15:32:05] <@dl9pf> @all: HELLO ;) 25 [15:32:10] <+HeliosReds> Hi! 24 [15:32:14] <@saigkill> hello back 25 [15:32:48] <@dl9pf> ok, 1st AI 25 [15:32:58] <@dl9pf> Jan: Guidelines about Logos (Zonker) 25 [15:33:37] <@dl9pf> Short status: Trademark Guidelines released, we should create/select/vote for one logo and submit for approval and see what happenz (TM) 25 [15:34:20] <@dl9pf> Already proposals: here http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo 25 [15:34:50] <@dl9pf> comments/suggestions on this ? 25 [15:35:18] <+HeliosReds> Shall we vote, or request some other drafts ? 25 [15:35:52] <alexandremrj> back 25 [15:35:54] <alexandremrj> hello 25 [15:35:58] <@dl9pf> hi 25 [15:36:03] <+HeliosReds> alexandremrj: hi. :-) 24 [15:36:21] <@saigkill> alexandremrj: Welcome beack 25 [15:36:32] <@dl9pf> lets start a thread on the mailinglist to get more ppl involved - also some new drafts are welcome 25 [15:36:53] <@dl9pf> but we should decide via vote on the mailinglist and get it running before the next team meeting 24 [15:36:58] <@saigkill> I think this is an good idea 20 [15:36:59] mg [n=mgrey@89.42.161.87] has joined #opensuse-newsletter 25 [15:37:18] <alexandremrj> i think we need more logos, not enough choice 25 [15:37:19] <+HeliosReds> dl9pf: +1 25 [15:37:30] <alexandremrj> dl9pf: +1 25 [15:37:55] <@dl9pf> ok, next item 25 [15:38:05] <@dl9pf> Jan: Counterpixel/Zonker 25 [15:38:26] <@dl9pf> We've no permanent solution for this 25 [15:38:43] <@dl9pf> I can do it temporarily on my own server and provide statistics 25 [15:39:01] <@dl9pf> http://frodo-auenland.dyndns.org/logs/ 25 [15:39:16] <@dl9pf> where i collected numbers for issue 62 (iirc) 25 [15:39:27] <@dl9pf> for en and ja 25 [15:39:51] <+HeliosReds> Is there any server of Novell, that can use for this purpose ? 25 [15:39:57] <@dl9pf> i can do this _on request_ for translated issues 25 [15:40:33] <@dl9pf> HeliosReds: I'm sure the've more than 1 machine in provo ;) - but the process to get this hosted will probably take ages 25 [15:40:59] <@dl9pf> actually its pretty easy, as we saw. 63 [15:41:10] judas_iscariote, Group "Voreinstellungen" is on IRC as (judas_iscariote [n=crrodrig@opensuse/member/elvigia]) 25 [15:41:19] <+HeliosReds> It worked well. :-) 25 [15:42:18] <@dl9pf> the only limiting factor here is my uplink - so for now, lets make it on your request 25 [15:43:14] <k0da> dl9pf, i can host it on suse.ru server. When i recover it from lost ip address. Server located at Novell Russia 25 [15:48:34] <@dl9pf> ok, its pretty easy, we did empty images, grepp'd for the image names in the apache logs and webalizer did the rest 25 [15:48:34] <@dl9pf> e.g. empty.ja.img 25 [15:48:34] <@dl9pf> or even empty.<lang>.<issue>.png 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> then you can simply grep for the image-names and pipe the log through webalizer 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> ok, lets sort that out 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> tnx, k0da 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> next item 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> Satoru: New icon for "Editors Note" section 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> we've some proposals 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> Satoru, you've the mic 25 [15:48:38] <+HeliosReds> Where can we see the proposals? 25 [15:48:38] <@dl9pf> http://en.opensuse.org/User_talk:HeliosReds#231 25 [15:48:38] <alexandremrj> http://en.opensuse.org/User_talk:HeliosReds#231 25 [15:48:38] <alexandremrj> sorry 25 [15:48:39] <+HeliosReds> Yse. In the list, there are some coments and IIRC, # 3 was popular. 25 [15:48:57] <+HeliosReds> No, #2 was popular. 25 [15:49:17] <@dl9pf> ok, so #2 got the votes 24 [15:49:55] <@saigkill> my vote goes to #2. I like it :-) 25 [15:51:55] <alexandremrj> I prefer #1, i think #2 is too much like the wiki logo 25 [15:51:55] <@dl9pf> #1 and #3 are already "used" in similar icons in the newsletter 25 [15:51:55] <@dl9pf> The majority was for #2, then let's take it. 25 [15:51:55] <+HeliosReds> Then next time when we have Editor's Note, use #2. 25 [15:51:55] <@dl9pf> yes 25 [15:51:55] <@dl9pf> objections ? 25 [15:51:55] <@dl9pf> ok, next topic 25 [15:52:01] <@dl9pf> Satoru: "Picking up articles from Novell site" 25 [15:52:21] <@dl9pf> hi mg ! 25 [15:52:30] <+HeliosReds> Ddi you see Zonkers reply for this ? 25 [15:52:53] <+HeliosReds> He said : No problem 25 [15:53:17] <alexandremrj> If you are linking, then you do not need permission to include a brief summary and link to the article on the Novell site. 25 [15:53:18] <@dl9pf> ok - then we can do summary + link 25 [15:53:44] <+HeliosReds> Right. 25 [15:54:02] <@dl9pf> one thing to mention - the article should be related to openSUSE in some way 25 [15:54:27] <+HeliosReds> I see. 25 [15:54:35] <alexandremrj> dl9pf, any examples? 25 [15:54:56] <@dl9pf> e.g. ther were openaudio issues covering opensuse or the buildservice 24 [15:55:03] <@saigkill> I think no Articles about SLES 25 [15:55:07] <@dl9pf> howtos that can be used on opensuse also 25 [15:56:18] <+HeliosReds> You can search the product "openSUSE" at http://www.novell.com/communities/coolsolutions/freezer 25 [15:58:14] <@dl9pf> i won't restrict it to that search term, but thats the direction 25 [15:58:57] <@dl9pf> Next item: 25 [15:59:10] <@dl9pf> Satoru: "Normal font style article and another layout example" 25 [15:59:16] <@dl9pf> http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/60#Announcements_-_current 25 [15:59:41] <@dl9pf> my personal opinion: i like draft #1 25 [15:59:57] <alexandremrj> #1 - easier to read 25 [15:59:59] <@dl9pf> draft #2 has too much boxes 25 [16:00:11] <+HeliosReds> There was a post to list, Italic is not readable. 25 [16:00:39] <+HeliosReds> So I made examples to compare. 25 [16:01:00] <@dl9pf> the thing with italic is: 25 [16:01:12] <@dl9pf> we should differ between own stuff and citations 25 [16:01:22] <@dl9pf> and all cited stuff is atm in italic 25 [16:02:22] <alexandremrj> it can also be in normal text and place- Quote: "... 25 [16:03:15] <+HeliosReds> As I mentioned in list before, we Japanese don't usually use italic. 25 [16:03:46] <+HeliosReds> But I myself don't mind if the body is in italic. 24 [16:04:19] <@saigkill> I think my Vote goes to #1. It is easy to change in the Template, and good to read 25 [16:04:36] <@dl9pf> ok, then lets do this: current version and #1 will be mailed and we'll decide for issue 65 or at least 66 (Template changes) 24 [16:05:04] <@saigkill> Yes. I think so too 25 [16:05:08] <+HeliosReds> That'll bew OK. 25 [16:05:15] <alexandremrj> yeah, ok 25 [16:05:29] <@dl9pf> Benders topic will be postponed a bit 25 [16:05:34] <@dl9pf> next topic: 25 [16:05:58] <@dl9pf> Sascha: Status for "other time for official meeting" - we already shifted time 24 [16:06:26] <@saigkill> Yes. We have changed our Meeting Time to 14:30 UTC. What is about frequency? 24 [16:06:46] <@saigkill> Is it goo so? Or should we change in 2 or 3 Weeks Rythm? 25 [16:07:13] <@dl9pf> iirc its now pretty late in japan and the brazil ppl (for which we shifted) are not here, btw 25 [16:07:25] <+HeliosReds> Not so much participators as I expected. :-( 25 [16:07:57] <@dl9pf> what about the frequency 25 [16:09:11] <+HeliosReds> It's not too late for me, though. 25 [16:09:18] <@dl9pf> its a consideration between free-time <-> frequency 25 [16:09:25] <alexandremrj> what time is it there HeliosReds ? 25 [16:09:38] <@dl9pf> more meeting -> more groupwork/formation of the team 25 [16:09:44] <+HeliosReds> 0:00 now ;-) 25 [16:09:45] <@dl9pf> contra free-time 25 [16:10:09] <@dl9pf> comments ? 24 [16:10:14] <@saigkill> The point of interest now is, what about next Meetings? Should be all 2 Weeks or 3 weeks? 25 [16:10:46] <+HeliosReds> I'd be for 2 weeks. 25 [16:11:15] <alexandremrj> I think if there is a shift in frequency and there are few people here now, then with 2 or 3 weeks you will have fewer people even 24 [16:12:02] <@saigkill> or more? 24 [16:12:33] <@saigkill> I think we can discuss this in the Mailinglist. There are the other Mates 25 [16:12:44] <+HeliosReds> Indeed. 25 [16:13:29] <@dl9pf> ok, last item: 25 [16:14:07] <@dl9pf> Sascha proposed to elect coordinators for each language-subteams 25 [16:14:23] <+ScriptRipper> could you please add the follow up ml reply for OBS Team meeting also to OBS Team meeting 25 [16:14:50] <+ScriptRipper> e.g. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2009-03/msg00107.html 25 [16:15:11] <+ScriptRipper> sorry to disturb you then... 25 [16:15:29] <@dl9pf> reasoning is that we want to expand and attract more translators, so the work can be shared 24 [16:17:55] <@saigkill> I've made an Sheet with our Languages: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translators 24 [16:18:13] <@saigkill> There can every add himself to the List. 24 [16:18:32] <@saigkill> And all Translators of each Language can elect one chairman 24 [16:18:59] <@saigkill> The chairman translate, and coordinate the Team 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> but thats needs also coordination 25 [16:19:45] <alexandremrj> there are so many people on each subteam that there is a need for coordinator? Only if you have 5 or more 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> that should a) make it easier for everyone and avoid bottlenecks 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> ok, then lets say it like this: we need an counterpart/contact person for each language 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> so we propose to fill in http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translators 25 [16:19:45] <alexandremrj> i think each subteam should decide and fill the page before the next meeting 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> thats fine 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> exactly 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> the who/when/how and so on is all your's ;) 25 [16:19:45] <alexandremrj> but instead of the first, second and third, just a contact for the "coordinator" 25 [16:19:45] <@dl9pf> ScriptRipper: acknowledged 25 [16:19:45] <+HeliosReds> What are the tasks of coordinators exactly? 25 [16:19:46] <@dl9pf> ScriptRipper: if it slips through, then beat us (remind us) 25 [16:21:02] <+ScriptRipper> i dont have to beat you, you do such a great work... i have to credit you :D 25 [16:21:17] <@dl9pf> e.g. keep translators up-to-date, keep an eye on the ready page, 25 [16:21:50] <alexandremrj> i discovered today the ready page 25 [16:22:07] <+HeliosReds> Coordinator and First can be same person ? 24 [16:22:11] <@saigkill> The fact is: I don't know how many People exactly in the Translation Process involved 25 [16:22:11] <@dl9pf> sure 25 [16:22:47] <@dl9pf> or don't call it 1st,2nd,3rd - call it "team" 24 [16:22:53] <@saigkill> But first, second, and third is not an range 25 [16:23:33] <alexandremrj> how many people on each team? anyone has an ideia? 25 [16:24:03] <@dl9pf> from 1 to 4 iirc ? 25 [16:24:08] <@dl9pf> atm 25 [16:24:14] <alexandremrj> pt_PT and pt_BR are now 3 25 [16:24:27] <@dl9pf> id is iirc 3-4 25 [16:25:07] <+HeliosReds> ja is 2 but may be 3 very soon. 25 [16:25:24] <@dl9pf> we'll have fluctuations and should expand the teams to have enough capacity 25 [16:25:36] <alexandremrj> because if there is growth that table is soon outdated, and less than that there is no need for coordinator 25 [16:25:51] <alexandremrj> I think only a contact for each team is best 25 [16:25:56] <@dl9pf> also its easier if more ppl contribute 25 [16:26:42] <@dl9pf> alexandremrj: somehow i need a list ((at least for christmas ;) )) 25 [16:26:55] <alexandremrj> lol 25 [16:28:05] <alexandremrj> at least the contact for coordinator is needed before the next meeting, right? 25 [16:28:24] <@dl9pf> yes, that would be great 25 [16:28:57] <@dl9pf> ok, that were all items in the list 25 [16:29:08] <@dl9pf> Feedback ? 25 [16:29:14] <@dl9pf> Questions ? 25 [16:29:23] <@dl9pf> Other topics still open ? 25 [16:29:29] <alexandremrj> the log of the meeting is sent to the mailing-list? 25 [16:29:48] <@dl9pf> yes, there will be a transcript and sascha will send minutes to the list 25 [16:29:59] <alexandremrj> ah, ok, thanks 24 [16:30:13] <@saigkill> The Log (Transcript) is present through our Portal (Meetings) 24 [16:30:24] <@saigkill> And the Minutes through Mail 25 [16:30:39] <@dl9pf> transscript should appear http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Meetings/20090321 25 [16:30:49] <@dl9pf> ok, further Questions 25 [16:31:20] <+HeliosReds> Did you see my post about missing swedish link? 25 [16:31:41] <@dl9pf> yes, added - we need to fix the template, too 25 [16:31:56] <alexandremrj> this was in the Meetings page 25 [16:31:56] <alexandremrj> Next Meeting 25 [16:31:56] <alexandremrj> * Saturday 2009-03-21, 12:00h UTC 25 [16:32:01] <@dl9pf> ok ,sascha did already 25 [16:32:16] <@dl9pf> alexandremrj: yes, we forgot to fix the date 25 [16:32:26] <@dl9pf> page was written before the timeshift 25 [16:32:56] <alexandremrj> it would be nice if there was a calendar (like google) for the meetings 25 [16:33:11] <alexandremrj> that way we could shift and people could still see it 25 [16:33:33] <@dl9pf> alexandremrj: news.opensuse.org has a calendar 25 [16:33:43] <@dl9pf> http://news.opensuse.org/?m=200903&cat=8 25 [16:33:58] <@dl9pf> http://news.opensuse.org/2009/02/21/opensuse-weekly-newsletter-team-meeting/ 24 [16:34:16] [PRIVMSG >>> ChanServ]: FLAGS #opensuse-newsletter k0da +v 85 [16:34:16] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: Flags +v were set on k0da in #opensuse-newsletter. 25 [16:34:23] <@dl9pf> and we sent out a reminder mail 25 [16:34:53] <alexandremrj> I saw the mail, didn't know about the page, thanks 24 [16:34:53] [PRIVMSG >>> ChanServ]: FLAGS #opensuse-newsletter k0da +V 85 [16:34:53] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: Flags +V were set on k0da in #opensuse-newsletter. 25 [16:35:09] <@dl9pf> ok, then we're done - thanks @all for joining our team meeting - mail will be sent to opensuse-marketing 24 [16:35:28] [PRIVMSG >>> ChanServ]: FLAGS #opensuse-newsletter alexandremrj +V 85 [16:35:28] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: Flags +V were set on alexandremrj in #opensuse-newsletter. 25 [16:35:35] <@dl9pf> the next meeting will be announced also on opensuse-marketing (either 2,3 or 4 weeks from now) 25 [16:35:59] <@dl9pf> and don't forget to have phun ! 25 [16:36:12] <+HeliosReds> dl9pf: You too! ;-) 24 [16:36:13] <@saigkill> Thanks for announcing that :-D 23 [16:36:13] dl9pf [n=dl9pf@opensuse/member/dl9pf] has changed topic to "Welcome to the Channel from the openSUSE Weekly News | http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/ | Any Questions you can post to: dl9pf@gmx.de or Sascha.Manns@directbox.com | Next official Meeting 21.3.09 14:30 UTC. Welcome to the Channel from the openSUSE Weekly News | http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/ | Any Questions you can post to: dl9pf@gmx.de or Sascha.Manns@directbox.com | Next official Meeting 21.3.09 14:30 UTC. |" 23 [16:37:00] dl9pf [n=dl9pf@opensuse/member/dl9pf] has changed topic to "Welcome to the Channel from the openSUSE Weekly News | http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/ | Any Questions you can post to: dl9pf@gmx.de or Sascha.Manns@directbox.com" 25 [16:37:22] <alexandremrj> about the ready page for 64? 25 [16:37:41] <@dl9pf> alexandremrj: yes ? 25 [16:38:12] <@dl9pf> sigh - sri, forgot to update 25 [16:38:16] <@dl9pf> will be there asap 25 [16:38:54] <alexandremrj> ok, bye for now, going to wash clothes, lol 25 [16:39:38] <+HeliosReds> @all Have a nice weekend! 24 [16:39:55] <@saigkill> You too Satoru....