OpenSUSE Weekly News/Meetings/20090110

[13:01:50] saigkill [n=saigkill@91-66-82-172-dynip.superkabel.de] hat das Thema geändert auf "Welcome to our Weekly News Team Meeting.#" [13:01:54] ScriptRipper [n=martin@85.233.34.53.dynamic.cablesurf.de] hat #opensuse-newsletter betreten [13:02:10] <@saigkill> Hello warm welcome [13:02:14] <rhorstkoetter1> Welcome to the Weekly Newsletter Team Meeting. Thanks for coming. [13:02:25] <rhorstkoetter1> Jan is unavailable today [13:02:40] <rhorstkoetter1> Thus I was asked to take over the moderation part [13:02:50] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. [13:02:51] <rhorstkoetter1> so, here we are. let's get started [13:03:09] <rhorstkoetter1> the agenda can be found here http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Meetings/Topics_current [13:03:24] <rhorstkoetter1> topic 1: light version [13:03:40] buschmann [n=buschman@opensuse/member/buschmann23] hat den IRC verlassen: NETSPLIT lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net [13:03:40] rhorstkoetter [n=rhorstko@unaffiliated/rhorstkoetter] hat den IRC verlassen: NETSPLIT lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net [13:03:40] GabrielFranco [n=gabriel@bhe201062234235.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] hat den IRC verlassen: NETSPLIT lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net [13:03:41] saigkill [n=saigkill@91-66-82-172-dynip.superkabel.de] hat den Modus +o rhorstkoetter1 gesetzt [13:03:58] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: your topic [13:04:02] rhorstkoetter [n=rhorstko@unaffiliated/rhorstkoetter] hat #opensuse-newsletter betreten [13:04:02] buschmann [n=buschman@opensuse/member/buschmann23] hat #opensuse-newsletter betreten [13:04:02] GabrielFranco [n=gabriel@bhe201062234235.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] hat #opensuse-newsletter betreten [13:04:02] dl9pf [n=dl9pf@opensuse/member/dl9pf] hat #opensuse-newsletter betreten [13:04:02] irc.freenode.net [*@*] hat den Modus +o rhorstkoetter gesetzt [13:04:21] <HeliosReds> Do we need template for the Light version? [13:05:05] <HeliosReds> or depend on each translator? [13:05:13] <@rhorstkoetter1> If we wanna introduce it, I'd say yes [13:05:22] <@saigkill> I think we need an template [13:05:25] <@rhorstkoetter1> we could simply take over the hungarian one [13:05:35] <@saigkill> Yes i am agree [13:06:37] <@rhorstkoetter1> question is, how we do decide if we release the light or full version? [13:06:51] <@rhorstkoetter1> depends on translator eh? [13:08:05] <buschmann> Yes, as I unstand it, it is a chance to publish an issue within less time. [13:08:15] <HeliosReds> rhorstkoetter1: I think so. [13:08:15] <buschmann> understand [13:08:24] <GabrielFranco> I think that would depend on the time the translator has to use on translation... if he thinks he won't have time to do a full translation he can opt to the light version [13:08:32] <@rhorstkoetter1> buschmann: that's my understanding as well [13:08:48] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: +1 [13:08:53] Beineri, Group "Voreinstellungen" has left IRC as (Beineri [n=Beineri@pD9E21246.dip0.t-ipconnect.de])(Registrierungsmaske geändert oder irgend jemand anderes benutzt den Spitznamen jetzt) [13:09:07] <@rhorstkoetter1> so, who wants to be responsible for the light version [13:09:08] <@rhorstkoetter1> ? [13:09:17] <@rhorstkoetter1> the template I mean [13:09:39] <@rhorstkoetter1> any volunteers? �:-D [13:09:56] <GabrielFranco> I think most of the work is already done with the hungarian version. [13:10:14] <buschmann> What is the difference between light and full version? Only not translating the whole entries? [13:10:26] <@rhorstkoetter1> indeed, then we just need to grab it there. assumed the hungarian translator don't mind it [13:10:44] <@rhorstkoetter1> buschmann: that's it. translating the headlines only [13:10:53] <@saigkill> I think if an translator has not enough time, he can make the light version. This is better than an blanco page. [13:10:53] <GabrielFranco> As far as I can see, yes the difference is only that. [13:11:05] <@rhorstkoetter1> makes sense from my perspective, assumed the translator has not enough time to do so [13:11:06] <GabrielFranco> saigkill +1 [13:11:34] <@saigkill> I make this importing pemplate [13:11:54] <@rhorstkoetter1> saigkill: great thanks [13:12:06] <@rhorstkoetter1> so, overall agreement from the team? [13:12:09] <HeliosReds> saigkill: thanks [13:12:19] <buschmann> Yes, I agree. [13:12:28] <HeliosReds> I agree. [13:12:34] <slowhand> agree [13:12:36] <GabrielFranco> +1 [13:12:49] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, then next topic: To make newsletter more visual-rich [13:13:10] <@rhorstkoetter1> from my perspective that's a good idea [13:13:23] <@rhorstkoetter1> I like especially the style with the icons [13:13:29] <@rhorstkoetter1> opinions? [13:14:02] <HeliosReds> I like it, too. [13:14:21] <@saigkill> My favorite is No.4 [13:14:27] <GabrielFranco> It is a good improvement to the newsletter. [13:14:38] <@rhorstkoetter1> it's a neat way to seperate the sections imho [13:14:51] <buschmann> Are ther concepts? [13:15:20] <@rhorstkoetter1> buschmann: concepts in what regard? [13:15:29] <buschmann> Mockups [13:15:38] <@rhorstkoetter1> nothing is done so far afaik [13:15:53] <@rhorstkoetter1> I have to admit, I'm not that much of a designer [13:16:04] <buschmann> Ah, ok, but then, saigkill, what do you mean with No. 4? [13:16:09] <@rhorstkoetter1> do we have some talented folks in that area? [13:16:22] <@rhorstkoetter1> buschmann: saigkill messed up the topics [13:16:33] <HeliosReds> I also want a logo for the newsletter. [13:17:48] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: do you want that newspaper currently used at news.o.o at the newsletter as well? [13:18:32] <HeliosReds> I feel lonesome after the countdown banner is gone �:-( [13:19:01] <buschmann> I like the newsletter icon, but it could be adoptet more to the OWN. [13:19:15] rhorstkoetter [n=rhorstko@unaffiliated/rhorstkoetter] hat den IRC verlassen: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19:25] <GabrielFranco> a geeko with a press hat would be nice [13:19:37] <@saigkill> What du you Yes good idea [13:19:45] <buschmann> Like a paper boy? [13:20:33] <GabrielFranco> more like a reporter. [13:21:10] <@rhorstkoetter1> hm, is that much of an improvement to the curent one? [13:21:31] <GabrielFranco> like this: http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/WindowsLiveWriter/PatentlyOTidBits_12979/PressHat3_2.png [13:21:50] <@rhorstkoetter1> I guess we'd need a draft design to decide what actually looks better [13:22:31] <@rhorstkoetter1> is someone in here experienced in designing and could come up with a draft version? [13:22:55] <@saigkill> We can combine the geeko with the press hat [13:23:11] <GabrielFranco> saigkill: that was what I had in mind [13:23:39] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: don't you think that the presented hat does look a bit too basic? [13:23:48] <HeliosReds> saigkill: It sounds good �:-) [13:23:49] <@rhorstkoetter1> needs some polishing I'd say [13:24:05] <GabrielFranco> I think basic is good �:) [13:24:14] <@rhorstkoetter1> IC [13:24:25] <GabrielFranco> we need to keep the opensuse indentity which is the geeko �:) [13:24:33] <GabrielFranco> the press hat is just a detail [13:24:36] <@saigkill> Who can make a draft? My Art of drawing is not god... [13:24:51] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, what about taking this into consideration along with the redesign (with icons and stuff - according to the hungarian template)? [13:25:16] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranko: oS identity +1 [13:25:29] <GabrielFranco> I'm not a designer myself, but I can give it a try this afternoon [13:25:37] <GabrielFranco> for the logo I mean [13:25:48] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: thanks for taking care [13:26:08] <HeliosReds> I'll also give it a try. [13:26:20] <@rhorstkoetter1> and the overall redesign? any volunteers that want to take over responsibility? [13:26:38] <@rhorstkoetter1> or at least give it a try? [13:26:40] <GabrielFranco> I think saigkill said whe would prepare the template. [13:26:52] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: the light one [13:27:07] <@rhorstkoetter1> now we're talking about the full version [13:27:27] <GabrielFranco> IMHO we can use the same template for both... [13:27:37] <@rhorstkoetter1> what about coming in touch with that hungarian guy again. maybe he's willing to help [13:27:55] <GabrielFranco> the only difference is the summary of the news anyway [13:29:15] <@saigkill> Ok. i would like to import the Template for the full Version. I have at the momend nothing to do �;-) [13:29:27] <@rhorstkoetter1> saigkill: great [13:29:38] <@rhorstkoetter1> any other suggestions regarding topic 2? [13:30:00] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, then topic 3: New READY-Table [13:30:26] <@rhorstkoetter1> I had a look on these and I'd opt for no.4 for the following reason [13:30:54] <@rhorstkoetter1> I had a call with an yesterday and we both think we should keep it simple and effective [13:31:14] <GabrielFranco> +1 for #4 [13:31:21] <@rhorstkoetter1> no.2 is more or less no.4, whereas no.4 is better readable from my perspective [13:31:35] <@saigkill> Im agreeing No.4 [13:31:55] <@rhorstkoetter1> the colored ones are certainly prettier but the question is: are they actually more useable? [13:32:15] <@rhorstkoetter1> I'd say editing could be more difficult [13:32:25] <@rhorstkoetter1> any concerns from anyone with no.4? [13:32:30] <HeliosReds> But No.4 is not easy to edit for me. [13:32:45] <@rhorstkoetter1> HliosReds: reason? [13:33:01] <@saigkill> HeliosReds: Why [13:33:15] <HeliosReds> Because I can't find where to fill the status easily. [13:34:07] <HeliosReds> At least I need number for each row. [13:34:53] <@rhorstkoetter1> wait I change to the edit page to see what you'retalking about [13:35:12] <buschmann> My favorite is No. 4. It is good readable and relatively easy to use. [13:35:43] <@saigkill> HeliosReds: I don't understand you. If you go to the edit, you only type d or an other, and go to close... [13:36:23] <HeliosReds> Depends on the screen size. [13:36:34] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: I'm sorry but I don't get your concern with the number currently. could you explain better please [13:36:57] <@rhorstkoetter1> for me it just navigating to the appropriate row and eneter the status?? [13:38:03] <HeliosReds> My working environment is 1024x768, and in that screen, I can't find the right column to fill easily. �:-( [13:38:39] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: I'm currently working with 1024x768 as well�:) [13:39:30] <GabrielFranco> HeliosReds: If you use Firefox or Konqueror you can resize the font to make it fit. [13:40:43] <HeliosReds> OK. If no one othee than me feel difficulty. �:-) [13:41:29] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: that's an open-minded discussion. I just try to find the most usable one [13:42:07] <@rhorstkoetter1> imho, it's way more difficult to insert image tag instead of typing d, F and so on [13:42:22] <HeliosReds> If we will reach the better idea in the future, then we can change it. �:-) [13:43:01] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: +1 [13:43:01] <HeliosReds> And what about the status? [13:43:06] <slowhand> I just try it one by one, I choose No. 4 also. It is easy [13:43:51] <@rhorstkoetter1> the status is in sync with no.2 [13:44:02] <GabrielFranco> HelioReds: +1 - That is definately something we will find out if it is easy or not while we are using. [13:44:11] <@rhorstkoetter1> we ust need to add the legend accordingly... that's currently missing [13:44:40] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, let's vote �:) [13:44:46] <@rhorstkoetter1> who is for no.4? [13:44:49] <@rhorstkoetter1> +1 [13:44:52] <slowhand> +1 [13:44:53] <@saigkill> From my side, i think No. 4 is the easyest. [13:44:54] <GabrielFranco> +1 [13:44:55] <@saigkill> +1 [13:44:57] <buschmann> +1 for no. 4 [13:45:10] <HeliosReds> OK No.4 [13:45:16] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, this is obvious �:) [13:45:32] <@rhorstkoetter1> we can chnage it later on if it turns out to be too difficult [13:46:07] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, any other comments/topics/questions/suggestions? [13:46:29] <HeliosReds> None meens "Not yet" or "No article in this issue"? [13:46:39] <HeliosReds> ? [13:47:10] <@rhorstkoetter1> good question [13:47:26] <@rhorstkoetter1> who designed no.2 respectively no.4? [13:48:07] <GabrielFranco> None means nothing done yet. [13:48:30] <@saigkill> What are you meaning? [13:48:35] <GabrielFranco> Just like on the old status table... when it was blank it meant that no one created the page or translated. [13:49:07] <GabrielFranco> whe the page was created the status was DRAFT. [13:49:09] <HeliosReds> So, don't we need another flag for "No article in this issue"? [13:49:16] <GabrielFranco> not really [13:49:26] <GabrielFranco> If there's no article just put DONE [13:49:31] <GabrielFranco> no work is necessary [13:49:33] <GabrielFranco> �:) [13:49:47] <@rhorstkoetter1> HeliosReds: I#d say if there's no article noone can translate it anyway... the result is the same [13:50:10] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: +1 [13:50:28] <HeliosReds> OK I understand. [13:50:54] <@rhorstkoetter1> ok, anything else? anyone? [13:51:25] <GabrielFranco> on last meeting I suggest the creation of a tracking pixel for the news. [13:51:38] <GabrielFranco> so we could keep track of hte number of visits and readers on the news. [13:52:02] <GabrielFranco> Was something on that direction done/discussed? [13:52:32] <buschmann> I must go, I must carry my sister to the train station. Good Bye and a good sunday. �:) [13:52:52] <GabrielFranco> see ya buschmann, nice weekend for you too. [13:52:54] <HeliosReds> See you bushmann [13:53:09] buschmann [n=buschman@opensuse/member/buschmann23] hat den IRC verlassen: Remote closed the connection [13:53:13] <@rhorstkoetter1> buschmann: have a nice day, thanks for attending [13:53:21] <@rhorstkoetter1> oh, too late �:) [13:53:27] <@rhorstkoetter1> counter pixel [13:53:50] <@rhorstkoetter1> to be honest I do not really understand what it is actually [13:54:01] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: could you explain please? [13:54:07] <GabrielFranco> For sure. [13:54:47] <GabrielFranco> Last meeting I asked Jan about some newsletter statistics so we could tell how well we were doing the news. If we were attracting a good amount of readers or not. [13:55:20] <@rhorstkoetter1> IC, good idea actually imho. what needs to be done here? [13:55:27] <GabrielFranco> A way to do this is to insert at the end of the page a image that is 1px by 1px by size (so it doesn't interfere with the layout) and we count how many times that images was loaded [13:55:27] <@rhorstkoetter1> and how can do this? [13:55:50] <@rhorstkoetter1> aligned +1 [13:56:00] <@rhorstkoetter1> Jan needs to do this? [13:56:12] <GabrielFranco> I think he was going to see what could be done. [13:56:42] <GabrielFranco> maybe we can discuss this on the next meeting? [13:56:46] <@rhorstkoetter1> I got an email forwarded yesterday covering that issue. [13:56:53] <slowhand> IIRC he will ask the openSUSE wiki admin also [13:56:59] <@rhorstkoetter1> seems like there's something in the oven already [13:57:05] <GabrielFranco> nice [13:57:10] <GabrielFranco> =) [13:57:11] <@rhorstkoetter1> that's that email I got [13:57:39] <@saigkill> Yes. Jan has become an Email from Zonker. He writes, that [13:57:52] <@rhorstkoetter1> let's postpone this to @opensuse-marketing and/or next meeting. Jan is the appropriate person to talk about the progress we made I'd say [13:58:02] <@saigkill> o track something like the openSUSE Weekly News [13:58:04] <@saigkill> pages. [13:58:11] <@saigkill> no [13:58:39] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: fine with postponing it? [13:58:46] <GabrielFranco> no problem. [13:58:57] <@saigkill> Zonker try to see what he can do, too �:-) [13:59:05] <@rhorstkoetter1> I cannot provide further informations currently - I'm sorry [13:59:13] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: OK [13:59:19] <@rhorstkoetter1> anything else? [13:59:24] <GabrielFranco> and about adding the build service statistics to the newsletter? [13:59:39] <GabrielFranco> last time we tried the statistics page gave us an error. [14:00:21] <@rhorstkoetter1> forward this to Jan please [14:00:30] <GabrielFranco> ok [14:00:41] <GabrielFranco> well that's all for me. [14:00:46] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK [14:00:51] <@rhorstkoetter1> anyone else? [14:01:38] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, so I hand over to saigkill cause of the Ready Page, en.txt, gobby and stuff [14:02:15] <@saigkill> Thanks Rupert for your good job �:-) [14:02:25] <@saigkill> No we can go to gobby [14:02:31] <HeliosReds> OK, see you all at the gobby session. [14:02:39] <@saigkill> Anyone needs PW or server [14:02:57] <slowhand> I'm in [14:03:02] <@rhorstkoetter1> OK, thanks to all participants [14:03:18] <@rhorstkoetter1> see you next saturday at the usual time [14:03:26] <@rhorstkoetter1> a nice week to all of you [14:03:48] <GabrielFranco> see ya rhorstkoetter1 nice weekend to you too [14:04:01] <@rhorstkoetter1> GabrielFranco: thanks a lot [14:04:16] <@saigkill> The Log of these Meeting i collect, and write this in our /Meetings Part [14:05:18] <slowhand> see you all, have a nice weekend �:) [14:05:20] <GabrielFranco> see you all @gobby. For those who won't join there, have a nice weekend and thanks for joining in! [14:05:42] <@rhorstkoetter1> the last one applies the the forums guy I guess [14:05:47] <@rhorstkoetter1> �:) [14:06:21] <@saigkill> After the gobby session i send you the en.txt for your translators application [14:06:32] rhorstkoetter1 [n=rhorstko@drms-4d006007.pool.mediaWays.net] hat #opensuse-newsletter verlassen [14:07:27] GabrielFranco [n=gabriel@bhe201062234235.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] hat den IRC verlassen: Remote closed the connection