OpenSUSE Weekly News/Meetings/20090103

[12:59:57] dl9pf [n=dl9pf@opensuse/member/dl9pf] hat das Thema geändert auf "Welcome to openSUSE Weekly Newsletter team meeting !" [13:00:06] <@dl9pf> Ok, lets go ;) [13:00:12] <BenderBRodriguez> lets go:) [13:00:35] <@dl9pf> Welcome everyone to our meeting! Nice to have you around. [13:00:50] <@dl9pf> I already posted the topics, so lets start [13:01:02] <@dl9pf> 1) Status messages [13:01:33] <@dl9pf> The status messages are really helpful for the release-planning. [13:01:40] <@dl9pf> ("ready page") [13:02:18] <@dl9pf> If all could also post a short note there if they can't do an issue (or more issues), this would be funtastic. [13:02:32] rhorstkoetter_ is back. sorry for being late [13:02:42] <BenderBRodriguez> i agree :) [13:02:43] <@dl9pf> It really worked well with the ready page imho. [13:03:14] <@dl9pf> questions/suggestions ? [13:03:45] <@dl9pf> ok, topic 2) longer/new schedule [13:03:49] <BenderBRodriguez> i was thinking to put some info what's not ready instead of using % [13:04:19] <@dl9pf> good point, hmm - but it would make the table big, or ? [13:04:39] <@dl9pf> hmm we could experiment with some table and "X" [13:04:54] <rhorstkoetter_> +1 [13:05:03] <BenderBRodriguez> well yeah but seeing what is ready and won't probably change we would have "our" drafts almost at the same level as the main english newsletter [13:05:37] <@dl9pf> ok, noted AI (dl9pf) : -> ready table [13:06:01] <BenderBRodriguez> maybe let's write like that "TO DO: 3.1-4 , 4.2-7 " :) [13:06:39] <@dl9pf> BenderBRodriguez: i'll try and propose some possibilities [13:06:48] <BenderBRodriguez> ok ok:) [13:06:55] <BenderBRodriguez> then lets go to next topic:)? [13:07:07] <@dl9pf> What about the longer timeframe ? [13:07:51] <@dl9pf> i think its better for us (although my other thought was -> release as early as possible) [13:07:55] <BenderBRodriguez> we would have to change the name to oldsletter :) [13:08:31] <gabriel_> It helped getting the tranlslation done, but getting the newletter later wasn't good... most of the news were too old already [13:08:38] <BenderBRodriguez> we need to find a golden middle in such situation:) [13:09:03] <@dl9pf> ok, this time its my fault, i waited for a possibly chinese translation and posted un thursday night - this was too late [13:09:04] <slowhand> agree with gabriel_ :) [13:09:28] <@dl9pf> release should be thursday morning - not later [13:09:36] <@dl9pf> s/thursday/tuesday [13:09:40] <BenderBRodriguez> i had to change part of 52nd issue whre it was saying 2008 is coming to an end :) [13:09:42] dl9pf need to fech coffee) [13:09:55] <gabriel_> maybe we could start the translation together with the creation of the newsletter. [13:10:03] <BenderBRodriguez> i agree [13:10:06] <gabriel_> right now I see that the 53 issue is 80% complete [13:10:19] <gabriel_> I think that the translation should have started for it. [13:10:29] <BenderBRodriguez> i propose having more than one as not everyone could have time on a fixed date? [13:10:37] <@dl9pf> we need to collect posts and some things change - would you really like to move things around again ? [13:10:58] <gabriel_> IMHO don't really care about redoing some stuff. [13:11:05] <BenderBRodriguez> hmmm [13:11:07] <gabriel_> as long as we deliver a newsletter with good news [13:11:14] <gabriel_> and useful [13:11:25] <BenderBRodriguez> i say don't change anything just add most relevant info:) [13:12:16] <@dl9pf> but you have to sort and evaluate the messages we collected over the week - we need the time to make the polishing [13:12:42] <BenderBRodriguez> i agree completely:) [13:13:27] <gabriel_> maybe like BenderBRodriguez suggested we could have another meeting so we could discuss what's ready and what's not... [13:13:48] <gabriel_> one for a work in progress and this one for putting everything together [13:14:05] <BenderBRodriguez> that would be good [13:14:06] <@dl9pf> hmm [13:14:55] <@dl9pf> i think with a deadline for the english newsletter we are better [13:15:13] <@dl9pf> i can't say on wednesday if a message stays in or not [13:15:28] <@dl9pf> depends on the other messages [13:16:07] <gabriel_> and if we do deadlines for sections [13:16:09] <gabriel_> ? [13:16:52] <gabriel_> Like tips and tricks we can finish earlier... if we don't post something on a issue we can always post on the next one [13:17:03] <BenderBRodriguez> +1 [13:17:19] <@dl9pf> gabriel_: yes and no - some messages move the section [13:17:42] <@dl9pf> ok, thats a dependent of the proposals for the ready table, right ? [13:17:44] <rhorstkoetter_> as long as te deadline for the forums is not too strict :) [13:18:18] <gabriel_> I think that statistics and forums should be later for these things change a lot over time [13:18:38] <BenderBRodriguez> i say think twice about putting something to the newsletter and after that don't change it and allow us to translate it so that even if You add something to thee newsletter we could add the already translated part to it [13:18:45] <rhorstkoetter_> gabriel_: that's what I'm talking about [13:19:07] <@dl9pf> if its marked there, it can be translated - but the newsletter as a whole thing needs a deadline [13:19:45] <@dl9pf> ok, i'd propose: lets do it step by step - first a new ready table, then see what we can speed up, ok ? [13:19:59] <BenderBRodriguez> yes [13:20:02] <gabriel_> dl9pf: agreed. Using the ready table with the sections on it and with a fixed dealine for the newsletter would help [13:20:03] <rhorstkoetter_> +1 [13:20:09] <slowhand> +1 [13:20:13] <BenderBRodriguez> +1 [13:20:16] <gabriel_> +1 [13:20:23] <HeliosReds> +1 [13:20:29] <@dl9pf> 3) Dashboard [13:20:38] <rhorstkoetter_> :-D sounds like full agreement [13:20:47] <@dl9pf> http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Dashboard [13:21:15] <@dl9pf> For notes links (also for future issues) like good tips and tricks or other stuff [13:21:24] <rhorstkoetter_> could I use tis along with the (potential) forums contributors as well? [13:21:28] <@dl9pf> we created a dashboard [13:21:29] <@dl9pf> yes [13:21:34] <rhorstkoetter_> OK [13:21:54] <@dl9pf> better one place so we won't miss something if there were 2 [13:22:03] <rhorstkoetter_> agreed [13:22:31] <@dl9pf> see it as notepad [13:22:34] <slowhand> so we put here anything here we think interested? [13:22:36] <BenderBRodriguez> is it for "us" or for everyone:)?? [13:22:52] <@dl9pf> everyone, but for "us" in particular [13:22:53] <slowhand> yes for everyone? [13:23:07] <BenderBRodriguez> don't we already have tip&tricks on forum? [13:23:31] <rhorstkoetter_> Bender: I don't understand the question [13:23:32] <BenderBRodriguez> oh sorry:) [13:23:40] <BenderBRodriguez> it's FAQ, nevermind me :) [13:23:45] <rhorstkoetter_> np [13:23:59] <@dl9pf> ok, next 4) Gobby [13:24:12] <@dl9pf> i'll host the server until further notice [13:24:37] <@dl9pf> just the port might change - but i'll drop you a note on that [13:24:39] <slowhand> thanks :) [13:24:52] <@dl9pf> anyone needing the login ? [13:25:01] rhorstkoetter_ [n=rhorstko@drms-4d00689f.pool.mediaWays.net] heißt nun rhorstkoetter [13:25:16] <@dl9pf> we'll try to get it hosted, but this needs time [13:25:24] <BenderBRodriguez> are we allowed to make changes when no one's there:)?? [13:25:39] <@dl9pf> yes, it gets stored on the server [13:25:47] <BenderBRodriguez> if yes then maybe some notification on opensuse-marketing would be necessary [13:25:54] <@dl9pf> no problem you can do the changes whenever you want [13:25:55] <BenderBRodriguez> what has been changed [13:26:11] <rhorstkoetter> dl9pf: would you like to host it somewhere else? [13:26:19] <@dl9pf> i won't send the data to a public list [13:26:25] <@dl9pf> i'll send you pm's [13:27:13] <@dl9pf> regarding the english newsletter: [13:27:35] <@dl9pf> we will collect the articles for the next newsletter in the wiki (history) [13:27:59] <@dl9pf> on saturdays, we'll copy over to gobby and do the polishing there [13:28:34] <@dl9pf> ok, last 5) Questions/Suggestions/XYZ ??? [13:28:52] <BenderBRodriguez> other than changed "ready" notifications none:) [13:29:15] <gabriel_> Do we have the number of access to each newsletter? [13:29:29] <rhorstkoetter> yeah :) whenever you come across someone who wants to contribute to the forums section, please give him/her my mail adress [13:29:32] <@dl9pf> hmm - mediawiki has bad statistics [13:29:39] <@dl9pf> at least on the wiki-pages [13:30:35] <@dl9pf> http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Popularpages [13:30:45] <gabriel_> It would be good to have some number to work with, to see if we are doing a good job with the news... or even start a survey to see what we should improve or what people are looking for in the newsletter [13:30:48] <@dl9pf> but we don't get so much hits, as e.g. the startpage [13:30:59] <@dl9pf> good point [13:31:15] <@dl9pf> should i try to get more stats if possible ? [13:31:24] <gabriel_> I think it would be good [13:31:25] <BenderBRodriguez> gabriel +1 [13:31:49] <gabriel_> maybe we can use some analytics.. like google or webtrends [13:31:49] <@dl9pf> ok, AI (dl9pf): try to get stats for the newsletter pages [13:32:18] <@dl9pf> ok, a "pixel" could be done [13:32:55] <gabriel_> nice [13:33:11] <@dl9pf> if there're no stats in the wiki, we could try that, indeed [13:33:23] <@dl9pf> it would really help us - good suggestion, thanks! [13:33:46] <@dl9pf> great [13:33:59] <gabriel_> :) [13:34:34] <@dl9pf> then thanks for joining the meeting, if you like we can move now to gobby and finish the english newsletter [13:34:52] <BenderBRodriguez> yes we can +1 :) [13:34:58] <gabriel_> let's go [13:35:01] <slowhand> ok [13:35:11] <@dl9pf> i'll post the log of this meeting to the wiki pages