--- Log opened Wed Aug 29 17:59:19 2007 18:00 @<henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting! 18:00 @<henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 18:00 @<henne> The topics for this meeting are: 18:00 @<henne> 1. Meeting Modus 18:00 @<henne> 2. Status Action Items 18:00 @<henne> 3. Status Distribution 18:00 @<henne> 4. Status Communication/Events 18:00 @<henne> 5. Status Buildservice 18:00 @<henne> 5. Questions & Answers wiki/channel

Meeting Modus

18:01 @<henne> lets go. First topic Meeting Modus 18:01 @<henne> we want to change the approach for the status part of this meeting. 18:01 @<henne> as you might have seen the status will be sent weekly by the topic "leaders" to their mailinglist so everybody
from the groups knows whats going on 18:02 @<henne> in this meeting we will then only talk about open topics and questions that might arise from the status mails 18:02 @<henne> this is meant to make this meeting a little bit more about discussions and less about pasting ;) 18:02 @<henne> i personaly also hope that it will shorten it 8) 18:02 @<henne> and leave more room for unexpected issues and action item tracking 18:03 @<henne> is everybody okay with that? 18:03 <apokryphos> great idea 18:03 <cthiel> +1 18:03 * Beineri didn't read anything about the build service :-)... 18:04 <benJIman> +1, IRC is more suited to interactive discussion than status reports. 18:04 @<henne> yes. this didnt work out yet but this is something we can fix :) 18:04 <Azerion> +1 18:04 @<henne> okay cool. then i would also like to propose to rename this from status meeting to just opensuse meeting 18:05 <Azerion> Ehm, maybe thats to general. People might think it's a fun thing? 18:05 <Beineri> we still can chat/ask about status of something... 18:05 @<henne> isnt it? :) 18:05 <Azerion> henne: If you are there :P 18:06 @<henne> i thought this would make it more "open" to other topics then status reports 18:06 <Azerion> opensuse development meeting? 18:06 <cb400f> maybe 'project meeting' 18:06 <adrianS> opensuse project meeting 18:06 @<henne> opensuse project meeting? 18:06 @<henne> haha 18:06 <adrianS> it is not limited to development 18:06 <Azerion> True 18:07 <Azerion> Okey, hand up for opensuse project meeting? 18:07 <Azerion> +1 18:07 <Azerion> (srry henne) 18:07 <notlocalhorst> +1 18:07 @<henne> everyone okay with "opensuse project meeting"? 18:07 <cthiel> +1 18:07 <mufg> +1 18:07 <apokryphos> seems good, +1 18:07 <cyberorg> +1 18:07 <benJIman> +1 18:07 @<henne> oki doki 18:08 @<henne> leaves one thing 18:08 <cyberorg> henne, though we would have an agenda before we start right? 18:08 @<henne> cyberorg: definitely 18:08 <cyberorg> cool :) 18:09 @<henne> im not so sure if we can handle the action item status like the other topics 18:09 @<henne> i personaly would like to have the tracking of the at the beginning of this meeting 18:09 @<henne> instead of the mail from cboltz 18:10 @<henne> i think this creates a little bit more pressure to actually do these :) 18:10 @<henne> opinions? 18:10 <notlocalhorst> the mail is a good summary 18:10 @<henne> true 18:10 <bgerber> I agree it gives more accountability 18:11 <Azerion> No opinion, missed the mail 18:11 @<henne> so anyone strongly against this? notlocalhorst? 18:11 @<henne> or do you just want the mail anyway? 18:12 <apokryphos> no harm in having the mail too, I think 18:12 <notlocalhorst> i'm not saying how we whould do it, just that the mail is good 18:12 @<henne> okay 18:12 @<henne> i will ask cboltz what he thinks (as hes the one driving the AIs mostly) 18:13 @<henne> AI henne: talk to cbolts about AI handling in the project meeting 18:13 @<henne> so do we want to do the AIs now or not? :) 18:14 @<henne> in this meeting i mean 18:14 <adrianS> I vote for it 18:14 <adrianS> otherwise too much gets lost 18:14 <adrianS> and we will never find out that some Ais might never happen 18:14 <adrianS> for unknown reason 18:15 @<henne> adrianS: i mean right _now_ :) 18:15 <adrianS> or we get at least a timeframe or current problems 18:15 <Azerion> +1 18:15 <adrianS> oh, sorry ;) 18:15 @<henne> lets do them 18:15 <Azerion> Otherwise they are rushed I guess 18:15 @<Beineri> AI adrianS: post build service update for last two weeks :-) 18:15 <adrianS> nothing happend 18:15 <adrianS> done

Status Action Items

• SDB style guide / differences SDB, HOWTO

18:15 @<henne> okay next topic then: Status Action Items 18:15 @<henne> SDB style guide / differences SDB, HOWTO 18:15 @<henne> notlocalhorst? 18:16 @<henne> this one actually was never touched at all 18:16 <notlocalhorst> i will post it _now_ to project 18:16 @<henne> (you find the AIs with http://tinyurl.com/2zgf3w) 18:16 @<henne> notlocalhorst: the howto?

• build service trust/rating system

18:17 @<henne> adrianS: any news on the build service trust/rating system? 18:17 <notlocalhorst> the diff between the namespaces 18:17 <adrianS> henne: no time for that 18:17 <benJIman> Isn't it waiting for darix's user portal? 18:17 <adrianS> yes, it can be used as a base, but it is way more 18:18 <benJIman> Indeed. 18:18 <adrianS> all what I can say is that we work on a roadmap the next weeks 18:18 @<henne> the roadmap for what? 18:18 <adrianS> which will get published, but we had lots of vacations and SLES jobs to do 18:18 <adrianS> for the build service 18:19 @<henne> does that include things like trust/rating and factory submissions? 18:19 <adrianS> yes 18:19 <adrianS> they will be listed, I mean 18:19 @<henne> adrianS: cool. please put that info to that AI then :) 18:19 @<henne> where is michl? 18:19 <adrianS> henne: your url does not work for me 18:19 <adrianS> it is Michael 18:20 @<henne> uch 18:20 <Michael> :-)

• merchandising / shop

18:20 @<henne> Michael: anything else regarding the shop? 18:20 @<henne> merchandise 18:20 <Michael> we have approval from corporate marketing 18:20 @<henne> its blocked by roberts vacation right? 18:21 <Michael> next step is to set the shop up 18:21 <Michael> yes, Robert is on vacation 18:21 @<henne> who will decide what we sell there? :) 18:21 <Michael> the community, of course 18:21 <notlocalhorst> post it on project to find out 18:22 @<henne> Michael: okay cool. will you start that thread? 18:22 <Michael> I suggest to start with the already existing openSUSE t-shirt and hat 18:22 <Michael> and perhaps 1 or 2 items more 18:22 <Michael> yes, will do on project 18:22 <notlocalhorst> it will not hurt us to do more or? 18:22 @<henne> AI michl: start discussion on -project about which merchandise to sell 18:23 @<Beineri> Michael: mhm, "already existing" - I thought we can only sell there what the shop produces itself.
So t-shirt and hats would differ from what we have now? 18:23 <Michael> I don't think that a black t-shirt varies much from a black t-shirt 18:23 <notlocalhorst> yes, it would have no "sponsored by Novell" on the back 18:23 @<henne> they are not re-selling the ones you already war true... :P 18:23 <Michael> most important that the logos etc. is used correctly 18:24 @<henne> wear* 18:24 @<henne> okay cool. lets discuss this on -project

• misc

18:24 @<henne> okay the next to AIs (installation/usage videos/fate) are still blocked 18:24 <notlocalhorst> i have to correct myself about the sdb/howto stuff ... it's lost, will post it not today ...
but until friday

• bugreporting links in build service

18:25 @<henne> adrianS: anything new regarding the connection between BS and BZ? 18:26 <_fm_> BZ? 18:26 <adrianS> henne: no updates, still we need to store the emails (we do get them now) 18:26 @<henne> _fm_: bugzilla 18:26 <adrianS> afterwards we can add links to bugzilla (BZ) 18:26 @<henne> okay 18:26 <adrianS> it is a job with a higher prio, but no timeline yet

• unmaintained wikis

18:26 @<henne> notlocalhorst: what about the unmaintained wikis? [one line from adrianS moved to previous section] 18:27 <notlocalhorst> no news ... i have to organize it better .. 18:27 <notlocalhorst> i have to do it anyway because of the wiki skin changes 18:27 <notlocalhorst> from frank 18:27 @<henne> is there anything the sysops can do to help maybe? 18:27 @<henne> like talking to the maintainers or whatever 18:28 @<henne> sysops == wiki team 18:28 <notlocalhorst> yeah .. i will prepare a mail 18:29 <sPiN> speaking of wiki skin changes, i would like to bring up something with regards to the logo on the wiki
if its appropriate

• status cn wiki

18:29 @<henne> whats ETA on the the cn wiki announcement? 18:29 @<henne> sPiN: in the wiki status section please 18:29 <sPiN> will do 18:29 <notlocalhorst> the problem with cn is that i don't know at all why it's not announced ... 18:29 <notlocalhorst> there was a problem but nobody remembers ... 18:29 @<henne> because nobody did it? :) 18:30 <notlocalhorst> no 18:30 <notlocalhorst> but yes, top 10 on my 2do 18:30 * Beineri remembers notlocalhorst saying that Alex meant it's not ready :-) 18:30 @<henne> i think it was /Communicate 18:30 @<henne> which Alex fixed in the meantime 18:30 <notlocalhorst> ok, i will check 18:30 @<henne> eta? :) 18:31 <notlocalhorst> this week 18:31 @<Beineri> cn.opensuse.org talks about 10.3 ALpha 6 though on the front page... 18:31 <notlocalhorst> better than 10.1 18:31 <Michael> there is some time zone difference ;-) 18:31 <notlocalhorst> lol 18:31 <Azerion> Beineri: they are tkaling about how far they have come since beta 6 ;) 18:32 <adrianS> notlocalhorst: you read the mail that the other cn wiki will go down ? 18:32 <Azerion> continue 18:32 * henne wonders what the other cn wiki is 18:33 @<Beineri> henne: http://www.opensuse.org.cn - timeout on server

• community comitee, @opensuse.org mail addresses

[some lines moved to previous section] 18:31 @<henne> can we close community comitee, @opensuse.org mail addresses? 18:32 @<henne> this is clearly something for the board or? 18:32 <notlocalhorst> was there a discussion i missed about @opensuse.org? 18:32 <notlocalhorst> adrianS: yes 18:32 <adrianS> notlocalhorst: actually it is already for me ... 18:32 <adrianS> @opensuse.org was submitted to the board to decide 18:32 @<henne> the one in the basement we dont talk about? 18:33 <adrianS> okay 18:33 <adrianS> it was postponed, until the founded board can decide 18:33 @<henne> hm okay so we leave that open or not? 18:33 @<henne> notlocalhorst? 18:33 <notlocalhorst> open 18:33 <adrianS> henne: it has a LATER flag 18:33 <notlocalhorst> k# 18:33 @<henne> okay

• cz package list / putting packages into buildservice

18:34 @<henne> the next one about the cz package list still needs input from vladimir

• newsfeed inclusion in the wiki
• babel wiki

18:34 @<henne> notlocalhorst: did you commit the newsfeed thingy from stage? 18:34 <notlocalhorst> not yet, but after the meeting 18:34 <notlocalhorst> so its fixed 18:34 <notlocalhorst> but leave it open 18:34 @<henne> cool. and then the last one 18:35 <notlocalhorst> i will close it when i add it to the mainpage 18:35 @<henne> the babel wiki 18:35 <adrianS> Frank has submitted the new wiki skin to stage already btw 18:35 <adrianS> but it does still needs fixes 18:35 @<henne> its still not very clear whats needed for that 18:35 <adrianS> so it is not ready for deployment this week 18:35 <notlocalhorst> yes, i talked with frank today, we also need some fixed for rss feed integration 18:35 <notlocalhorst> it's not that easy as with the old skin 18:36 <notlocalhorst> babel:no news 18:36 <notlocalhorst> it's bigger and darix is quite busy right now 18:36 @<henne> okay 18:36 @<henne> so next topic?

Status Distribution

18:36 @<henne> Status Distribution 18:37 @<henne> any questions regarding the status there? 18:37 <benJIman> Is anyone going to talk about the plan for opensuse-codec-installer? 18:37 <cthiel> benJIman: --verbose please ;) 18:37 <Azerion> Is that part of Distribution? 18:37 <cthiel> I'd say so. 18:38 * cb400f wonders when Michael will provide needed info https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215652 18:38 @<henne> its in Q&A :) 18:38 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 215652 in openSUSE 10.3 (Patterns) "Install nano by default?" [Enhancement,Needinfo] 18:38 <benJIman> cthiel: Well I havn't seen much about it, it's going to offer to install fluendo's non-free codecs? 18:38 * Beineri pokes Michael 18:38 <benJIman> cthiel: And because amarok will be configured to use gstreamer instead of xine by default we can't let
users have free mp3 support just by installing xine. 18:39 <benJIman> We'd have to install guru amarok packge too. 18:39 <cthiel> benJIman: it's a more general framework, that will basically pop up a browser whenever you try to access
media files that you don't have a codec for 18:39 <benJIman> cthiel: But amarok is configured to not use xine as default backend now. 18:39 @<Beineri> benJIman: just switch backend, no need to replace amarok package... 18:39 <benJIman> Which makes getting mp3 support more difficult for those who don't want the non-free codecs. 18:39 <cthiel> benJIman: the webapp (http://software.opensuse.org/codecs) will then be able to suggest solutions. 18:39 <apokryphos> Beineri: hassle to tell users two things instead of one 18:40 <benJIman> Beineri: Not possible to do easily, without a packag eto do it. 18:40 <cyberorg> i had one of those on beta2, totem opened a browser to non-existent page, so may be it is WIP 18:40 <cthiel> Michael: do you have any update on mp3? 18:40 <apokryphos> Beineri: but mostly since we're hoping to not have to tell users to do anything specific with amarok
(and instead use OCI) 18:40 <Michael> negotiation between Fluendo and Novell on redistribution agreement for Fluendo's mp3 coded 18:41 <Michael> looks good but not signed yet 18:41 @<henne> cthiel/Beiner: is that engine change of amarok in any way connected to this? 18:41 @<Beineri> benJIman: btw, what shall "non-free codec" mean? 18:41 <apokryphos> Michael: what exactly will it enable? That they can get the codec for free (beer)? 18:41 <cthiel> henne: I wasn't aware of the change at all, until now :) 18:41 <Michael> mp3 decoding for free, yes 18:41 @<henne> Beineri: do you know why that happend? 18:41 <apokryphos> henne: yes 18:42 @<henne> apokryphos: how? 18:42 <benJIman> Beineri: fluendo's codecs are non-free. 18:42 <cb400f> henne: fluendo -> gstreamer -> yauap in amarok 18:42 <apokryphos> henne: the yauap amarok engine uses fluendo for mp3 18:42 @<Beineri> benJIman: the Fluendo mp3 plugin is also available as source, and available free of cost. where does it
differ from a binary packman distribution? 18:42 @<Beineri> benJIman: how "non-free"? 18:42 <benJIman> Beineri: The licenced version is not GPL. 18:42 <cthiel> ... we have actually arranged for xine to support the opensuse-codecs-stuff as well. 18:42 <benJIman> Because GPL is incompatable with the licence obligations. 18:42 <apokryphos> perhaps it really is better to leave the engine enabled like that in amarok 18:43 <apokryphos> ...if it's easy for users to get mp3 playback that way 18:43 <cb400f> cthiel: then tell Beineri to change amarok defaults back ;-) 18:43 <Azerion> cthiel: So why switching to Gstreamer? (Or did I your point?) 18:43 <apokryphos> cb400f: why? Users will get mp3 support even more easily this way 18:43 <cthiel> cb400f: I'll talk to Beineri tomorrow to figure out the details. 18:43 <cthiel> cb400f: if this was connected to fluendo, it makes sense, IMO. 18:43 <cthiel> cb400f: ... makes sense to stay with gstreamer. 18:44 <cb400f> didn't you just say xine could use the codecs also? 18:44 <Azerion> cthiel: That depends on the dependencies? If Gstreamer has 20 and Xine 2........ 18:44 @<henne> no it cant 18:44 <benJIman> cthiel: Can't the codec installer also switch the backend? 18:44 <cthiel> it could pop up a browser and tell you that there isn't any option for you, yes. 18:44 <cb400f> hrmpf 18:44 <cthiel> benJIman: no, it can't -- at least not in 10.3 18:44 <Azerion> okey 18:45 <Azerion> So Gstreamer at last ;-) 18:45 @<henne> okay so whats the conclusion now? 18:45 <notlocalhorst> cthiel talks with binary and post something on list 18:45 <cthiel> everything is going to be alright ;) 18:45 <apokryphos> if we can get mp3 support in amarok easily to the user then we shouldn't care about not having xine 18:45 @<Beineri> cthiel: I'm not involved with that Amarok stuff - and I guess you know ;-)... 18:45 <benJIman> Fluendo packages are not free though. 18:45 <apokryphos> benJIman: as in beer 18:46 <benJIman> But not as in the rest of the distribution. 18:46 <cb400f> Michael, cthiel: any chance opensuse-codec-installer will see any real world testing before release? 18:46 <cthiel> cb400f: it's out there already. 18:46 <cyberorg> currently totem opens this website, which doesnt exist, shall i file bug report or it is known? http://tinyurl.com/ys64jk 18:46 <cthiel> cyberorg: beta1 or beta2? 18:46 <Michael> when the agreement is signed yes 18:46 <apokryphos> benJIman: well let's not worry about the legality.. we'll leave that to the others in Novell who I'm
sure will :) 18:46 <cb400f> yes.. meant fluendo also 18:46 <cyberorg> beta2 18:47 <cthiel> cyberorg: please file a bug then. 18:47 <cyberorg> cthiel, ok 18:47 <cthiel> cyberorg: and assign it to me -- I'll take care of reassigning it. 18:47 <Azerion> cyberorg: make sure you are up2date 18:47 <benJIman> apokryphos: It is legal, it's just not ideal. 18:47 <Azerion> everything has been synced today if I remember correctly 18:47 <benJIman> apokryphos: When we can have freer support with xine. 18:47 <cb400f> apokryphos: how about other formats.. will fluendo play movs and wmas, wmvs as well as libxine+ffmpeg? 18:47 <cthiel> so, is there anything that we will need to sort out, or are we all clear on this now? 18:47 @<henne> benJIman: you can give that. but its not a very general solution 18:48 <benJIman> cb400f: I think it's only the mp3 codec is free as in beer. 18:48 @<Beineri> cyberorg: that should begin with "http://software.opensuse.org/codecs?"... 18:48 <cb400f> benJIman: Novell is paying the bills it seems 18:48 <adrianS> it is only mp3 and only for gestreamer 18:48 <adrianS> it is no solution for DVB or xine or anything else 18:48 <Azerion> adrianS: TnQ 18:48 <cyberorg> running totem-2.19.6-10, totem-plugin-2.19.6-10 18:48 @<Beineri> adrianS: http://software.opensuse.org/codecs? is redirecting to download.opensuse.org/repositories !? 18:49 @<henne> ahhh guys 18:49 <cthiel> it's not. 18:49 <adrianS> Beineri: yes 18:49 <Azerion> But...if it is only for mp3 pleople still have to download packages anyway....for their movies 18:49 @<henne> are we clear on that opensuse-codecs-installler thing? 18:49 @<Beineri> adrianS: that's broken/regression 18:49 @<henne> and can we stays with facts? 18:49 <adrianS> Beineri: no 18:49 <Azerion> right? 18:50 @<Beineri> adrianS: great to talk with you ;-(... --verbose 18:50 <Azerion> henne: Go on plz ;) 18:50 @<henne> so let me summarize: 18:51 @<henne> opensuse-codecs-installler will pop up a webpage with hints on how to best get the codec youre missing 18:51 @<henne> what the individual solution will be we dont know yet 18:51 <cthiel> correct! 18:51 <cb400f> we will still need to use the traditional packman way for most users.. and yauap being default for amarok
makes that more difficult 18:51 <cthiel> if you have any input on what could be put on that page, contact me directly (via email) 18:52 <notlocalhorst> please on a list 18:52 @<henne> cb400f: but the traditional packman way cant be the solution 18:52 <cyberorg> may be bug is just on this page, wrong url there: file:///usr/share/opensuse-codecs-installer/offline.html# 18:52 <cyberorg> can anyone running beta2 check? 18:53 @<henne> this is not the debug meeting peepz 18:53 <Azerion> cyberorg: check what? 18:53 @<henne> ill go on now 18:53 <Azerion> srry 18:53 @<Beineri> abock: yeah, it contains some abock.org url :-) ^ 18:53 <cyberorg> sorry :)

Status Communication / Events

18:53 @<henne> Status Communication 18:53 @<henne> any questions regarding that topic? 18:54 @<henne> none? okay 18:54 * Beineri thinks we have local opensuse community in London :-) 18:54 @<Beineri> benJIman and apokryphos 18:55 <benJIman> I'm not in london this year. 18:55 <notlocalhorst> i asked for a community booth ... lets wait 18:55 <apokryphos> I'll probably turn up anyway; if there's a booth I'll be happy to help out 18:55 <benJIman> Poke jogley etc too. 18:55 @<henne> you asked who? LWE uk? 18:55 <notlocalhorst> yes 18:56 @<henne> get roger there too 18:56 <apokryphos> would any Novell guys in the UK be interested? 18:56 @<Beineri> what about asking Riggwelter? 18:56 <notlocalhorst> hmm dunno ... i will ask when i know more about the booth 18:56 <benJIman> henne: We don't want a conspiracy booth. 18:56 <notlocalhorst> lol 18:57 <benJIman> Beineri: I already mentioned jogley 18:57 @<henne> benJIman: people != their blogs you know? :) 18:57 @<Beineri> benJIman: ok, but not with the right nick :-) 18:57 @<henne> okay next topic 18:57 <notlocalhorst> so next, i'm working on it ... until i have no confirmation it makes no sense to plan with ppl

Status Buildservice

18:57 @<henne> Status Buildservice 18:57 @<henne> any questions regarding the non existent status mails there? :) 18:57 <adrianS> as said before no updates from the last two weeks 18:58 <adrianS> lots of vacation and smaller bugfix clean ups 18:58 <adrianS> roadmap is about to come 18:58 <apokryphos> the BS was down for nearly the whole weekend :( 18:58 <adrianS> yes, we have no 24/7 for it 18:58 <adrianS> but we can improve the situation with some things 18:58 <adrianS> I am looking into this atm 18:58 <apokryphos> so darix does sleep? :o 18:59 <benJIman> Redirector most crucially. 18:59 <adrianS> darix had no chance directly 18:59 <benJIman> That was working fortunately. 18:59 <adrianS> yes, but it could theoretically happen the same to it 18:59 <adrianS> we want to have a HA solution for the redirector in future 18:59 @<henne> well thats some structural thing we need to take care of in house here 19:00 @<henne> and we do 19:00 @<henne> any other questions/remarks? 19:00 @<henne> okay....

Q & A

19:01 @<henne> then Q&A :) 19:01 @<henne> i guess we already answered the fluendo part of the first question yes? 19:01 <_fm_> yes 19:01 @<henne> the second part is about some eclipse bug 19:02 @<henne> it makes really no sense to ask about the status of a but in this meeting 19:02 @<henne> do that in bugzilla where it belongs to 19:02 @<henne> the second question we already did in the distribution part 19:02 @<henne> so 19:02 @<henne> any other questions from the channel? :) 19:02 <cb400f> does that also include bug reports that are needinfo and the provider is present? 19:03 <cb400f> such as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215652 19:03 <apokryphos> I think I'll post a mail to the list as well but I was just going to suggest that everyone (SUSE and
Community people) have a user wiki page entry. On news.o.o we might mention them and people will be just hearing a
string of names, so they can't find out more if they want to. 19:03 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 215652 in openSUSE 10.3 (Patterns) "Install nano by default?" [Enhancement,Resolved: wontfix] 19:03 @<henne> cb400f: yes please 19:03 <benJIman> apokryphos: darix's user portal will have a page for everyone though. 19:03 @<henne> apokryphos: i guess its easier if you tell people that dont have one directly 19:04 <apokryphos> henne: it's around 70% of people 19:04 @<henne> when did the user directory became a user portal? 19:04 <cthiel> cb400f: on the nano bug: just in order to stay consitent with our manuals (which describe how to use vi),
let's stick with vi for now. 19:04 <apokryphos> benJIman: ok, that might be nice 19:04 <apokryphos> benJIman: any ETA? 19:04 @<henne> apokryphos: 70% of what? of all registered opensuse accounts? :) 19:04 <benJIman> henne: When I get the name wrong. 19:04 <apokryphos> henne: of people directly involved with openSUSE 19:04 <benJIman> apokryphos: talk to darix, it's a WIP. 19:05 @<Beineri> cthiel: it's about joe v nano though :-) 19:05 * benJIman has to run 19:05 @<henne> apokryphos: its just a suggestions but if you see people without one (when you reference them or something)
talk to them directly 19:05 <cthiel> Beineri: joe isn't on the CDs. 19:05 <cthiel> Beineri: it's just vi these days. 19:06 <cb400f> yup.. manuals didn't cover pico? :-( 19:06 <aka_druid_> thought joe was on default install in 10.2 and 10.1 19:06 @<Beineri> cthiel: the report is not (only) about CDs 19:06 <cb400f> aka_druid_: only 10.2.. 10.1 had nano 19:07 <cb400f> replaced pico for license reasons 19:07 <sPiN> can we all agree that something more friendly than vi needs to be installed by default? 19:07 @<Beineri> +1 19:07 @<henne> -100000²³ 19:08 <cthiel> sPiN: how about a graphical editor? 19:08 <apokryphos> nano is still a cli editor 19:08 <apokryphos> such a minority of users use it in comparison to vi 19:08 <cthiel> we have kwrite/kate and gedit on every system -- that's as user-frindly as it gets. 19:08 <Azerion> -1 (douvle cthiel comment) 19:08 <cb400f> for desktops the console editor is primarily for emergencies 19:08 @<henne> we can have something else additionaly to vi but not as a replacement please 19:08 * Beineri spots sPiN and wonders in what repository the new help.opensuse.org content gets developed 19:09 @<henne> but as there is already a bug lets discuss there 19:09 <sPiN> henne, sure i agree with that. i would just like to see a more friendly cli editor also included 19:09 <cthiel> henne: we are currently out of space on the CDs, so I don't see a chance of adding yet another editor to it. 19:09 <sPiN> well if this is the time id be glad to talk about help.o.o 19:10 @<henne> sPiN: goto 215652 :) 19:10 @<Beineri> [19:06] <Beineri> cthiel: the report is not (only) about CDs 19:10 @<henne> cthiel: theres always something to drop :) 19:10 <cthiel> alright, we are talking about 416K 19:10 <cthiel> if there is any space left on the CDs on RC1, I might add nano -- but no promisses. 19:11 <cthiel> adding it to the DVD is a no-brainer right now. 19:11 @<Beineri> cthiel: just s/joe/nano/ in ENHANCED-BASIS-OPT :-) 19:11 @<henne> okay anything else we need to discuss? 19:11 <sPiN> henne, you trying to end this section or the whole meeting? 19:11 <aka_druid_> joe >>>> nano 19:11 @<henne> sPiN: as this is the last topic.... 19:11 <cthiel> yeah, let's conclude the meeting! ;) 19:11 @<henne> sPiN: both :) 19:12 <sPiN> henne, ahh well i dont have that page up 19:12 <sPiN> lets hold on just a second there 19:12 @<Beineri> henne: spin wants to talk about help.o.o 19:12 @<henne> yes. thats why i ask :) 19:12 @<henne> what about help.o.o? 19:12 <notlocalhorst> is yaloki here? 19:12 <sPiN> well first something i noticed about the branding, http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand 19:12 <Azerion> Srry guys, I know it will be a tough time for you all....but I really have to go. Bye bye 19:12 * henne rattles at yalokis cage 19:13 <apokryphos> spin is developing the new template 19:13 <notlocalhorst> ah ok 19:13 @<Beineri> sPiN: what about it? 19:13 <sPiN> that page claims the official suse green is #73ba25, however the logo used by the wiki is #6EB927 19:13 @<Beineri> that's the old or the new wiki? 19:14 <sPiN> thats the wiki as it stand right now, i am not aware of a new wiki 19:14 <apokryphos> http://en.test.opensuse.org 19:15 <apokryphos> I don't think we need to discuss this now though 19:15 <sPiN> haha 19:15 <sPiN> #000028 19:15 <apokryphos> we can speak to people individually 19:15 <sPiN> what people? i thought if someone needs to be aware of branding it is these guys 19:15 <apokryphos> sPiN: frank or jimmac 19:16 @<Beineri> sPiN: any site/repository where we can get a sneak peek at the new site? 19:16 <sPiN> ok well i am trying to make a layout for help.o.o and i am trying to do right by the branding...
the fact that no one is playing by the rules suggest i dont have to either 19:16 <sPiN> Beineri, not at the moment, i could let you into my local server if you like, but will need your ip for
the firewall 19:16 <apokryphos> don't worry too much about that.. use the svg linked to on the page and if not you can change later easily 19:17 <cyberorg> apokryphos, corners needs rounding ;) 19:17 @<Beineri> sPiN: are you aware of https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/opensuse/trunk/infrastructure/help.o.o ? 19:17 <aka_druid_> henne: EOM 19:17 <cyberorg> never mind, slow connection 19:17 <sPiN> apokryphos, changing colors on one image is easy but if all other images hinge on it, then it is a bit more
work and id rather get it right the first time 19:17 <aka_druid_> Beineri: just a placeholder 19:17 <apokryphos> sPiN: ok, contact jimmac about it or open a bug report 19:18 <sPiN> so i ask you, is #73ba25 the official suse green or not? 19:18 @<Beineri> aka_druid_: the repository, not the content 19:18 <sPiN> apokryphos, he is @novell and in charge of branding? 19:18 <apokryphos> sPiN: he's the Novell/SUSE artist, yes 19:18 <sPiN> Beineri, yaloki mentioned it, but i have not been there... going now 19:18 @<Beineri> sPiN: dunno who can create you an account there. adrianS? 19:19 <sPiN> apokryphos, great, ill contact him about the inconsistancies 19:19 @<henne> adrianS is gone already... 19:19 @<henne> Beineri: can you take that AI for tomorrow? 19:19 <sPiN> yaloki made me an account for OSP, maybe he can do one there as well? 19:19 <apokryphos> henne: I think we can wrap up ;) 19:19 @<henne> okay 19:20 @<Beineri> OSP? 19:20 @<henne> So that was it. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 19:20 @<henne> The next meeting will be at the 29th of August. Same time, same channel. 19:20 @<henne> ARGH 19:20 @<Beineri> henne: nice try ;-) 19:20 @<henne> at 12. September 19:20 <sPiN> Beineri, opensuse software portal, i am working on a layout for that as well 19:20 @<henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck!