Aug 01 13:00:10 <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting! Aug 01 13:00:15 <henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. Aug 01 13:00:20 <henne> The topics for this meeting are: Aug 01 13:00:30 <henne> 1. Status Distribution Aug 01 13:00:31 <henne> 2. Status Communication/Events Aug 01 13:00:31 <henne> 3. Status Buildservice Aug 01 13:00:31 <henne> 4. Questions & Answers wiki Aug 01 13:00:31 <henne> 5. Questions & Answers channel

Status Distribution

Aug 01 13:00:37 <henne> Lets go! Aug 01 13:00:54 <henne> coolo: your turn on reposrting the status of the distribution :) Aug 01 13:01:19 <coolo> ok Aug 01 13:01:33 <coolo> hello everyone - sorry for being so late. I just had to fight some fires :) Aug 01 13:02:04 <judas_iscariote> :) Aug 01 13:02:09 <coolo> we'll release alpha7 tomorrow with 10 known blocker bugs and 57 critical problems Aug 01 13:02:26 <coolo> so it looks pretty bad, but alpha6 was worse - if it helps anyone :) Aug 01 13:02:43 <coolo> we'll again ship with one CD installs of KDE and GNOME Aug 01 13:02:50 <coolo> + live CDs for both Aug 01 13:03:11 <coolo> we're currently discussing if we provide USB live images too - feedback welcome Aug 01 13:03:20 <coolo> and we'll have the usual DVD5 Aug 01 13:03:40 <coolo> the biggest problems moved from zypp/update to boot config actually ;( Aug 01 13:04:38 <coolo> that's about the changes since alpha6 (beside the usual version updates) Aug 01 13:04:57 <coolo> questions? Aug 01 13:05:21 * coolo has 5 people in his office discussing foreign churches - so sorry if I forgot something Aug 01 13:05:24 <henne> no questions? Aug 01 13:05:38 <Uranellus> coolo: what's the status on making the minimal install smaller? Aug 01 13:05:52 <judas_iscariote> Uranellus: isnt it too small already ? Aug 01 13:06:17 <coolo> Uranellus: we have tons of people complaining about missing packages here and there ;( Aug 01 13:06:28 <coolo> Uranellus: it seems minimal install isn't really compatible to our user base ;) Aug 01 13:06:38 <metavoid> coolo: are there still any plans to master the second DVD5 for those who dont have broadband? Aug 01 13:06:49 <coolo> Uranellus: but we're splitting tons of packages to avoid dependencies Aug 01 13:07:00 <Uranellus> judas_iscariote: well that's a state too ;) didnt ask to it even smaller .. Aug 01 13:07:34 <Uranellus> coolo: sounds cool :) IMHO the "old minimal" install should be kept as a "basic textbased install " .. Aug 01 13:07:35 <AJaeger> Uranellus: We discussed this on length in February on opensuse-factory - and reduced the
minimal install significantly. Give it a try with Alpha7! Aug 01 13:07:36 <cgoncalves> coolo: regarding installation medias. are you dropping the 5CDs (only providing DVD5)? Aug 01 13:07:46 <coolo> metavoid: "the second"? the ftp tree is 14GB, that are three DVD5 :) Aug 01 13:07:58 <Uranellus> AJaeger: ok, will read that up :) Aug 01 13:08:13 <judas_iscariote> imho having a second DVD is non-sense Aug 01 13:08:39 <metavoid> coolo: then the second DVD9 for boxes maybe? Aug 01 13:08:54 <judas_iscariote> coolo: what is the the "final" media layout ? Aug 01 13:08:58 <coolo> metavoid: yes, we discussed having a second DVD9 for the retail boxes Aug 01 13:09:15 <coolo> metavoid: but it's still early in discussion Aug 01 13:09:17 <michl19> 1 CD, each for Gnome and KDE Aug 01 13:09:43 <michl19> DVD5, each for x86 and x86-64 Aug 01 13:09:50 <metavoid> coolo: really good news, I hope you make a correct decision ;) Aug 01 13:10:02 <michl19> DVD9 for retail box Aug 01 13:10:21 <michl19> and a DVD 9 with snapshot of ftp tree for box as well Aug 01 13:10:42 <michl19> and a Live DVD 32bit Aug 01 13:11:14 <henne> any other questions? Aug 01 13:11:20 <metavoid> michl19: what about installable live DVD? Aug 01 13:11:33 <judas_iscariote> michl19: thanks. Aug 01 13:11:51 <michl19> if a installalbe LIve version works than it will replace the LiveDVD Aug 01 13:13:03 <henne> fi fi fi fi Aug 01 13:13:09 <metavoid> michl19: is that a 32 bit only or x86_64 version is going also? Aug 01 13:13:09 <metavoid> taling about installable one Aug 01 13:13:10 <henne> sorry. just the closing all the if's 8)~ Aug 01 13:13:29 <michl19> first step is x86 Aug 01 13:13:59 <metavoid> ok thanks Aug 01 13:14:35 <henne> next topic?

Status Communication/Events

Aug 01 13:14:52 <henne> okay. 2. Status Communication/Events Aug 01 13:14:54 <henne> notlocalhorst? Aug 01 13:15:03 <notlocalhorst> fi.o.o is ready, zh_tw also but we have some problems, so i will not announceit, more soon Aug 01 13:15:11 <notlocalhorst> next week is lwe in san francisco, meet Seth & /me there ... for more events, look at news.o.o Aug 01 13:15:25 <notlocalhorst> ah, and i send out all promodvds Aug 01 13:15:38 <henne> and we have a new mailinglist. opensuse-kernel@opensuse.org Aug 01 13:16:00 <apokryphos> notlocalhorst: were there many requests? Aug 01 13:16:17 <notlocalhorst> around 30, i send approx 600 dvds Aug 01 13:16:31 <apokryphos> nice Aug 01 13:16:34 <notlocalhorst> yes Aug 01 13:16:40 <henne> we still have a lot left right? Aug 01 13:16:46 <AJaeger> apokryphos: That means: If you still want some, we have some left ;-) Aug 01 13:17:02 <notlocalhorst> yes, so if anyone need dvds to spread them, send me an email Aug 01 13:17:09 <apokryphos> great, will bear it in mind Aug 01 13:17:29 <henne> any other questions? Aug 01 13:17:33 <rodrigo> notlocalhorst: dvds with opensuse distro I guess that is? Aug 01 13:17:46 <notlocalhorst> no, this time we ship debian and red hat ... Aug 01 13:17:57 <ark_mage2> when will the new wiki be up? Aug 01 13:17:58 <rodrigo> if so, I would make good use of some, next September in a local conference Aug 01 13:17:59 <rodrigo> :-) Aug 01 13:18:01 <notlocalhorst> not .. yes, opensuse 10.2, live and install Aug 01 13:18:12 <rodrigo> notlocalhorst: what's your mail? :) Aug 01 13:18:22 <henne> next september means 2008? Aug 01 13:18:31 <notlocalhorst> rodrigo: http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD mail is mlasars@suse.de Aug 01 13:18:56 <notlocalhorst> ark_mage2: new wiki? what do you mean? Aug 01 13:19:06 <notlocalhorst> new layout? Aug 01 13:19:12 <ark_mage2> the redesigned wiki theme Aug 01 13:19:43 <notlocalhorst> frank wrote today that we start testing it on the stageing server Aug 01 13:19:59 <notlocalhorst> because it's very important that everthing work, we need to test a lot ... Aug 01 13:20:01 <notlocalhorst> but soon Aug 01 13:20:59 <henne> anything else regarding communiction? :) Aug 01 13:21:37 <henne> okay next topic then

Status Buildservice

Aug 01 13:21:39 <henne> 3. Status Buildservice Aug 01 13:21:49 <henne> adrianS? bauersman? Aug 01 13:21:52 <adrianS> k, Build Service means End User interface these days Aug 01 13:22:08 <adrianS> we have a test instance running at http://softwaretest.opensuse.org/ right now Aug 01 13:22:19 <adrianS> I will disable it later today again, but you can try for now :) Aug 01 13:22:32 <adrianS> It will became available (and announced) next week Aug 01 13:23:09 <adrianS> we implemented everything what we wanted in this timeframe, this means everybody
can search for software build in the OBS Aug 01 13:23:20 <adrianS> nice things are the support for 1-click-installations Aug 01 13:23:25 <apokryphos> woww, some of that stuff looks really nice Aug 01 13:23:29 <adrianS> either based on submitted patterns Aug 01 13:23:42 <adrianS> or on-the-fly generated for a single package Aug 01 13:23:49 <apokryphos> the software.o.o and download.o.o pages are being merged? Aug 01 13:24:00 <adrianS> try to search for "kde" the first matches are patterns Aug 01 13:24:14 <adrianS> we do tune a bit on the look atm Aug 01 13:24:33 <adrianS> what is not there, is a browsing functionality, esp based on patterns Aug 01 13:24:47 <judas_iscariote> looks good ;) Aug 01 13:25:02 <adrianS> also displaying the statistics and that they have an effect on the search results Aug 01 13:25:27 <adrianS> the source is not yet available due to some legal stuff, but will come to the svn this week Aug 01 13:25:48 <adrianS> we are happy to introduce anyone into the code, if someone wants to help :) Aug 01 13:25:56 <adrianS> bauersman: anything to add ? Aug 01 13:26:08 <bauersman> no Aug 01 13:26:20 <adrianS> please do not post this URL yet anywhere, it is just there for you Aug 01 13:26:21 <henne> you really should get rid of the "1-Click" Aug 01 13:26:31 <adrianS> and it will disappear later today Aug 01 13:26:43 <adrianS> but comes to software.o.o next week :) Aug 01 13:26:54 <adrianS> henne: what do you mean with that ? Aug 01 13:26:59 <adrianS> different text ? Aug 01 13:27:28 <henne> adrianS: just %s/1-Click//g over your source Aug 01 13:27:46 <adrianS> ??? and than an empty button ? Aug 01 13:27:46 <henne> yes just the wording Aug 01 13:27:55 <henne> an "Install" button Aug 01 13:28:01 <adrianS> Ah ... Aug 01 13:28:21 <adrianS> k, maybe together with some icon which is used also by Benji Aug 01 13:28:35 <henne> true Aug 01 13:28:35 <adrianS> what you not see yet, is the permanentlink option Aug 01 13:28:44 <apokryphos> the search is something completely new or does it use some of benji's stuff? Aug 01 13:28:47 <adrianS> so it will be possible to link to that page with static pages Aug 01 13:29:02 <adrianS> the search is new, because it does really ask the backend Aug 01 13:29:22 <adrianS> it can search all projects based on "openSUSE:10.2" project for example Aug 01 13:29:36 <adrianS> the search functionality in the API is even more powerfull Aug 01 13:30:03 <adrianS> you could also search for "KDE:KDE4/SUSE_Factory" and "X11:xine" just for example Aug 01 13:30:21 <apokryphos> I guess eventually it will also index all things from the main oss repository when that
itself is in the build service, right? Aug 01 13:30:50 <adrianS> Factory is already inside and 10.3 will be also copied inside Aug 01 13:30:53 <adrianS> so, yes :) Aug 01 13:31:22 <apokryphos> it's looking really great ;-) Aug 01 13:31:24 <adrianS> beside that Aug 01 13:32:04 <adrianS> we decided to risk to cancel the aproval process for accounts Aug 01 13:32:15 <adrianS> means everybody will get an account immediatly Aug 01 13:32:34 <adrianS> we will not make big buzz around that, because we may need to enable it again later Aug 01 13:32:39 <adrianS> if it gets misused Aug 01 13:32:57 <adrianS> atm I do approve ~ 20 accounts per at least Aug 01 13:33:03 <adrianS> per day Aug 01 13:33:10 <apokryphos> :O Aug 01 13:33:33 <Beineri> adrianS: so people are not asked anymore what they intend to do? Aug 01 13:34:00 <adrianS> credits for softwaretest.opensuse.org goes to Michael Schroeder, Andreas Bauer,
Robert Lihm and Frank Sundermeyer btw Aug 01 13:34:06 <adrianS> Beineri: right Aug 01 13:34:36 <henne> okay are there any questions regarding the buildservice peepz? Aug 01 13:34:42 * Beineri thinks we loose some insight then :-) Aug 01 13:34:53 <henne> Beineri: you think too much Aug 01 13:35:17 <henne> okay next topic then Aug 01 13:35:25 <metavoid> adrianS: what is the current computing power of the BS? Aug 01 13:35:30 <henne> aha Aug 01 13:35:45 <adrianS> metavoid: 126 parallel instaces atm Aug 01 13:36:14 <metavoid> also: does sponsoring of AMD reflects only on the BS or on any other areas too? Aug 01 13:36:43 <apokryphos> speaking of which, when will that be officially announced? Aug 01 13:36:58 <apokryphos> I guess when the new interface is up Aug 01 13:37:07 <adrianS> metavoid: esp. on the build service Aug 01 13:37:23 <adrianS> but work very well together with AMD since quite some time Aug 01 13:37:38 <adrianS> they paid us also to port linux on x86_64 in the past Aug 01 13:37:51 <adrianS> means doing all the ground work like binutils/gcc/glibc Aug 01 13:37:54 <adrianS> and kernel Aug 01 13:38:20 <adrianS> apokryphos: you speak about software.o.o or build.o.o ? Aug 01 13:38:21 <coolo> ok, I have to leave. sorry Aug 01 13:38:55 <apokryphos> adrianS: software.o.o, but I guess build.o.o isn't farf off as well? Aug 01 13:39:10 <adrianS> apokryphos: planned date is 8th august atm Aug 01 13:39:25 <apokryphos> ok Aug 01 13:39:34 <henne> anything else regarding the buildservice? Aug 01 13:39:50 <metavoid> adrianS: sounds like it's a very perspective collaboration Aug 01 13:40:35 <henne> okay then the next topic

Q & A

Aug 01 13:40:37 <henne> Q&A Aug 01 13:40:41 <henne> first from the wiki Aug 01 13:40:46 <henne> cboltz: or are you alive? Aug 01 13:41:19 <henne> hm Aug 01 13:41:24 <henne> okay Aug 01 13:41:29 <cboltz> yes ;-) (but I have some Kopete problems...) Aug 01 13:41:43 <henne> well just quickly ask your question :) Aug 01 13:42:05 <cboltz> (and Konversation as backup client running, so don't worry ;-) Aug 01 13:42:10 <cboltz> There are currently about 20 Action Items open in Bugzilla, some of them were not
touched for more than a year. Can someone please go through the list and do the requested action? ;-) Aug 01 13:42:13 <cboltz> http://tinyurl.com/3369c5 Aug 01 13:42:39 <henne> cant you ping again in them? Aug 01 13:42:50 <henne> otherwise you will just generate a new AI ;) Aug 01 13:43:08 <henne> maybe we should be more strict with AI checking in this meeting? Aug 01 13:43:13 <notlocalhorst> don't ping me ... i will work on the stuff ... thanks Aug 01 13:43:14 <michl19> Restroom doors are not sufficiently mobile. Aug 01 13:43:19 <michl19> that's an important one Aug 01 13:43:20 <notlocalhorst> lol Aug 01 13:43:24 <cboltz> Note that some of the AIs are very simple and trivial to fix Aug 01 13:43:29 <cboltz> like a missing redirect on news.opensuse.org (one line in the Apache config) Aug 01 13:43:59 <adrianS> frome where ? Aug 01 13:44:05 * Beineri not sure why michl19 spreads our internal problems ;-) Aug 01 13:44:08 <cboltz> ;-) Aug 01 13:44:30 <judas_iscariote> heh Aug 01 13:44:35 <michl19> it publicly in bugzilla Aug 01 13:44:51 <henne> well the only way to make this work is to ping in them until someone at least gets a status update Aug 01 13:45:20 <henne> or we introduce a new topic in this meeting. 0. Old Action Items Aug 01 13:45:42 <notlocalhorst> yes Aug 01 13:45:47 * henne is for the latter Aug 01 13:45:59 <cboltz> /rss was a default news source in Akregator in 10.1 or 10.2 (IIRC, see the AI for details) Aug 01 13:46:39 <henne> details Aug 01 13:46:48 <Beineri> not 10.2 Aug 01 13:47:38 <henne> no opinions? Aug 01 13:48:12 <henne> okay Aug 01 13:48:14 * henne decides to add a new topic to the meeting Aug 01 13:48:25 <henne> any other questions from the channel? Aug 01 13:48:51 * cboltz is finally confused - in a debugging package I could not reproduce the "excess flood"
produced by Kopete :-( Aug 01 13:49:15 <henne> no questions anymore? Aug 01 13:49:34 <henne> So that was it. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. Aug 01 13:49:37 <cboltz> adrianS: When do you upload your LinuxTag slides? ;-) Aug 01 13:49:38 <henne> The next meeting will be at the 15th of August. Same time, same channel. Aug 01 13:49:42 <henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck!