Meetings/Status Meeting 2007-06-06/transcript

18:00 @<henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting! 18:00 @<henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 18:00 @<henne> The topics for this meeting are: 18:00 @<henne> * Status Distribution 18:00 @<henne> * Status Communication 18:00 @<henne> * Status Buildservice 18:00 @<henne> * Status Events 18:00 @<henne> * Q & A 18:00 @<henne> first topic. Distribution 18:01 @<henne> AJaeger? 18:01 <AJaeger> Hi Guys, 18:01 <AJaeger> the most significant changes to the distribution the last weeks 18:01 <AJaeger> were the new KDE4 packages, the update of the Linux kernel to 18:01 <AJaeger> 2.6.22, the update to Emacs 22.1, OpenOffice.org 2.2, using 18:01 <AJaeger> Pidgin instead of gaim. We also enabled rpmlint in the build 18:01 <AJaeger> process for stricter checks. 18:01 <AJaeger> Our Czech packagers team has created a page where they have some 18:01 <AJaeger> packages they would like to maintain in the build service 18:01 <AJaeger> together with community members. If you're interested, please check: 18:01 <AJaeger> http://en.opensuse.org/Czech_Packagers_Team/Packages_sorted_by_maintainer 18:01 <AJaeger> Questions, comments, discussion? 18:01 @<henne> not? 18:01 <AJaeger> I've been last week at Linuxtag and just recovered from my backlog ;-) 18:02 <AJaeger> henne: Give everybody a chance :-) 18:02 @<henne> next topic then? 18:02 <Beineri> is there also a page for non-czech packages? :-) 18:02 <AJaeger> Beineri: Not yet - but if somebody wants to create one. 18:02 @<henne> why not put these packages into a repo? 18:02 <AJaeger> But these are normal packages - just maintained by Czech developers. 18:02 @<henne> this is utterly comlicated :) 18:03 <AJaeger> henne: Sounds like a good idea. Will you tell Vladimir? 18:03 @<henne> s/m/mp/ 18:03 @<henne> will do 18:03 @<henne> any other questions regarding the distribution? 18:03 <Nix> argus should go in my server:monitoring project... 18:03 <AJaeger> First AI: Henne to talk to Vladimir about putting these packages into Buildservice. 18:04 <Nix> possibly fping also... 18:04 * Beineri wonders about such basic pacakges like pinfo and less being offered 18:04 <AJaeger> Nix: tell anosek@novell.com . 18:04 <AJaeger> He's listed as maintainer. 18:04 @<henne> alright 18:04 @<henne> next topic then 18:04 * Nix nods 18:04 @<henne> Status Communication (web, mail, etc.) 18:04 @<henne> localhorst? 18:04 <aka_druid_> yawn 18:04 <localhorst> one moment! 18:05 <localhorst> - buqsquashing (name is not fixed :-)): 16-17.06.2007 see page in the wiki or the mails from Francis. I will expand the page
next week, add some kind of guidelines, and talk to suse developers so we have good support. So more on that topic next week, feel
free to add you thoughts to the discussion on the project and/or factory list. apokryphos: which list do you prefer? 18:05 <localhorst> this is still distribution i guess 18:05 <apokryphos> not sure; I guess it's appropriate in either 18:05 <apokryphos> looking forward to it :) 18:05 @<henne> factory please 18:05 <AJaeger> So do I! 18:06 <localhorst> ok, so more on this next week, stay tuned 18:06 <localhorst> - wiki: nothing new from me ... darix is working on babel. I still have wikis to set up, but no time. 18:06 <localhorst> Speaking for Frank: the new skin is widely accepted and most bugs are gone, enhancements went in ... 18:07 <localhorst> - question from the wiki ... puh, i just looked fast over the proposal and i'm not sure ... let's discuss this on project (even 18:07 <localhorst> this is a wiki topic, i guess it fits more there) 18:07 <localhorst> questions? 18:07 @<henne> are you talking about the website split? 18:07 <localhorst> yes 18:07 <localhorst> sorry, i could be more -vvv 18:08 @<henne> yes. the website split topic is nothing for a status meeting. this has to be discussed on the -wiki list 18:08 <AJaeger> One note - fits under distribution as well as under communication: We have a new survey about proprietary software and like to get your feedback. 18:08 <AJaeger> For details: See my email on opensuse-announce. 18:08 @<henne> for mailinglists: the last two mailinglists will be migrated on tuesday 18:09 <apokryphos> is the one CD KDE and one cd GNOME still on target to be released for alpha5? 18:09 <Beineri> survey => http://www.surveymonkey.com/Users/33889499/Surveys/413433852485/CC07C39C-761F-4059-8A51-5DAE03B24ACE.asp?U=413433852485&DO_NOT_COPY_THIS_LINK 18:09 <bill-barriere> no question about if we would like to have IIS in there :P 18:09 <apokryphos> and, when will sp1 be released? ;) 18:09 @<henne> and the old names and syntax are turned off. like announced on -announce 18:09 <AJaeger> apokryphos: I'm not sure whether we make it for alpha4, we're still playing around... 18:09 <Beineri> alpha 4? 18:09 @<henne> alpha 5 of course 18:10 @<henne> apokryphos: ask your sales representative :) 18:10 <Beineri> very soon now 18:10 <apokryphos> I get the impression opensuse guys are still very busy with it 8) 18:10 @<henne> anything else regarding communication? 18:11 @<henne> apokryphos: we have public holiday after public holiday this time of year 18:11 <AJaeger> apokryphos: And quite some were in Berlin last week... 18:11 <apokryphos> hm, must consider living there ;) 18:11 @<henne> okay. next topic then. Status BuildService 18:11 <apokryphos> yeah, Linuxtag looked great :) 18:12 @<henne> who can cover that? 18:12 <AJaeger> Adrian is hiking. 18:12 @<henne> adrianS? 18:12 @<henne> well as far as i know there are no real news there 18:12 <AJaeger> I'm not sure who can cover, so let's just ask for questions. 18:12 <apokryphos> new hardware coming in very soon now, I hear 18:12 <AJaeger> Oh, one note: We're getting some extra hardware. The first machine is already in the rack more to come soon - and then we'll announce it properly. 18:13 <AJaeger> apokryphos: You're too fast for me ;-) 18:13 <apokryphos> sounds great 18:13 @<henne> okay any questions regarding the BS? 18:13 @<henne> nothing? 18:14 @<henne> this might be the fastest meeting we ever held 8) 18:14 <_Marcus_> you are pushing qwuite fast too ;) 18:14 @<henne> next topic then: Status Events 18:14 @<henne> localhorst? 18:14 <localhorst> - LWE SF is settled, .org pavilion (sp?) for openSUSE 18:14 <localhorst> - we will sponsor akademy and guadec, of course also a lot of ppl from SUSE/Novell will be there 18:14 <localhorst> - Froscon: we try to be there, stay tuned 18:14 @<henne> _Marcus_: look out of the window! 18:15 <localhorst> i have no overview atm what talks we will have, Beineri do you know for akademy? 18:15 <apokryphos> no opensuse talk ;) 18:15 <Beineri> Lubos will make one about Composited Desktop iirc 18:16 <Beineri> and there will be some KDE Developement on openSUSE Bof or so I heard :-) 18:16 <localhorst> anyway, we will setup pages in the wiki for each event as usuall 18:16 @<henne> cschum/adrian are going trying to have a BOF on KDE development with openSUSE 18:16 @<henne> are there any event we are missing? 18:16 @<henne> events* 18:16 <apokryphos> nice 18:16 <localhorst> bierfest! 18:17 <localhorst> :-) 18:17 * henne wont miss that 18:17 @<henne> okay. any questions regarding events? 18:18 @<henne> nothing? 18:18 <localhorst> maybe one thing, please look at my mail on project about linuxtag, this is also for all other events in the future 18:18 <AJaeger> just one comment: "We are sponsoring" means that "Novell" sponsors - not that openSUSE sponsors. 18:18 <localhorst> arent we all a little bit novell? :-) 18:18 <aka_druid_> localhorst: yeah, sometimes Im really bitter 18:18 <AJaeger> localhorst: Just a wee bit. 18:19 * henne wonders what the difference is. novell is just a subset of opensuse :) 18:19 <dl9pf> :) 18:19 <bill-barriere> hehe 18:19 <localhorst> put that on the frontpage henne! :.-) 18:19 <apokryphos> henne: not the other way around? :o 18:19 @<henne> oki doki. no questions for events anymore? 18:20 @<henne> any other general questions? 18:20 <aka_druid_> henne: how are you doing? 18:20 <aka_druid_> sorry sorry 18:20 <aka_druid_> :o) 18:20 @<henne> AI aka_druid_: think of a new joke for the next meeting 18:20 <aka_druid_> ACK! 18:21 <apokryphos> worth raising the ML issue, perhaps? 18:21 <aka_druid_> apokryphos: which? 18:21 @<henne> the ML issue? 18:21 <aka_druid_> there are so many... 18:21 <bill-barriere> apokryphos, A issues? Oo 18:21 <apokryphos> couldn't we make the -offtopic list public and are there possibly more moderators that could help out? 18:21 <apokryphos> public, as in, public archives 18:21 @<henne> apokryphos: why do we need that? 18:21 <cb400f> it's on the wiki page now at least 18:21 <bill-barriere> well its not like it was worth archiving 18:22 @<henne> i thought the purpose of that list is chatting. this shouldnt be archived.... 18:22 <apokryphos> I mean, silly things in opensuse@ are one thing, but it's even more counterproductive when it goes over onto the -project list 18:22 <cb400f> henne: probably many use the archieve as a list of available lists 18:23 @<henne> i can make an entry there 18:23 <apokryphos> henne: but it's still a mailing list 18:23 @<henne> that points to a webpage that say: "no archive. sorry!" 18:23 <apokryphos> mailing lists should be archived... 18:23 <apokryphos> perhaps it would encourage more people to talk on there as well 18:24 * henne fails to see why 18:24 @<henne> i see the point that someone is looking trough the list as authorative list on what we have 18:25 @<henne> but why would i need to archive general offtopic chatting? 18:25 <apokryphos> perhaps I shouldn't talk for everyone else, but I always look at a ML archive generally before signing up 18:25 <apokryphos> it's not really the most important issue though 18:25 <localhorst> everthing is archived ... it's 2007, wake up! :-) 18:25 @<henne> lets try the empty page first okay? 18:25 <apokryphos> (important issue is how to filter more stuff onto that list instead of opensuse@ or o-project and about moderation) 18:25 <apokryphos> ok 18:26 @<henne> apokryphos: i already work on that with some people 18:26 <aka_druid_> henne: I want a shotgun 18:26 <bill-barriere> :) 18:26 @<henne> there will be 2 or 3 peepz that will have the power to officially end a thread 18:26 <localhorst> with a shotgun? 18:26 @<henne> something like operators in irc 18:27 * Nix wonders if that will actually work :-) 18:27 * AJaeger thinks we should at least give it a try ;-) 18:27 <aka_druid_> henne: jdd wants to be one,Im sure 18:27 @<henne> Nix: it did when chris or i actually had the time to read the list 18:27 <cb400f> will people be "warned" beforehand? 18:28 <aka_druid_> cb400f: with a shotgun? 18:28 @<henne> cb400f: sure. we will use common sense there... 18:28 <cb400f> perhaps the welcome message could say "support only", offtopic will be halted, use o-offtopic@ for that 18:29 @<henne> cb400f: if you write something up and send it to me ill include it 18:29 <aka_druid_> that solves almost all problems, I guess 18:29 <aka_druid_> there will be only the "normal" noise alexey and other IWEs introduce 18:29 <aka_druid_> !iwe 18:29 @<henne> anything else we need to look at? 18:29 @<henne> or any other questions? 18:29 <bill-barriere> heh, alexey hasnt come close to M9 yet 18:30 <apokryphos> any news on the board + guidelines? I guess they're still being tinkered with? 18:30 * cb400f eagerly awaits draft 2 18:30 <localhorst> cornelius will send a new draft soon ... 18:30 @<henne> we are looking into way to implement this 18:30 <aka_druid_> 4 drafts make a final, dont forget 18:30 <aka_druid_> (dont ask me where Ive decided on that rule) 18:30 <apokryphos> cool 18:31 @<henne> ways* 18:31 <Beineri> cb400f: did you say that you want a second draft? ;-) 18:31 <cb400f> hehe.. I'm demanding 18:32 @<henne> cornelius will send it and then we have to discuss how to kick that off 18:32 @<henne> i guess we will make a proposal how and then lets see if everybody agrees :) 18:33 @<henne> anything else? 18:34 @<henne> then we are finished. if you have anything else dont hesitate to discuss it here or on the apropiate mailinglist 18:34 <aka_druid_> EOM