Meetings/Status Meeting 2007-04-25/transcript

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(18:00:36) <henne>	Welcome to the openSUSE Status Meeting!
(18:00:40) <henne>	This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around
                  	openSUSE.
(18:00:46) <henne>	The topics for this meeting are:
(18:00:50) <aka_druid_>	henne: you know I do =)
(18:00:55) <henne>	1. Status Distribution
(18:00:55) <henne>	2. Status Communication
(18:00:55) <henne>	3. Status Buildservice
(18:00:55) <henne>	4. Status Events
(18:00:55) <henne>	5. Questions & Answers wiki
(18:00:57) <henne>	6. Questions & Answers channel
(18:01:12) <henne>	first topic. status distribution
(18:01:15) <henne>	AJaeger?
(18:01:21) <AJaeger>	Hi everybody!
(18:01:47) <AJaeger>	We've moved Alpha4 by one week, so there will be 5 weeks between alpha3
                    	and alpha5.
(18:02:13) <AJaeger>	Michl19 and myself are in the final stages of the schedule discussion and 
                    	I hope to have something to send around before the next meeting.
(18:02:44) <AJaeger>	Currently the major change is the switch to TeXlive  - from teTeX.
(18:03:10) <AJaeger>	It's done for most of the trivial stuff, now come some more esoteric
                    	packages.
(18:03:36) <AJaeger>	Please ask your questions - and I'll check what's on the wiki as well.
(18:03:46) <Beineri>	AJaeger: what the date for Alpha4 now?
(18:04:03) <AJaeger>	Beineri: 5 weeks after Alpha3 ;-)
(18:04:08) <AJaeger>	Let me check my file...
(18:04:25) <Beineri>	May 16 says opensuse.org
(18:04:43) <AJaeger>	Thu, 17th of May is it then (16th is the wednesday).
(18:05:00) <_Marcus_>	note that this is a public holiday in germany. ;)
(18:05:22) <AJaeger>	Ah - so, 16th is correct!  We release a day earlier than normal!  Thanks
                    	_Marcus_!
(18:05:40) <AJaeger>	I was so in the "Thursday is openSUSE day" routine ;-)
(18:06:02) <AJaeger>	Dunes asked about 10.3 branding - and I'd like to point out the new
                    	mailing list opensuse-artwork where this should be discussed.
(18:06:34) <AJaeger>	Gabriel asks about the gnome-menu.
(18:06:36) <apokryphos>	there's bug 263881 which addresses the problem
(18:06:40) <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 263881 in openSUSE 10.3 (Other) "non suse chameleon branding"
                   	[Normal,Reopened] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881
(18:07:03) <AJaeger>	Gabriel, I suggest to ask on the opensuse-gnome mailing list.
(18:07:35) <AJaeger>	mesmero asks about whether WTF and yakuake can be added to the distro.
(18:07:40) <AJaeger>	Can anybody tell me what these are?
(18:07:47) <Beineri>	yakuake is part of the distro, though not on the 5 CDs/download-DVD
(18:07:54) <bill-barriere> wtf is a acronym lookup thingy
(18:07:57) <Beineri>	but FTP and DVD9
(18:08:06) <henne>	wtf was part of bsd-games
(18:08:11) <henne>	which is dropped
(18:08:25) <henne>	erm is it?
(18:08:35) <aka_druid_>	AJaeger: yakuake is a term that drops downin the screen, like a quake
                       	console, and it is in guru repo
(18:08:45) <Beineri>	is it such popular that it has to be in the distro?
(18:08:54) <Beineri>	wtf
(18:09:03) <aka_druid_>	no, wtf is a waste of time
(18:09:12) <bill-barriere>	its huge ...
(18:09:27) <bill-barriere>	got a oversised db comming with it
(18:09:36) <bill-barriere>	they have it over at fedora
(18:09:39) <henne>	wtf wtf is in bsd-games
(18:09:46) <notlocalhorst>	lol
(18:09:55) <henne>	dont know about the db
(18:10:06) <henne>	so next question
(18:10:24) <AJaeger>	So, I see not real high demand right now - let's handle those via guru or 
                    	the buildservice.
(18:10:46) <Beineri>	those? yakuake is part of the distro... *repeat*
(18:10:54) <AJaeger>	Kevin asks about some branding mockup and I would suggest to discuss this 
                    	further on the opensuse-artwork mailing list.
(18:10:58) <henne>	wtf too *repeat*
(18:11:25) <henne>	AJaeger: the question is if we will have a new installer in 10.3
(18:11:27) <apokryphos>	all of it is planned to appear except the different chameleon used there
(18:11:44) <apokryphos>	ohh
(18:11:51) <henne>	this will not be the case AFAIK
(18:11:54) <AJaeger>	Marc mentions that performance is a problem - we do look into some parts. 
                    	but his comment that "system is not enough responsive." is something I 
                    	cannot understand and need more details.
(18:12:26) <AJaeger>	henne: Any pointer to that mockup?
(18:12:27) <bill-barriere>	henne, its not in bsd-game ... wtf is a 63meg package .
(18:12:30) <apokryphos>	there've been some discussions and it seems that it would at least require 
                       	qt4
(18:12:59) <AJaeger>	So, let me say that nothing is planned there yet for 10.3.
(18:13:17) <Beineri>	AJaeger: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Os103-installer-mockup.png
(18:13:17) <henne>	AJaeger: http://en.opensuse.org/Pimp_My_Installer
(18:13:19) <AJaeger>	RedDwarf asks about NTFS-3G - we're still evaluating this.
(18:14:05) <AJaeger>	Beineri, Henne: Thanks.  Those mockups look cool - but not yet on the 
                   	radar for 10.3 :-(
(18:14:05) <henne>	bill-barriere: from your description its sounds like the same app
(18:14:30) <henne>	and it requires a qt4 yast
(18:14:36) <Beineri>	bill-barriere: in http://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/misc/suser-crauch/10.2/noarch/ 
                    	where the requesters points to, wtf is a 11KB package
(18:14:40) <henne>	which is also not on the radar
(18:14:59) <notlocalhorst>	bill-barriere: hmm it is in bsd-games, and works on 10.2 ... just 
                        	installed
(18:15:07) <adrianS>	the port is maybe easy, we just waited to do so to be in sync with our 
                    	default KDE
(18:15:25) <AJaeger>	Scott Couston asks about the number of open bugs - there are indeed far 
                    	too many open ones :-(
(18:15:35) <bill-barriere>	ok i'll just hide then
(18:15:39) <apokryphos>	adrianS: 10.3 will have qt4 for sure almost, right?
(18:15:39) <henne>	AJaeger: feel free to fix mine :P
(18:16:00) <AJaeger>	apokryphos: qt4 is already part of 10.2 - but only used in a few places.
(18:16:00) <henne>	apokryphos: 10.2 has qt4 already...
(18:16:05) <adrianS>	apokryphos: the package is there, but the default desktop will still use 
                    	qt3
(18:16:21) <adrianS>	KDE4 will not be ready for 10.3
(18:16:35) <Beineri>	s/KDE4/KDE 4.0/ ;-)
(18:16:40) <AJaeger>	Speaking about KDE in 10.3: We sat together this week and the plan is to 
                    	have KDE3 - but selected KDE4 applications on top of it.
(18:16:42) <aka_druid_>	AJaeger: there are too many open bugs because you havent cancelled alexey 
                       	emerenko bugzilla account yet
(18:16:51) <bill-barriere>	mouarf
(18:16:58) <AJaeger>	aka_druid_: There are some more that I have to cancel - including my 
                    	own ;-)
(18:17:26) <henne>	next topic?
(18:17:39) <AJaeger>	I'll followup to Scott via email...
(18:17:53) <henne>	2. Status Communication
(18:17:56) <henne>	notlocalhorst?
(18:18:14) <notlocalhorst>	mom
(18:18:21) <notlocalhorst>	- wiki no time, same as last meeting
(18:18:29) <notlocalhorst>	- new list opensuse-artwork
(18:18:39) <notlocalhorst>	hmm ... i guess thats all?
(18:18:53) <apokryphos>	any update on the news.o.o?
(18:18:55) <henne>	- moved list opensuse-usability -> opensuse-ux
(18:19:05) <cseader>	what is news.o.o
(18:19:22) <adrianS>	news.o.o might be created using wordpress and hosted in provo
(18:19:23) <notlocalhorst>	apokryphos: yes, we talked about it and it's wip now
(18:19:44) <notlocalhorst>	like coolaudio or what the site is called
(18:19:44) <henne>	ok next topic?
(18:19:45) <AJaeger>	cseader: news.o.o is a blog with new announcements in it...
(18:19:46) <adrianS>	so, imaging www.novell.com/coolblogs in opensuse style
(18:19:55) <metavoid>	notlocalhorst, could you please resolve in some way bug #264667
(18:20:01) <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 264667 in openSUSE.org (wiki) "Interwiki redirects don't 
                   	work" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264667
(18:20:14) <notlocalhorst>	metavoid: mom, let me look at it
(18:20:14) <cseader>	cool
(18:20:31) <notlocalhorst>	but not an replacement for other blogs, just for news ...
(18:20:32) <aka_druid_>	adrianS: I like the planet agregator. Could it be agregated like that?
(18:20:57) <aka_druid_>	would conflict (or complement) with planetsuse.org
(18:21:06) <notlocalhorst>	no, we don't want that
(18:21:26) <henne>	why would we. theres planetsuse
(18:21:27) <apokryphos>	nah, should be a quality control news site :)
(18:21:32) <aka_druid_>	notlocalhorst: ok, so just empty blogs with news, like coolblogs
(18:21:39) <apokryphos>	I guess this question goes in communication as well:
(18:21:52) <notlocalhorst>	right ... planetsuse rocks, why copy it
(18:21:55) <apokryphos>	why is some of openSUSE's worst PR coming from Novell guys?
(18:22:04) <notlocalhorst>	lol
(18:22:05) <aka_druid_>	notlocalhorst: it has its problems... lets not comment right now
(18:22:15) <apokryphos>	first it was Ted, now this:
                       	http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/11546/1103/1/0/
(18:22:16) <henne>	apokryphos: specify
(18:22:17) <cseader>	really from Novell guys
(18:22:31) <cseader>	I'm a novell guy and i have not seen this
(18:22:37) <notlocalhorst>	metavoid: i thought darix answerd on the list that this is a 
                          	default setting and he will not change it
(18:22:42) *	henne is a novell guy too
(18:22:48) <apokryphos>	there are two gems from it:
(18:22:54) <apokryphos>	* Exactly. It’ll depend on whether or not they want to go with a consumer 
                       	or business offering first. They might want to go after consumers first – 
                       	if so, they might choose Ubuntu, if it’s business, they might choose us, 
                       	but it’s all still in discussion, and nothing can be confirmed at this 
                       	stage.
(18:23:02) <aka_druid_>	I remember when redhat told its users to use windows in their desktops... 
                       	I ahve to say that if I see some novell guy saying that I woudlnt be 
                       	surprised
(18:23:05) <metavoid>	notlocalhorst, ok, then i close it
(18:23:10) <notlocalhorst>	metavoid: thx
(18:23:17) <aka_druid_>	"hey, you wont buy SLES? Go ubuntu!"
(18:23:21) <apokryphos>	 *
(18:23:21) <apokryphos>	 I could see us in the future taking the SuSe Linux Enterprise Desktop to 
                       	the consumer market, as Linux matures and we ramp up our support staff. I 
                       	could see us taking SLED to the consumer market. But we will not be 
                       	calling it Nubuntu.
(18:23:25) <henne>	gah people
(18:23:25) <apokryphos>	 We do have Open SuSe, which is for technical enthusiasts. Not for my mom, 
                       	but for tech enthusiasts.
(18:23:36) <adrianS>	apokryphos: Justin speaks there for Novell and SUSE Linux enterprise, but 
                    	not for openSUSE
(18:23:40) <aka_druid_>	henne: this is a zoology question. Its called control the monkeys
(18:23:43) <cseader>	Don't use Windows for your desktop
(18:23:51) <cseader>	Use SUSE
(18:23:58) <apokryphos>	adrianS: yeah, he says that Ubuntu would be the desktop option, not
                       	openSUSE?
(18:24:03) *	bill-barriere smell henne brain starting to heat up
(18:24:09) <apokryphos>	the second one is worse though
(18:24:34) <apokryphos>	they're both even worse when considered in context
(18:24:35) <notlocalhorst>	ok, maybe send him a mail with the thoughts of the community about 
                          	the article?
(18:24:41) <cseader>	ha hah Nubuntu
(18:24:41) <apokryphos>	I did, no response yet
(18:24:42) <aka_druid_>	adrianS: thats kinda funny, you say like novell would need to keep a big 
                       	separation from opensuse, like it was some kind of a problem for them
(18:25:18) <henne>	aka_druid_: that has just something to do with where people come from and 
                  	what they do. perspectives are pretty normal for human beeings
(18:25:21) <AJaeger>	aka_druid_: Could you write this together in some text, send it to me - 
                    	and I'll forward it to Justin?
(18:25:33) <aka_druid_>	AJaeger: Ive send one to bruce lowry
(18:25:33) <henne>	you cant expect that everybody has the same
(18:25:36) <aka_druid_>	angry one
(18:25:41) <aka_druid_>	I mean, my normal one
(18:26:10) <apokryphos>	he's speaking on behalf of Novell; perspective and subjectivism doesn't 
                       	really apply here
(18:26:21) <Uranellus>	AJaeger: this might be a little laste but did the dev team look at 
                      	ubuntu's new init system (I don't know wether it worth while) just 
                      	interested ..
(18:26:54) <notlocalhorst>	Uranellus: darix have a package in the buildservice
(18:26:56) <AJaeger>	Uranellus: Some of us looked and don't think it's the right way.
(18:27:06) <henne>	apokryphos: to a certain degree thats true. hes just speaking his mind 
                  	there. its an interview not a press release dude
(18:27:07) <Uranellus>	AJaeger: notlocalhorst: thanks :)
(18:27:07) <AJaeger>	Uranellus: I don't remember the details.
(18:27:11) <adrianS>	apokryphos: He simply says there that Ubuntu is possible in end - consumer 
                    	market, while it isn'
(18:27:16) <adrianS>	t in enterprise
(18:27:21) <cseader>	what did they do with the init system
(18:27:33) <henne>	next topic?
(18:27:34) <notlocalhorst>	cseader: so far nothing ...
(18:27:46) <cseader>	lol
(18:27:47) <apokryphos>	adrianS: well he says that's what they'd go for if the consumer market was 
                       	what they wanted; why not openSUSE?
(18:27:55) <notlocalhorst>	cseader: sorry ... look for upstart ... iirc
(18:28:06) <cseader>	ok
(18:28:12) <apokryphos>	adrianS: but like I said, the other one hurts more: openSUSE is only for 
                       	tech enthusiasts and not normal people
(18:28:15) <adrianS>	apokryphos: as I said before, you inverse it ;)
(18:28:51) <adrianS>	He says that there is only a chance for Ubuntu, if they target end
                    	consumers
(18:29:03) <adrianS>	that is his intention at least, as far as I understand it
(18:29:22) <adrianS>	But i think this is a bit nitpicking
(18:29:26) <cseader>	I think SLED 10 could target consumers
(18:29:58) <aka_druid_>	adrianS: if we are having those interpretations problems, maybe the text
                       	was poorly written or poorly said?
(18:30:12) <cseader>	Just think going to the store and finding your favorite 3rd party
                    	application like adobe and there are boxed version for Linux
(18:30:21) <henne>	gah
(18:30:28) <cseader>	:)
(18:31:04) <apokryphos>	I shouldn't have mentioned the first comment; we got bogged down on that
                       	one ;)
(18:31:13) <henne>	can we get over this? yes he said some things you can misinterpret. yes
                  	people talked to him about that. yes we will talk to him again
(18:31:29) <cseader>	excellent
(18:31:31) <cseader>	move on
(18:31:48) <aka_druid_>	henne: and we will still have to keep looking after novell monkeys, so
                       	they dont damage opensuse, put that on in the end of the solution
(18:31:55) <apokryphos>	you're going to talk to him about things we've misinterprted? Oh come on!
(18:32:07) <cseader>	oh boy
(18:32:14) <cseader>	i hope we don't damage it
(18:32:20) <apokryphos>	it's pretty clear English; I don't mind if we move on but don't pretend
                       	that it doesn't say what it does; it's pretty clear English
(18:32:21) <cseader>	Thats not the intent
(18:32:25) <aka_druid_>	friendly fire cant be turned off in real life...
(18:33:37) <henne>	apokryphos: AJaeger said he will talk to him about the interview. what
                  	more do you want?
(18:33:56) <apokryphos>	nothing now, let's move on :)
(18:34:08) <henne>	good
(18:34:20) <henne>	next topic: Status BuildService
(18:34:29) <henne>	adrianS?
(18:34:40) <adrianS>	okay, first most important
(18:34:44) <adrianS>	we have it stable again :)
(18:34:49) <cseader>	Yay
(18:34:52) <bill-barriere>	lies
(18:34:58) <notlocalhorst>	lol
(18:35:14) <adrianS>	and since some certain team owns us some service now, because we tested
                    	their stuff, I have the hope we can fix also the remaining
(18:35:22) <adrianS>	loopback device issues quite soon :)
(18:35:48) <adrianS>	after that, we should have the most stable and secure service since ever
(18:36:02) <adrianS>	apart from that, Michael is working on bootstraping
(18:36:17) <adrianS>	so that we can build Factory in the build service after adding some more
                    	hardware
(18:36:27) <adrianS>	which seems also to happen in time :)
(18:36:41) <henne>	in time for what?
(18:36:49) <adrianS>	bauersman: do you want to say something about the web front / api ?
(18:37:08) <adrianS>	henne: not too far away
(18:37:13) <cseader>	api?
(18:37:15) <cseader>	really
(18:37:33) <adrianS>	cseader: what do you mean with api ?
(18:37:46) <cseader>	i was asking the same thing
(18:37:52) <adrianS>	api.opensuse.org
(18:37:55) <cseader>	you said web front / api ?
(18:38:04) <cseader>	excellent
(18:38:05) <adrianS>	is a REST apie, where you can control the source and build jobs
(18:38:16) <adrianS>	the web interface is just one interface for it
(18:38:22) <adrianS>	osc is the command line interface
(18:38:22) <cseader>	cool
(18:38:27) <cseader>	right
(18:38:29) <henne>	bauersman obviously is smart enough to be already in a beergarden
(18:38:35) <cseader>	:)
(18:38:46) <adrianS>	k, he was working on bug fixes mostly
(18:38:51) <henne>	hes said hes working on small bugfixes and permission handling afair
(18:38:58) <Beineri>	cseader: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs
(18:38:58) <adrianS>	and he  prepares a rails version upgrade
(18:39:04) <adrianS>	so we will soon need 1.2
(18:39:16) <adrianS>	a deploymend with rails 1.2 is planned next week
(18:39:21) <henne>	anything else regarding the buildservice?
(18:39:27) <adrianS>	I think we are done
(18:39:36) <henne>	any questions?
(18:39:48) <cseader>	yes
(18:40:02) <henne>	regarding the buildservice?
(18:40:05) <cseader>	When will we included other archs like ppc and ia64
(18:40:27) <adrianS>	we will support them, if there is a sponsor
(18:40:37) <henne>	which is work in progress right?
(18:40:49) <bill-barriere>	cseader, when you are going to fournish the required hardware ... ?
(18:40:49) <adrianS>	So it is up to IBM, Intel, SGI, ... to support it
(18:40:53) <cseader>	do we have any sponsors?
(18:40:53) <adrianS>	yes, we talk with them
(18:41:13) <adrianS>	cseader: the existing hardware was already sponsored by AMD
(18:41:17) <cseader>	I can't imagine that Novell would not sponsor this
(18:41:33) <cseader>	How hard can it be to get hardware
(18:41:37) <henne>	well try again :P
(18:41:42) <cseader>	I guess the ia64 stuff is expensive
(18:41:59) <michl19>	Novell sponsors already a lot and in urgency I'm sure we can get more hw
                    	from Novell
(18:42:15) <cseader>	And SUSE germany has a mainframe, I'm sure they could dedicate a zLinus
                    	machine for this
(18:42:23) <michl19>	but get backing by more sponsors I think will help the project as well
(18:42:32) <adrianS>	Novell sponsors SAN, bandwidth and workforce
(18:42:39) <cseader>	ok
(18:42:44) <adrianS>	and what is also important
(18:42:58) <adrianS>	it is good for us, if other large companies do stand behind us visible :)
(18:43:02) <cseader>	Have we thought of leveraging the mainframe in germany for some build
                    	service stuff
(18:43:47) <notlocalhorst>	i guess it's also usefull for some other stuff right now :-)
(18:43:55) <henne>	heating yes
(18:44:01) <cseader>	I would test a few things for you
(18:44:01) <bill-barriere>	:)
(18:44:14) <cseader>	Id like to build some things on zSeries
(18:44:16) <henne>	cseader: we did. its not possible that easy
(18:44:29) <cseader>	really?
(18:44:33) <cseader>	well dang
(18:44:48) <henne>	net seperation, security etc. etc.
(18:44:53) <cseader>	ah
(18:44:54) <cseader>	gotcha
(18:45:02) <henne>	okay next topic?
(18:45:15) <henne>	next topic: Status Events.
(18:45:18) <henne>	notlocalhorst?
(18:45:18) <notlocalhorst>	yo
(18:45:21) <notlocalhorst>	- linuxtag: same as last meeting, schedule is online
(18:45:21) <notlocalhorst>	http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/events/vp-mittwoch.html
(18:45:21) <notlocalhorst>	(the cyan row at the right)
(18:45:21) <notlocalhorst>	AI: mlasars : make wiki page, announcement
(18:45:21) <notlocalhorst>	- LWE SF: applied for a .org booth and a talk
(18:45:22) <notlocalhorst>	- Bamberg (03.05): /me opensuse presentation
(18:45:24) <notlocalhorst>	- Salzburg (08.05): /me: opensuse presentation & Xen workshop
(18:45:44) <notlocalhorst>	thats all so far
(18:45:48) <notlocalhorst>	questions
(18:46:00) <cseader>	sorry gotta bring this up, have we thought of making an internal novell
                    	build service so that we can do zSeries
(18:46:31) <henne>	cseader: we have that. autobuild
(18:46:41) <cseader>	How can i get access
(18:46:42) <adrianS>	not really, but this is not a topic for here
(18:46:43) <henne>	questions regarding events?
(18:46:44) <cseader>	we can talk offline
(18:46:54) <henne>	yes do that
(18:47:12) <henne>	okay next topic: Q&A wiki
(18:47:22) <henne>	afaics theres only one questions left
(18:47:28) <henne>	about the open fate
(18:47:46) <henne>	anyone knows any details?
(18:47:48) <adrianS>	the state here is that there are two options in general
(18:48:03) <adrianS>	the question is, why want openSUSE.org to have a fate ?
(18:48:19) <adrianS>	it is used at Novell internally to coordinate the work
(18:48:24) <notlocalhorst>	without fate live is useless
(18:48:26) <cseader>	yeah can't we just put featuer requests in bugzilla
(18:48:27) <apokryphos>	a public project-tracking would be nice for openSUSE
(18:48:45) <apokryphos>	cseader: it's not ideal for specification/blueprint things in general
(18:48:46) <henne>	apokryphos: can you specifiy project tracking?
(18:48:54) <cseader>	gotcha
(18:48:58) <apokryphos>	for example:
(18:49:04) <henne>	what would you want to do
(18:49:35) <apokryphos>	a lot of openSUSE projects are currently using the wiki for this project
                       	tracking which is not really ideal; specifically: KIWI, Zypp, YaST, Build
                       	Service, Artwork etc etc
(18:49:54) <cseader>	ok
(18:50:31) <cseader>	i understand now
(18:50:35) <cseader>	i can see where it flaws
(18:50:51) <henne>	the question is about fate
(18:50:55) <benJIman>	cseader: non-novell employees can't even see users to assign
                     	bugs/features to
(18:51:00) <henne>	which is a feature tracking tool
(18:51:16) <apokryphos>	feature/project -- I mean them in the same way here
(18:51:22) <henne>	okay
(18:51:42) <henne>	so you would want to track features. anything else?
(18:51:42) <cseader>	ok
(18:52:38) <adrianS>	or is it more important to look into fate entries from novell ?
(18:53:53) <henne>	looks like this needs a little bit more time
(18:53:57) <apokryphos>	general project movement, goals etc
(18:54:00) <apokryphos>	yeah
(18:54:16) <apokryphos>	adrianS: what do you mean?
(18:54:16) <henne>	who wants to start a thread on opensuse-project?
(18:54:28) <henne>	adrianS: can you ask klaas?
(18:54:48) <adrianS>	I think the requester for a fate.opensuse.org should do it
(18:55:03) <henne>	that was klaas afair ;)
(18:55:05) <adrianS>	Klaas will follow the thread and answer questions
(18:55:05) <apokryphos>	I should be able to do it; I'll hunt down the wiki pages as examples
(18:55:13) <adrianS>	nope, it came from external
(18:55:29) <adrianS>	if no one wants to use it, we do not have to spend time on it ...
(18:56:02) <apokryphos>	sure
(18:56:10) <henne>	well if we dont ask if someone wants to use it then we wont get an
                  	answer :)
(18:56:21) <notlocalhorst>	right
(18:56:27) <apokryphos>	it's easier to use that than a wiki page anyway
(18:56:29) <adrianS>	I thought there was a request on the wiki ?
(18:56:46) <henne>	no there is an really old action item in bugzilla
(18:57:06) <adrianS>	ah ...
(18:57:08) <apokryphos>	though quite a few of us were talking about it in here the other day
(18:57:10) <adrianS>	from Klaas ?
(18:57:26) <apokryphos>	C. Boltz
(18:57:27) <henne>	adrianS: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223290
(18:57:31) <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 223290 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] better wishlist
                   	handling using FATE" [Normal,New]
(18:57:59) <adrianS>	I see ... so Christian would be the candidate
(18:58:07) <henne>	so the initial question was how to handle package wishlists better
(18:58:09) <adrianS>	or Francis :)
(18:58:10) <henne>	no no no no
(18:58:16) <adrianS>	but the bugreport explains it already ...
(18:58:17) <henne>	cboltz just creates AIs
(18:58:32) <apokryphos>	adrianS: I don't mind doing it with more examples and link to the bug etc
(18:58:48) <henne>	oki doki. apokryphos it is then :)
(18:58:51) <adrianS>	apokryphos: that would be great
(18:59:10) <adrianS>	it would be quite some work to set it up
(18:59:21) <adrianS>	so we may can also invest this somewhere else
(18:59:45) <henne>	sure. so lets see if people desperately want this
(19:00:04) <apokryphos>	cool
(19:00:10) <henne>	okay. next topic is general Q&A
(19:00:25) <henne>	any general question from you guys?
(19:00:32) <notlocalhorst>	when is this meeting over?
(19:00:47) <henne>	when the sun is down
(19:00:48) <apokryphos>	there is the bug question still?
(19:01:04) <henne>	bug question?
(19:01:07) <bill-barriere>	notlocalhorst, thats a good one ...
(19:01:13) <apokryphos>	from Scott
(19:01:14) <henne>	the one from scott?
(19:01:25) <henne>	AJaeger said he will follow up by mail
(19:01:35) <AJaeger>	apokryphos: I just send an email to opensuse-project on that one.
(19:01:39) <apokryphos>	cool
(19:01:51) <henne>	anything else?
(19:01:59) <AJaeger>	apokryphos: If you like to discuss this further, go ahead!
(19:02:07) <apokryphos>	AJaeger: just a note also that there was a discussion a while back about
                       	having a 'bug triage weekend' with a lot of community guys
(19:02:26) <apokryphos>	of course it would be best to have such a thing when we draw a little
                       	closer to the release
(19:02:32) <AJaeger>	apokryphos: Yeah, thanks for reminding me...
(19:02:45) <bill-barriere>	henne, what kind of beer will it be ?
(19:03:17) <henne>	okay so no more questions
(19:03:22) <henne>	So that was it. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the
                  	appropriate mailinglist.
(19:03:26) <henne>	Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck!