18:00 @<henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 18:00 @<henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 18:00 @<henne> The agenda for this meeting is: 18:00 @<henne> 1. Old Action Items 18:00 @<henne> 2. Status Questions 18:00 @<henne> 3. Questions & Answers wiki/channel 18:00 @<henne> Lets go!

18:00 @<henne> first topic. old action items 18:01 @<henne> you can find a list at http://tinyurl.com/2pr9qs 18:01 @<henne> Bug #267437 18:01 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 267437 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] @opensuse.org mail addresses" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=267437 18:02 @<henne> is there anything left to do? 18:02 @<henne> AJaeger? 18:02 <AJaeger> That's me - we have now everything in place to give those out. 18:02 <AJaeger> This can be closed, the infrastructure is setup and the board will give out addresses to valuable contributors. 18:02 @<henne> okay. then close it please :) 18:02 * AJaeger closes it now. 18:02 <Beineri> AJaeger: whom to bribe? 18:02 <AJaeger> Beineri: The openSUSE board ;) 18:03 <Beineri> AJaeger: how many forms to fill out? 18:03 @<henne> 7 18:03 @<henne> like every form 18:03 <AJaeger> Beineri: If you insist on filling them out: 42! ;) 18:03 <AJaeger> For those that do not ask: Zero! 18:03 @<henne> Bug #223290 18:03 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 223290 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] better wishlist handling using FATE" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223290 18:03 @<henne> is there any progress here? 18:04 <Beineri> AJaeger: will you explain the rules / procedure to get one somewhere? 18:04 <AJaeger> Beineri: Yes, I will - wait for the minutes from the last openSUSE meeting... 18:04 <Beineri> + conditions 18:05 @<henne> so who is driving openfate? 18:05 @<henne> cwh still? 18:05 <michl19> dragotin is driving openFate 18:05 <notlocalhorst> klaas i guess 18:05 <michl19> and cwh 18:06 @<henne> i take it nobody knows the status right? :) 18:06 <michl19> dragotin ran into some obstacles 18:06 @<henne> like any ETA or issues 18:06 <notlocalhorst> at least i know that they are working on it 18:06 <michl19> and is currently solving them 18:06 @<henne> okay 18:06 <michl19> kind of buraucracy issues 18:06 @<henne> ill ask him about an ETa and put it into the whiteboard 18:06 <michl19> I hope 18:07 <bgerber> Great I really want to use and test it. 18:07 @<henne> Bug #343444 18:07 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 343444 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] bugzilla wizard to qualify bugreports" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=343444 18:07 <bgerber> thanks 18:07 @<henne> same story here.... 18:07 @<henne> trust/rating system is still blocked. as is the babel wiki 18:08 @<henne> (164761 and 293726) 18:08 <darix> wiki will be touched in the next few weeks 18:08 @<henne> babel wiki? 18:08 <rhorstkoetter> im working on a raw concept for the trust/rating system 18:08 <darix> trust system is under research by rhorstkoetter 18:09 @<henne> okay. any ETA on that? 18:09 <rhorstkoetter> not yet 18:09 <rhorstkoetter> i have to discuss some more details with adrian here 18:10 @<henne> cool. assigned to you then 18:10 <rhorstkoetter> im also working on a user rating system for the whole opensuse community and one has to consider how to achieve this best 18:10 <rhorstkoetter> ok henne 18:11 @<henne> Bug #173961 18:11 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 173961 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] openSUSE merchandising" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=173961 18:11 @<henne> michl19: still on track for tomorrow? :) 18:11 <darix> i work on that bug while we are speaking 18:11 <michl19> kind of 12 minutes ago it was still on track 18:12 @<henne> oki doki 18:12 @<henne> notlocalhorst: Bug #238355 18:12 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 238355 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] status of cn wiki" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238355 18:12 @<henne> the neverending story... 18:12 <notlocalhorst> good new, the wiki is copied, dns is still missing, should be done soon 18:13 @<henne> eta? :) 18:13 <darix> henne: when its done! does that count?:p 18:13 <notlocalhorst> hmm ... should be not that much work for me, let's say one week to finetune and announce week after it 18:14 <notlocalhorst> so week 21.01.2007 18:14 @<henne> okay 18:14 <notlocalhorst> not this week for sure, i try to survive fosdem and linuxtag planing 18:14 @<henne> Bug #238350 18:14 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 238350 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] unmaintained wikis" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238350 18:15 @<henne> anything new regarding the unmaintained wikis? 18:15 @<henne> did the call for maintainers resolve anything? 18:15 <notlocalhorst> now thats a neverending story .. as i said before: no news, nobody wants to maintain, banner is on the wikis 18:15 <notlocalhorst> nope 18:15 @<henne> shouldnt we shut them down then? 18:16 <notlocalhorst> i prefer to have at least the start page with download links ... we should be able to maintain that even without understanding the language 18:16 <notlocalhorst> but with a fat banner 18:17 @<henne> i guess the banner does not help if someone deep-link's 18:17 <notlocalhorst> a 404 also not 18:17 @<henne> or google 18:17 <notlocalhorst> let me think of a better solution 18:17 <notlocalhorst> maybe only mainpage and the rest redirects ... 18:17 @<henne> okay 18:18 @<henne> thats it then for action items

18:18 @<henne> second topic: Status Questions 18:18 * adrianS excuses for late joining ... sometimes it is hard to leave the company .... 18:18 @<henne> you can find the status mails linked from the wiki page 18:18 <cboltz> BTW: Which wikis are affected? The whiteboard says is,es, vi - but IIRC is and es have/had? new maintainers. 18:19 <Beineri> AJaeger: any status updates from the board? :-) 18:19 <notlocalhorst> cboltz_: vi is, but i have to check progress on the others 18:19 <Beineri> (other than email) 18:20 <AJaeger> Beineri: We just wanted to participate here and ask if there are any questions. I'll send the minutes form the last meeting to opensuse-project tomorrow... 18:20 <AJaeger> So, if you have any questions to us or like us to look at something, please speak up - or send an email to board@opensuse.org. 18:21 <AJaeger> apokryphos, coolo and yaloki are also here besides me. 18:21 <AJaeger> henne: Let's move on - and if somebody has something later, we can came back to that... 18:22 @<henne> sure

18:22 @<henne> last topic the. Q&A 18:22 <jpr> rodrig1: do we have our status mails linked into the wiki now? 18:22 @<henne> no you dont :) 18:22 <rodrig1> jpr: no :( 18:22 <rodrig1> rodrig1: but will do from now on 18:23 @<henne> good 18:23 @<henne> so Q&A. the fitst questions is about how we can interest more women in our project 18:23 @<henne> from Kaity G. B. 18:24 <adrianS> find a woman to found women.opensuse.org ? 18:24 <notlocalhorst> make a women only mailinglist, and ban henne from the list 18:24 <darix> lol 18:24 <darix> notlocalhorst: +1 18:24 <rhorstkoetter> LoL 18:24 <notlocalhorst> but i mean it for real, a mailinglist could help 18:25 * henne would propose to stop all sleezy comments 18:25 <Bille> make a women-only (at least at the beginning) space, and put women in charge of it 18:25 <notlocalhorst> yes 18:25 <adrianS> so question goes back to Kaity ;) 18:26 <notlocalhorst> btw: i moved the questions from 02.01, so they might be not here today 18:26 <notlocalhorst> she should start a discussion on project 18:26 @<henne> okay 18:26 <Beineri> questions are put in the wiki because participants are not there anyway ;-) 18:27 @<henne> second question from kdupuy9/YoMedia 18:27 @<henne> what can we do to help improve marketing of openSUSE 18:27 <aka_druid> vodka bottles with the geeko logo 18:27 @<henne> the graphics are already there or? 18:27 <notlocalhorst> spread openSUSE dvds ... more tomorrow on project 18:28 @<henne> http://en.opensuse.org/Buttons 18:28 @<henne> the second part is about local user groups like ubuntus LoCo thingee 18:28 <cgoncalves> notlocalhorst: speaking of which... I need 10.3 promo DVDs for marketing if possible ;-) 18:28 @<henne> any thoughts on that? 18:28 <notlocalhorst> let us know when there is an event, ask for other support at marketing@opensuse.org 18:28 <notlocalhorst> cgoncalves: sure, send me an email 18:29 <notlocalhorst> yes, we have some ideas, but so far our support is pretty limited ... i hope that will change someday 18:29 @<henne> what do you mean by support? 18:31 * uberChicChick types slow, I'd love to see a room like #openSuSE-chicks/women/girls etc. &I'd be more than happy to moderate, write a wiki write up, etc etc. 18:31 <notlocalhorst> money, other stuff than dvds, poster etc 18:31 <darix> uberChicChick: the channel is no problem. and the wiki is open anyway. 18:31 @<henne> uberChicChick: neato. please go ahead. do you have a novell login? then we can make an action item out of this :) 18:32 <darix> uberChicChick: for irc stuff bother me later on. i have to run now 18:32 <notlocalhorst> uberChicChick: be sure to announce it on the lists to get more people involved 18:32 <darix> later 18:34 @<henne> Action Item UberChicGeekChick: start the female openSUSE community 18:34 @<henne> then the last question from the wiki 18:35 @<henne> kkemenczy asks if we can make hunspell the system wide spell checker 18:35 @<henne> like fedora does 18:35 @<henne> i guess this is worth a bugreport 18:35 <adrianS> should be discussed on -factory ml I think 18:35 <darix> henne: seemsthis is a -factory question 18:35 @<henne> or mail to factory 18:35 @<henne> yeah 18:36 @<henne> so kkemenczy please start a thread about this on -factory 18:36 * microchip_[away] is telecining your mind 18:36 <uberChicChick> I have a BuildService &wiki log in. So I think so but with all of the recent changes (*applause to all involved*) I'm not abs sure. 18:36 @<henne> uberChicChick: i already found it 18:37 @<henne> that was all from the wiki Q&A section 18:37 <michl19> on local user groups: even with limited support (DVDs, t-shirt...) it's very much appreciated that people start local groups. we definetely can incorporate them in the wiki and promote them. 18:37 <yaloki> michl19: absolutely 18:37 @<henne> of course. we wont forbid anything 18:38 @<henne> the question is if we want to start something (which includes support) 18:38 <yaloki> yes, but it needs some organization on top of it, across all opensuse UGs 18:38 @<henne> yes 18:38 <uberChicChick> henne: awesome &everyone: thnx! 18:38 <yaloki> e.g. a page that lists them all, where to find one near you (ok, those would only become issues once it's successful ;) 18:38 <adrianS> uberChicChick: tell, if you have something where we can forward women.opensuse.org ... 18:38 <notlocalhorst> at least we should make it easier, and a central point to get information what is available, how to, problems ... etc 18:39 @<henne> and a modus operandi 18:39 <notlocalhorst> yaloki: exactly 18:39 <yaloki> "how to invite henne to your LUG" 18:39 <notlocalhorst> a:you need a lot of beer 18:39 <cgoncalves> yaloki: a map for instead? 18:39 <yaloki> maybe a mailing-list for all LUGs, to exchange information, ideas, ... 18:39 <notlocalhorst> we could combine it with the usermap we already have 18:39 <cgoncalves> notlocalhorst: yes. 18:39 <yaloki> cgoncalves: at this point I think we're starting from 0 (known ones), not sure we need a map already ;) 18:40 @<henne> guys. this is infrastructure. you need people first :) 18:40 <yaloki> henne: right 18:40 <bgerber> Many libraries in the US allow use of their rooms for free for meeting like this. 18:40 <notlocalhorst> but a good infrastructure helps to get new people 18:40 <yaloki> badges to put on websites (and that link to the list of all LUGs) 18:40 * cgoncalves is available to give support in Portugal 18:40 <yaloki> as always, what's needed is ppl to step up and organize it 18:41 <notlocalhorst> let's start a discussion with the ideas on project 18:41 <yaloki> especially as number of LUGs is strongly decreasing these days 18:41 @<henne> well one thins is clear right? 18:42 <yaloki> henne: what? it's party time ? 18:42 @<henne> we (the project) cant support with anything else then advice and "central" infrstructure 18:42 <bgerber> that's because of the loss of technical and move to more users focus 18:42 <yaloki> henne: right 18:42 @<henne> so it does not make sense to start something from our side 18:42 <notlocalhorst> i'm not sure 18:42 * henne is 18:43 <yaloki> bgerber: also because it has become easer to install (install fests are not really relevant any more, but doing small monthly meetings where people present how to do this or that ... stuff like that) 18:43 <yaloki> henne: maybe an open call for existing opensuse UGs or try to motivate people to do it 18:43 @<henne> sounds board'ish to me ;) 18:44 @<henne> or evangelist'ish 18:44 <yaloki> sometimes all you need is a page that lists opensuse users geographically 18:44 <yaloki> then people see oh there are a few other people near where I live, let's contact them and meet 18:44 <bgerber> that helps 18:44 <yaloki> that's exactly how LUGs start 18:44 @<henne> we have such a map dont we? 18:44 <yaloki> hmmm 18:44 <aka_druid> outdated, probablyt 18:44 <cyberorg> lets have sui like http://www.novell.com/communities/nui 18:44 <yaloki> it isn't much advertised... I completely forgot about it ^^ 18:45 @<henne> http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Community/Map 18:45 <yaloki> cyberorg: suits ? :) 18:45 <YoMedia> henne: As long as we have a wiki where local openSUSE UGs can put their info and pages (which, we do :)) then all the project has to do is tell users that these things exist... 18:45 <cyberorg> SUSE Users International :) 18:45 <YoMedia> cyberorg: I like it :) 18:46 @<henne> YoMedia: then please create that wiki page 18:46 <YoMedia> I'd be willing to help out with creating the wiki 18:46 <YoMedia> henne: You beat me to saying it :) 18:47 <yaloki> the map is a very nice thing, but it isn't very useful to locate users near you in its current implementation 18:47 @<henne> yaloki: http://service.cboltz.de/opensuse/map.html 18:47 <yaloki> also, it would prolly be more useful to have something that pulls coordinates from the user portal 18:47 <YoMedia> This could also help with creating "release parties" There was such a page on the Wiki for 10.3 I know. 18:47 <cboltz> BTW: Just to give you a number: The map had 180 visits in December. 18:47 <rhorstkoetter> btw, how to use this community map? http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Community/Map 18:48 <rhorstkoetter> it's just a jpg right? 18:48 <yaloki> rhorstkoetter: have to edit a line to a wiki page 18:48 <YoMedia> I put myself on that map, and I had to do coordinates and everything, it was a little complicated for new community members... 18:48 <yaloki> YoMedia: yes, indeed 18:49 <yaloki> we should have a _lot_ more people on that page 18:49 <cgoncalves> spread.kde.org has a lot of information on how to create/manage LUGs/booths/presentations. It's worth reading it 18:49 <yaloki> and link to it from the top page or at least not far away from it 18:49 <aka_druid> or maybe do something related to users.opensuse.org? 18:50 <YoMedia> aka_druid: Yeah, integrate the map with that would be nice 18:50 <yaloki> aka_druid: yes, I think that if users could leave their coords there, it would be a lot easier to enter and collect data 18:50 <aka_druid> or even their cities instead of coordinates 18:50 <yaloki> + you can have links to the respective users.o.o profiles 18:50 <notlocalhorst> it should be using data from users.o.o, and it would be nice if you just have to enter the city/country 18:50 @<henne> darix: is that something you could do? 18:50 <yaloki> notlocalhorst: or like that, yeah 18:50 <yaloki> not trivial to do, but very useful 18:51 <adrianS> darix is on the way home 18:51 <adrianS> storing coordinates or city names to user should be easy though 18:51 @<henne> yeah sounds easy 18:51 <notlocalhorst> we should ask google to help us :-) 18:51 @<henne> so Action Item darix: investigate to handle map data on users.o.o 18:51 <cboltz> doesn't google maps provide coordinates? 18:52 @<henne> and move then map stuff to map.opensuse.org or something like that 18:52 <cboltz> check the "direct link" feature... 18:52 <bgerber> It appears that sometimes you get removed. I was there and I am not any longer 18:52 @<henne> would that be okay with you cboltz? 18:52 <notlocalhorst> yes, but we need someting that translate places to coordinates .. maybe it's possible with the maps api 18:52 <cboltz> henne: no problem 18:52 <aka_druid> what I was thinking was maybe if the site could group people from same countries or regios so somebody in the site could find someone close to them easily 18:52 <aka_druid> no need for the fancy google maps, which would be an extra 18:53 <rhorstkoetter> wouldn't it be more useful if one could zoom into the map to get the information he wants instead of just having a static jpg 18:53 <rhorstkoetter> ? 18:53 @<henne> rhorstkoetter: use the like dude. 18:53 @<henne> rhorstkoetter: http://service.cboltz.de/opensuse/map.html 18:53 <aka_druid> rhorstkoetter, well, you can do that, one would ahve to program with the google maps api, I guess 18:53 <cboltz> rhorstkoetter: the wiki would need to allow JS or iframes to do that 18:53 <rhorstkoetter> henne: that's it 18:53 <cboltz> which it doesn't for security reasons 18:54 @<henne> okay enough of the map stuff 18:54 @<henne> any other questions? 18:55 <jpr> yes 18:55 @<henne> shoot :) 18:55 <jpr> can we do something like the gnome meeting themes but do it for factory to help get factory info and feedback? 18:55 <jpr> i was thinking like having GregKH present on the driver project 18:55 <jpr> in #opensuse-factory 18:55 <jpr> and getting feedback on the driver work needed 18:56 * adrianS hopes coolo reads this :) 18:56 @<henne> jpr: you mean seperate factory/dist meetings? 18:56 * jpr wonders if that means coolo is for or against the idea 18:56 <jpr> henne: maybe, i'm not sure what the best forum is 18:57 <jpr> it doesn't seem to fit in these project meetings though 18:57 <adrianS> coolo would be just in important, because he is in charge of Factory 18:57 <jpr> ah :-) 18:57 <aka_druid> henne, seems its for an specific theme, not a meeting 18:57 <aka_druid> s/meeting/status meeting/ 18:58 @<henne> sounds like a good idea to me 18:58 @<henne> the question is if there is enough content left without KDE/GNOME 18:59 <jpr> i think so 18:59 <jpr> i think there are also ones that apply to both 18:59 <jpr> we did an NM one for instance iwth GNOME 18:59 <jpr> helmut came to give some background 18:59 <coolo> adrianS: no, I don't 18:59 <jpr> that could have cut across boundaries 19:00 <jpr> besides the driver one I can think of 19:00 <jpr> yast/installation 19:00 @<henne> so coolo what do you think? 19:00 <jpr> ATI driver 19:00 @<henne> you obviously would have to drive it :) 19:00 <jpr> xrandr 1.2/1.3 19:00 <jpr> etc 19:00 <jpr> i will help drive it 19:00 <jpr> if needed 19:00 <jpr> :-) 19:00 <adrianS> coolo: you are not in charge of Factory ? 19:01 @<henne> do you think of a fixed schedule or as needed? 19:01 * adrianS sees another thing where it seems he is implicit in charge than ... 19:01 <coolo> adrianS: no, I'm not reading 19:01 <jpr> henne: i suggest 1 per month 19:02 <jpr> maybe two 19:02 <jpr> depending on time line 19:02 <jpr> it worked especially well if we had things that were just about to be available in Factory 19:02 <jpr> so we could point to packages for pre-testing 19:02 @<henne> coolo: are you still not reading? 19:03 @<henne> i guess not 19:03 <dirk> jpr: so the goal is knowledge sharing about factory changes? 19:04 @<henne> Action Item coolo, jpr: think about a seperate factory meeting with specific themes 19:04 <adrianS> since coolo is not reading, it would be best to discuss it on -factory ml, I think 19:04 <jpr> dirk: yes, and testing, and feedback from users 19:04 <metavoid> henne: I have a question for you 19:05 @<henne> okay last question then 19:05 <jpr> dirk: and also just getting novell teams involved in opensuse as well really 19:05 <jpr> dirk: for instance we got the mobile devices guys to show their faces :-) 19:05 <metavoid> henne: is it possible to localise messages that come from mlmmj? 19:05 <metavoid> henne: I mean confirmation mails and such 19:05 @<henne> metavoid: sure 19:06 <dirk> jpr: ehm, I would be careful with such statements, but anyway 19:06 <jpr> dirk: hmm? 19:06 <metavoid> henne: then could you please send me original messages and I'll translate them 19:07 @<henne> metavoid: they are in the package. just get the source 19:07 @<henne> Okay that was it then. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 19:07 <cboltz> Regarding LinuxTag: Do you already know on which day the openSUSE day will be? 19:07 @<henne> The next project meeting will be at the 23rd of January. Same channel but this time at 12:00 GMT!!! 19:07 @<henne> The next meeting is the KDE meeting today at 19:00 GMT (A.K.A. 5 minutes ago) in #opensuse-kde. 19:07 @<henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck!