Meetings/Project Meeting 2007-12-19/transcript

# Beineri changed topic to: Welcome to (some kind of) project meeting! 18:01 Beineri (Stephan Binner): wonders if henne already went smoking... 18:03 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): henne: no meeting today ? 18:03 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: I guess he prefers to have vacation? 18:04 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): were there any topics to be discussed ? 18:04 Beineri (Stephan Binner): http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Current 18:04 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): was a bit focused on other stuff this week .... 18:05 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): no one from the board is here ... so we can skip this ... 18:05 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): me me me 18:05 Beineri (Stephan Binner): coolo? 18:05 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): oh, sorry :) 18:06 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): umm.. status update on board activities ? 18:06 aka_druid: is this an undercover meeting? 18:06 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): or any questions I could answer ? :) 18:06 Beineri (Stephan Binner): yaloki: sure, where is everyone - or his substitute? 18:07 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): well, apokryphos, coolo and I are on the board, that's a quite decent representation ;) 18:07 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): we're pretty much already in xmas holidays hibernation atm 18:07 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): (we=board) 18:07 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): the opensuse.org email aliases are being worked on 18:08 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): a very few have been rolled out already for board members -- apokryphos and I, that is 18:08 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): btw, your board wiki is running now behind board.opensuse.org, darix sent access data to aj 18:08 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): ah, cool, thanks 18:08 coolo: yaloki: well, I degraded from coolo@ to stephan.kulow@ :) 18:08 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): coolo: true :) 18:08 Beineri (Stephan Binner): question, why not nickname@opensuse.org 18:09 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): Beineri: because there will potentially be quite a few people having it, and firstname.lastname avoids duplication or silly names such as login@... (e.g. m4r3k51@opensuse.org) 18:10 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): Beineri: we had to decide _some_ policy, and that one is as good as another (we decided that one to be the better or less worse, actually) 18:10 yaloki (Pascal Bleser):  ;) 18:10 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): Beineri: not everyone has a proper nickname btw 18:10 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): I guess that firstname.lastname@ + nickname@ is an option though, we'll see 18:11 coolo: and we don't people to pick silly nicknames :) 18:11 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): right :) 18:11 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): like Loeffel,you do him a favour ;) 18:11 benJIman: Someone will claim his nickname is project.manager 18:11 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): any specific questions on the board or our activities ? 18:12 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): things are quite slow to pick up and get into place, we're aware of that but well 18:12 Beineri (Stephan Binner): yaloki: any follow-up on "apokryphos talk to darix" stuff? 18:12 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): scratches head 18:12 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): what was that ? 18:12 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): oh, users.o.o I guess ? 18:12 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): apokryphos: ping 18:12 Beineri (Stephan Binner): "mugshots, joining teams" sounds a bit like a social network thingie .-) 18:13 Beineri (Stephan Binner): yaloki: your minutes ;-)... http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2007-12/msg00027.html 18:13 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): not that I know of, but we didn't have a meeting this week 18:14 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): now if apokryphos was actually at his keyboard, he could probably answer that ;) 18:14 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): Beineri: so I'm afraid I can't give any update on that item 18:15 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: anything interesting about build service this week which would have been in status report if there would have been one? ;-) 18:15 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): I am working on the 0.5 release 18:16 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): There is the new link from sofware -> build like mentioned in the news article 18:16 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): the 0.5 release, our first one with tar balls, will hopefully happen tomorrow 18:16 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): and bugzilla addresses that can be configured per project/package, right ? 18:17 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): beside of that, we have now openSUSE:*:NonFree projects which contain teh non-oss rpms 18:17 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): yaloki: right, it appears when bugowners gets defined 18:17 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): it is described in the news.o.o posting from yesterday 18:17 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): thats it for now 18:18 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: so "oss only" doesn't count anymore for the build service? 18:18 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): well, it does count for submissions 18:18 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): hm 18:18 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): at least until a new policy has been established 18:18 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): adrianS: who decides what is allowed to be in NonFree or not ? 18:18 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): I am fine when the boards finds a new policy ;) 18:18 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): takes note 18:18 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): so far this is decided by Michael Loeffler 18:18 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): although we're not supposed to interfere with technical stuff 18:19 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): it is more policy and less technical 18:19 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): myeah 18:19 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): not sure it's for us, but I'll submit it at our next meeting 18:19 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): s/submit/raise/ 18:19 yaloki (Pascal Bleser): I'm afraid I have to run now :\ 18:19 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): well, we can keep that Michael is deciding everything 18:20 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): the question is, if he likes this situation at all ;) 18:20 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): or we can discuss new packages for non-oss on project ml 18:21 Beineri (Stephan Binner): coolo: anything interesting about distro this week which would have been in status report if there would have been one? :-) 18:22 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): there were base library renames at least ... 18:22 Beineri (Stephan Binner): rlihm: how are the shops doing? 18:22 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): broke the factory ftp tree for a while, but fixed since tomorrow 18:23 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): US shops are on hold, he told me 18:23 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): because no reaction from the provider 18:23 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): they seem to be on vacation already 18:23 coolo: possible 18:24 Beineri (Stephan Binner): anyone else present with a pending AI? :-) 18:25 Beineri (Stephan Binner): bug 229213 18:25 bugbot: openSUSE bug 229213 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] clarify bugzilla usage for packages in build service" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229213 18:25 Beineri (Stephan Binner): yaloki: ? 18:25 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): this is done now 18:25 Beineri (Stephan Binner): then dump it :-) 18:25 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): I think, with the new component and the bugreport links 18:25 cboltz: Will it be possible to pass some default text (like project and package) to the bugreport? 18:26 cboltz: It would help to avoid unclear bugreports ;-) 18:26 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): cboltz: andreas implemented it in that way in svn afaik 18:26 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): but this is not yet running 18:26 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): but should come this week, if I am not misleaded .... 18:26 cboltz: Sounds good, thanks! 18:27 Beineri (Stephan Binner): so, only "Q/A Wiki & Channel" left :-) 18:28 cboltz: will the Mandriva2006 target be fixed? (no reaction to my mail from 3.12.) 18:28 Beineri (Stephan Binner): yamaban asks for some Privoxy update or alike 18:29 Beineri (Stephan Binner): nothing we can answer here, or? 18:29 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): send me a patch ;) no time to look into your issue, others can build afaik 18:29 Beineri (Stephan Binner): the question should be raised to the package maintainer or on opensuse-packaging list 18:29 Beineri (Stephan Binner): then there is Beineri asking "Is there a need for a public upload space for openSUSE contributors (like people.feodoraproject.org)" 18:30 Beineri (Stephan Binner): supports that ;-) 18:30 cyberorg_: wont have to use apokryphos' server 18:31 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): sees other more urgent stuff to be implemented first before that .... 18:31 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: but you see a need or valid use case? 18:31 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): I see a valid use case 18:31 benJIman: Has anyone been asking for it? 18:32 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): I am not sure if this can not be done by other free services 18:32 Beineri (Stephan Binner): this is also to (partly) replace ftp.suse.com/pub/people 18:32 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): and why we should invest in that 18:32 Beineri (Stephan Binner): benJIman: me! :-) 18:32 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): Beineri: you can get easily ftp.suse.com/pub/people space .... 18:32 benJIman: There are lots of free and inexpensive online storage solutions, it might be useful for keeping things together, but you can already put documents etc on wiki, sources in buildservice ettc 18:32 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: I know, I actually have iirc. But it's "me" not "every openSUSE contributor" 18:33 benJIman: Beineri: Attach files to your user:beineri page? 18:33 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): benJIman: thank you :) 18:33 Beineri (Stephan Binner): benJIman: the wiki is not really a file server, or? 18:34 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): files.o.o is .... 18:34 Beineri (Stephan Binner): which allows to upload a bunch of files quickly (think scp, rsync, ...) 18:34 cyberorg_: it just makes sense keeping everything together, easily browsable and wgetable 18:34 benJIman: What do people need to store? 18:35 benJIman: fedorapeople seems to have mostly packages & documents. 18:35 Beineri (Stephan Binner): Documents ;-) 18:35 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): well, can we agree that we can discuss this again, if there are a number of requests of people who needs this ? 18:35 benJIman: Wiki can organise documents better though. 18:35 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): Documents fit very well in the wiki 18:36 benJIman: We could use sharepoint ¬_¬ 18:36 benJIman: *runs* 18:36 cyberorg_: stuff which dont fit anywhere like this http://giannaros.org/other/cyberorg/ 18:37 Beineri (Stephan Binner): seems not the best day to receive a big feedback for that ;-| 18:37 Beineri (Stephan Binner): this bothersome Beineri also asked "Is there a need for a catalog of the distribution packages (like packages.debian.org)?" 18:38 cboltz: Maybe it's a good idea. 18:38 cboltz: Please include all Provides: to make it useful for buildservice users also. 18:39 benJIman: Are you referring to official packages now? 18:39 Beineri (Stephan Binner): currently there exists only software.o.o/search where you can search and get description + package name only back 18:39 benJIman: Like there used to be packagelists published for dvd etc. 18:39 Beineri (Stephan Binner): you can eg. not browse by categories 18:39 cboltz: (Having a similar list for "foreign" distributions in the buildservice would be even more useful) 18:39 cyberorg_: software.o.o could do with "Browse All" and give alphabetical/catagories like yast 18:39 Beineri (Stephan Binner): and the information provided is also short, no technical information (provides, requires, conflicts, filelists, ...) at all 18:40 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): Beineri: can you check this with http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/End_User_Frontend and add possible missing features there ? 18:40 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): like a "Add an Expert/Technical mode" 18:40 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): we should improve the existing frontend instead of inventing another one IMHO 18:41 Beineri (Stephan Binner): would alread a bit happy as developer if 282492 18:41 Beineri (Stephan Binner): bug 282492 18:41 bugbot: openSUSE bug 282492 in openSUSE.org (BuildService) "RPM Info View" [Enhancement,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282492 18:41 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): since it does use the OBS backend for search, this kind of information should be easy accessable 18:41 Beineri (Stephan Binner): would be available when logged into the build service. 18:42 Beineri (Stephan Binner): available in the web frontend, in the backend it is 18:43 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: any ETA for the End User Frontend of the Build Service? 18:43 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): it is currently the step 2 for next year in the roadmap 18:43 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): however, this might change .... 18:43 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): I am happy to help you start developing on it :) 18:44 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): has his implementation tasks over xmas already ... 18:44 darix: i am developing too 18:44 benJIman: adrianS: Has yaloki talked to you already this week about software portal? 18:44 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): benJIman: no 18:44 Beineri (Stephan Binner): darix: did someone approach you about addding "mugshots, joining teams" on user.o.o? :-) 18:44 darix: mughshots yes 18:44 darix: team stuff no 18:45 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): Beineri: can you describe such tasks in the wiki a bit ? 18:45 Beineri (Stephan Binner): adrianS: the user.o.o ones? 18:45 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): it is hard to discuss about such design questions without real information ... 18:45 darix: i wonder what kind of teams are meant there 18:45 Beineri (Stephan Binner): darix: ask the board :-) 18:45 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): me too 18:45 benJIman: adrianS: Are you going to be around for the rest of this week? 18:46 darix: ok 18:46 benJIman: We need to have a discussion with yaloki really. 18:46 darix: so i need to ping francis 18:46 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): Beineri: this is the wrong way 18:46 darix: benJIman: i would be interested too 18:46 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): please, first document your ideas, than we can discuss it on the ml 18:46 darix: especially when it comes to integration of the different sites 18:46 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): benJIman: sort of, I will be online most of the time I think 18:46 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): benJIman: but I am officially on vacation ;) 18:47 darix: adrianS: let francis and me sort out the features for users 18:48 Beineri (Stephan Binner): any questions from the last one standing/channel? 18:48 darix: Beineri: where are my cookies? 18:48 Beineri (Stephan Binner): darix: under the christmas tree 18:49 adrianS (Adrian Schroeter): will leave for a private appointement now, if nothing else is open 18:49 darix: *tries to think about something for adrian* 18:49 darix: i cant think of anything 18:49 cboltz: has some cookies at his desk :-) 18:50 Beineri (Stephan Binner): does someone think more people would show up for a meeting on January 2nd? :-) 18:50 darix: Beineri: yes. 18:50 darix: cboltz: want to be the maintainer of maildrop? 18:51 cboltz: Since nobody else even answered my mail... 18:51 darix: i did 18:51 cboltz: "Want" - not really, but I have no other choice ;-) 18:51 darix: i think 18:51 Beineri (Stephan Binner): then let us readjourn to 2nd January 2008 18:51 cboltz: yes, you did. sorry ;-) 18:51 darix: oki 18:51 darix: Beineri: and you will fix all kde4 bugs i find!:p 18:51 Beineri (Stephan Binner): see you next year.. 18:52 darix: see you next year Beineri =) 18:53 Beineri (Stephan Binner): darix: somehow I suspect that you will ask me for cookies again already tomorrow ;-) 18:53 cboltz: uploads the log to the Meetings page 18:54 Beineri (Stephan Binner): cboltz: what log? what meeting? :-) 18:54 cboltz: this one. 18:54 cboltz: The so-called meeting ;-) 18:54 darix: Beineri: tomorrow i will ask for chocolade:p 18:54 darix: be prepared