-:- Topic (#openSUSE-project): changed by henne: Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 01:00PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 01:00PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 01:00PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> The agenda for this meeting is: -:- frederico [i=ibm@nat/ibm.br/x-3ec4e8417565711c] has joined #opensuse-project 01:01PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> 1. Old Action Items 01:01PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> 2. Status Questions 01:01PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> 3. Questions & Answers wiki/channel 01:01PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Lets go!

01:01PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> first topic. old action items. you can find a list here: http://tinyurl.com/2pr9qs 01:02PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #164761 01:02PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 164761 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] built service trust/rating system" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=164761 01:02PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> still blocked. see ETA 01:02PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #267437 01:02PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 267437 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] @opensuse.org mail addresses" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=267437 01:02PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> aj is still on vacation (sort of). so still blocked 01:03PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #223290 01:03PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 223290 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] better wishlist handling using FATE" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223290 01:03PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> wait wait 01:03PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> for what? :) 01:03PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> on the @opensuse.org emails 01:03PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> somewhat more detailed status 01:03PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> please go ahead :) 01:03PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> we (the board)'ve discussed some options on how to manage it 01:03PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> currently, we're waiting on some technical issues to be resolved 01:04PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> who potentially gets @opensuse.org addresses? 01:04PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> such as the fact that there are currently automatic mappings for @novell and/or @suse addresses to @opensuse 01:04PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> so that's what's blocking atm 01:04PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> as AJ was 2 weeks on vacation, we're waiting for him to poke people whom.. etc.. 01:04PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: we'll explain when announced 01:04PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: still discussing details internally 01:05PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay. please update the status in the AI 01:05PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> the current plan is that anyone can request but that the board votes+decides 01:05PM <apokryphos:#openSUSE-project> basically it will be continuing/significant contributors to openSUSE 01:05PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> right 01:06PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> what does @opensuse.org address mean? a forward or a real mailbox? 01:06PM * jengelh/#opensuse-project guesses forward 01:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> not clarified yet 01:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> I'd say a forward 01:06PM <apokryphos:#openSUSE-project> yeah 01:06PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> k 01:06PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> thinking about it realistically 01:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> ok, that's all ;) 01:06PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> even if would apply for one - there would hardly be a reason :> 01:07PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: if you don't want one, don't apply ;) 01:07PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> if there are no more questions, we can continue with #223290 01:07PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> I mean, I already have short addresses or so.. 01:07PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #223290 01:07PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 223290 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] better wishlist handling using FATE" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223290 01:07PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> we had the discussion on opensuse-project 01:07PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> what is FATE actually / got a wiki link? 01:08PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> anyone cares to summarize? 01:08PM <apokryphos:#openSUSE-project> looks like Klaas has started work on it 01:08PM <apokryphos:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: feature/goal tracking software | channels : #openSUSE-project 01:08PM <cboltz:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: http://en.opensuse.org/Proposals/openFate 01:09PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> ok 01:09PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> yet another bugzilla so to speak 01:09PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so what im taking away from the discussion is that everybody is fine with using fate 01:09PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> the other options (wiki, bugzilla, idea.o.o) never came up again 01:10PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: yeah but the idea is really that anyone will be able to track items in there that are marked as "discussed in FATE" in bugzilla 01:10PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so the decision is to go ahead with openFate right? 01:10PM <apokryphos:#openSUSE-project> yeah, looks like FATE is definitely worth trying out 01:10PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> correct | channels : #openSUSE-project #suse 01:10PM * cboltz/#openSUSE-project agrees 01:10PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> ill update the AI then and close the other ones... 01:11PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #343444 01:11PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 343444 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] bugzilla wizard to qualify bugreports" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=343444 01:11PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> nothing happend here as far as i can see 01:11PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> guess i have to poke klaas a bit harder 01:12PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #229213 01:12PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 229213 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] clarify bugzilla usage for packages in build service" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229213 01:13PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> that one is still a bit unclear to me 01:13PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> adrianS care to elaborate? 01:13PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> myeah 01:13PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> blocked by not approved user account still :/ 01:13PM * henne/#openSUSE-project kicks adrianS 01:13PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> blocked by whom ? 01:14PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> I have problems to get my mails answered regarding this 01:14PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> adrian said its more or less done 01:14PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> intentionally or.. ? 01:14PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> bugzilla team 01:14PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> just the "link" (whatever that is) is missing in the OBS frontend 01:14PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> dunno, no answers at all 01:14PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> provo ? 01:14PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> I will try a classic telephone call next ... 01:14PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> heh okay. please update the AI! -:- dragotin [i=freitag@nat/suse/x-65ac310433758d38] has joined #opensuse-project 01:15PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> the link needs to include the component 01:15PM * Beineri/#openSUSE-project suggests to fly henne to Provo to let kick him some people :-) 01:15PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> and the component does not appear because of not approved user 01:15PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> if anyone else accepts to become the default assignee, it is also fine with me ;? 01:15PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> not approved user? -:- Riggwelter [n=ogley@home.rubberturnip.org.uk] has joined #openSUSE-Project 01:15PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> each component has a default assignee 01:15PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: you mean component owner? 01:16PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> so, I create a new one just for the this component 01:16PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> yes 01:16PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> but this one gets not approved 01:16PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> ok 01:16PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so anyone up to this? 01:16PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> beware: this means actually work ;) 01:17PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> it has to be one with an innerweb account actually ... 01:17PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> so it has to be a novell employee ... 01:17PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> ah 01:17PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> hmmmm 01:17PM * adrianS/#openSUSE-project just get the idea to ask screening team to setup a new list, which they to not screen ... 01:17PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> that might work 01:18PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> is it still an issue with non-forge mailinglists? 01:18PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> is there* 01:18PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> you mean as owner ? yes, I tried ... 01:18PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so it has to be a forge list? 01:19PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> hm, you mean any forge list might work ? 01:19PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> I will try ... 01:19PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> this might actually play well together with the idea of having a "community" bug assignee address 01:20PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> ..that being the list post address 01:20PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> k, will try ... 01:20PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> makes sense 01:20PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> forge mailinglists work 01:20PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> afaik 01:20PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> dragotin: what about other lists? 01:20PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> do not wrok 01:20PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> no wok ;) 01:20PM * adrianS/#openSUSE-project tries to find out how a forge ml can get created and accepts hints :) 01:21PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> we can pipe forge lists trough opensuse lists. no problem 01:21PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> i guess you have to open a project :) 01:21PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> anyway. please try and update the AI 01:22PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #238355 01:22PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 238355 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] status of cn wiki" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238355 01:22PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> name for the list? 01:22PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> suggestions? 01:22PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> opensuse-3rdparty ? 01:23PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> hmm 01:23PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> opensuse-community-packages 01:23PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> make it general 01:23PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> good 01:23PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> opensuse-screening 01:23PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> or opensuse-bugzilla 01:23PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> the screening team will NOT use this list ... 01:24PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so we can use it for OBS bugs and possibly for assigning 01:24PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> it is more or less for all software except openSUSE:* 01:24PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> so 3rdparty is not so wrong ... 01:24PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> OBS bugs are differently handled as well 01:24PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> i mean bugs in OBS projects... 01:24PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> when you speak about the service and not the content 01:25PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> the idea is to have one general address/list which we can use as assignee -:- SignOff frederico: #opensuse-project (Remote closed the connection) 01:25PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so people can pick bugs up from that one 01:25PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> but don"t you think the "screening" will mislead some people thinking that these has been screened ? 01:25PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> hm -:- SignOff Beineri: #opensuse-project ("CARRIER LOST") 01:25PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> community-screening? 01:26PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> fine with me -:- Beineri [i=Beineri@kde/binner] has joined #opensuse-project -:- SignOff sgt-d: #opensuse-project ("KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/") 01:26PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> fine with everybody else ? 01:26PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: actually the name of the forge list does not really matter 01:26PM * adrianS/#openSUSE-project is already in the ml setup web page :) -:- jimfla [n=jimfla@user-105n9kg.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #opensuse-project 01:27PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> okay, I create the list now .... 01:27PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> community-notifier 01:27PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> or something. 01:27PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> and it failed ... 01:27PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> ergs 01:27PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> I will keep trying, go on with the meeting 01:27PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> heh 01:27PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay 01:27PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #238355 01:27PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: I think you need the "wiki-mode" 01:27PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 238355 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] status of cn wiki" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238355 | channels : #opensuse-gnome #opensuse-chat #opensuse-fi +#opensuse.ru #openSUSE-pt #opensuse-fr #opensuse-de +#sl-support #suse #opensuse-factory #openSUSE-project #yast #opensuse-kde -:- jimfla_ [n=jimfla@user-105n9kg.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #opensuse-project 01:28PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> localhorst is on vacation, so no update on this 01:28PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #238350 01:28PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 238350 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] unmaintained wikis" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238350 01:28PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> that one too 01:29PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> and that one Bug #293726 01:29PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 293726 in openSUSE.org (wiki) "[AI] Creation of Babel wiki" [Enhancement,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293726 01:29PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> too 01:29PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> still blocked for same reason? 01:29PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> which one you mean? :) 01:29PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> "no time" - just wondering what/who/when this will be resetted 01:30PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> well it is how it is 01:30PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> which leaves two AIs 01:31PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #173961 01:31PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 173961 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] openSUSE merchandising" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=173961 01:31PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> that one is actually going forward a bit 01:31PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> henne: Europe and Asia shop goes tomorrow online. Rest of world will follow 01:31PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> a bit more than a bit ;-) 01:31PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> :) -:- mattg [n=mattg@pcp2mgg.see3d.co.uk] has joined #opensuse-project 01:31PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay cool. so when will we be able to announce? 01:31PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> we plan to go live with the EMEA/Asia shop tomorrow 01:32PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> whats blocking the US shop? 01:32PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> no blocking 01:32PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> but better having the EMEA up and running 01:33PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> the America and rest of world shop will follow soon 01:33PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> we need to create therfor a second shop 01:33PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> i think we should have EMEA, US and Asia up and announce then 01:33PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> I sent out an email on project half an hour ago or so with info 01:34PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> we think having a shop which serves kind of the mayority of our users is more important than shipping "all" shops at the same time 01:34PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> aye. 01:35PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> i really have no problem with having them online 01:35PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> me neither 01:35PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> i just know that i hate when i see cool stuff i want to buy and it does not ship to my country 01:36PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> and saying "it will come soon" just fuels the hate :) 01:36PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> but what do you prefer - tomorrow live with one shop serving the mayority or all shops live near future? 01:36PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> all should be live by this month 01:36PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> i prefer: tomorrow live with one shop, announcing it when all three are ready 01:36PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> I'd prefer one shop for all 01:36PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> but for creating the second shop we need the shop provider doing this 01:36PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: heh, no 01:37PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> can we agree on going live tomorrow with one shop and do the announcment when all countries are available? 01:37PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> +1 -:- davidx [n=davidx@198-144-164-42.knx.tn.nxs.net] has joined #opensuse-project 01:39PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> if its just me then.... 01:39PM <michl19:#openSUSE-project> done -:- SignOff wob: #opensuse-project (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:39PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> hmkay 01:39PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so last AI 01:39PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Bug #339796 01:39PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 339796 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] graphical headline on help.opensuse.org" [Normal,Needinfo] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=339796 01:39PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> I added all requested graphics headlines. 01:39PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> good boy :) 01:39PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> :D 01:40PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> Now somebody should deploy it 01:40PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> and I removed the "last accessed" static line in the new bs design ;-) 01:40PM * henne/#openSUSE-project kicks adrianS 01:40PM * cboltz/#openSUSE-project will include the latest images tonight 01:41PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> second ... 01:41PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay so if its done then close the AI please :) -:- SignOff jimfla: #opensuse-project ("Konversation terminated!") 01:41PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> dragotin: now do the same for download.o.o ;-) 01:41PM <cboltz:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: I'm still waiting for SVN permissions... -:- SignOff jimfla_: #opensuse-project ("Konversation terminated!") 01:41PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> beineri: really? 01:41PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> cboltz: your novell account is ? 01:41PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> dragotin: the bug report is assigned to robert though :-) 01:41PM <cboltz:#openSUSE-project> cboltz 01:41PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> henne: help.o.o deployed ... but you could do it yourself IIRC ;) 01:42PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> can i close it now? 01:42PM <cboltz:#openSUSE-project> I have to include the latest images - please wait for it. 01:42PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> k 01:42PM <rlihm:#openSUSE-project> :) 01:42PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay thats it for AIs then 01:42PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> btw, a new community web server is ordered, when it runs, we can stuff like help.o.o to it and more people can get shell accounts 01:43PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> I hope we get it running this year ... 01:43PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> shell access, what for? 01:43PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> doing svn up 01:44PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> ;) 01:44PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> i could do that from home too. 01:44PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> anyway

01:44PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> next topic Status Questions. You can find the status emails linked from the meeting page 01:44PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> there are some stauts mails missing because of vacations 01:44PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> are there any questions regarding the ones that are there? 01:44PM <dragotin:#openSUSE-project> beineri: done 01:45PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay. so no questions

01:46PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> third topic then. Q&A 01:46PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> Yeah... 01:46PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> there are no questions from the wiki -:- wob [n=wob@84-75-243-56.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openSUSE-project 01:46PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> any general questions in here? 01:46PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> Yeah I am kinda unhappy with simplebug processing. 01:46PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> please elaborate 01:46PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> !bug 279258 01:46PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 279258 in openSUSE 10.3 (Development) "quilt needs diffstat" [Normal,Verified: wontfix] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=279258 01:47PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> that one was filed for 10.3rc2 and did not get fixed for 10.3 even though it's really simple IMHO 01:48PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> releasing online updates with new dependencies is a dangerous thing to do 01:48PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> no I'm not debating the online updates 01:48PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: we have to talk about that "community web server" 01:48PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> I really meant: someone should have fixed that before doing GM 01:48PM * mrdocs/#openSUSE-project wanders in 01:48PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> yaloki: raise a topic at henne ;) 01:49PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: sure. woulda coulda shoulda :) 01:49PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> we have a limited amount of resources 01:49PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> and something small things get scheduled away 01:49PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> cboltz: you have svn commit rights now 01:49PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> henne: quirky scheduler on your side :p 01:50PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> should use SRTF 01:50PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: you do not want to redownload all packages directly after installing 01:50PM <cboltz:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: Thanks - please run svn up again ;-) 01:50PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: just for clarification 01:50PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: so only critical bugs gets fixed and they need approval from release master 01:51PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> we can only "fix" this by making contributions easier 01:51PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> which is something we all know were working on hard... 01:52PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> so anything else? :) 01:52PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> well, partly, but with easier contributions, you will also get more updates later ;) 01:53PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: the update case stands. but if its easy to contribute to the quilt package you wont need an update because it would have been fixed in beta3 :) 01:53PM <Dimble:#openSUSE-project> I hope this is not inappropriate, and i realise schedules are unknown for both sides, but i would just like to voice my support for KDE 4.1 in SUSE 11.0. 01:53PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> or RC3 01:53PM <Dimble:#openSUSE-project> and say thanks to you guys for the great work. :) 01:53PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> henne: that is why I said partly ;) 01:54PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> good. so any other general questions or things we should talk about? 01:54PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> kinda 01:54PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> other longstanding bugs which contributors such as me cannot fix - they are ignored and later, get bumped. Same case? 01:54PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> Dimble: can we discuss that when one of them appears ? ;) 01:54PM * jengelh/#opensuse-project searches id 01:54PM <Dimble:#openSUSE-project> yes of course, my apologies. 01:55PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: thats the same issue right? 01:55PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> not sure 01:55PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> it's much higher priority than quilt 01:55PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> at least I would judge so 01:56PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> no i mean that has same root cause of the problem 01:56PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> maintainers scheduling their buglist 01:56PM <wolfiR:#openSUSE-project> I have some examples as well 01:56PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> !bug 162673 01:56PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 162673 in openSUSE 11.0 (Firefox) "Can't load image" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162673 01:56PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> overdue almost 2 years 01:57PM <wolfiR:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: we can close it immediately because we can't fix it? 01:57PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> well if that's your policy 01:57PM <wolfiR:#openSUSE-project> it is not, therefore it's still open -:- SignOff cboltz: #opensuse-project (Remote closed the connection) | channels : #joost #suse #openSUSE-project #opensuse-buildservice 01:57PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> the point is, we can only fix a number of bugs 01:58PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> and it is hard to judge which should get fixed -:- cboltz [n=cboltz@88.134.114.107] has joined #opensuse-project 01:58PM <wolfiR:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: I see there is no reference to the upstream bug 01:58PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> but there will be always bugs, not getting fixed for a long time, just for tracking 01:58PM <wolfiR:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: that's a bug at least 01:58PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> except suddenly more bug fixer than reporters do appear ;) 01:59PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> and you guys have to see the context 01:59PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> not just the individual bug 01:59PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> well if novell could be so kind to carry on the bugreport to upstream, that'd be great 02:00PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> therefor it needs to get validated 02:00PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> and also this is work, sometimes 90% of fixing the bug 02:00PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: let's hope we will have Bugzilla upstream integration sometime... 02:00PM <SUSEhelp:#openSUSE-project> jengelh: Bug 162673 – Can't load image See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162673&x=10&y=8&=Find 02:00PM <bugbot:#openSUSE-project> openSUSE bug 162673 in openSUSE 11.0 (Firefox) "Can't load image" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162673 02:01PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> it does not help if we copy over the bugreport simply and can"t answer questions back 02:01PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> well everything is there 02:01PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> well everything to possibly answeris there 02:01PM * adrianS/#openSUSE-project has not looked into this particular bug, just wanted to explain it in general 02:02PM * wolfiR/#openSUSE-project takes care of that certain bug 02:03PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> okay anyting else? 02:03PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> yeah :) 02:03PM <cboltz:#openSUSE-project> IMHO it would be a good start if assignees would ask the bugreporter to push bugs upstream if they can't fix them theirself for whatever reason. That's better than leaving them unanswered. 02:04PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> cboltz: as Linus put it, many reporters just don't have the nerve to register at yet another bugzilla. -:- SignOff Nix: #opensuse-project (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) -:- SignOff Dimble: #opensuse-project (Remote closed the connection) 02:04PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> ah nah, all done. 02:05PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Okay that was it then. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 02:05PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> The next project meeting will be at the 19th of December. Same channel but this time at 17:00 GMT!!! 02:05PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> The next meeting is the Education meeting next tuesday at 17:00 GMT. Be there :) 02:05PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 02:05PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> I'd like a clarification on the "opensuse web server" 02:05PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: if you have a second 02:05PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> henne: I guess next is more likely gnome tomorrow 02:05PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> yaloki: yes 02:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: what's the purpose of it ? 02:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: just hosting help.o.o ? 02:06PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> Beineri: not according to the Meetings page 02:06PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> yaloki: dude youre so slow... :P 02:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: or other things like.. webpin ? 02:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> benJIman's webpin, that is 02:06PM <Beineri:#openSUSE-project> captain_magnus: when's next gnome meeting? 02:06PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> adrianS: still the same old policies ? 02:06PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> yaloki: we can host more there, the most important thing for me was to get a system where I can create accounts for some more people 02:07PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> ok 02:07PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> so the diff is just that you can give community people ssh accounts on it 02:07PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> shop.o.o might be another candidate, actually I would like to move all smaller web servers to it if possible 02:07PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> but we still cannot host "legal grey zone" stuff on it 02:07PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> right ? 02:07PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> yes and that we move the web server stuff away from our stage server 02:07PM <adrianS:#openSUSE-project> right 02:08PM <yaloki:#openSUSE-project> ok, thanks :) -:- Topic (#openSUSE-project): changed by henne: openSUSE project talk (not support) | http://news.opensuse.org | Next Meeting 19th of December: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Current | Also visit #opensuse-factory and #opensuse-buildservice 02:09PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> fsck i forgot to log :) 02:09PM <henne:#openSUSE-project> anyone? 02:09PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> Is there a way to talk to bugzilla via mail rather than always opening the slow website? 02:09PM <jengelh:#opensuse-project> !anyone 02:09PM * SUSEhelp/#openSUSE-project jumps up and down, me me me