--- Log opened Wed Oct 10 17:52:13 2007 <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! <henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. <henne> The topics for this meeting are: <henne> 0. Old Action Items <henne> 1. Status Questions <henne> 2. Questions & Answers wiki/channel

<henne> First topic. old action items (you can find them here: http://tinyurl.com/2zgf3w) <henne> Bug #164757 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 164757 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] SDB style guide / differences SDB, HOWTO" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=164757 <henne> notlocalhorst? <henne> any changes? <notlocalhorst> nope, you can skip all my ais <henne> no i wont. they are there for a friggn reason you know? :) <notlocalhorst> shut up, i'm working on wiki email right now <henne> adrianS: any changes with Bug #164761 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 164761 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] built service trust/rating system" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=164761 <henne> where is klaas? <adrianS_> not really, just that we can store user values in the user directory <Aniruddha> hi henne <Aniruddha> just letting knwo I here <adrianS_> but you do not need to repeat it each time, it will definitive not happen this year <henne> adrianS: does that help with it? <adrianS_> henne: it is the base for it <kl_eisbaer> notlocalhorst: seems to work: I've got >100 mails from webmaster@opensuse.org .... <henne> okay then set an ETA please :) <notlocalhorst> kl_eisbaer: yeah, sorry for that, read my mail on project .... <adrianS_> there is no ETA yet, plenty of other stuff made it to the roadmap, but this was not important enough <henne> adrianS_: Q1 2008? <adrianS_> no <henne> okay 2008 then <henne> where is michl? <henne> anyone knows how the shop is comming along? Bug #173961 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 173961 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] openSUSE merchandising" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=173961 <adrianS_> we have lots of other stuff to do it before, but we are happy to help anyone who want to work on it before ... <Aniruddha> hen' <Aniruddha> henne: how can I help with the shop? <henne> Aniruddha: there will be a Q/A section at the end. you can bring it up then <henne> Aniruddha: you cant. its already work in progess <Aniruddha> henne: ok <henne> notlocalhorst do you know anything about the shop? <notlocalhorst> i know that robert should work on it <henne> is he? <michl19> Robert was on vacation last week <adrianS_> robert has some other jobs atm ... <michl19> I'll check with him tomorrow <henne> so no progress? <henne> okay <adrianS_> k, we will need to discuss that with michl again .. <michl19> I doubt that we have much progress <henne> Bug #223288 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 223288 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] create installation/usage videos" [Major,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223288 <henne> notlocalhorst how far did you come? :) <notlocalhorst> sascha got the script and the mp3 files, he will finish the video soon <henne> cool <adrianS_> notlocalhorst: mp3 ? for public release ? <adrianS_> ogg .... <notlocalhorst> adrianS_: it will be a video with ogg, yes <cyberorg> adrianS, we do mp3 too now ;) <henne> no need to support that crap :) <henne> Bug #223290 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 223290 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] better wishlist handling using FATE" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223290 <henne> is actually going forward <henne> cwh is working on it <henne> Bug #229213 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 229213 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] clarify bugzilla usage for packages in build service" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229213 <henne> adrianS_: will the be solveable with user.o.o? <coolo> we have a packman component now, btw <adrianS_> uh, that is more or less done alreay <henne> okay <adrianS_> we just need a link in our web interfaces, will come soon <henne> neato! <henne> Bug #238350 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 238350 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] unmaintained wikis" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238350 <henne> notlocalhorst any news about that? <notlocalhorst> nope <henne> well how about shutting them down? <henne> especially vi? <notlocalhorst> but i will write something soon on the wiki list to improve the situation <henne> they still have 10.1 on the frontpage! <notlocalhorst> ok, will change it now ... <adrianS_> make a big disclaimer on front page and linke to en.o.o ? <Beineri> do we shutdown wikis again when they are maintained for a long time and don't find a new sysop? <coolo> adrianS_: disclaimer ala "completely useless"? <adrianS_> complete out of date <Beineri> unmaintained :-) <henne> just shut it down if even the frontpage is unmaintained <adrianS_> but if there is someone, he can imidiately start to update it <henne> does not help at all to have i rot around <henne> adrianS_: obviously there is no one <adrianS_> yes, but there could come someone <henne> and then its no problem to bring it up again <adrianS_> disclaimer & help & link is better than 404 imho ;) <henne> okay who can produce a disclaimer in vi? <notlocalhorst> ai: me <Beineri> AI adrianS ;-) <notlocalhorst> let me talk first with the maintianer <henne> Action Item notlocalhorst: put a big fat disclaimer on vi.o.o that its completely unmaintained <henne> here comes the next thing <henne> Bug #238355 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 238355 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] status of cn wiki" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238355 <notlocalhorst> on my list, made new stage wikis, need to insert the content <henne> at least its up to date <henne> Bug #267437 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 267437 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] community comitee, @opensuse.org mail addresses etc." [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=267437 <notlocalhorst> dunno <henne> still blocked right? <adrianS_> right <notlocalhorst> yes <henne> and Bug #293726 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 293726 in openSUSE.org (wiki) "[AI] Creation of Babel wiki" [Enhancement,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=293726 <henne> babel wiki? <adrianS_> nothing happend afaik <Beineri> didn't this need a mediawiki upgrade?

• Beineri resumes notlocalhorst

<notlocalhorst> darix is/was working on it <adrianS_> not that I know <notlocalhorst> and no, i don't know the status <Beineri> then it was something other we wanted to fix ;-) <henne> guys. if this becomes a dumping ground it is of no use <henne> if you cant make something happen be that honest and close the bug <Beineri> then nothing will ever happen <henne> jpr: anything to report on Bug #328611 <adrianS_> it is just not always that important than other stuff ... <bugbot> openSUSE bug 328611 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] Try out wishlist handling / feature tracking in the wiki" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=328611 <jpr> yes <henne> good :) <jpr> cyberorg, captain_magnus and I <henne> did you guys try the wiki solution? <jpr> created http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/FeaturePlanning <jpr> to review the available options <henne> nice <jpr> there is some positive feedback on partnerfate <jpr> but i only had 2 year screenshtos that were blurred <jpr> (courtesy Beineri ) <jpr> to show <jpr> so if there were some way to show them partnerfate <jpr> or test it very soon <jpr> that would be good <adrianS_> ideas.o.o might get dropped, if no one does maintain it ... <jpr> i can't access it myself actually <jpr> adrianS: thats on the con list :-) <adrianS_> good :) <henne> jpr: thats actually the next AI <henne> klaas wanted to make a fate presentation in the wiki <henne> adrianS_ do you know if he did?

• adrianS_ wonders that this has todo with gnome

<henne> Bug #328613 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 328613 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] Prepare explanation of Fate features and processses in the wiki" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=328613 <adrianS_> henne: he did not <cyberorg> so far idea looks good to us, except for the maintanence and easy tagging <jpr> voting seems like a good idea <jpr> something that is missing from fate <henne> does idea bing assigning? <coolo> can we move general discussion to the end, please? <henne> bring* <jpr> sure, so our update is: <henne> coolo: this is no general discussion this is action item handling <jpr> 1) that page <jpr> 2) need to show community members outside of novell partnerfate <henne> okay <jpr> for feedback <henne> so blocked by 328613 <henne> last AI <coolo> henne: I know, but the AI was handled when adrianS_ said "he did not" <henne> Bug #328622 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 328622 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] help.opensuse.org translations" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=328622 <henne> aka_druid: do we have all tier1 langs now? <adrianS_> some are deployed already

• henne does an svn up

<Beineri> but a language selector is missing? <notlocalhorst> is it via the language settings of the browser? <henne> just append the lang you want to index.html ;) <Beineri> great.en ;-) <henne> well i guess we have to tell that to sPIN <henne> i ping pascal and co. <henne> okay

<henne> second topic then. Status questions <henne> does anyone have any questions regarding the status mails? <henne> they are linked in the wiki (hint: read fast!) <cyberorg> can the status mails from everyone be made into one online newsletter? <adrianS_> the plan was that aj is doing that ... <henne> hm we planed to do that yes <henne> can someone kick him? <adrianS_> he is on vacation atm <henne> when hes back i am... <cyberorg> cool <henne> cyberorg: or do you volunteer? :) <cyberorg> henne, i would if i didn't already have too many things in my hands ;) <jpr> what is the wiki link for those? <henne> jpr: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2007-10-10 <henne> the status mails are linked from the agenda <notlocalhorst> idea: post them on news.o.o and make a page with the rss plugin in the wiki <cyberorg> apokryphos, ? <jpr> henne: ah, ok, we can do that for gnome <henne> jpr: would be cool <Beineri> notlocalhorst: you not really want that raw scramblings on news.o.o

• apokryphos stumbles in

<notlocalhorst> Beineri: why not, it's news <apokryphos> cyberorg: hi <Beineri> notlocalhorst: do you really think that "No mail last week, i had 2 days vacation." is interesting? <cyberorg> apokryphos, want to make a newsletter out of status mailings <notlocalhorst> Beineri: for sure ... :-) <adrianS_> it needs some redactional work, I agree ... <adrianS_> erm, you know the word I mean ;) <notlocalhorst> no <apokryphos> cyberorg: those things take a lot of time, not sure how much I'll have these days (because of everything else) <Beineri> editorial work <cyberorg> apokryphos, something along the lines of what we had "This week in ..." for compiz fusion, you can find a volunteer :) <adrianS_> Beineri: exactly ;) <henne> apokryphos: you could stop commenting on random blogs ;) <cyberorg> lol, yeah <apokryphos> I'm trying to avoid it, now ;) <adrianS_> lets ask aj first <apokryphos> commenting takes seconds though <adrianS_> he volunteered <henne> yes. adrianS_ can you talk to him? <henne> no you cant <adrianS_> I could, but I go on vacation for 2 weeks ;) <henne> notlocalhorst: your job then <henne> or michl19s <notlocalhorst> ok <henne> anything else regarding the status mails? <michl19> michl19 goes on vacation with adrianS ;-) <henne> actually i have something <michl19> at least same period <henne> anica looked at the mailinglists for some time <henne> and she came up with some nice ideas how to make them more newbie friendly <henne> im going to implement some of the ideas and start a discussion on -project <henne> just a heads up <henne> anything else? <adrianS_> have a nice evening ... <henne> okay then last topic <Beineri> adrianS_: hu? we have not finished yet...

<henne> questions and answer <henne> from the wiki: <henne> MBoman comes from the wrong side of the planet and wants to have the meeting earlier <Aniruddha> henne: Q&A? <notlocalhorst> i will ask on project, for me it's ok if we shift the meeting every 2 meetings <notlocalhorst> i don't want the same meeting twice <henne> that might be an idea <Beineri> shift to? <notlocalhorst> 14:00 is 22:00 in australia <Beineri> that's in provo quite early, right? <henne> in nuremberg too ;) <notlocalhorst> so what? somebody always can't attend <michl19> correct <henne> true. klets find out how many people would like that <sPiN> 9:45am in provo now <r0cketman> Correction. 10:45. <sPiN> touche' <henne> Action Item notlocalhorst: start discussion about project meeting time on the project mailinglist <michl19> 2pm CET is 10 pm in Australia but 6am MST <henne> Aditya wants to know why we did not update Anjuta yes <Beineri> I guess CEST? <henne> yet* <henne> Aditya: bugs belong not in this meeting but in bugzilla <henne> that was it from the wiki <henne> anything from the channel? <henne> i know Aniruddha has a question :) <Aniruddha> henne: yes! :D <jpr> a shift would help india and china as well <jpr> if it alternated <Aniruddha> I would like to set up an offical Dutch openSUSE mailing list <henne> okay. anyone against that? <henne> do we have a dutch wiki? :) <notlocalhorst> yes <adrianS_> they all can speak german anyway, not needed ;) no go for it of course ... <henne> okay then i add it <Aniruddha> adrianS carfeull adrian your threading on dangerous waters :p <Aniruddha> :) thenaks <henne> Action Item henne: create opensuse-nl@opensuse.org <henne> any other general questions? :) <Aniruddha> nope <cyberorg> i am fine with 9.30 pm meeting time <adrianS_> Aniruddha: a small comma was missing ... "no, go for it" ... change a lot ;) <Aniruddha> adrianS lol <henne> actually i would like to propose that we find people who send status mails for the big user lists <henne> opensuse and opensuse-de <henne> or is that too much? <adrianS_> I would not call it "status" anymore, but maybe "digest" <Beineri> we not even have resources/a digest for the development, why first one for user problems? <henne> well i guess it would be very interesting for coolo for instance... <Aniruddha> i feel digest is an option that shoudl always be offered <Beineri> development=development+security updates+new software in buildservice+etc <Beineri> henne: just subscribe him to the list ;-) <henne> already did tons of times ;) <henne> actualy it would mean that we had to discuss the most prominent user problems in this meeting <henne> (if there are questions left) <henne> do we want that? <henne> or should this be strictly project related? <adrianS_> well, I doubt that it make sense stuff here <adrianS_> if it was started on ml <adrianS_> a medium change will loose people and confuse others (like me ;) <henne> hm okay. was just an idea

<henne> anything else? <adrianS_> k, am I allowed to go for dinner, dear henne _ <henne> Okay that was it then. If you have more, dont hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. <henne> The next meeting will be at the 24th of October. Same time, same channel. <henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! <notlocalhorst> we will see if it's the same time :-) <henne> hehe <henne> !topicdiff <SUSEhelp> henne: Too many changes! <SUSEhelp> henne: Old topic: openSUSE project talk (not support) | http://news.opensuse.org | Next Meeting 10th October: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Current | Also visit #opensuse-factory and #opensuse-buildservice | "Announcing openSUSE 10.3 GM": http://news.opensuse.org/?p=400 <SUSEhelp> henne: Current topic: Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! <henne> home(); --- Log closed Wed Oct 10 19:01:08 2007