Speaker: jpr (18:04:43) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Introduction (jpr) jpr: welcome to the opensuse gnome team meeting! jpr: extra thanks this week to casualprogrammer who had to do the meeting foo at the last minutes jpr: alpha1 is relatively on schedule jpr: final builds look ok jpr: so should be out today or tomorrow if its not already jpr: there will be one GNOME problem jpr: for sure that is :-) FunkyPenguin: oh? +++decriptor thinks wow only one :P jpr: gconf2-branding-openSUSE is missing on the dvd jpr: it can be ignored during install jpr: or adding the online repo during the install vuntz: yay, an openSUSE-GNOME-upstream DVD! ;-) jpr: will solve the probelm FunkyPenguin: ewe! does that mean we get the ugly looking upstream one? jpr: kind of :-) decriptor: jpr: but its ok on the live disk? captain_magnus_: 4 workspaces? jpr: decriptor: afaik jpr: captain_magnus: well, thats the default now or soon anyhow jpr: as per last week's discussion

Speaker: suseROCKS (18:07:34) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress -Helping hands update (suseROCKS) jpr: no suseRocks today decriptor: what? jpr: does anyone know the next HH topics? jpr: i think compiz and a couple others were discussed jpr: it was great to see the 88 people or whatever it was in the channel last friday decriptor: jpr: push this til later maybe? jpr: yah vuntz: captain_magnus_: I submitted a package for 4 workspaces, but maybe too late for this alpha

Speaker: jpr (18:09:01) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress -Planned 11.0 Updates (jpr) jpr: so jpr: just some FYI's on 11.0 updates that are probable jpr: packagekit (sreeves) jpr: (in progress) jpr: pulseaudio (rodrigo) jpr: (one release made, probably another update coming) jpr: yast-gtk (jpr) jpr: (should be released shortly) jpr: monsoon (FunkyPenguin) jpr: FunkyPenguin: update there? jpr: gnome-web-photo (vuntz) jpr: vuntz: update there? jpr: gvfs (hpj) jpr: hpj: update there? vuntz: yep. I'd like people who can reproduce bug 395920 (famous gnome-web-photo crash) to test the package I linked to in the last comment vuntz: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=395920 bugbot: New openSUSE 11.1 (GNOME) bug 411897 filed by Jags_FL@yahoo.com. bugbot: Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/411897 Critical, P5 - None, NEW, OpenSUSE 11.01 Alpha1 Error : "Main Menu" has quit unexpectedly jpr: general update (several) vuntz: (I'm not able to reproduce the crash myself, and I can only guess that it's happening because of non-initialized memory) jpr: federico1: i believe you have main-menu fixes and proxy setting gui fixes jpr: i've got a default applications fix vuntz: jpr: was wondering if it makes sense to update gnome-panel so that groupwise and exchange appointments appear in the calendar, alongside a performance fix (async calendar loading) jpr: vuntz: that would be great jpr: (at least for me!) federico3: jpr: yeah, I need to submit those for 11.0 vuntz: heh jpr: vuntz: co-ordinate with federico3 jpr: iirc hpj has fixes for some gvfs crashes we don't have any direct reports of, but are definitely there jpr: FunkyPenguin said something earlier about getting with alan decriptor: vuntz: same here :) jpr: to get a monsoon update jpr: anything else on updates? federico3: captain_magnus: (did you get my reply? I got disconnected shortly after typing it)

Speaker: captain_magnus (18:14:05) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Pattern Review (captain_magnus) jpr: captain_magnus: just a quick update on the timeline ? captain_magnus_: Yeah, I'll make sure to have it done this weekend and I'll send out an email to the ml about it... jpr: ok jpr: as a note jpr: we are extremely tight on x86_64 live CD again jpr: as is KDE jpr: deps keep rising jpr: more and more packages jpr: and data captain_magnus_: Time for a live dvd :-0 jpr: almost +++vuntz won't propose to drop OOo but thinks it very loud :-) jpr: OO on the live is actually a big advantage for us over Fedora's live i think actually

Speaker: jpr (18:16:47) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Feature review (jpr) jpr: ok jpr: i haven't gotten anywhere on this sadly jpr: with the exception of some internal assignments :-) FunkyPenguin: jpr: sorry, monsoon patch is kind of in the works. FunkyPenguin: kind of because i haven't seen alan decriptor: jpr: why don't we include gnome-ppp? jpr: decriptor: for Q&A section :-) decriptor: oops decriptor: sorry jpr: i'll get the internal assignments reflected in the wiki as soon as i can jpr: and get the rest of the discussion going jpr: and i'll point out jpr: with the new ability for ANY one of you to submit package updates jpr: you all have the opportunity to make fixes and contribute jpr: :-) jpr: (wow, fast meeting so far) captain_magnus_: Is that working now? mw: yeah mw: submit submit submit mw: captain_magnus_: yes it is! vuntz: captain_magnus_: it's awesome captain_magnus_: Cool :-) jpr: if we have time, maybe mw can do a little walk through jpr: +1 :-)

Speaker: all (18:20:20) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Feature update (all) jpr: PackageKit - sreeves jpr: sreeves on vacation, 0.2.3 is submitted but not on alpha1 decriptor: jpr: utah holiday jpr: it adds firmware updating, multiple package installation captain_magnus_: We really need to get rid of all those annoying dialog boxes in PK... It should just change the icon or something... jpr: allows updating only security items jpr: captain_magnus: true vuntz: captain_magnus_: I actually find annoying how often the icon changes jpr: coming soon will be the missing mime type foo sontek: I have no idea what the different icons are trying to reflect vuntz: like download, read metadata, clean, download, read, clean, etc. +++decriptor hates it when it constantly doesn't work and bombs out captain_magnus_: vuntz: Sure... But less annoying that 1 error dialog box per repo when it can't connect to them :-) jpr: Multiscreen (federico) captain_magnus_: decriptor: Good thing that you can now submit patches to fix that :-) jpr: federico3: plans, updates, hackfests? federico3: ok federico3: I talked to JPR yesterday about what remains to be done in the multiscreen stuff: federico3: - make sure Fn-F7 works on most laptops federico3: - finish the rotation stuff in the new tray icon federico3: - label the physical monitors while editing the configuration, so it's easier to know which one is which federico3: so I'm going to be working on that captain_magnus_: federico3: Any chance that we can get the SaX people to add a VirtualSize by default in xorg.conf? jpr: and resapplet will leave as a separate item? federico3: captain_magnus: oh, yes, I forgot about that :) federico3: captain_magnus: yeah, hopefully we can get them to do that. decriptor: captain_magnus_: gotta work on them code'n skillz federico3: jpr: resapplet will disappear, and we'll replace it with a tray icon that runs in gnome-settings-daemon (that works now, it's justnot finished yet) vuntz: federico3: hopefilly, this icon will be shown only on tablet pc or when a second monitor is plugged? decriptor: federico3: do you have a link for people to test? jpr: federico3: what about the ati and nouveau driver defaults? jpr: vuntz: oh? i kind of like switching the resolution quickly on my laptop jpr: vuntz: at least having it there all the time as an option would be nice i think captain_magnus_: jpr: +1 federico3: vuntz: we can't always detect hotplug due to hardware and driver limitations - so I'm thinking of just leaving the tray icon there vuntz: jpr: ok. I must be weird then. It's only lost space on my panel, for me :-) federico3: decriptor: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Multiscreen - but it's slightly outdated right now. All the current code comes in 11.0 and the 11.1 alphas decriptor: vuntz: you don't have like 3 or 4 panels :P captain_magnus_: vuntz: Make the notification area able to use more than one row :-) vuntz: captain_magnus_: you should ask upstream about this :-P federico3: jpr: for 11.1 we have radeonrandr12 as the default (thankfully!). I don't know about nouveau. captain_magnus_: vuntz: I just did suggest it to you... How much more upstream can I go? ;-) jpr: federico3: there are nouveau settings on the page vuntz: captain_magnus_: I'm not upstream here ;-) captain_magnus_: Hehe federico3: jpr: certainly not added by me :) I don't have anything but ATI here vuntz: fwiw, with the workspace switcher back, space on the panel is precious jpr: vuntz: if you use a wide three text item menu :-) cosimoc: captain_magnus_, federico3, i have posted two gnome-main-menu patches at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544539 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544538, maybe someone can have a look at them bugbot: Gnome bug 544539 in gnome-main-menu (general) "Can't build against NetworkManager 0.7 trunk" [Blocker,Unconfirmed] jpr: federico3: ok, anything else? vuntz: jpr: we'll discuss this in the Q&A jpr: GDM (hpj) jpr: hpj well be checking in the new GDM shortly, we're going for it jpr: lots of testing is in order jpr: especially if you do anything to your gdm config files jpr: ok jpr: extra topic jpr: mw: can you do a quick walk through of the process for submitting packages? mw: sure federico3: cosimoc: let me look

Speaker: mw (18:32:32) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - External contributions (mw) mw: first, i'd advice everyone who hasn't already to look at http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Collaboration mw: that's the official documentation mw: anyway, if you're interested in working on a package: mw: 1) osc branch openSUSE:Factory <package> mw: osc is smart enough to make the branch from the project where actual development takes place mw: so, if you're branching a gnome package, it will create the project/package home:you:branches:GNOME:Factory/<package> mw: so you can check that out, make changes, build it, etc mw: when you're happy with it, you need to commit (thereby pushing your changes back to the upstream build service server) mw: and then mw: 2) osc submitreq mw: in your working directory, that alone should do the right thing mw: oops, osc submitrec create mw: in your working directory, that alone should do the right thing mw: one argument that isn't required is -m "message" mw: please use it! jpr: mw: what about .changes files? jpr: or entries mw: ah mw: well, people working on gnome packages should also look at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Packaging_policy jpr: ok jpr: questions about that? mw: please try to write good ones jpr: where is that changelog wiki entry? mw: if you're updating package's version, an overview of the changes is very helpful jpr: http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Changelogs mw: if you're adding a patch, _name the patch!_, and say what it's for mw: that is, mention the patch by name mw: i will reject submissions with excessively laconic changelogs jpr: mw: how often are you reviewing the list? mw: jpr: good question mw: jpr: about once a day so far jpr: ok jpr: now that this is ready jpr: does anyone think jpr: gnome-easy-fix is a good idea jpr: for external contributors? jpr: (ie bug tagging) mw: +1 vuntz: good way to start, yes jpr: ok jpr: AI: add gnome-easy-fix to the tagging page (mw) jpr: :-)

Speaker: jpr/all (18:44:20) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Agenda (jpr/all) jpr: agenda items jpr: HH update jpr: 11.0 Updates Review jpr: Feature Review jpr: Feature Update jpr: vuntz: policy stuff again? jpr: Pattern Review (captain_magnus) jpr: other stuff? vuntz: mmh, yeah. I should have a current list of things next week jpr: opensuse-tutorial's for gnome update? captain_magnus_: jpr: Bugzilla Product for our AI entries Update :-) jpr: (great nautilus tutorial there btw!) jpr: Bugzilla product for AI jpr: sontek: you want to give a status in the meeting next week? +++FunkyPenguin wonders now would be a good time to try and get people to chip in and hack a solid bugzilla desktop client ;) jpr: i think tasque has support for bugzilla? +++jpr could be on crack

Speaker: jpr (18:47:46) ChanServ has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Q&A jpr: questions? FunkyPenguin: jpr: share the love vuntz: jpr: going back to the 11.0 updates. There's a patch for a devhelp crash (I need to make sure it works first, though). Sounds good? jpr: vuntz: sounds good for the general gnome update swamp id, yes vuntz: cool vuntz: also, re the panel fullness: do we recommend a minimum screen resolution? captain_magnus_: vuntz: 1920x1200 :-) vuntz: like 800x600 or 1024x768 federico3: when will we get a real NetworkManager 0.7 with a stable API? vuntz: captain_magnus_: heh tambeti: federico3: a always, in a couple of weeks :/ federico3: this thing about "let's change this GArray return value for a GList every three months because it's the fashion of the day" is pretty silly +++federico3 hugs tambeti tambeti: federico3: feel free to assign me any bugs caused by that +++decriptor wonders why there isn't dialup support NM jpr: vuntz: technically we should support 800x600, but 1024x768 has always been more realistic tambeti: decriptor: landlineA tambeti: decriptor: landline? jpr: because of various apps and dialogs federico3: tambeti: I ok'd cosimoc's patch for http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544539 fwiw bugbot: Gnome bug 544539 in gnome-main-menu (general) "Can't build against NetworkManager 0.7 trunk" [Blocker,Assigned] decriptor: tambeti: yes, and tethering tambeti: decriptor: what's tethering? cosimoc: federico3, can i commit also the other trivial one as well? decriptor: tambeti: hooking up your trio or blackberry, etc for internet connection (they use ppp to do it) tambeti: decriptor: landline modems are not supported mostly because they can't be detected autmatically and they don't work without proprietary binary-only drivers decriptor: tambeti: over bluetooth decriptor: tambeti: makes sense tambeti: decriptor: bluetooth is being worked on FunkyPenguin: decriptor: tethering should work, depending on of the phone is recognised i think +++FunkyPenguin needs to try with his nokia and sony ericsson decriptor: bluetooth doesn't seem to be the issue, but a good way to setup the ppp stuff federico3: cosimoc: the g_critical one? sure - see my comments in the bug psankar: FunkyPenguin: Since bugzilla supports RSS export, any RSS reader will solve the problem, doesn't it ? tambeti: decriptor: NM has a "good way to set up ppp stuff", it just doesn't support bluetooth devices decriptor: tambeti: oh I missed it then decriptor: I had the bluetooth working but didn't see any ppp stuff in NM tambeti: decriptor: it currently works for gsm and cdma data cards decriptor: oh decriptor: it would be nice if the fail message was a dialog though on that decriptor: instead of printing it out to the console FunkyPenguin: psankar: rss isnt quite what im after, im talking about a full fat client to do my bidding rather than relying on the browser captain_magnus_ left the room (quit: "Leaving"). tambeti: decriptor: which error is that? FunkyPenguin: something along the lines of deskzilla - it funnily enough can't connect to bnc (error 400) decriptor: no cdma/gsm device found jpr: final questions? psankar: FunkyPenguin: yeah. You can use an RSS reader like : evolution-rss or liferea or google-reader (with offline) decriptor: jpr: anyone have tutorials that they want to submit to oS-T decriptor: tambeti: if you edit connections and click add under mobile broadband nothing happens psankar: FunkyPenguin: i mean offline thick rss reader... may be we will chat after the meeting jpr: ok - thanks all! FunkyPenguin: psankar: definately jpr: see you next week