Speaker: mw (18:05:01) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is on: Introduction (mw); see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current mw: Well, JP couldn't make it this week, so you're again stuck with me +++suseROCKs behaves nicely so mw doesn't send him to the box. mw: hehe mw: speaking of boxes, i got my opensuse 11.0 box a few minutes ago mw: it looks nice, but i haven't opened it yet rodrigo_: it's got nice stickers for your laptop suseROCKs: hmm I wonder if mine is on the way then. mw: Anyway, let's get going with the agenda

Speaker: vuntz (18:06:39) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is on: User topics: 11.1 features (vuntz); see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current mw: vuntz: are you around? suseROCKs: he said he would miss the first part of the meeting, but that he had nothing to say. mw: ok rodrigo_: meeting notes at 80.59.90.211 via gobby if you want to help :) rodrigo_: password 'gnome' mw: Does anyone else have anything interesting to say about 11.1 features? mw: one thing that i can add is that gnome 2.23.4 has been mostly submitted to Factory, so it should start appearing soon rodrigo_: have people added new ideas to the 11.1 ideas page? suseROCKs: will 11.1 be 2.23 or 2.24? mw: suseROCKs: iirc, the plan is 2.24.1 mw: gekker: is that correct? suseROCKs: Though I'm not particularly into sound issues, I'm seeing posts replete about PulseAudio confusion. That's something that definitely needs cleaning up in 11.1 mw: i agree rodrigo_: suseROCKs: yes, it's planned federico1: for 11.1 we'll definitely have better multihead support (more automatic / less manual, less buggy) suseROCKs: We need an expert on that topic to monitor #suse, (not me) because I see many questions being unanswered. rodrigo_: suseROCKs: about PA? suseROCKs: rodrigo_: yes claes: A wiki page with usual problems with PA perhaps? rodrigo_: hmm, need to add that to my list of words to highlight on pidgni AlbertoP: can the pulsaudio "connection refused" issue be fixed? gekker: mw: definitely not 2.23, 2.24.0 or 2.24.1, depending on if upstream holds to the schedule gekker: i'm expecting 2.24.1 rodrigo_: AlbertoP: it is fixed, just waiting for submission AlbertoP: ah ok AlbertoP: thanks :) mw: gekker: nod. gnome upstream is really good like that :) rodrigo_: AlbertoP: for the time being, just set /desktop/gnome/sound/enable_esd to false in gconf AlbertoP: hum suseROCKs: the deadline for 11.1 ideas submission should be more broadly announced on ML's so we get more ideas in time? +++gekker blames rodrigo_ AlbertoP: ok rodrigo_: :) mw: claes: There's some info on PA in the wiki already at http://en.opensuse.org/Sound-concepts#PulseAudio, but it could certainly use some expansion suseROCKs: let's get the wiki info expanded/cleaned up and then get a factoid created !pulseaudio to link users who have questions. rodrigo_: ok, I'll add that AI to me mw: AI: suseROCKs: expand the info in the wiki on PA mw: or you, rodrigo_ :) rodrigo_: suseROCKs: you want to do it? +++suseROCKs might break his promise to behave if mw keeps doing that. suseROCKs: rodrigo_: yes ask the deaf guy to do the pulse audio stuff.. suseROCKs: :-) rodrigo_: ok, I'll do it, just thought mw assigned it to you for some reason :) suseROCKs: I'll help with reviewing it for you once I hook up speakers, but for the time being, I'm clueless on PA stuff. rodrigo_: ok mw: i like assigning tasks to the first person who mentions them ;) suseROCKs: rodrigo_: mw was just being mean and hurtful.  :-) rodrigo_: :) mw: suseROCKs: i agree about spreading the word about 11.1 ideas more widely mw: suseROCKs: to a few mailing lists and maybe on news.o.o too suseROCKs: mw yes mw: anyone want to do that? suseROCKs: AI to me for bringing it up in the first place. rodrigo_: yeah mw: great suseROCKs: we only have a week left on that deadline, right? mw: suseROCKs: it's soon, at any rate rodrigo_: yes, Friday next week we said, right? suseROCKs: one thing, I'm not on the opensuse@opensuse mailing list. Any of you on it? rodrigo_: I am suseROCKs: ok partial AI to rodrigo_ to post to oS by copy-pasting my announcement. rodrigo_: ok mw: ok, anything else anybody would like to add about 11.1 in general? suseROCKs: not from me mw: ok, time to move forward then

Speaker: suseROCKs (18:20:55) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is on: User topics: Helping Hands update (suseROCKs); see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/ | Testing needed: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing mw: suseROCKs: it's all you suseROCKs: ok, our first presentation is tomorrow. Let's meet after the meeting to discuss various topics we'll all cover. I don't want to take up too much of this meeting's time. suseROCKs: But the next three will be evolution, open office, and multiscreen suseROCKs: would like your opinion, should we NOT have one next week, since in the US it is Independence day (July 4th) and people are going to Guadec +++rodrigo_ will be at guadec-es so +1 rodrigo_: +1 for NOT having it next week suseROCKs: too late rodrigo_  :-) suseROCKs: on a separate note, looks like we might go to the big time with Helping Hands. suseROCKs: And cover all sections of openSUSE, probably create a formal IRC channel as well. suseROCKs: So some eyes will be watching tomorrow's event for that purpose. Please do show up to offer your expertise on relevant topics. suseROCKs: 14:30 UTC tmw ( federico1 that's 9:30 a.m. to you) suseROCKs: unless anyone has any questions or comments, I'm done with this topic until after the meeting. +++suseROCKs tasers mw to get moving... federico1: suseROCKs: I may be in a bit later than that tomorrow suseROCKs: federico1: tmw will be a two hour event, so should be fine. federico1: ok federico1: suseROCKs: btw, mw just called me saying that his connection dropped suseROCKs: mw seems to have disappeared, so federico1 can you take the next topic? (multiscreening) mw left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). suseROCKs: federico1 lost connection too? They must be using Taco Bell for their ISP down there... rodrigo_: :) mw [n=mw@189.146.14.153] entered the room. federico1: sre federico1: so, multiscreen federico1: nothing is changed yet from what we have in 11.0 suseROCKs: Ahh Taco Bell ISP is back online federico1: the code upstream was happening in Git branches, which are now merged into the GNOME 2.23 mainline mw: yeah mw: sorry about that :( mode (+o mw ) by ChanServ federico1: so 2.23 already comes with multiscreen support in gnome-control-center not as an openSUSE patch, but as stock functionality federico1: however, there are a lot of things missing: federico1: 1. many problems in X drivers. Those are hard to fix and will take time.

Speaker: federico (18:32:19) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is on: Developer Topics: multiscreen update (federico1); see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current federico1: 2. Missing functionality in gnome-settings-daemon / gnome-control-center. I'm working on that, as are Søren Sandmann from Red Hat, and Bryce Harrington and James Westby from Ubuntu federico1: 3. Application bugs. You can see a bunch of those in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=374148 bugbot: openSUSE bug 374148 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "Tracker bug for multiscreen bugs" [Critical,New] rodrigo_: will the g-s-d/g-c-c changes be ready for 2.24? mw: should that bug be changed to 11.1? federico1: rodrigo_: remind me of the deadline? federico1: mw: ah, yes +++federico1 changes rodrigo_: federico1: around end of july is feature freeze IIRC federico1: rodrigo_: hmm, it's a bit tight, but I'll see what I can do federico1: rodrigo_: but all the big pieces are in place now; right now we mostly need polish and automation federico1: (and special cases for sucky X drivers, etc.) suseROCKs: What do the Polish people have to do with it? rodrigo_: federico1: ah then I'll accept any fixes after feature freeze :) suseROCKs: casualprogrammer: are you here? federico1: rodrigo_: cool :) +++federico1 thinks rodrigo is overdue for a visit to mexico suseROCKs: doesn't rodrigo_ have to learn the language first? rodrigo_: federico1: yeah :) rodrigo_: suseROCKs: yes, but I've got federico1 and mw to practice :-) mw: qué dithes tío suseROCKs: dithes = dishes with a lisp? rodrigo_: nah, those mexicans have the wrong pronunciation :) mw: suseROCKs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceceo, but that's way off topic mw: federico1: anyway, anything else to mention? suseROCKs: :-) federico1: mw: nothing more for now, I think mw: great

Speaker: everyone (18:40:23) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is on: Agenda for the next meeting (everyone); see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/ | Testing needed: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing +++suseROCKs imagines a great wall of monitors once multiscreen is done. suseROCKs: mw: in light of holidays and guadec, should we not have next week's meeting? mw: suseROCKs: well, it'd be on the 3rd, right? suseROCKs: mw correct mw: so no holidays (that i know about), and i think people flying to guadec will be leaving later than that mw: but correct me if i'm wrong on either count suseROCKs: i'd never correct you. I'm afraid of the box. suseROCKs: we need to put benchmark/performance testing back in the agenda. mw: ok suseROCKs: casualprogrammer had some comments about it the other day saying it wasn't the direction he wanted to go in after last week's meeting (which he wasn't present for) suseROCKs: and captain_magnus expressed an interest in getting involved in the scripting idea hpj proposed. mw: ok, that will make a great topic to discuss mw: anything else? suseROCKs: we should probably add a topic to review any new common issues we see users having (like what I did earlier about PA) mw: ok, so somebody should troll through a few channels and mailing lists looking for common problems suseROCKs: we all should troll and report back what we perceive. mw: well, troll in the "search" sense suseROCKs: :-) mw: not cause flames :) mw: anyway, that's something to go on mw: anything else? suseROCKs: Slightly off topic, I do see our channel being extremely quiet compared to normal this week. suseROCKs: I'm hoping its because users are so satisfied they don't come looking for help. rodrigo_: yeah, that's it :) afonit: ha rodrigo_: or people are too busy with the kde flames in opensuse :) lewing: they're all just trying to get their wireless working again ;) rodrigo_: :D rodrigo_: and have no sound for their alarms :) cyberorg: suseROCKs, captain_magnus is away suseROCKs: cyberorg: yes he is. cyberorg: didn't the statistics say he made up for 90% of all the chat in here? rodrigo_: I guess tomorrow we'll get a few more regular people for the channel, I hope suseROCKs: cyberorg: LOL AlbertoP: geez...Novell site search _sucks_ suseROCKs: but people should be coming here for my charm and wit. AlbertoP: where did they hide the odf-converter? mw: ok, so whoever draws up the agenda for next week should take sr's suggestions into account suseROCKs: !offtopic @ AlbertoP SUSEhelp: AlbertoP: This channel is for technical support and discussion, please take off-topic chat to #opensuse-chat suseROCKs: :-) mw: Q&A time AlbertoP: the download search engine didn't find it

Speaker: everyone (18:49:07) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is on: Q&A (everyone); see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current suseROCKs: mw: what issr's suggestion? AlbertoP: oops sorry cyberorg: talking about wireless, i tried ubuntu live CD, and it showed notification icon with information about my wireless, and it automatically pulled firmware after i said ok mw: sounds slick suseROCKs: I have two Q's so I'm going to jump in here... suseROCKs: First one, might be aimed at federico1 if he is still here? cyberorg: on opensuse i always have to go on wiki, hunt for link to firmware and get it working :( so my question is, can we get that in 11.1? rodrigo_: cyberorg: add it to the ideas page :-) suseROCKs: cyberorg: you should post that in the Ideas page cyberorg: cool, will do suseROCKs: ok guess federico1 isn't here, so I'll ask generally. My resapplet is only showing 1024x768 as the highest, but in sax2 I configured to 1280x800. Why can't I see higher rez? suseROCKs: and while you're all fumbling to answer that question... second question: Who is maintaining gdesklets here? rodrigo_: I think you should be forgeting about resapplet federico1: suseROCKs: do you have an intel graphics card? rodrigo_: and use the display capplet suseROCKs: federico1: no nvidia 7300 GT mw: suseROCKs: i don't think we have a designated gdesklets pro here federico1: suseROCKs: which driver? suseROCKs: federico1: whatever came from nvidia's repo federico1: suseROCKs: grep -A4 -e 'drivers' /var/log/Xorg.0.log suseROCKs: federico1: http://www.pastebin.ca/1056510 suseROCKs: mw: I was looking at gdesklets last night and it seemed like a cool topic to talk about tmw, but I encountered what might be a bug and wanted to see if someone could work with me on it to see if it was a local pibcak or an actual bug. rodrigo_: suseROCKs: what you want to do with gdesklets? suseROCKs: rodrigo_: gdesklets won't let me reconfigure after the first time. The applet doesn't give me the ability to right click a menu anymore. +++rodrigo_ installs gdesklets suseROCKs: so I have no way to add more desklets, etc. afonit: does screenlets not do the same things cyberorg: rodrigo_, about compiz update, coolo doesn't mind if we push 0.7.6 via online update, we should as it contains many many fixes see bug #400088 bugbot: openSUSE bug 400088 in openSUSE 11.0 (Xgl) "compiz-kde4 links -lplasma for no apparent reason" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugzilla.novell.com/400088 rodrigo_: cyberorg: ok, file/mark a bug as gnome-update and assign it to me, please rodrigo_: ah, or just change the existing bug, yes federico1: suseROCKs: what does "xrandr -q" say? suseROCKs: federico1: http://www.pastebin.ca/1056518 cyberorg: rodrigo_, reassigned the existing one to you\ rodrigo_: ok mw: any other questions or answers before we wrap this up? suseROCKs: mw: one other thing... mw: sure federico1: suseROCKs: first, your driver doesn't support RANDR 1.2. Second, I'm not sure if it's actually a driver problem or an xorg.conf / SaX problem. Let's discuss that later :) suseROCKs: watching #suse more these past few days, I see alot of names I never saw in our channel before giving gnome support. mw: i like hearing that suseROCKs: I'm wondering if they're unaware of us? seems like we should do more to join forces. rodrigo_: yeah, sure mw: good question suseROCKs: federico1: okay suseROCKs: ok if the meeting's over, I'd like a quick Helping Hands meeting +++mw declares it over suseROCKs: oh by the way everyone! suseROCKs: next week is first thur of month... earlier timeshift (19:05:23) mw has changed the topic to: Meeting is done; transcript coming soon