Speaker: jpr (06:10:28 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Introduction (jpr) jpr: Welcome to the openSUSE GNOME meeting! hobbsc: alright! suseROCKs: Third time's the charm! +++hobbsc golf clap jpr: i suspect this will be a quick one as I have made a right hash of it jpr: and i apologize jpr: i totally forgot bugbot: New openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) bug 397548 filed by merztronics@yahoo.co.uk. bugbot: Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=397548 Normal, P5 - None, NEW, Gnome clock applet wont change between 12 and 24 hour display jpr: so we might curtail some topics this week

Speaker: jpr (06:11:59 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Nominating Bug-X for Maintenance Updates (jpr) jpr: if you have a bug you would like to see pushed as a maintenance update, please either vote for it jpr: or tag it as gnome-update jpr: these will not be the final tags jpr: but they will do for now jpr: are there any in particular that people would like to see covered? sontek: Right now if I add google calendar to evolution, it locks up gnome-panel vuntz: sontek: it's a known bug upstream, which is, well, not easy to fix sontek: ok :) vuntz: (I'm upstream in this case :-)) sontek: fix it! *stomps foot* sontek: ;) suseROCKs: so stop using gnome-panel?  :-) rodrigo_: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=396775 bugbot: openSUSE bug 396775 in openSUSE 11.0 (Mono) "Mono applications don't finish" [Normal,New] rodrigo_: is anyone seeing that one again ? vuntz: sontek: I'll hopefully have time to fix it during GNOME 2.23, but it's unlikely to happen in 2.22 (and openSUSE 11.0) since the change is intrusive hobbsc: is the installer bug in consideration? hobbsc: issues with smaller displays hobbsc: i forget the number sontek: vuntz: could we hide google cal from being added? jpr: its not currently jpr: please tag it hobbsc: adding it to my list vuntz: sontek: that would have to be done in evo sontek: rodrigo_: I just tried that with banshee and it did close rodrigo_: sontek: does ps show it running ? sontek: rodrigo_: nope, same with monsoon rodrigo_: ok FunkyPenguin: im with sontek on this one (until bongo is stable again) rodrigo_: I might be missing some update FunkyPenguin: for the google calendar fix jpr: others? hpj: bug 375153 :) bugbot: openSUSE bug 375153 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "gnome-terminal windows start up at wrong size" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/375153 hpj: it's an upstream bug though jpr: ok

Speaker: hobbsc (06:19:14 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Announce date for next Bug Day (hobbsc) jpr: hobbsc: ... hobbsc: first off, thanks again for the effort put forth last time hobbsc: we've got roughly 100 bugs left suseROCKs: Arent some bugs good for the environment? hobbsc: I'm going to schedule the meeting for 11 JUNE 2008 at 0800 CDT if there aren't any objections hobbsc: i've gotten the day off again hobbsc: and i will be sticking around until we finish the 100 bugs hobbsc: however long that may take rodrigo_: cool hobbsc: we did 80-90 in ~9 hours jpr: nice hobbsc: so i figure a 10 hour marathon run or something hobbsc: i need to find a better way to organize bug assignment hobbsc: i may just simply make a list hobbsc: and assign them in channel vuntz: hobbsc: what about using gobby? hobbsc: then update the reviewed ones as we go hobbsc: vuntz: link vuntz: the wiki seems slow to use vuntz: zypper in gobby :-) rodrigo_: yeah, gobby should work hobbsc: vuntz: it is slow, that's why i got caught up like i did hobbsc: i fumbled a couple of times hobbsc: i just need to manage the bugs in progress and who they're assigned to hobbsc: then mark them as reviewed hobbsc: i'll install gobby and see what i can do from there jpr: we need benJIman to extend bugbot somemore hobbsc: i don't want to overcomplicate this jpr: bugbot: review GNOME-10.3 next vuntz: hobbsc: with gobby, people could directly assign themselves to a bug and mark the bug as reviewed, without conflict hobbsc: between now and then i'll compile a list of the remaining bugs jpr: :-) hobbsc: vuntz: i'll check that out hobbsc: see if i can't get it running over the weekend vuntz: hobbsc: you'll need to have someone else play with you so that you can see the collaborative side of it hobbsc: any volunteers? sontek: i'll be on a flight Saturday, but Sunday I can collab vuntz: I'm away this week-end, but we can look that out later today if you want hobbsc: i can do later today rodrigo_: hobbsc: just tell me where to connect when you set up the session hobbsc: alright, tell you what hobbsc: i'll get gobby running at the house or here at the office hobbsc: and i'll release the information hobbsc: keep an eye on http://altbit.org hobbsc: i'll post the info there hobbsc: later today jpr: and the date again is June 11? hobbsc: correct hobbsc: 0800 CDT hobbsc: i'll send an announcement by sunday +++jpr mentions hobbsc kicks ass for posterity in the minutes hobbsc: most likely today or tomorrow hobbsc: thanks :) vuntz: hobbsc: make sure to put the UTC time in the announcement ;-) hobbsc: vuntz: i always do :) rodrigo_: :D

Speaker: jpr (06:26:05 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Start discussing 11.1 features ( jpr) jpr: so jpr: quick one hobbsc: i want a coffee maker built in :) jpr: Start adding ideas to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 hobbsc: sudo code me a coffee maker... jpr: the http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.0 ideas that were not done jpr: need to be transferred as well probably jpr: volunteers for that? +++hobbsc raises hand jpr: cheers +++suseROCKs lowers hand jpr: either way :-) hobbsc: you can have it if you want hobbsc: i still need to work out the bug list jpr: start brainstorming for 11.1 hobbsc: so if you want to take it, that's fine suseROCKs: ok I'll do it. Shouldn't take much time jpr: alpha0 might be in as little as 3 weeks :-) suseROCKs: really? That soon? casualprogrammer [n=antonyar@p54A8910D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] entered the room. suseROCKs: Will we have time to enjoy 11.0?  :-) jpr: no rest for the wicked

Speaker: vuntz (06:28:06 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Marketing ideas to promote 11.0 release (vuntz) jpr: vuntz: ... vuntz: so vuntz: the goal is to gather ideas on how to promote 11.0 vuntz: the work done on the GNOME side, but also on a more general point of view vuntz: I guess most of us will blog about it hobbsc: i'll be kind, my last few posts weren't so nice heh FunkyPenguin: sledgehammers and baseball bats have an uncanny way of convincing people what's good for them :) hobbsc: but i'll certainly blog it hobbsc: FunkyPenguin: +1 vuntz: might be nice to do some small posts until the release highlighting what's new in 11.0 jpr: a lot of reviews have discussed having good rollouts of both desktops vuntz: like rodrigo_'s post about PA today hobbsc: is there a feature list somewhere? suseROCKs: 50% off discount on the price of openSUSE 11.0 downloads for the first two weeks? hobbsc: release notes, i guess jpr: there is a feature list on the wiki jpr: coolo pointed at it for testing purposes vuntz: federico1's randr1.2 work is an example suseROCKs: How about an authentic autographed 11.0 DVD from JPR? vuntz: I also like sbrabec's work on the branding stuff, which makes it easier to get upstream behavior (I'm obsessed about upstream, I know ;-)) hpj: balloons hpj: you can't go wrong with balloons vuntz: heh suseROCKs: hpj: true but jpr isn't *always* full of hot air... vuntz: each one of us should take a 11.0 photo of himself and blog it ;-) jpr: vuntz: also easier to customize sbrabec: vuntz: We still missed gnome-menus. vuntz: sbrabec: true sbrabec: And I plan to create artwork:branding:example project. ferulo: os11 repos are not up yet, are they? vuntz: sbrabec: quite a good start, though :-) rodrigo_: who updates the feature list ? hpj: seriously though. screenshots. hobbsc: vuntz: along with the picture idea, what about a "why i use opensuse-gnome", or "how i use opensuse-gnome" post? jpr: screenshots on the repo hpj: it's what people want jpr: ferulo: not final ones hpj: any blogs about it need to link screenshots suseROCKs: I know gimp isn't openSUSE specific, but lately with my web work, I'm finding that gimp really kicks the ass of Mac users in so many ways. We need to promote that and a benefit. ferulo: ok, so I'll wait for updating my repos :) vuntz: hobbsc: if you can reply to those questions, sure, do it! shashish left the room (quit: "Leaving"). vuntz: might also be nice to discuss with zonker since he's pushing for a marketing team hobbsc: vuntz: i'll cobble up a 'why i use opensuse-gnome/features in gnome' post suseROCKs: how come zonker isn't here now?  :( hobbsc: isn't he traveling? jpr: he travel's a lot jpr: he's hit and miss and meetings like this vuntz: I think he's back home, but not sure suseROCKs: well he's not dribbling the ball... :-) FunkyPenguin: suseROCKs: im sure he'll be here in a moment hobbsc: anybody have a list to that feature list? hobbsc: link* hobbsc: i'm not seeing it hobbsc: perhaps i'm looking in the wrong spots rodrigo_: zonker helped me some weeks ago to hand over some 10.3 DVDs for a course at the Salamanca university, that's a good way of promotion, apart from blogs, screenshots, etc suseROCKs: vuntz: here's a question for you in terms of marketing jbrockmeier [n=jzb@242695hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com] entered the room. hobbsc: speak o fthe devil jbrockmeier: howdy suseROCKs: Are you thinking of new Linux users or of users from other distors? jbrockmeier: I just can't say no to FunkyPenguin suseROCKs: his wife can! jbrockmeier: ouch hobbsc: disregard, i found the link jbrockmeier: what's up? hobbsc: just for reference: http://en.opensuse.org/Testing:Features_11.0 vuntz: jbrockmeier: gnome meeting, and we're discussing 11.0 promotion jbrockmeier: oh, hey - yeah, we *should* promote 11.0 jbrockmeier: ;-) hobbsc: i'll cobble together a "why i use opensuse/features in 11.0" post this afternoon FunkyPenguin: not just GNOME but certainly highlighting the progress there in hobbsc: i'm also pushing 11.0 pretty hard here in the office suseROCKs: Here's my question for inviting new users. When I show them all the things I can do compared to their Windows or Mac machines, they're like wow. Then when I tell them it is free, they're like... "ewww" hobbsc: you have to get passed the m$ zealots, too suseROCKs: How do I break down that "free = bad" barrier? jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: push the retail box jbrockmeier: ;-) hobbsc: i.e. not very tech saavy folks who are attached to redmond's nipple vuntz: exactly jbrockmeier: I'm actually not kidding jbrockmeier: I'm writing a post about that right now suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: and what commission do I get from that?  :-) jbrockmeier: tell someone who's unfamilar with Linux that it's "free" and they're like "um, OK" hpj: do we have a retail box page with pictures of the box atm? jbrockmeier: tell them it's $60 for all that software, and they're like "BARGAIN" jbrockmeier: hpj: yes, just a sec hpj: jbrockmeier: awesome. i agree. hpj: jbrockmeier: i read an article about the "free" problem not so long ago and it resonated jbrockmeier: http://en.opensuse.org/Buy_openSUSE suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: one problem, a number of us complained about the scant contents of the box in the last release hobbsc: so what are the advantages of buying the boxed set other than supporting the cause? +++vuntz gives up: jbrockmeier is way faster than him jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: yeah, I know suseROCKs: plus slow release time of the box after 10.3 was released. jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: let me be brutally honest hpj: hobbsc: nice box, good feeling of buying something physical :) suseROCKs: it's harder to sell when the fire isn't hot. jbrockmeier: that isn't any better in this version jbrockmeier: however jbrockmeier: if we don't sell well, it's not going to improve jbrockmeier: I know that's an ugly catch 22, but there it is - we have to make a case for further investment. jbrockmeier: and I'm working on that, but I am hoping that by pushing the retail box harder this time we can show there's demand suseROCKs: ok here's my case. I used to buy boxes. Because I liked getting the printed material. I never do anymore.  :-) jbrockmeier: and then convince Novell corporate that there's a good reason to invest further jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: I understand. KevinYo [n=KevinYo@opensuse/member/Kdupuy9] entered the room. jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: but with this version, my hands are tied. :( suseROCKs: but I do like your point about selling the box rather than downloading for free. suseROCKs: what other benefits come with the box? hpj: it says 90-day installation support jbrockmeier: 90-day support, startup guide suseROCKs: and if it takes 90 days to install, you got problems.  :-) hobbsc: is that a "call novell and leave a message" support? jbrockmeier: lol jbrockmeier: hobbsc: I think we have live operators standing by KevinYo: LOL. 90 day support covers more than just the install, BTW ;-) Riggwelter: jbrockmeier: Better than dead ones hobbsc: because one might as well use forums and irc hpj: though i bet at this point that most people who get opensuse but need support are getting it through a friend/relative who can provide said support jbrockmeier: hobbsc: but I'll make a point of calling for support when it's released, see what the experience is like. hobbsc: jbrockmeier: test them! hobbsc: heh KevinYo: I've always had a great experiance with support Riggwelter: KevinYo: Is it def. more than just install support - when I worked for SUSE, it was install support only and even that was very tightly defined jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: my suggestion would be for every openSUSE supporter to buy a box and give it to a friend or family member, rather than a burned DVD. rodrigo_: non-technical users love forums, so we should just point people prominently to forums.o.o, shouldn't we ? rodrigo_: apart from having technical service, of course hobbsc: jbrockmeier: outstanding idea hobbsc: i'll buy a box for the release hpj: jbrockmeier: we'll be able to get them from amazon, right? suseROCKs: aha! A hidden membership fee!  :-) jbrockmeier: hpj: hmmm... I think so. KevinYo: Well, it's basically, from my experiance with them, it's all aspects of getting your system set up Riggwelter: rodrigo_: forums.o.o doesn't exist yet does it? jbrockmeier: Riggwelter: Monday KevinYo: jbrockmeier: they're selling them through Amazon? vuntz: so, err, can we get back on track? :-) Riggwelter: jbrockmeier: hi-five jbrockmeier: launch is june 9 jbrockmeier: vuntz: sorry :_) jbrockmeier: er, :-) vuntz: jbrockmeier: what can we do to help promotion? jbrockmeier: vuntz: I don't know if you saw, but I announced the marketing team yesterday vuntz: yep jbrockmeier: I'd like one or two GNOME reps to join the list and help jbrockmeier: FunkyPenguin is already on, I believe jbrockmeier: anyone having a launch party? Riggwelter: FunkyPenguin: is de man! suseROCKs: I'd volunteer! hobbsc: i wish i had enough people interested for a launch party vuntz: suseROCKs: cool hobbsc: alas, it would be just me and my party hat hobbsc: maybe my dog hobbsc: :/ hobbsc: my wonderful fiancee would probably support me and make a geeko cake or something jbrockmeier: vuntz: can you make sure the launch is covered on the GNOME news site(s)? suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: how do I volunteer? jbrockmeier: maybe we could do a joint announcement with the GNOME Foundation? vuntz: suseROCKs, FunkyPenguin: make sure to relay the relevant information here or to the opensuse-gnome mailing list too jbrockmeier: I don't think I've seen that before, but maybe we could start a trend... jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: for the marketing team? just join the mailing list and jump in! suseROCKs: vuntz: absolutely suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: okay will do vuntz: jbrockmeier: the Foundation won't do this. We've never done this for other distros, and I think the board wouldn't like the idea vuntz: jbrockmeier: feel free to mail us (board at gnome org) jbrockmeier: vuntz: OK vuntz: jbrockmeier: any specific GNOME news site you're thinking of? vuntz: jbrockmeier: planet gnome will have many posts, I guess FunkyPenguin: vuntz: dont worry i will, i'll also make a point of advertising the meetings a bit better Riggwelter: ok, gonna go read to Rigg Jr - l8rs suseROCKs: Riggwelter: wait FunkyPenguin: ciao Riggwelter hobbsc: Riggwelter: later suseROCKs: Read Rigg Jr an 11.0 documentation vuntz: jbrockmeier: and gnomedesktop.org is slowly dying vuntz: hrm jbrockmeier: vuntz: wasn't there a footnotes site or something like that? jbrockmeier: also, tips page for 11.0: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_11.0_Tips vuntz: we should play with suse studio to make an "upstream gnome live-cd" jbrockmeier: something the marketing team will work on jbrockmeier: and would be good to have a bunch of GNOME tips vuntz: jbrockmeier: yeah, that's gnomedesktop.org jbrockmeier: ah, so it is. jbrockmeier: vuntz: sorry to see it dying :( casualprogrammer: vuntz: add a live USB stick.. vuntz: casualprogrammer: nod vuntz: does anybody have access to suse studio here? suseROCKs: but live USB sticks appeal to the more geeky crowd. Mass appeal isn't going to help since mass users don't comprehend that an OS isn't hard coded to a machine. suseROCKs: what is Suse Studio? jbrockmeier: http://studio.suse.com/ suseROCKs: oh, it's a website.  :-) jpr: see LinuxTag presentation from Nat psankar: jpr, any url where I have the video of Nat ? hpj: KevinYo: i think i saw 10.2 or 10.3 on amazon suseROCKs: hey that studio looks cool sandy|real: anybody here use xchat-gnome with python plugins? I can't figure out how to set that up...my regular xchat supports it KevinYo: hpj: Huh. I think it depends on the country. I'll check for the US. hobbsc: suseROCKs: i second that on the usb stick jpr: sandy|real: meeting in progress, wait for qa please sandy|real: oh I'm sorry suseROCKs: KevinYo: I've been buying SUSE off of Amazon for years here in the US jpr: ok jpr: to wrap up on this jpr: we have some volunteers for the marketing list jpr: we need screenshots, tips, howto's on the wiki jpr: we need blogs +++casualprogrammer wonders why a live CD should be considered as "hard coded to a machine" live is live, no need to hardcode since the first Knoppix arrived.. jpr: we can look at leveraging suse studio suseROCKs: I wonder what its going to be like being on the same team with Capo jbrockmeier jpr: anything i missed? casualprogrammer: we can post in user forae.. jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: amazingly fun ;-) KevinYo: lol jbrockmeier: jpr: I think that's everything jbrockmeier: jpr: more may come up on the mktg team list. jpr: ok suseROCKs: <( is a walking billboard on IRC

Speaker: jpr / All (06:57:50 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Agenda for upcoming meeting (jpr / All) jpr: so, i think we need: jpr: # Nominating Bug-X for Maintenance Updates (jpr / All) jpr: # Announce date for next Bug Day (hobbsc) jpr: back jpr: next week hobbsc: jpr: we've already announced the next bug day, no? hobbsc: it's the day before next weeks meeting jpr: along with jpr: Start discussing 11.1 features ( jpr / All ) jpr: hobbsc: oops, yes, bad c/p suseROCKs: hey wait a minute, I came to this meeting thrice today and I'm getting skipped?  :-) jpr: do we need to discuss the marketing idesa again? hobbsc: i think a blogging series would be a good idea to discuss jpr: suseROCKs: oh, i thought we covered your stuff in the last topic jpr: Marketing ideas to promote 11.0 release (vuntz / All) suseROCKs: no I didn't want to upstage vuntz vuntz: jpr: might be nice to have a small status update for the promotion stuff, yes jpr: ok hobbsc: vuntz: want to collaborate on a post format or something? vuntz: hobbsc: I think we should collect topics and try to do daily posts hobbsc: vuntz: lets go over that sometimes oon hobbsc: soon* hobbsc: i dig that idea suseROCKs: I need someone to suggest a name for the idea cappy and I have about increasing awareness of gnome usability. suseROCKs: GNOME HowTo sounds boring, Clinic sounds clinical :-), Outreach? FunkyPenguin: suseROCKs: Helping Hand of the Garden Gaurdians suseROCKs: FunkyPenguin: too short. FunkyPenguin: hehe rodrigo_: :) FunkyPenguin: ok what about GNOME Helping Hand suseROCKs: What I'm going to do is create a set of pages on the wiki under GNOME with one page being a list of suggested topics and volunteers to present that topic casualprogrammer: suseROCKs: GNOME rocks rodrigo_: I like G Helping Hand hobbsc: helping FOOT hobbsc: heh AlbertoP: ^^ suseROCKs: Helping Hand does have a nice cozy feel to it FunkyPenguin: heh, yeah that's actually better, thanks hobbsc - GNOME Helping Foot suseROCKs: how did Gnome come up with a foot logo anyway... rodrigo_: yeahm with Foot it's better hpj: "helping foot" sounds like it's designed to stomp on you hpj: also "foot in mouth" suseROCKs: so within the next week after that page is set up, will you all visit it and determine what topics you may be an expert in and can educate new users on and volunteer for it? rodrigo_: +1 casualprogrammer: +1 KevinYo: Yeah hpj: ok suseROCKs: I think that'll really boost the newcomers to stick around, when usually you see new triers take off after a short while. suseROCKs: We're gonna call this Gnome Helping Hand (or Foot)? rodrigo_: I prefer Foot sreeves: -1 for foot. brings to mind how my dad would help me when I did not do the dishes suseROCKs: So do the dishes! casualprogrammer: suseROCKs: foot is not understandable for newbies KevinYo: If you use foot, bu sure to put the GNOME logo somewhere on that page so people might understand it better ;-) suseROCKs: maybe "HowTo" is still the safest route? jpr: it fits in the wiki hpj: i liked helping hand jpr: we have existing howto's there jpr: (very little/none for GNOME) suseROCKs: ok so http://opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos casualprogrammer: we could call it "How to GNOME" instead of GNOME How To suseROCKs: or http://opensuse.org/GNOME/HelpingHands suseROCKs: HelpingHands sounds like it could grow into larger possibilities with community contributions KevinYo: I vote HelpingHands suseROCKs: Anyone else? sreeves: +1 hands +++vuntz has no strong opinion for the name rodrigo_: for the wiki page organization, I would vote for GNOME/HowTos rodrigo_: then you can call the project in the actual content whatever it is +++casualprogrammer votes with vuntz jpr: lets see where existing HowTos are rodrigo_: thus we can change the name suseROCKs: for vuntz http://opensuse.org/GNOME/IceCream hobbsc: vuntz: +1 suseROCKs: any other voters? vuntz: seems weird to reach a consensus on "no strong opinion" ;-) suseROCKs: damn you vuntz for screwing up the consensus.  :-) jpr: hehe jpr: are we good on this? srag [n=sragavan@123.237.143.194] entered the room. KevinYo: http://opensuse/org/GNOME/NoStrongOpinion casualprogrammer: KevinYo: +1 suseROCKs: ok we're not voting too well here. And I'm at a loss on what to call the wiki page before I get started. suseROCKs: I have no clue as to wheter a wiki page can be renamed after it has been created. hobbsc: just make a redirect rodrigo_: then let's just use GNOME/HowTos casualprogrammer: suseROCKs: everybody can think it over and we vote next meeting ? KevinYo: suseROCKS: You can move it. rodrigo_: it already exists suseROCKs: ok

Speaker: jpr / All (07:14:33 PM) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting In Progress - Q&A jpr: questions? suseROCKs: What is opensuse? KevinYo: Well folks that just about sums it up... suseROCKs: I'm asking philosphically... like "Is there a God?" KevinYo: ah suseROCKs: :-) +++hobbsc delcares unix jihad on suseROCKs +++hobbsc crusades +++KevinYo ducks suseROCKs: hobbsc: you're fighting against a hearing and visually impaired guy. Where's teh challenge?  :-) hobbsc: vuntz & rodrigo_: i'll have something set up for gobby this afternoon rodrigo_: ok hobbsc: suseROCKs: i require glasses, so we're on a semi-even playing field KevinYo: suseROCKs: I suppose it depends on whether you're referring to the project or the OD hobbsc: i'll either mention it here or post it on my blog KevinYo: *OS hobbsc: better yet, pass me your email addresses? suseROCKs: ok I'm going too. Three meetings is enough for one day.  :-) hobbsc: chris@altbit.org here jpr: casualprogrammer: i think you had a q? FunkyPenguin: suseROCKs: for starters, Green is the new Brown. also redemption can only be attained through the mystical powers of the geeko hobbsc: next thing you know, FunkyPenguin is going to start mumbling and levitating hobbsc: linux nirvana or something vuntz: hobbsc: ok, ping me when you're ready to test gobby FunkyPenguin: anyone able to help with sandy|real's question - anybody here use xchat-gnome with python plugins? I can't figure out how to set that up...my regular xchat supports i suseROCKs: Damn FunkyPenguin is good! hobbsc: vuntz: can do. what timezone are you in? +++hobbsc uses irssi sandy|real: sorry again for interrupting the meeting...I totally forgot to check the topic first vuntz: hobbsc: UTC+2 jpr: anything else? hobbsc: rodrigo_: timezone? FunkyPenguin: sandy|real: we all do the same :) /me certainly does jpr: i think casualprogrammer 's question was about whether or not we should list meeting participants in the notes vuntz: hobbsc: he's UTC+2 too, iirc rodrigo_: hobbsc: same as vuntz hobbsc: alright, i'll ping you both vuntz: (yay, I was right! :-)) suseROCKs: jpr no because not all meeting participants are vocal, but that doesn't make them any less participatory jpr: he suggested people just say "Hi" at a roll cal time rodrigo_: vuntz: yeah, France keeps following Spain's daylight changes all the time :-D jpr: ie the start hobbsc: perhaps list who led what discussion? hobbsc: do you guys keep record of the meetings? hobbsc: chat logs, etc. jpr: yes rodrigo_: hobbsc: of the meetings yes hobbsc: that should show who's participating, no? jpr: they are recorded an on the meeting archives page jpr: for the summary notes that get sent out he meant rodrigo_: in fact, someone needs to send this meeting's log to casualprogrammer vuntz: I'm mixed on listing the participants vuntz: it's useful when you have a meeting with a determined set of participants, but our meetings are open to everyone, so it's a bit different suseROCKs: and we don't know who on the list is actually "participating" or simply "logged in" suseROCKs: It'd be the Michigan Delegates debacle all over again. jpr: i'm mixed too jpr: the idea is to show lots of activity and/or drive even more hobbsc: what's the point of listing them? hobbsc: ah hobbsc: ok jpr: "hey those people are doing stff" hobbsc: i'm fine either way suseROCKs: so we'll list everyone who is on the nicklist at the time of the meeting? jpr: i'm not sure suseROCKs: that would be really bad. jpr: but casualprogrammer can read this feedback above jpr: Thanks all!