Speaker: jpr (18:09:00) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in Progress - jpr jpr: welcome to the opensuse gnome team meeting! jpr: rc1 is out jpr: we have a few problems jpr: keep reporting those bugs :-) mw: jpr: so you're ok to run it, then? mhwork|gone is now known as mhutch jpr: mw: yep

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(18:09:53) jpr has changed the topic to: Factory testing discussion (everyone) jpr: we have three ship stoppers i know of jpr: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=390658 bugbot: openSUSE bug 390658 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "dvd install: After a reboot, I'm asked to enter the root password for "piwo"" [Blocker,New] jpr: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=395445 bugbot: openSUSE bug 395445 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "gpk-update-icon crashes after get updates failed dialog box" [Blocker,Resolved: duplicate] jpr: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391865 bugbot: openSUSE bug 391865 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "Industrial icons are no more" [Major,Needinfo] jpr: (for gnome) casualprogrammer: why would 390658 be a ship stopper ? hpj: i kind of hate the "firefox crashes on window closed" one too jpr: casualprogrammer: because its incomprehensible to the normal person jpr: "enter password for command yast2 piwo" +++casualprogrammer didn't even report the piwo issue, it did not hinder him in any way jpr: so its mostly a usability thing casualprogrammer: jpr: that is true jpr: other factory issues? jpr: i heard stuff about package integrity hpj: window positions are messed up when restoring a session jpr: and zypper looping on updates hpj: (hang on) rodrigo_: kernel not booting even with the acpi=off thing, because of SATA drivers irq's vuntz: hpj: not really new, though, is it? rodrigo_: fixed with irqpoll on the kernel parameters hpj: vuntz: new with gnome 2.22 hpj: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=375153 bugbot: openSUSE bug 375153 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "gnome-terminal windows start up at wrong size" [Normal,New] hpj: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377721 bugbot: openSUSE bug 377721 in openSUSE 11.0 (Basesystem) "Firefox crashes when closing window" [Critical,Assigned] hpj: those are my biggest annoyances :) casualprogrammer: hpj: do they depend on som configuration issue ? I have experienced none of them so far casualprogrammer: som read some hpj: maybe hpj: 375153 is upstream too hpj: and happens with a clean account jpr: other factory comments? jpr: or other under prioritized bugs? rodrigo_: is anyone seeing cutting sound with pulseaudio ? sontek: I am rodrigo_: sontek: when you switch workspaces ? +++casualprogrammer wonders how rodrigo_can see sound.. sontek: My flash videos just skip all the time, switching workspaces or not rodrigo_: casualprogrammer: totem shows nice graphics :-) wfarr: sontek: ++ sontek: it doesn't happen in 10.3 though casualprogrammer: rodrigo_: :-) rodrigo_: sontek: oh, flash support is known to be flaky AlbertoP: casualprogrammer, he's the powah! :) federico1: resapplet remains borked on i915 graphics; I'm taking care of those rodrigo_: sontek: do you "hear" it with banshee or other apps casualprogrammer: AlbertoP: :-) sontek: rodrigo_: no, banshee works fine sontek: but my audio disappears sometimes and I have to restart alsasound sontek: not sure if thats pulse's fault though rodrigo_: not sure, might be, check if the pa daemon is still running when that happens sandy: I've had to restart the pulseaudio daemon hobbsc: you guys using rc1 yet? +++federico1 is downloading it hpj: i was downloading it overnight but then the files got renamed hpj: so i've started it up again hpj: just now sontek: I dup'd, haven't reinstalled though hobbsc: yeah, i think i'm going to dup jpr: re-installing is always a good test jpr: last call hobbsc: last call for? hpj: yeah, in my exp. dup != clean install jpr: more factory comments ;-0 hobbsc: oh, didn't know i walked in on a meeting hobbsc: sorry hobbsc: i should've known jpr: i heard the following big issues jpr: 1. packagekit crashing and root dialog jpr: 2. pulseaudio stuttering jpr: 3. resapplet i915 issues jpr: 4. firefox crash jpr: the terminal one is annoying but not exactly a shipstopper candidate jpr: easily fixed by update post-release sontek: the gpk applet crashes everytime I start up now I think. jpr: did i miss anything/ hpj: my terminals getting jumbled :) hpj: although i think it happens to all windows jpr: ok

Speaker: hobbsc (18:27:05) jpr has changed the topic to: Bug Day for 10.3 (hobbsc) hpj: i.e. window position information gets jumbled on session restore sontek: whats happening with resapplet i915? I could do some testing jpr: sontek: yes it does federico1: hpj: we don't really expose session management these days, do we? jpr: so hpj: federico1: in what way? jpr: before hobbsc wraps up federico1: sontek: talk to me taler :) federico1: s/taler/later sontek: ok jpr: let me just say what a fantastic bug day we had yesterday because of him federico1: hpj: no more visible "save session" checkbox when logging out federico1: jpr: YES hpj: federico1: it's in the control center federico1: hobbsc rocks hpj: yeah, big thanks to hobbsc hpj: that was a smashing bug day jpr: and thanks to everyone who looked at bugs hpj: casualprogrammer did a great job too rodrigo_: sorry for not attending, was flying back home jpr: casualprogrammer, riggwelter, vuntz, federico, sreeves, who ever hpj: he did a lot of bugs that i saw jpr: hobbsc: care for a quick wrap up and to maybe postulate on when we might finish it off hobbsc: if you guys want to finish off the rest of the bugs, we'll have to pick a weekend +++casualprogrammer thinks we were a perfect team, but hobbsc was extra class hobbsc: at any rate, thanks to everyone hobbsc: you guys were great hobbsc: sorry i fumbled a couple of times hobbsc: but we reviewed 87-91 bugs hobbsc: closed about half of those hobbsc: in a timespan of about 9 hours hobbsc: outstanding work hobbsc: and thank you all for the kind words hobbsc: as for finishing up the rest of them, like i said, we'd have to pick a weekend as i don't know when i'll be able to take another day off like that hobbsc: they usually give me 1-2 paid days off for oss projects hobbsc: i could always take a vacation day :) federico1: how many bugs are remaining? rodrigo_: that's dedication, getting vacation for bug days :-) hobbsc: 130ish hobbsc: well hobbsc: that's not entirely true hobbsc: some were reviewed but left open hobbsc: i'd say about 100 hobbsc: i can compile a list if you guys would like rodrigo_: so, when are we doing the next bug day then? hobbsc: i'm not entirely sure. i'll probably be rebuilding mail servers here at the office this weekend hobbsc: i can try to schedule a vacation day to run it again next week or maybe next weekend? hobbsc: unless someone else is running it jpr: i think a two week gap would probably be fine jpr: or that AlbertoP: what happened to icons in rc1? AlbertoP: they're "old style" on dvd :-? hobbsc: well, i can request vacation next week if necessary, or we can do it next weekend if i'm the one to run it wfarr: AlbertoP: known bug AlbertoP: ah ok AlbertoP: :) hpj: is there anything we can do to make them give you more paid oss time? :) hobbsc: well, like i said, i get a few days a month hobbsc: i'd have to request it rodrigo_: for oss work ? hobbsc: but two days that close together would be difficult to swing vuntz: hobbsc: two weeks sounds good to me hobbsc: rodrigo_: yeah, they give me a few days off a week for oss work rodrigo_: cool hpj: two weeks is fine w/ me too hobbsc: ok, let me look at my calendar wfarr: AlbertoP: Specifically, take a gander at bug 391865 bugbot: openSUSE bug 391865 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "Industrial icons are no more" [Major,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/391865 hobbsc: lets tentatively plan for the 11th of june, that's exactly 2 weeks bugbot: New openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) bug 395497 filed by dliang@novell.com. bugbot: Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=395497 Enhancement, P5 - None, NEW, Cannot restore the trash file in Nautilus jpr: hobbsc: excellent hobbsc: i'll see if i can get a day off for that, otherwise, i'll swing a vacation day

Speaker: jpr

(18:39:21) jpr has changed the topic to: Bug voting (jpr) jpr: just a reminder, you all have bugzilla votes jpr: the current gnome bugs that have votes are; jpr: well jpr: there are a lot jpr: each with 1-8 votes jpr: we don't have any of the top 10 voted ones jpr: but i'd like to see us have some jpr: since we know we aren't perfect jpr: http://tinyurl.com/3or3gv jpr: has all the bugs in 11.0/11.1 with votes jpr: i wholeheartedly agree with the top one jpr: anything more on voting +++vuntz thought we were perfect ;-) hobbsc: jpr: the parallel downloads one? hobbsc: ignore that hobbsc: you heard nothing +++hobbsc goes back to lurking jpr: so tell us whats bothering you the most

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(18:43:41) jpr has changed the topic to: Agenda for upcoming meeting (jpr / all) jpr: so rodrigo_: I expect bug 395349 to get more votes, given the recent kernel not booting problems bugbot: openSUSE bug 395349 in openSUSE 11.1 (YaST2) "kernel : let there be two generations of kernel on updating" [Enhancement,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/395349 +++casualprogrammer is downloading rc1 dvd iso jpr: short meeting jpr: whats up for next week hobbsc: i'll solidify a bug day date/time jpr: it will be time to start nominating bugx for maintenance updates hobbsc: i'll have approval by then jpr: so we should discuss that jpr: and soon to start discussing 11.1 features jpr: ok jpr: other agenda items vuntz: marketing ideas to promote the 11.0 release? casualprogrammer: jpr: how to proceed on the patterns issue we discussed last time ? jpr: vuntz: good one sontek: I think we should get printed cd's/dvd's to user groups to hand out for their release parties jpr: casualprogrammer: sure, there are some internal rumblings about that as well jpr: sontek: we do have some of that KevinYo: sontek: The thing about that is since goldmaster is one week before release, can the 11.0 disks get out to the user groups in time? jpr: sontek: notlocalhorst and zonker can help deliver there hobbsc: side note, is the next meeting next thursday? jpr: KevinYo: dunno jpr: hobbsc: yes casualprogrammer: jpr: is there a budget like ubuntu where you can order dvd's for free ? hobbsc: thanks jpr: casualprogrammer: there was not for 10.3 jpr: i don't know about 11.0 jpr: but with the live cd jpr: its faster just to download generally KevinYo: You can request bulk DVDs for events, I know. I don't think there are free printed DVDs for personal use jpr: other agenda items vuntz: can someone ping me by mail so that I add the june meetings to the opensuse calendar once I'll be home? :-) casualprogrammer: jpr: a surprisingly high number of people don't have flatrates thes days sontek: The dvd/cd's are nice to hand out, "Hey, try this!", can't rely on people to download it, if they haven't heard about it =) KevinYo: If you're interested enough, you can also buy the box. federico1: vuntz: pinged jpr: ok vuntz: federico1: I wouldn't even have dared of dreaming that you would mail me ;-) jpr: think we have an agenda vuntz: jpr: next meeting is at a different time, right? (first meeting of the month)

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(18:50:14) jpr has changed the topic to: Q&A jpr: qa jpr: questions KevinYo: I've got a question: in Factory, it has the version of Banshee as 0.98.3, meaning an alpha version. KevinYo: There on Beta 2, in 0.99.something, is it possible to update that this late in the game? federico1: vuntz: you are in that select group of people jpr: KevinYo: its up to abock to dump that in jpr: abock: ... sontek: are we planning on launching gnome-do on startup? jpr: sontek: no sontek: we install it by default now jpr: there is a bug to autostart it jpr: but it was too late for 11.0 jpr: other q's jpr: ok jpr: thanks all jpr: see you next week1