Speaker: jpr jpr: Welcome to the opensuse-gnome meeting! **suseROCKs stands up and does the One-Man Wave jpr: just a reminder that next week will be the monthly time shift meeting jpr: as we rush headlong to 11.0 jpr: and speaking of that...

Speaker: everyone jpr: Factory seems pretty ok right now to me captain_magnus: Factory rocks :-) vuntz: factory is getting pretty good jpr: the beta1 installation mess was a bit disappointing jpr: but it should be solved for b2 suseROCKs: b2 comes out when? jpr: although hpj is looking into CD size jpr: next week vuntz: ah, there's still the wireless that doesn't work because of the security level Riggwelter: Is the installer for the GNOME CD Gtk+ based now? captain_magnus: May 2 openSUSE 11.0 Beta 2 vuntz: also the thinkpad keys for volume down/up/mute that don't work jpr: vuntz: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=380095 bugbot: openSUSE bug 380095 in openSUSE 11.0 (Basesystem) "dbus and policykit permissions too restricted in secure mode" [Critical,New] vuntz: yep hpj: the firewall was causing me some trouble with outgoing connections jpr: and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=369535 bugbot: openSUSE bug 369535 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "No OSD for display brightness and volume" [Major,New] hpj: when enabled, it seemed to make some connections stall after a short while federico1: mmeeks: you can do that with window groups if you are careful jpr: we should talk to thoenig again about that one vuntz: that's the two big visible bugs for me here vuntz: hrm, didn't try suspend & hibernate jpr: other comments on factory? federico1: mmeeks: gtk_window_group_new, gtk_window_group_add_window Riggwelter: Factory as a whole is shaping up nicely, it's mostly little niggly bugs that take the shine off now from my perspective hpj: the installer is a lot better vuntz: still have the epiphany crash when updating avahi suseROCKs: Then Brits have such cute words to describe things. hpj: it's actually pretty intelligent about picking the partitioning setup now **Riggwelter hasn['t installed since A1 or A2 vuntz: bug 377903 jpr: coolo is looking for some help with: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=382158 jpr: for b2 bugbot: openSUSE bug 382158 in openSUSE 11.0 (Live Medium) "Cannot format mounted partition" [Normal,Assigned] jpr: writing a small help program for the yast team jpr: federico1, hpj, vuntz : you probably know the most about mounting/unmounting here vuntz: it seems to me that factory boots faster than before too (might be a wrong impression, though) **federico1 looks **Riggwelter is mostly waiting for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=380708 to make it into Factory bugbot: openSUSE bug 380708 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "drop gnome2-SuSE" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] hpj: jpr: i'm not sure how to go about that hpj: jpr: but if i miraculously clear my plate i might look into it **suseROCKs leaves the "knows most about mounting" comment alone hpj: jpr: i'd prefer to spend all my time fixing our bugs though :) jpr: hpj: just need to enumerate the devices and send the unmount command jpr: i might ask fejj **Riggwelter gives suseROCKs a beer jpr: he could probably easily do this AlbertoP: who's the packagekit installer/updater maintainer? vuntz: jpr: shouldn't be hard to do with gio jpr: ok, more discussion after :-)

Speaker: Federico jpr: federico1: ... jpr: AlbertoP: meeting in progress... AlbertoP: oops, sorry vuntz: (although we might not know what is /dev/sda3 in gio) jpr: federico1: poke poke captain_magnus: dum de dum... vuntz: ah, there's g_unix_mount_point_get_device_path() **vuntz stops talking suseROCKs: federico1: is making a grand entrance presentation here. federico1: well suseROCKs: he's waiting for one of us to do the drum roll federico1: Rodrigo is mentoring a GNOME client for the Build Service federico1: I think that's the only gnome-related project for openSUSE federico1: oh, probably the LTSP project, too jpr: yes, we also have cyberorg and sbrabec mentoring stuff jpr: so our little channel has some nice involvement :-) lewing: I'm mentoring alan on monsoon for mono but it is somewhat relevant here jpr: ooh, nice suseROCKs: So these will all be GSoC's? lewing: and f-spot has 3 projects federico1: lewing_: ooh, that made it in? nice lewing: yeah hpj: <3 F-Spot **captain_magnus says ohh like everyone else... ;-) jpr: excellent

Speaker: vuntz jpr: vuntz: ... suseROCKs: oops... DRUMROLL VUNTZ vuntz: pretty much in progress vuntz: I sent a list of changes that we can safely remove vuntz: nobody against them so far jpr: vuntz: can we do it in time for b2? vuntz: I also proposed a few more, which are being discussed vuntz: jpr: what's the deadline for package submission? Monday? jpr: monday for leaf packages jpr: afaik vuntz: I should be able to do it, then vuntz: I'll be travelling back from Spain the morning, but I'll be home the afternoon jpr: GUADEMY! jpr: sounds good suseROCKs: vuntz: let us know if the rain really does mainly fall on the plain in spain federico1: speaking of policy **hub jealous jpr: any one want to bring up an policy issues? federico1: I was about to rebase a big nautilus mega-patch we had in 10.3 vuntz: there was also a proposal for a policy change from mmeeks federico1: it changes the policy for which drives/volumes to show on the desktop federico1: upstream just shows mounted volumes (or automounted ones) vuntz: "do not require password to change the time in the clock applet. See bug 381357" bugbot: openSUSE bug 381357 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "policykit: authentication ..." [Minor,Resolved: later] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381357 sontek: I didn't see mention of changing the settings for the window list applet, but I think it should be changed to only show apps on the current desktop federico1: but upstream doesn't show things like floppies, which don't provide notification when media is inserted federico1: so our patch made it so that such media gets always displayed (i.e. if you have a floppy drive, you'll always have a floppy icon in the desktop, whether it's mounted or not) federico1: but it's a huge patch jpr: federico1: how else do you mount a floppy though? federico1: and I haven't seen anyone complain about floppies on 11.0 yet... vuntz: sontek: it was not part of my list where a consensus should be trivially reached suseROCKs: Does anyone use floppies anymore? federico1: jpr: you put it in, open a Nautilus window, hit Go/Computer (we hide the Computer icon, remember) and there double-click on Floppy vuntz: floppies are displayed in the panel menu bar and in the nautilus sidebar, iirc vuntz: and in computer: indeed captain_magnus: federico1: I'd vote for not putting the patch in since nobody complained... Less stuff to maintain federico1: ooh, vuntz is right - floppies appear in the Places sidebar federico1: that's one part of this mega-patch that *did* make it upstream :) **jpr kind of wants the computer button back too jpr: federico1: it sounds like this is all tied together jpr: federico1: perhaps discuss with jimmac ? jpr: the UI team originally proposed all this vuntz: jpr: back on the desktop? suseROCKs: What was the computer button? jpr: vuntz: jpr: floppy on the desktop is nice though federico1: jpr: ok, I'll ask them jpr: much quicker captain_magnus: suseROCKs: Show's a "Computer" on the Desktop I think vuntz: /apps/nautilus/desktop/computer_icon_visible ? federico1: suseROCKs: type Control-L then computer:/// in a nautilus window jpr: yah, the makes it easier to get to browsing the network too suseROCKs: oh sort of like "My Computer" on Windows? AlbertoP: suseROCKs, it shows what you see clicking on "Computer" in Nautilus **suseROCKs doesn't do control+L in Nautilus. That's for amateurs like captain_magnus :-) jpr: ok, anything else on the policy stuff? captain_magnus: I wonder what normal users would think when they see "Computer" in the panel and "Computer" on the Desktop jpr: vunguess controversial stuff may need to be pushed to 11.1 as we get later in the cycle? jpr: not enough time for discussion vuntz: yeah **captain_magnus is looking forward to 11.1 :-) vuntz: it's probably better to start freezing a bit things vuntz: I'd love to hear what people think of mmeeks' proposal vuntz: not requiring the password to change the time in the clock applet hpj: captain_magnstill think "Computer" in the panel should really be "Menu" captain_magnus: hpj: Sounds good... Change approved and signed by me... Go ahead and change it... :-) jpr: hehe

Speaker: jpr hpj: :) srag: hey jpr captain_magnus: jpr: You're up jpr: ok, federico1 did a great job finishing off all the bug tagging yesterday srag: j jpr: all 11.0 bugs are classified now captain_magnus: srag: Meeting in progress jpr: see http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Bugs jpr: for queries jpr: i'm hoping that all gnome-showstoppers will be fixed for b2 jpr: except the packagekit one **suseROCKs gives federico1 one of vuntz's ice creams as a reward. captain_magnus: jpr: I'm struggling to understand the real difference between crash and show_stoppe Shouldn't all crashes be blockers? jpr: federico1: ^^ captain_magnus: jmean, at least in the packages that we install by default jpr: depends on how it crashes jpr: if it crashes on start up every time federico1: captain_magnus: crash is "something crashes" suseROCKs: a show stopper prevents use of the computer as a basic functionality. A crash may not stop use of the computer. federico1: captain_magnus: showstopper is "nothing works", or "it'sreally hard to get work done once you hit this bug" captain_magnus: Ok **munkii storms in the room, with his shirt untucked "sorry i'm late" federico1: captain_magncrash in a 5-deep nested dialog may not be as horrible as (say) nautilus crashing as soon as you open a window captain_magnus: federico1: Fair enough jpr: or a crash that no one else can reproduce **captain_magnus wouldn't mind crashing right now... Pretty tired :-) jpr: so jpr: upshot is jpr: please if you see unclassified bugs jpr: classify them jpr: but please be careful not to inflate bugs jpr: we are really targetting getting solved the most broken and annoying issues jpr: that bug many, many peopl

Speaker: Federico jpr: federico1: ... federico1: heh federico1: I was hoping to have a bunch of bugfixes by now, but the bug-rebasing and categorizing has been eating my time federico1: anyway - the packages for testing are here: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Multiscreen#Build_service_repository_and_project federico1: I put in captain_magnus's patch to fix multiple Computer menus yesterday federico1: vuntz has been pounding away on the GDM / gnome-panel bug federico1: and even our X hackers are testing the config tools captain_magnus: Good stuff! vuntz: the new capplet is cool jpr: yes, rocks hard vuntz: a few bugs here and there, but the spicy hacker will fix them ;-) federico1: maybe we should send some ice-cream to mmeeks to get OOo to do multihead jpr: federico1: ice-cream should go to Thorsten B. jpr: federico1: he is working on that with the Sunnies federico1: ooooh, cool vuntz: great to hear

Speaker: rodrigo federico1: oh, and I need to ping aseigo - he's mentoring a student for KDE so that they'll have another tool to configure RandR. Maybe we can share the XML configuration that gnome already uses mmeeks: federico1: thorstenb on #go-oo FWIW ;-) jpr: just 'thorsten' jpr: no rodrigo today **captain_magnus wonders what happen to the packagekit update in the agend jpr: but we are having a patch-upstreaming-fest jpr: a week from tomorrow

Speaker: sreeves jpr: sreeves: ... sreeves: for b1 we made the switch and removed the gnome updater and replaced it with the PackageKit updater sreeves: note that this is the only official piece that is switched for 11.0 sreeves: the zypper and yast pieces are still there for detailed managment for 11.0 sreeves: although the rest of the PK stack will be there if you want to use it sreeves: there will be a new release also for b2 sreeves: that contains functionality like license handling sreeves: and better handling of GPG keys sreeves: as well as a bunch of fixes for outstanding bugs ( captain_magnus ) sreeves: thats it sontek: The package kit updater doesn't show what packages are going to be updates (or I couldn't find where to get that list) sontek: will that be coming? captain_magnus: sontek: It is captain_magnus: sontek: There's a details button sreeves: should be working in the current release jpr: its tagged "Review" if you show updates sreeves: sontcan talk with you after the meeting if yours is not working sontek: ok, thanks jpr: sreeves: there are still a lot of little polish fixes missing like TODO for a package description, percentages not right jpr: sreeves: where are we there? sreeves: yeah **federico1 does a zypper dup to get all the goodness captain_magnus: federico1: Use PK :-) jpr: federico1: pkcon dude! sreeves: the todo should be fixed for the b2 checkin federico1: nah, this box is still an evil mix of alpha3 / beta1 :) sreeves: I'm hoping to get the percentage thing in but it's kind of a pain jpr: ok, great sreeves: the zypper callbacks are not quite working right jpr: sreeves: and i see the thread leak think got fixed? sreeves: so we have to kind of do it manually util that is fixed sreeves: yeah, finally nailed that one :) jpr: srag: nice jpr: err jpr: sreeves: nice! jpr: just one more jpr: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=383261 bugbot: openSUSE bug 383261 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "PackageKit: No way to resolve dependency issues" [Major,New] jpr: sreeves: any hope of that one? sreeves: unfortunately probably not for b2 hpj: federicreally recommend installing from DVD as often as you can hpj: federico1: new versions, i mean federico1: grrrr federico1: why does zypper sometimes give me "media exception" when downloading a package? jpr: sreeves: cool

Speaker: suseROCKS hpj: federico1: presumably because the repository changed jpr: suseROCKs: ... hpj: federico1: that's why you have to refresh first suseROCKs: ahh my turn... hpj: federico1: would be nice if it did so automatically, though... kangaroo: hrmm suseROCKs: ok actually I added this to the agenda before hpj sent out the mail about advangtages wiki, so that'll actually help kangaroo: any bug reports of the beta1 ncurses installer segfaulting setting the keyboard variant kangaroo: or am I just incredibly unlucky? suseROCKs: basically I thought we should, as a team, ensure that we're happy with the description of GNOME in the installer. captain_magnus: kangaroo: Meeting in progress hpj: suseROCKs: what is it right now? hpj: suseROCKs: are you concerned? suseROCKs: hpj's wiki page will help us to better define so. suseROCKs: no not a concern at all, just felt we should at least be in agreement. suseROCKs: but I'm tabling this topic since hpj's wiki came up  :-) jpr: ok hpj: ok :)

Speaker: suseROCKS **jpr Riggwelter if you're around I'd love to hear whats up with G:C suseROCKs: we're up and running in the wiki now for tasks. suseROCKs: I believe a while ago we talked about dropping "Tasks" as a topic for meetings. Do we stillw ant to do that? mw: kangaroo: happens to me too jpr: suseROCKs: lets do some whipping again jpr: in the meeting suseROCKs: and just have Tasks managed (nagged) via email? jpr: at least for a couple weeks jpr: that makes stuff happen :-)

Speaker: everyone jpr: questions? jpr: other topics for discussion? suseROCKs: ok, then everyone please visit the tasks page http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Tasks and make sure your tasks are properly listed. captain_magnus: Not really a question, but I'd like to close off the IRC client voting right now.... captain_magnus: Just wondering if anyone have objectsion in doing so... pidgin is the clear winner in that case with a whopping one vote **hpj doctors the wiki page in a hurry jpr: captain_magnus: can either handle and irc url on the command line? jpr: s/and/an sontek: I think having one irc client is fine, and since pidgin can handle it, lets use it sontek: for those who need a better irc client, they'll know where to look ;p jpr: ok, but i will always install xchat ! suseROCKs: +1 sontek because the average user doesn't know to use IRC **vuntz thinks he should have voted irssi ;-) jpr: other questions? sontek: +1 irssi captain_magnus: jneed to double check... If, for some reason, pidgin can't do it, I guess we need xchat afterall jpr: ok vuntz: I'd like to encourage people to reply to my mail about the menus suseROCKs: hmm we actually finished the meeting with 1 minute 47 seconds to spare? vuntz: I've started filing bugs here and there to fix the categories of a few .desktop files vuntz: but the main issue is still applications.menu

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