Started at --> 14:34 jpr: Welcome to the openSUSE GNOME Team meeting! jpr: I apologize for the time mix ups jpr: my fault entirely suseROCKs: yay I didn't miss the opening ceremoneies jpr: i lapsed into the old time jpr: so hopefully that didn't make too many people wait around an extra hour

Started at --> 14:35 jpr: so, i'd thought I'd make this a group topic since a lot of people had useful comments last week jpr: personally for me factory has been pretty good so far this week on i386 and x86_64 jpr: in terms of being able to update vuntz: indeed FunkyPenguin: well vuntz is doing a sterling job in trying to sort out the gdm/panel issue on intel machines jpr: nice jpr: other comments on factory testing? vuntz: NM issues seem to be fixed for me vuntz: need to reboot the other laptop to check jpr: vuntz: the ethernet thing? vuntz: yes captain_magnus: Yeah, factory is shaping up just fine... Can't wait to update in a couple of days once the mw fine work of updating is synced out... jpr: the nautilus trash thing is also fixed jpr: thanks to vuntz vuntz: I had still one issue ** vuntz tries to remember sreeves: couple of packages I'd like to see people test sreeves: there is a new gnome-main-menu in factory vuntz: ah, yes, I wanted to look at the seahorse/gnome-keyring packages to get nice ssh agent integration in gnome sreeves: contains the latest svn drop and upstream drop sreeves: also the libzypp packages have been in constant update flux vuntz: did anybody try the ftp backend in gvfs? vuntz: (if we have a new enough gvfs) jpr: sreeves: suseROCKs can you add to the testing page? and gnome-settings-daemon can probably be closed, no reported issues jpr: vuntz: yes, its very slow jpr: vuntz: but there are supposed to be unreleased speed ups in svn vuntz: there have been many releases in the last few days, iirc jpr: (tried with the 0.1.11 i submitted) vuntz: we also need to be careful: the file chooser was still using the gnome-vfs backend by default, and not the gio one vuntz: so we might need some testing here jpr: ah, i wondered about that, is that the default in libgnomeui 2.21.92 ? vuntz: no vuntz: it was committed yesterday jpr: ok jpr: maybe we should patch our package temporarily to get testing? vuntz: but I was told fedora used it for quite some time srinidhi: FunkyPenguin: pong srinidhi: sorry was away vuntz: jpr: would be nice, yes jpr: sreeves: is packagekit something you want to see tested as well? jpr: (as soon as the new build syncs) sreeves: yeah, the *zppp packages have been in constant flux the last week or two sreeves: but I think once the latest sync completes the PK - zypp combo should be pretty stable to give a test jpr: also vuntz: jpr: I can patch libgnomeui and update gvfs once I've the account ready, if you want jpr: people should install FF 3.0 beta from wolfi's repo if they get a chance jpr: works ok for me captain_magnus: Why is FF 3 not in Factory already? jpr: vuntz: gvfs should already be at the latest release, but yes jpr: captain_magnus: we were waiting for wolfi's changes to uses mozilla-xulrunner to bake jpr: that was a big change jpr: but looks ok, so yes we should probably check it in vuntz: has epiphany been tested with the new xulrunner? vuntz: (and devhelp/yelp/etc.) mw: dunno mw: they're parallel installable, though mw: (i think) mw: the new and the old are, that is jpr: yes, both can be installed jpr: however, we also need a theme update jpr: to work with 3.0 jpr: and a beagle extension update vuntz: (nm works on the other laptop too, yay!) jpr: and its probably wise to try epiphany with the new xulrunner jpr: (and all our other packages too) jpr: anything else on factory? sreeves: if you see things that are not working in PackageKit / gnome-PackageKit, try running pk-backend-status to see if that functionality is currently supported vuntz: fwiw, ephy was broken in interesting ways with xulrunner1.9 in ubuntu suseROCKs: how does an idiot like me know what other apps use xulrunner so I can be part of the testing? ** Riggwelter wakes up sreeves: if it' not wait a couple days for the next release :) captain_magnus: mboman@mblxsrv01:~> rpm -qa|grep -i xulrun captain_magnus: mozilla-xulrunner181-1.8.1.10-0.3 captain_magnus: mozilla-xulrunner181-devel-1.8.1.10-0.3 captain_magnus: mboman@mblxsrv01:~> rpm -q --whatrequires mozilla-xulrunner181 captain_magnus: gnome-web-photo-0.2-116 captain_magnus: liferea-1.2.20-31 captain_magnus: python-gnome-extras-2.14.2-126 captain_magnus: yelp-2.18.1-52 captain_magnus: devhelp-0.10-151 captain_magnus: epiphany-extensions-2.20.0-8.1 captain_magnus: epiphany-2.20.0-8.1 captain_magnus: mozilla-xulrunner181-devel-1.8.1.10-0.3 captain_magnus: Sorry for the spam ** vuntz was looking for the --whatrequires option yesterday jpr: AI: mw to check in FF 3.0 captain_magnus: suseROCKs: That was from a 10.3 box... You will get different results/versions on Factory suseROCKs: no problem captain_magnus I probably shouldn't fall asleep imeediately after asking a question jpr: AI: need to test xulrunner 1.9 against other apps jpr: final comments before we move on? ** jpr feels like Factory is the place to be now captain_magnus: Looking good so far... :-) ** Riggwelter plans to install Factory tomorrow

Started at --> 14:52 captain_magnus: Is it interesting that Firefox doesn't show up in the --whatrequires? jpr: captain_magnus: no, known, but it will with wolfi's ff 3.0 changes captain_magnus: jpr: Ok, cool jpr: so, federico is not here but as an update jpr: he was happy to tell me that he got a lot of outside patches jpr: for the file selector jpr: which is encouraging jpr: and he's been busily merging that all upstream Riggwelter: http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-03.html#05 suseROCKs: he was getting things synced at about 10:30 p.m. our time last night for gtk so I can test it early this morning. So he's working into the wee hours on this one, I know. jpr: Riggwelter: good call jpr: so looking pretty successful so far

Started at --> 14:55 jpr: lakhil: ? lakhil: jpr, http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/BugDays/20080307 lakhil: jpr, we have decided tomorrow as bug day and i have sent mail already lakhil: we have 57 bugs against 10.2 lakhil: including 2 critical,8 major,43 normal and rest minor lakhil: that's all from my side :) jpr: ok, should be nice to review jpr: and get those cleared jpr: sreeves: maybe you want to take a pass looking for anything we should fix? jpr: (in 10.2) sreeves: yeah

Started at --> 14:57 suseROCKs: Bravo lakhil jpr: yes, thanks lakhil jpr: we'll all be around for this one, no pesky FOSDEM :-) lakhil: suseROCKs, , jpr, welcome :) lakhil: and thanks to munkii jpr: cyberorg: i believe hpj has been in touch or... ? captain_magnus: He is away by the looks of it... jpr: apparently jpr: anyhow, hpj has been in contact with cyberorg now jpr: and looking at the work he did for xgl/compiz integration and setup jpr: he's proceeding there and rodrigo will help when he returns next week as well jpr: hopefully more news on that soon :-)

Started at --> 15:01 jpr: sreeves: ? sreeves: ah, did not release there was a separate topic sreeves: pretty much covered it during the factory testing section jpr: sreeves: anything in particular you want tested, like the applet? captain_magnus: Is PackageKit installed by default or is that something we have to install manually? sreeves: mostly just generic issues like installing and removing right now jpr: manually currently jpr: install gnome-packagekit sreeves: since there are still a couple missing features jpr: we should add that to the testing page as well jpr: ok

Started at --> 15:05 jpr: rodrigo is sneakily on vacation this week jpr: but: jpr: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Projects/PatchUpstreaming jpr: is seeing steady progress vuntz: I'll finish libwnck soon (need to mail dave) jpr: and mw reports that its paying off with the latest 2.21.92 updates vuntz: then, I'll have a look at gnome-menus jpr: vuntz: i would get him on IM, he traditionally has a huge fanboy mail backlog :-0 jpr: sreeves: you could do gnome-main-menu presumably jpr: sreeves: just need to tag whatever is remaining jpr: for patches vuntz: I can already see a problem with gnome-menus: I don't know which packages read the various .menu files that are added in the packages jpr: yah, no deps there really vuntz: and I'd like to know why we ship those .menu files in the first place too, I guess jpr: sreeves might know captain_magnus: I hope that people don't think that I will do all of gnome-panel... So feel free to jump in there and help out vuntz: captain_magnus: yeah, I'll take a look at it ;-) vuntz: captain_magnus: doing the small things first jpr: vuntz: was my explanation on the list sufficient? ** suseROCKs probably has some funny sarcastic comment to zing at captain_magnus, but is too tired to formulate it atm vuntz: jpr: yep jpr: ok jpr: anything else on patch upstreaming? vuntz: is it fine to spam the list to get comments on patches? captain_magnus: vuntz: I'd say yes... We don't see to many emails to the list :-) jpr: never come up as an issue before cyberorg: just back jpr: so, no harm trying jpr: cyberorg: ah, great, let me roll back the topic for a moment - if you have something to add?

Started at --> 15:10 cyberorg: jpr, nope ,hpj is not in touch with me yet jpr: ok, he asked me for your email address yesterday jpr: i forwarded him your recent mails and the bugs you had filed jpr: so expect contact very soon then :-) jpr: cyberorg: very interested in your opinion on simple-ccsm and the like cyberorg: emmes (mhopf) did say that he would be doing new compiz packages, but there is no word on settings tools jpr: ok jpr: hpj can help there munkii: woah!

Started at --> 15:12 jpr: so, just to confirm munkii: good thing i just wake up jpr: build service theme meeting next week cyberorg: we need two things, one to switch on Xgl/AIGLX and another to set up compiz, david doesnt like ccsm/simple-ccsm as it doesnt use gconf plugin jpr: munkii: the monthly time shift meeting :-) jpr: cyberorg: ok - its all up for discussion

Started at --> 15:13 cyberorg: i won't take much meeting time, we can discuss at the end of the meeting? jpr: cyberorg: best to talk to hpj sreeves: jpr: who will be presenting the build service info ? munkii: !s/shift/torture/ SUSEhelp: munkii thinks jpr meant: munkii: the monthly time torture meeting :-) cyberorg: k :) jpr: sreeves: peter poeml and hopefully adrian schroeter jpr: suseROCKs: ? suseROCKs: ok last week we discussed whether RTM still held real value/comfort for us. I then brought it up for public comment on our List suseROCKs: btimothy did respond as I hope you all saw. One of the hopefully beneficial reaons to stay on rtm was to give us a chance to try out tasky. Has anyone run tasky yet? sreeves: I run it captain_magnus: I've not tried it munkii: me o/ sreeves: personally I like the interface much better than the web approach vuntz: not tried it jpr: not tried it jpr: sounds like we should test it before giving up? suseROCKs: ok the install is really easy from the link sent by btimothy (which was subsequently resent by Riggwelter) Let's give it another week before we decide wether to go back to the old Task on Wiki method jpr: the only thing is that tasks are still not very visible to new people vuntz: do I need a rtm account? suseROCKs: jpr I agree and that's probably why we'll eventually give up on RTM, but we have a nice window of opportunity to test Tasky for btimothy so let's just do it  :-) captain_magnus: vuntz: You can view all tasks but can't change/add/modify unless you have an account vuntz: ok captain_magnus: vuntz: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Tasks suseROCKs: so one more week guys? And then we'll dump the task of managing the tasks page on the Wiki? (vote now) munkii: yep, at this point i'd prefer to go back to the wiki, i'm no longer comfortable with all the fancy stuff in RTM captain_magnus: I'm ok to try tasky for a week... So +1 jpr: +1 munkii: ±1 munkii: :P suseROCKs: +1 jpr: ok mw: +i squared suseROCKs: Alrighty then the motion passes. jpr onto the next agenda item

Started at --> 15:20 jpr: a couple things) jpr: I'm going to be away next week jpr: volunteers to run the meeting and gather agenda items? ** captain_magnus is away next week as well suseROCKs: ok fast question before anyone answers jpr's question.. munkii: jpr: are we ready to have a bug day tomorrow? jpr: i can ask mw mw: i can do it jpr: cool, thanks mw mw: i will crush all dissent with an iron fist! suseROCKs: I know for example that btimothy is hard at work prepping for Brainshare. Is Brainshare taking up anyone else's time that might affect the next two weeks of partiicpation? munkii: i'm scared jpr: not that i know of lakhil: munkii, we have bug day tomorrow and i have sent mail

Started at --> 15:22 jpr: ok, questions? vuntz: mw: may I suggest you run the meeting in french? munkii: lakhil: kewl jpr: vuntz: should we drop contact-lookup-applet mw: pas de problème vuntz: jpr: deskbar should replace it, I guess captain_magnus: vuntz: Go ahead with your notification-daemon thing ** suseROCKs places a giant dissenter sign on vuntz and says to mw...look look! munkii: mw: ok, wait 'til i install stardict vuntz: captain_magnus: oh, yes vuntz: well, another question first :-) jpr: vuntz: hmm, still getting svn updates ** jpr is not sure vuntz: jpr: well, new features or only bug fixes to compile with newer e-d-s? jpr: bug fixes vuntz: jpr: we can ask ross, but I think he considers it a bit dead... munkii: jpr: why is nautilus still acting clumsy despite 6GB of upgrades last week? jpr: vuntz: lets ask ross jpr: munkii: define clumsy vuntz: jpr: ok, I'll ask vuntz: how is the list of packages installed in a default installation defined? munkii: mainly thumbnails and customized icons in general munkii: +random crashes, etc.. captain_magnus: munkii: Seems as that should be a discussion outside of the meeting :-) munkii: heh? i thought this is Q&A captain_magnus: vuntz: Via patterns... And we are suppose to have a pattern review to decided what packages should go in/out jpr: yes, thumbnails seem to be a problem jpr: sometimes at least jpr: but 2.21.92 nautilus and gvfs 0.1.11 seem ok jpr: munkii: if you have problems after the update, please file bugs munkii: thumbnails still have that ugly box around them munkii: jpr: ok i will jpr: the white box? munkii: yep munkii: is that a feature? vuntz: captain_magnus: ah. Cool. Many things to change in the patterns :-) jpr: i doubt it :0-) captain_magnus: vuntz: That's what I reckon as well... jpr: yes munkii: :P jpr: we need a thorough review for the live CD jpr: esp. jpr: any other questions? vuntz: how do we handle reviews of the various policy? vuntz: policies vuntz: like, notification bubbles :-) jpr: vuntz: well, i think we need to collect all the policies first jpr: (that differ from upstream at least) jpr: and any notes as to why we do it jpr: then we probably need a mail discussion, voting, or something vuntz: jpr: ah, that was the grep for schema changes, right? ** vuntz finally understands :-) jpr: yes jpr: vuntz: my presumption is we can grep for patches that alter gconf schema files :-) jpr: for most of it jpr: (but not all) ** suseROCKs is glad vuntz understands, but will he please turn off the lightbulb above his head? The glare is blinding me at this hour. vuntz: ok, I'll try to do this ivanz: Question: Why don't you use some sort of revision control for packages? ivanz: Something to make life easier when tracking package source code + patches vs upstream jpr: ivanz: there is discussion on the project list i think about sources.opensuse.org jpr: if you want to join in jpr: internally with autobuild the reason is mostly historical jpr: with the build service vuntz: suseROCKs: there are patches to change some default configuration settings => they are a kind of policy jpr: ask the BS guys next week in the theme meeting :-0 jpr: vuntz: i should also add it is possible to conditionally add patches for sles only jpr: and that is an option vuntz: jpr: nod jpr: anything else? vuntz: is there some statisticts on the installed packages? vuntz: I mean: in debian/ubuntu, there's a popcon package which sends the list of installed packages to some server jpr: i believe the topic has come up before vuntz: it's of course biased, since people have to opt in vuntz: but I think it helps choose what gets installed by default jpr: but i don't think there is an equivalent vuntz: ok jpr: Ok jpr: thanks everyone! Meeting ended at --> 15:39

• AI: mw to check in FF 3.0
• AI: need to test xulrunner 1.9 against other apps