Started at --> 12:07:32 jpr: Welcome to the weekly GNOME Team meeting for openSUSE! * suseROCKs dons his elf ears for the meeting jpr: although next week it won't happen :-) jpr: the next meeting after this will be Jan 3rd *2008* federico1: good morning! jpr: thats right folks jpr: a new year jpr: i expect with vacations, holidays, late notice (my bad) today's meeting to be short and sweet :-) ivanz_: :)) jpr: so, pitter patter, lets get atta'r

Started at --> 12:09:04 jpr: we'll come back to him :-) suseROCKs: mw 's wife must be nagging federico1 for working today too jpr: btimothy: tasks this week? federico1: ok i-nZ: . ivanz_: if he is not here i can talk a bit about the menu federico1: well, about the bug plan - we are in the middle of bug fixing week for gnome-main-menu

Started at --> 12:09:53 ivanz_: ah he is here :)) btimothy: jpr: oops ... totally missed that :( jpr: federico1: go man go federico1: ivanz and Luka1 have been patching stuff! jpr: btimothy: we are back on sched, you're next :-) btimothy: (everyone knows the drill anyhow...if you have tasks, do them...and record them!) ivanz_: I just want to say about the menu federico1: I put in ivanz's fix for 349604 yesterday, and am about to review Luka's patch for 309058 ivanz_: Generally it's seems to me as a temporary solution ivanz_: it has to be rewritten, improved ivanz_: it has to be more scalable ivanz_: I am not aware what's up in the tiles-2 branch ivanz_: but currently our startup time is unacceptable federico1: ivanz_: I'd rather refactor it until it's good --- otherwise we'll just make the same mistakes when rewriting it ivanz_: I meaned refactor pardon me ivanz_: :) ivanz_: (refactoring C ? hehe) suseROCKs: on the wiki, 349604 says testers needed. Is that still the case? federico1: I have it not reading all the thumbnails at startup now; I'll put in that patch today ivanz_: how's the speed improvement? ivanz_: ok generally we should find a way to defer the loading of the menu ivanz_: because of the synchronous loading of applets in the gnome-panel federico1: ivanz_: from eyeballing it, not bad at all (but my recent-files is not that big); I'm going to get some real numbers today for before/after the patch federico1: ivanz_: oh, that's trivial. The main-menu just needs to return "hey, I'm initialized", and then load the lists in the background until you click on the Computer button ivanz_: ok good ivanz_: just to note ivanz_: that I tried loading at computer click ivanz_: and it's slow jpr: sreeves did some attempts at deferring stuff a long time ago ivanz_: I think we should try to load only the last-active tab from the menu jpr: but ran into other issues as well jpr: so learn from him :-) ivanz_: yeah it doesn't simply work by moving calls around. logic has to be changed federico1: ivanz_: that's part of what the thumbnailing patch does ivanz_: good :) sreeves: one problem with only loading the last active tab is we need to to know the size of the largest tab federico1: apart from that, I think we are making good progress suseROCKs: so does 349604 still need testers? or is it done? sreeves: otherwise the menu jumps around as you click ivanz_: sreeves erm .. tile size is fixed? federico1: sreeves: yeah, I ran into exactly that problem yesterday - I think I'll just store the size of the biggest tab in gconf ivanz_: so if the number of tiles is the same for each tab ? sreeves: no - how many tiles (rows) are in the largest tab federico1: or unconditionally size the tables to their maximum configured sizes ivanz_: e.g we should default to something and then decrease by some factor if the resolution can't hold it sreeves: federico1: I like the idea of storing it jpr: ok ivanz_: sorry I have to run now jpr: so lets pull this together for a wrap up :-) federico1: suseROCKs: just let me pull in the latest patch (in a second) and then you can test it - I think ivanz's latest version fixes a memory leak ivanz_: But surely there is field for improvement of the menu jpr: federico1: overall, very successful week? ivanz_: BTW federico1: jpr: yeah, pretty good! jpr: ok ivanz_: I would like to know if there is someone working on it from Novell? jpr: federico1: we'll hold these on a regular basis jpr: ? ivanz_: or is it completely a community project the menu ? jpr: ivanz_: there person who was working on it left, but sreeves and federico1 are owning it overall federico1: jpr: the bug weeks? yeah, regularly. I want to do multiscreen in mid-January, once I have my monitors set up :) jpr: ok

Started at --> 12:18:12 jpr: btimothy: go man go ivanz_: Asking because I would like to know if something is being developed in house while we are workig to fix the current ivanz_: okay good btimothy: tasks! btimothy: everyone knows the drill ivanz_: I don't have any tasks btimothy: looks like our scheduled tasks are kind of out of hand ivanz_: :)) btimothy: (none are on track) federico1: ivanz_: nope, nothing in-house. Which reminds me, we need to integrate the patches from svn into our package :) jpr: ivanz_: no, its all on GNOME CVS, there were a couple of erros with patches not in the right spot, but those were exceptions federico1: (hint, hint) suseROCKs: btimothy, admittedly I haven't been very good at staying on task this week. ivanz_: Pardon me again I will have to go out now. btimothy: btw, do we need to have this section (tasks review) in every meeting? ivanz_: have fun! suseROCKs: Good Day ivanz_ holla! jpr: btimothy: i would vote no these days, assuming you can do some whipping time to time in Q&A jpr: or in irc outside of meetings jpr: +1 btimothy: seems like we mostly have things organized suseROCKs: btimothy, having the task review at every meeting effectively puts the guilt trip on me to get with it  :-) btimothy: suseROCKs: yeah, i can see that btimothy: i would still like to have us use a different system ... editing this wiki page is a nightmare btimothy: but oh well federico1: oops btimothy: i forgot to drop munk1's task * federico1 removes the "organize the bug week" task btimothy: federico1: good work :) * btimothy kicks suseROCKs in the pants. get to work!  ;) btimothy: jpr: i thought we voted to re-organize the boxed opensuse to something else? btimothy: jpr: still planning on doing that? jpr: yes, i have to do something there jpr: its embarassing thats not done yet * suseROCKs slides btimothy a spked eggnog so he loses his balance while kicking btimothy: ;) btimothy: eggnog...yum btimothy: federico1: can we move the bug categorization to an ongoing item btimothy: federico1: or is there still work you need to do before it's "complete" ? federico1: btimothy: nope, ongoing is fine * federico1 kicks ichain btimothy: federico1: k btimothy: jpr: done for now btimothy: anything else anyone? jpr: do we have a resolution on whether to keep this regular task review? btimothy: i guess it's good to remind people hpj: maybe we could merge it with 11.0 review hpj: sometimes there's overlap jpr: so how about btimothy: if we had a better system (tasking system) i don't think we'd need it as much btimothy: since a good task system could remind people automatically jpr: * : btimothy to keep task review going but find a way to "spice it up" btimothy: and be more up-to-date hpj: we could use bugzilla for tasks Iznogood: didn't captain_magnus_ make a ical thingi hpj: and your job would be to ping the tasks to annoy people into doing them :) mw: yeah, we need a better system mw: using the wiki to keep tasks up to date = pain btimothy: RTM is geting a lot of hype these days ... i'll look into it again btimothy: mw: +1 jpr: ok

Started at --> 12:26:04 suseROCKs: what does RTM stand for? jpr: suseROCKs: "Remember the Milk" jpr: its a website jpr: other questions? * suseROCKs drinks 2 gallons a week. No problem remembering Iznogood: thats right, captain_magnus_ did make one of those Iznogood: RTM things jpr: yes he did mw: i have user id #3 on rtm :) btimothy: gmail + RTM goodness: http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2007/12/rtm-gmail-task-management-goodness.html jpr: cool jpr: other questions? suseROCKs: nothing I can think of, but as always I think of them when everyone's busy  :-) jpr: ok

Started at --> 12:28:41 jpr: hpj: go man go hpj: ok hpj: mw: gnome 2.22 progress? federico1: I'd just like to point out that hpj trounced me at Go yesterday federico1: he's a dangerous man hpj: you gotta get into shape, man mw: well, mauro, jpr, hpj, and i are updating our packages to gnome 2.21.4 hpj: mw: how far along are we? mw: we're doing as much of this as possible in the build service, so people can follow pretty closely, and also get involved mw: hpj: we're using a spreadsheet to keep track * mw hunts for its public link hpj: link here would be good mw: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pXWjzV1g7sCoTEmrH3b6yAg&hl=en_GB hpj: thanks hpj: federico1 already atalked about the main-menu hpj: but there's one thing that's not entirely clear to me suseROCKs: at what point will it be ready for me to test things out on Alpha? hpj: federico1: how did the merging go? mw: we've developed some short hand for entries: nc = no change, ip-<person> means <person> is working on it (in progress), done in bs means it builds and has been committed to G:U, done in factory means it's been commited to the internal autobuild system, which will be synced to factory in short order hpj: btimothy, sreeves: can you talk a little about what you've been doing? sreeves: hpj: PackageKit and gnome-packagekit are available from factory for testing btimothy: hpj: this week's been hack week for me ;) btimothy: still waiting on kay to add PolickyKit-0.7.x to factory btimothy: before we can commit a newer packagekit into factory :( hpj: ok hpj: jpr: updates? sreeves: hpj: as far as the merging for g-m-m goes we have been doing all the work this week based on trunk jpr: pulseaudio is blocked while rodrigo is away jpr: he will fix the packages this weekend btimothy: new notebooks+templates into tomboy this week :) jpr: cmr suggests we use system-config-printer jpr: instead of gnome-cups-manager jpr: he'll provide use with test packages hpj: ok hpj: i packaged accerciser hpj: it's in the home:hpjansson:11.0-testing project hpj: so check it out hpj: federico1: ping hpj: federico1: vee haf vays ov makink you talk hpj: did i miss anyone? hpj: jpr: done jpr: ok

Started at --> 12:37:26 suseROCKs: well I'd like to try out the new orca features in the latest gnome build... Will I be able to do that or do I need to install it myself? federico1: hpj: merging of main-menu? federico1: or of intlclock? jpr: suseROCKs: wait for Q&A hpj: federico1: we can talk about it later i guess jpr: ok jpr: 10.3 federico1: hpj: for intlclock, I need to fix up some configure things to make it use thestandalone libgweather federico1: and just get it upstream - vuntz is eager to review the mega-patch :) jpr: we got a little blocked with the test repo because sbrabec is away, so we'll delay those fixes to the new year - that is all

Started at --> 12:39:06 mw: jpr: ah, i can create a test repo now jpr: suseROCKs: orca will be updated as part of the gnome 2.21.4 update jpr: mw: ah, nice mw: jpr: darix got me bits yesterday darix: huh? hpj: i see nautilus and gvfs tarballs were just released jpr: mw: i can move the packages there at least jpr: hpj: and glib/gtk? hpj: but the requisite glib is still not out jpr: :-) suseROCKs: jpr yes but I'm trying to figure out if 2.21.4 is now part of the alpha factory install or not. jpr: no, not currently jpr: any other questions? suseROCKs: ok then I'll wait. Guess it will be after NYE jpr: depends on darix and co, but could be a while :-) jpr: it will be in GNOME:UNSTABLE jpr: though soon suseROCKs: I don't mind unstable. I have enough equipment to play around. Just am itching to do some testing  :-) darix: jpr: what was the content of rudis note? jpr: LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS jpr: darix: "for next rebuild" Meeting ended at --> 12:42:28

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