KDE/Meetings/2009 10 15-transcript

[18:06:53] <dirk> the agenda [18:07:05] <dirk> * old action items [18:07:08] <dirk> * status report [18:07:17] <dirk> * Merging science repo into the education repo/ Enhancing the number and relevance of scientific packages on offer. [18:07:24] <dirk> * Update of introduction to KDE4. No progress yet. [18:07:30] <dirk> * 11.2 release notes [18:07:35] <dirk> * Q&A, misc [18:07:38] <dirk> anything else? [18:07:56] <llunak> "Other pending issues for 11.2?" ? [18:08:17] <dirk> good point, I accidentally skipped that [18:08:23] <dirk> I'll include it [18:08:26] <dirk> * old action items [18:08:31] <gladiac> what about the wiki page [18:08:47] <dirk> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings/20091001#Action_items [18:08:57] <dirk> * add packaging guideline for kde4 packages (wstephenson) [18:09:12] <dirk> gladiac: wiki page? is that "Update of introduction to KDE4" or something different? [18:09:12] <wstephenson> still no progress [18:09:13] <gladiac> bille had an idea how to create the front page [18:09:30] <gladiac> we discussed this at the conference [18:09:43] <wstephenson> Bille has lots of ideas. ideas are cheap. [18:10:18] <dirk> * investigate whether it's possible to disable auto-hide for file operations (llunak) [18:10:29] <llunak> done, will be in 11.2 [18:10:32] <wstephenson> gladiac: we can add 'further discuss front page of the wiki revamp' to the end of the agenda [18:10:45] <dirk> * sort out bnc#540493 somehow (llunak) [18:10:47] <wstephenson> llunak: how did you do that? [18:11:00] <dirk> gladiac: ok, I'll add it as an agenda topic [18:11:16] <llunak> wstephenson: there's a patch disabling autohide for file jobs by default [18:11:44] <rabauke> it was always possible, it was just not enabled by default. [18:11:45] <llunak> #540493 - wstephenson closed that one [18:11:53] <domme> wstephenson: can i tell knetworkmanager to connect to a specific network through dbus? :) [18:12:03] <dirk> * updates about the status of KDE:42 and KDE:43 in en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories and opensuse-kde@opensuse.org (|tigerfoot|) [18:12:08] <llunak> rabauke: no, it needed patching - other autohide is enabled [18:12:10] <wstephenson> domme: wait till after the meeting or privmsg me [18:12:15] <dirk> I think the wiki page was updated [18:12:18] <dirk> was it announced? [18:12:25] <rabauke> llunak: it worked for me since 4.3.0 [18:12:29] <wstephenson> llunak: does that patch change code or default config? [18:13:32] * Beineri detects wstephenson being in curiosity phase [18:13:32] <llunak> wstephenson: code [18:13:48] <tigerfoot> dirk: I have to that ... [18:13:53] <llunak> rabauke: I don't see how - there's no code to make a difference between autohide for file and other jobs [18:14:13] <llunak> (in upstream) [18:14:53] <tigerfoot> About the page, the Contrib etc are ready in the page, I'm waiting their effective reality before publishing the link. [18:15:51] <tigerfoot> I would suggest to change radically the page order after 11.2 release to put the most interresting subject on top of the page. ( kde4 stable and kde43) [18:16:08] <dirk> tigerfoot: agreed [18:16:16] <llunak> no need to wait [18:16:19] <dirk> I have also the additional wish to start listing openSUSE 11.2 repos there [18:16:20] <rabauke> llunak: that's right. yet disabling the "autohide" lets the notifications stay as long as they want. so kopete's will hide, because they are set to hide aft x seconds. with autohide on, they would be forced to hide after y seconds. since filejobs do not hide on their own, not forcing anything on them will make them stay there. [18:16:34] <dirk> does anyone think thats a bad idea? [18:16:47] <dirk> I would like to avoid that people register openSUSE_Factory now and then forget to change to 11.2 once it is released [18:16:59] <llunak> rabauke: well, that should have been said the last time [18:17:09] <remur_030> dirk: if that's already possible that'd be nice [18:17:21] <dirk> yes, its just a wiki page [18:17:25] <llunak> dirk: but they do not exist yet, do they [18:17:28] <rabauke> I said that in the last meeting I attended. [18:17:29] <tigerfoot> Ok for the change, but seems (to me) that not very clear where would be lastest kde 4.3 stable ( in which repo) after the release. [18:17:36] <remur_030> dirk: well but they don' [18:17:38] <dirk> llunak: currently its an alias to opensuse factory, which we can just change once it exists [18:17:40] <remur_030> t work eh? [18:17:53] <remur_030> dirk: ah, that's good [18:18:17] <llunak> rabauke: well, then I don't see why I had to AI to find out - it doesn't matter now either way [18:18:20] <rabauke> the wording of the option in plasam is misleading. [18:18:25] <rabauke> ok [18:18:53] <llunak> dirk: I think we shouldn't report there factory repos as 11.2 repos [18:19:01] <dirk> llunak: why not? [18:19:18] <dirk> llunak: RC1 is effectively frozen now, there won't be many changes [18:19:21] <llunak> exactly for the reasons you said - people will add them and think they are for 11.2 [18:19:39] <remur_030> I thought they will be 11.2 as soon as the alias is changed? [18:19:40] <llunak> (and forget to switch later) [18:20:04] <remur_030> isn't that an obs switch? [18:20:17] <llunak> hmm, maybe I missed something - they now have openSUSE_Factory as the build repo but it's named 'openSUSE 11.2' ? [18:20:18] <dirk> llunak: well, people don't have to do anything anymore when they added it [18:20:24] <dirk> llunak: correct [18:20:30] <llunak> I see, no problem with me then [18:20:31] <dirk> llunak: and we build against 11.2 once it exists. for users no change [18:20:40] <dirk> good. [18:20:52] <dirk> tigerfoot: are you willing to update the wiki page for 11.2 ? and restructure it like you suggested ? :-) [18:21:21] <tigerfoot> Yeap but I really a bit lost about which repo is for what ... [18:21:52] <tigerfoot> becomes a bit tricky to find the release needed ... ( other agree or it's just me :-) [18:22:12] <llunak> you can ask here about the repos if you will have questions [18:22:14] <remur_030> I agree with tigerfoot, there is way to many, looks what 'Community has as repositories' [18:22:17] <bitshuffler> read that kde4 page on the wiki. should be explained there. [18:22:36] <dirk> tigerfoot: add 11.2, remove 10.3 [18:22:38] <tigerfoot> take a look at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/ [18:23:10] <remur_030> where is 42?`I thought that'd stay around? [18:23:11] <tigerfoot> 42 43 KDE4 ... [18:23:26] <remur_030> nevermind, upper level [18:23:37] <llunak> tigerfoot: anybody looking there either should know or should not be looking there *shrug* [18:23:58] <bitshuffler> tigerfoot: 42 & 42 is self explanatory. unstable = kde trunk builds (4.4 atm). stable = last _released_ version with opensuse = 4.1 atm. factory = version that get's released with next opensuse (4.3.1 atm) [18:24:17] * Beineri is for killing 42 and 10.3 :-) [18:24:31] * remur_030 agrees with Beineri [18:24:34] * bitshuffler slaps Beineri - don't you dare to touch any 10.3 repos ;D [18:24:42] <tigerfoot> llunak: to easy ... I'm always looking there for my local mirror ... [18:24:51] <Beineri> bitshuffler: 15 days [18:25:01] * cb400f enthusiastically votes for killing too [18:25:01] <bitshuffler> (me cries ;'( [18:25:25] <dirk> bitshuffler: trust me, you want the newer zypper from openSUSE >= 11.1, not the one from 10.3 :-) [18:25:41] <dirk> there are also weird crash reports from 10.3 users, and realistically, nobody has time to look into them [18:25:45] <tigerfoot> dirk: +1 [18:25:50] <cb400f> dirk: he uses smart... he can't be reasoned with :-) [18:25:56] <cb400f> believe me, I've tried :-) [18:26:05] <bitshuffler> dirk: well, until a couple of bugs are fixed with it I prefer smart (albeight given, zypper improved quite some bit since 10.3) ;D [18:26:57] <dirk> okay, can we move forward? [18:27:03] <dirk> tigerfoot: will you take the action item? [18:27:07] <tigerfoot> dirk: llunak: Ok I will try to arrange the page ( please note this ) during this week-end. At let's discuss it on the ML. [18:27:12] <dirk> ok, great [18:27:21] <dirk> * status report [18:27:22] <bugbot> New openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) bug 547321 filed by martin.schlander@gmail.com. [18:27:23] <bugbot> Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/547321 Normal, P5 - None, NEW, Starting yast via systemsettings produces weird extra window [18:27:35] * dirk has no status to report [18:27:47] <dirk> I was 101% busy with non-openSUSE things [18:27:49] <llunak> is that 'AI: remove 10.3 and add 11.2 repositories to KDE repository pages (tigerfoot)" ? [18:27:55] * Beineri status is that there is now in Nürnberg [18:27:57] <Beineri> snow [18:28:11] <llunak> cb400f: oh come on, that's old [18:28:16] <dirk> llunak: yes, and restructure the page, according to discussion on mailinglist [18:28:34] <wstephenson> same as the dolphin produces weird extra window bug? [18:28:35] <tigerfoot> llunak: yes remove obsoletes links and prepare a bright future .... [18:28:58] <llunak> ok, so the second one is "AI: restructure KDE repository pages according to discussion on the mailing list (tigerfoot)" [18:29:01] <Beineri> wstephenson: no, please /msg bugbot after the meeting ;-) [18:29:39] <dirk> wstephenson: status report? [18:29:49] <dirk> llunak: anything new from your side? [18:30:02] <wstephenson> went to dev days, saw lots of new shiny [18:30:17] <llunak> I helped to fix some of the annoying OOo KDE4 integration bugs, so it hopefully should be ok now [18:30:22] <remur_030> got to play with an N900? [18:30:47] <wstephenson> have been fixing various bug reports, susehelp stuff, kopete BRs, now trying to close 20 11.2 mostly KNM bugs before release [18:30:56] <wstephenson> remur_030: yes, didn't get to take one home though [18:31:07] * remur_030 curses at his old nokia 6230 [18:31:25] <wstephenson> if anyone sees sandro andrade around, he's one lucky guy, get him to shake your hand, he won a N900 and an ipod in different prize draws at dev days [18:31:36] <remur_030> hehe [18:31:38] <wstephenson> remur_030: i <3 my 6230 [18:31:42] <bugbot> New openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) bug 547325 filed by ripper@freakmail.de. [18:31:44] <bugbot> Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/547325 Minor, P5 - None, NEW, KDE Display in System Settings asks to apply changed settings though no setting has changed [18:32:56] <Beineri> llunak: and the week before? :-) [18:33:28] <wstephenson> llunak: we should Cc: Beineri our workreports ;) [18:33:34] <Beineri> wstephenson: +1 [18:33:48] <dirk> okay, everything interesting should have come up meanwhile [18:33:51] <dirk> lets move on [18:34:02] <dirk> * Merging science repo into the education repo/ Enhancing the number and relevance of scientific packages on offer. [18:34:06] <llunak> Beineri: nothing interesting unless you want to hear a list of bugreports [18:34:23] <Beineri> llunak: I read those anyway :-) [18:35:17] <llunak> whose is this and what does it have to do with KDE? [18:35:35] * Beineri asked alin about this topic and didn't also understand afterwards what it has to do with KDE... [18:35:49] <dirk> okay, lets skip it then, agreed? [18:35:49] <llunak> and he's not here is he? [18:35:51] <wstephenson> maybe he meant the k menu? [18:36:01] <tigerfoot> same here [18:36:10] <dirk> wstephenson: oh, that could be it, indeed [18:36:29] <dirk> beineri is the menu structure master, any comment? [18:37:03] <Beineri> wstephenson: no, repo/packages. the kde edu project is only/mainly interested in Education packages, now Alin searches some 'group' to create/add more scientific packages to education repo/ [18:37:48] <wstephenson> sounds like he's barking up the wrong tree here then [18:37:51] <tigerfoot> why not the inverse, more edu in science :-) [18:37:52] <Beineri> yeah [18:38:09] <Beineri> send him to the gnome irc meeting ;-) [18:38:17] <tigerfoot> :-) [18:38:39] * wstephenson resists the temptation to make intelligent design jokes [18:38:47] <Beineri> dirk: actually wstephenson is desktop-data maintainer for over half a year or so... [18:38:48] <dirk> * Update of introduction to KDE4. [18:39:13] <Beineri> says osc [18:39:16] <wstephenson> how does that help page get updated? [18:40:31] <Beineri> wstephenson: https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/opensuse/trunk/infrastructure/help.o.o/kde4 [18:40:48] <Beineri> and asking darix or yaloki or ... to update server from svn [18:41:17] <wstephenson> ok. i'll take that AI and do it next week. [18:41:34] <dirk> AI: wstephenson: update introduction to KDE4 page [18:41:53] <dirk> * 11.2 release notes [18:42:29] <llunak> I suggest we create e.g. en.opensuse.org/KDE/Release_Notes_11.2 and add there stuff that should be in the release notes [18:43:06] <llunak> I'll forward it to whoever takes care of the real release notes afterwards [18:43:14] <Beineri> ke [18:43:31] <llunak> what do we need there? [18:43:34] <llunak> - firefox [18:43:40] <llunak> - kde3 [18:43:51] <cb400f> - kde3 droppage [18:44:45] <remur_030> mention that you patched firefox up for nice kde integration, might silence a few [18:45:02] <llunak> I don't think that belongs to release notes [18:45:05] * bitshuffler totally loves that integration btw [18:45:19] <llunak> maybe except for a very short 'btw' note [18:45:26] <llunak> anything else that we should mention [18:45:41] <cb400f> - default? [18:46:03] <llunak> who cares? I mean, besides those that already know [18:46:16] <bitshuffler> something about strigi et al not being enabled by default and how to enable them? [18:46:18] <llunak> not to mention it's already past the point where the user notices that [18:46:27] <cb400f> yeah [18:46:32] <llunak> good point [18:46:41] <wstephenson> you can read the release notes before installing [18:46:41] <cb400f> people will just go and enable it then :-) [18:46:48] <Beineri> bitshuffler: including a tutorial how to use it? ;-) [18:46:59] <llunak> for KDE3 I suggest en.opensuse.org/KDE3 and put there a short explanation of the status and why, so that we can just point people to it instead of repeating ourselves all the time [18:47:07] <bitshuffler> Beineri: heh ;D [18:47:37] <llunak> ok, anything else? [18:47:55] <tigerfoot> dreaming about using nepomuk everywhere .. [18:48:05] <llunak> let me turn that into AIs then [18:48:41] <llunak> AI: collect release notes for 11.2 at http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/ReleaseNotes11.2 (llunak) [18:49:00] <llunak> AI: create http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 explaining KDE3 status in 11.2 (llunak) [18:49:06] <llunak> unless somebody else wants to take the kde3 one [18:50:04] <cb400f> does it need more than a link to doingitwrong.com? [18:50:10] <llunak> yes [18:50:12] <dirk> I guess whoever is interested can talk to llunak [18:50:21] <llunak> dirk: ok, let's move then [18:50:22] <dirk> cb400f: yes, it should explain how to get KDE3 back [18:50:28] <dirk> * further discuss front page of the wiki revamp [18:50:30] <dirk> gladiac? [18:51:39] <wstephenson> AFAIR we were talking [18:51:40] <dirk> wstephenson: any idea what this item was about? [18:51:52] <bitshuffler> One more regarding the nepomuk stuff: if nepomuk is disabled by default, wouldn't it then make sense to exchange the search box in e.g. dolphin with the filter box? [18:51:59] <wstephenson> and i said we needed to have a much clearer wiki homepage [18:52:04] <wstephenson> maybe use a table layout [18:52:09] <llunak> bitshuffler: I disabled the search box by default [18:52:29] <bitshuffler> llunak: any chance I get the filter box instead by default? [18:52:44] <llunak> bitshuffler: possibly too late [18:52:54] <bitshuffler> ;'( [18:53:03] <Beineri> bitshuffler: wasn't there a meeting where we said "no" to that? [18:53:23] <bitshuffler> Beineri: dunno, but I would have voted for yes ;P [18:54:03] <dirk> wstephenson: ok, is there a concrete proposal to discuss about? [18:54:10] <wstephenson> dirk: no, it was idle chat [18:54:12] <dirk> wstephenson: or are you just looking for open feedback ? [18:54:26] <wstephenson> i was just jawboning with gladiac at the conf [18:54:36] <dirk> may I suggest to write a wiki page with the current concerns of the start page or ideas how to improve it and then discuss that in the meeting` [18:54:38] <dirk> ? [18:54:44] <wstephenson> and i don't have time to drive this now, so lets postpone till after 11.2 [18:54:59] <wstephenson> dirk: sure, use the Talk page for the start page [18:55:07] <dirk> ok, good idea [18:55:20] <wstephenson> which is http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk:KDE/Meetings [18:55:32] <dirk> * Q&A [18:55:43] * dirk has to run to the toilet, brb [18:55:48] <wstephenson> TMI [18:55:50] <cb400f> I thought we decided to have the filter bar toolbar button visible by default though [18:55:53] <llunak> that's not a talk page for the front page [18:56:00] <Beineri> dirk: "Other pending issues for 11.2?" ? [18:56:18] <wstephenson> i'm going to be at the akonadi meeting in berlin this weekend. anything i should bring up there from us? [18:56:19] <Beineri> like new k3b alpha [18:56:26] <Beineri> wstephenson: snow? [18:56:37] <tigerfoot> llunak: when you hit the ctrl+f for find file the default place is always nepomuksearch ( just see this ) [18:56:54] <Beineri> from this morning: <coolo> Beineri: RC2 will be a sum up of the maintenance updates we released for RC1 [18:57:20] <Beineri> so, publish k3b 1.68.0 alpha 3 as online update? ;-) [18:57:29] <tigerfoot> wstephenson: find a way to have this damned ding working, Mark say it's possible now with the new engine ... [18:57:44] <wstephenson> tigerfoot: Mark? engine? [18:58:07] <tigerfoot> rahh error (nepomuk != akonadi ) [18:58:25] <remur_030> Beineri: it was supposed to snow in berlin yesterday =) [18:58:28] <wstephenson> tigerfoot: semantic fail! [18:58:36] <llunak> wstephenson: did you mean http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk:KDE ? and is that AI? [18:58:43] <tigerfoot> for akonadi, try to encourage people making the caldav pluging in write mode. ( Work nicely in read mode ) [18:58:58] <wstephenson> tigerfoot: i expect we'll have the new sequoia engine packaged soon, then find a lot of interesting bugs in it, then it will work. [18:59:07] <cb400f> I have pending issues with the community repos.. some interesting qt4/kde4 thingies are only kde:community .. not kde:kde4:community ... e.g. screenie [18:59:08] <dirk> Beineri: argh, forgot about it [18:59:08] <EagleScreen> hello [18:59:14] <llunak> hey hey hey - can we stay on topic please? [18:59:24] <cb400f> wonder if there are any good solutions for that [18:59:27] <remur_030> make them create a winmo to kontact sync engine =) [18:59:32] <wstephenson> llunak: yes that AI [18:59:35] <dirk> llunak: which topic? Q&A ? [18:59:59] <dirk> Beineri: the plan for RC1->RC2 was to automatically release all RC2 checkins as test updates [19:00:00] <EagleScreen> 11.2 RC1 + KDE4 installs policykit-gnome when it shoud install policykit-kde, policykit dialogs are in gtk [19:00:00] <llunak> dirk: no, just in general - the moment you left people started talking about all random stuff [19:00:12] <llunak> EagleScreen: topic [19:00:22] <dirk> Beineri: but that was just briefly discussed today [19:00:27] <Beineri> dirk: and the current plan? :-) [19:00:49] <llunak> ok, so that was "AI: collect problems with the current front page at http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Talk:KDE for discussion (everybody)" [19:00:53] <EagleScreen> sorry, KDE team meeting? [19:01:12] <tigerfoot> EagleScreen: yeah [19:01:58] <Beineri> dirk: if prior release as update is no prerequisite for checkin fine, then someone just have to update it? :-) [19:01:59] <llunak> are there any other know important pending 11.2 things? [19:02:12] <Beineri> llunak: P2 und P5 bug reports [19:02:41] <llunak> P2 bugs are not exactly things are definitely must be sorted out for 11.2 [19:02:43] <dirk> Beineri: just normal submitrequests to openSUSE Factory [19:02:54] <llunak> s/are definitely/that definitely/ [19:02:56] <bitshuffler> llunak: can we get working keyboard shortcuts please? [19:03:04] <llunak> bitshuffler: what shortcuts? [19:03:11] <Beineri> llunak: P2="should be fixed before next release" iirc :-) [19:03:24] <llunak> Beineri: yes, but by now that next release is 11.3 [19:03:32] <bitshuffler> llunak: e.g. "Print" for ksnapshot (disabled by default), ctrl+alt+d = show desktop and so on. [19:03:51] <cb400f> prtscr works -> ksnapshot works on my rc1 [19:04:12] <bitshuffler> oh, haven't tried rc1 yet but was disabled with m8 [19:04:16] <llunak> bitshuffler: print is fixed, I don't know about ctrl+alt+d and probably too late and not critical anyway, no idea what 'so on' is [19:04:33] <EagleScreen> I am newer to Opensuse, comming from Debian/Ubuntu, I have done some packaging in there, but now, I have to learn rpm packaging and, I have a pair to KDE apps in my mind, nice to meet all you [19:04:42] <bitshuffler> llunak: great, print one is more important anyways :) [19:04:59] <llunak> so ... nothing? if you complain later, too late [19:05:04] <Beineri> llunak: I don't agree, and even 11.2 is too late P2 should be "for online update" - not wait until 11.3 [19:05:12] <Beineri> even if [19:05:14] <bitshuffler> llunak: none from the top of my head [19:05:24] <llunak> Beineri: ok, I'm talking about '11.2 GM' here [19:05:50] <cb400f> we need solid to understand the difference between usb cameras and other usb storage thingies :-) [19:06:03] <llunak> not critical [19:06:03] <tigerfoot> knetworkmanager + openvpn ... (very old bug) [19:06:17] <llunak> dirk: I think we can move to Q&A [19:06:18] <cb400f> so dolphin can use camera:/ for cameras... and so digikam doesn't have to spam usb stick people [19:06:35] <dirk> * Q&A (2nd try) [19:06:39] <dirk> any questions from anyone? [19:06:47] <wstephenson> 16 P2 and up 11.2 bugs, btw [19:06:56] <dirk> Next meeting October 29th? [19:07:04] <llunak> yes [19:07:09] <wstephenson> tigerfoot: NM + openvpn generally [19:07:17] <Beineri> one P1 [19:07:18] <llunak> and I'm not here then [19:07:20] <remur_030> is there any specific we should test with the rc1? [19:07:22] <wstephenson> tigerfoot: now being handled by an NM maintainer [19:07:26] <remur_030> *anything [19:07:35] <tigerfoot> wstephenson: :-) but I've not but it on P2 .... [19:07:54] <tigerfoot> did someone try NM + hsdpa modem [19:08:16] <llunak> remur_030: update from 11.1 would be interesting, but I guess that's too late now too, unless there's something critical [19:08:20] <tittiatcoke> tigerfoot: yes [19:08:27] <llunak> which I think there isn't, hopefully :) [19:09:22] <tigerfoot> tittiatcoke: and no trouble ? I've an icon225 from Orange ... not real fun until now ... [19:09:24] <remur_030> llunak: hrm, no untampered 11.1 install here [19:09:36] <tittiatcoke> tigerfoot: after the meeting :-) [19:09:50] <wstephenson> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540823 is critical [19:09:54] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 540823 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Applications) "KBluetooth4 crashes after closing" [Critical,New] [19:10:19] <tigerfoot> thanks bugbot ... just in AI [19:10:23] <wstephenson> looks fixable with a bit of valgrinding [19:10:37] <bitshuffler> anyone happens to know when k3b for kde4 will be ready? [19:10:44] <Beineri> wstephenson: bug 546221 too - but still P5 ;-(... [19:10:48] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 546221 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "KDE system & settings crashes when I want to change the properties of the mouse" [Critical,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/546221 [19:11:25] <Beineri> bitshuffler: with KDE 5.0? :-) [19:11:31] <bitshuffler> :D [19:11:48] <EagleScreen> it is an ancient bug in kdeblueetooth 0.4 [19:11:50] <llunak> how is something crashing after closing critical? especially when it is just bluetooth? [19:11:54] <EagleScreen> it is an ancient bug in kdeblueetooth 0.3, sorry [19:11:54] <cb400f> bitshuffler: doesn't it work for you? .. or are you just referring to the alpha stamp on it? [19:12:06] <EagleScreen> I think 0.4 version has fixed it [19:12:19] <llunak> dirk: I think you can close the meeting [19:12:27] <dirk> ok [19:12:29] <Beineri> llunak: crashes are per definition critical? :-) [19:12:30] <dirk> see you next time! [19:12:36] <bitshuffler> cb400f: I thought the version in factory is the kde3 one? [19:12:48] <llunak> Beineri: not per the definition in 'critical for 11.2 GM' [19:12:56] <cb400f> nah, that's the kde4 alpha