KDE/Meetings/2009 09 03-transcript

16:03:56 <apokryphos> #startmeeting 16:03:56 <bugbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 3 16:03:56 2009 UTC. The chair is apokryphos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:03:56 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:04:12 <apokryphos> #meetingtopic openSUSE KDE Team Meeting 16:04:28 <apokryphos> welcome to the openSUSE KDE team meeting! Let's go through the topics... 16:04:43 <apokryphos> llunak: old AI first or straight in? 16:05:03 <llunak> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings/Managing#Running_the_meeting has it step by step 16:05:03 <remur_030> apokryphos: the ai list at the bottom 16:05:23 <apokryphos> thanks 16:05:39 <apokryphos> the current agenda is: 16:05:54 <apokryphos> * PulseAudio enabled by default 16:06:05 <apokryphos> * KDE-related talks/bofs/unconference sessions at openSUSE Conference 16:06:13 <apokryphos> * Auto-hiding of notifications in KDE 4.3 16:06:26 <apokryphos> * Why the "old" KDE3 Path are installed in the 11.2 ? Is it not possible to erase the old install Path? 16:06:31 <apokryphos> * moving from git.opensuse.org to gitorous 16:06:44 <apokryphos> * old action items 16:06:45 <apokryphos> * status report 16:06:45 <apokryphos> * Q&A, misc 16:07:33 <apokryphos> hrm, despite the order listed there I see AI is first ;-) 16:07:43 <apokryphos> #topic Old Action Items 16:08:12 <apokryphos> #topic Old Action Items: PulseAudio Enabled by Default 16:08:30 <apokryphos> #info PA has been removed from the KDE pattern for now, but there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus yet; if we stay with disabled, we also need to handle the case when something else pulls it in 16:08:34 <apokryphos> any change? 16:08:44 <llunak> that's not an old AI 16:08:57 <llunak> AIs are at the end of http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings/20090820 16:09:12 <apokryphos> sorry ;) 16:09:15 <apokryphos> #undo 16:09:15 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x88e51ac> 16:09:22 <apokryphos> #undo 16:09:22 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x8d32cac> 16:09:41 <apokryphos> #topic add packaging guideline for kde4 packages (wstephenson) 16:09:47 <apokryphos> any update? 16:09:56 <llunak> wll's not here, so no progress 16:10:04 <llunak> "will's" 16:10:17 <apokryphos> #info Will not around atm, so no progress 16:10:30 <apokryphos> #topic Old AIs: put together a howto for cross distribution packaging of kde applications (bittin`, llunak, mrdocs) 16:10:34 <apokryphos> any update? 16:11:04 <llunak> apokryphos: bottom :) of the page - today's old AIs are last meetings current AIs, not old AIs 16:11:46 <apokryphos> hah, now I see; sorry again ;-) 16:11:47 <apokryphos> #undo 16:11:47 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x8e698ac> 16:12:03 <apokryphos> #topic Old AIs: drop kdebase3-session and dropping/excluding -apps/-workspace (Beineri) 16:12:10 <Beineri> done 16:12:21 <apokryphos> #info done 16:12:22 <apokryphos> great 16:12:35 <apokryphos> #topic Old AIs: investigate how to make Firefox use defaults suitable for KDE (llunak) 16:12:44 <apokryphos> tried it yesterday and it seems to work well for me ;-) 16:13:03 <llunak> oh, so I don't need to announce the repo anymore :) ? 16:13:23 <llunak> investigation done, implementation basically working 16:13:29 <remur_030> repo? isn't this about using default kde apps when they are there? like okular instead of the gnome counterpart? 16:13:34 <llunak> i'll leave that for status report, I'd like to talk more about this 16:13:45 <apokryphos> ok 16:14:03 <apokryphos> That's all from the Old AIs (excluding Will's), so moving on to status report 16:14:08 <apokryphos> #topic Status Report 16:14:09 <llunak> apokryphos: you skipped two AIs for will 16:14:24 <llunak> I'll need to take the artwork one I guess 16:14:27 <apokryphos> llunak: sorry, I thought you said skip Will's.... 16:14:33 <Beineri> two with near deadline ;-( 16:14:42 <Beineri> as in tomorrow 16:14:48 <apokryphos> #undo 16:14:48 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x8f2754c> 16:14:54 <llunak> damn 16:15:38 <apokryphos> #topic Old AIs (Will's AIs: talk to docu and PM about artwork reqts, greeter and associated text) 16:15:38 <remur_030> is that greeter thing the one you wrote a mail about with the kde entry in the "start" screen? 16:15:51 <llunak> remur_030: yes 16:16:04 <llunak> apokryphos: I'll take that one and see what needs to be done 16:16:35 <apokryphos> #action llunak to take care of artwork reqts for Will 16:17:00 <Beineri> greeter text!=artwork actually :-) 16:17:28 <apokryphos> llunak will take the greeter one as well? 16:17:54 <llunak> I'll leave that one as it is (as I said in the mail), unless somebody else wants to do it 16:18:40 <apokryphos> ok 16:18:54 <apokryphos> let's move on then... 16:19:02 <apokryphos> #topic Status Report 16:19:21 <apokryphos> Beineri: any update? 16:19:28 <Beineri> #info KDE 4.3.1 has been released 16:19:52 <Beineri> #info RPMs are available in KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop repository and in Factory 16:20:02 <llunak> I have worked on fixing the firefox integration problems 16:20:06 <Beineri> #info KDE Four Live 4.3.1 has been created 16:20:21 <bgerber> What about for openSUSE 11.1? 16:20:44 <Beineri> bgerber: 4.3.1 rpms? in K:K:F:D 16:20:44 <apokryphos> bgerber: the :Factory:Desktop repository has packages for 11.1 16:20:44 <remur_030> bgerber: what about it? 16:21:01 <bgerber> I wanted to know if they were released for it as well. 16:21:07 <apokryphos> yup, they're there 16:21:20 <Beineri> #info NetworkManager-kde4 should now be able to connect to hidden wireless networks 16:21:32 <llunak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp5bX_NV6k as a demo (although obsolete by now), packages are in home:llunak:mozilla (still keeps changing) 16:21:55 <llunak> so please test them, if there are problems -> bugreports 16:22:07 <Beineri> #info Arora/Konqueror should be able to connect to Novell SSL sites again in Factory with latest openssl checkin 16:22:10 <apokryphos> #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp5bX_NV6k with a demo of the Firefox KDE integration, please test! 16:22:27 <Beineri> #info Amarok on Factory MySQL collection problems are sorted 16:22:28 <apokryphos> #link http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/llunak:/mozilla/ for the packages 16:22:35 <llunak> so I'm now supposed to say the important parts again with #info ? 16:22:47 <apokryphos> llunak: yes, or with #link if you are mentioning a link first 16:22:57 <apokryphos> llunak: anything with #info is automatically logged into the minutes 16:23:00 <Beineri> #info Plasmoids don't require python-devel package anymore to be able to run 16:23:07 <apokryphos> (or #action or #link #help #agreed) 16:23:39 <remur_030> kde is now default selection 16:23:45 <remur_030> or was that already last meeting? 16:23:57 <apokryphos> w00t 16:24:08 <llunak> I think that's all for status 16:24:11 <Beineri> #info OOo 3.1 packages got (splitted) oxygen icon set support 16:24:22 <Beineri> #link http://developer.kde.org/~binner/ooo-oxygen.png 16:24:26 <Beineri> llunak: let me ponder ;-) 16:24:37 <apokryphos> I think we should concentrate some marketing efforts to making it very clear to KDE folks :-) 16:24:44 <apokryphos> (around release-time) 16:25:36 <Beineri> #info K:*/Factory now builds against Factory/snapshot (see mail on list) 16:26:30 <apokryphos> busy week :-). Any other status updates? 16:26:35 <Beineri> otherwise polishing/bug fixing... 16:26:59 <Beineri> hunting translations 16:27:29 <Beineri> late version updates 16:27:30 <remur_030> Beineri: m7 is tomorrow? 16:27:48 <Beineri> remur_030: early submit deadline for m7 is tomorrow, yes 16:28:01 <remur_030> arr ok =) 16:28:18 <Beineri> #info coolo said we can do branch diff updates until 25th Sep 16:28:43 <remur_030> so 4.3.2 won't make it eh? 16:28:44 <Beineri> that's about 6 days before 4.3.2 tagging 16:29:06 <Beineri> remur_030: not as package version number, no :-) 16:29:14 <remur_030> heh ok 16:29:42 <Beineri> more and more people will not backport but rush for 4.4 soft/hard feature deadline over time anyway... 16:30:01 <bgerber> too bad, as I think many bugs will have been fixed with this release. 16:30:02 <Beineri> but we still can backport single bugfixes later 16:30:13 * cb400f has to leave .. but votes to not install PA by default, if that means people can still install it manually without much trouble 16:30:28 <apokryphos> bgerber: I think the version in the release will contain most of those fixes anyhow 16:30:38 <bgerber> ok 16:31:07 <Beineri> llunak: did you mention your wiki page? 16:31:23 <Beineri> #link http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration 16:31:31 <llunak> you know everything, right :) ? 16:31:43 * Beineri is multi-eyed 16:32:02 <apokryphos> nice one 16:32:07 <apokryphos> ok, let's move on... 16:32:35 <apokryphos> #topic New Action Items 16:32:38 <Beineri> ah, KDE is now pre-selected on DVD install... 16:32:46 <apokryphos> any new AIs? 16:32:50 <apokryphos> Beineri: mentioned above ;) 16:33:04 <|saigkill|> Good evening 16:33:05 <llunak> apokryphos: they turn up during the meeting :) 16:33:13 <apokryphos> |saigkill|: g'evening 16:33:24 <apokryphos> llunak: oke doke, then let's move on... 16:33:27 <apokryphos> #undo 16:33:27 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x8e782ec> 16:34:20 <apokryphos> llunak: items i.e. like PulseAudio now? 16:34:31 <llunak> apokryphos: yes 16:34:51 <apokryphos> #topic PulseAudio enabled by default 16:35:01 <apokryphos> should we do it 8) 16:35:24 <remur_030> what could be done to avoid it beeing pulled in? 16:35:26 <bitshuffler_> I have no problems with it & playing multiple stuff in parallel 16:35:34 <llunak> I added this one - basically, this has already happened in practice, but the discussion on the list didn't look to me like there was a consensus 16:35:48 <bitshuffler_> also no stuttering or whatever ppl bitched about it with -desktop kernel 16:35:53 <llunak> so - enabled or disabled? 16:35:54 <remur_030> bitshuffler_: any application using the alsa-pulseaudio-alsa path creates sound distortion for me =/ 16:36:13 <remur_030> I need to explicitly say pulseaudio with some applications still 16:36:23 <apokryphos> I've had random sound issues on several computers in the past that magically disappeared after uninstalling pulseaudio 16:36:39 <llunak> apokryphos: past is uninteresting, we are talking about 11.2 16:36:52 <bitshuffler_> apokryphos: well, with factory or 11.1? 16:37:05 <remur_030> I though consensus was there are not much pro's yet, there isn't even a pa capable kmix 16:37:17 <Beineri> coolo: will pulseaudio 0.9.16 come in 11.2? 16:37:21 <apokryphos> bitshuffler_: no, I will give it a go in the future 16:38:29 <bitshuffler_> apokryphos: also try with the -desktop kernel - quite a few said it makes it better for them 16:38:42 <llunak> so we keep it disabled by default? somebody disagreeing with that? 16:38:56 <Beineri> no 16:39:00 <coolo> Beineri: noone asked me so far, but our 0.9.15 has most of the fixes anyway 16:39:13 <Beineri> coolo: but you know the bug report about? 16:39:20 <remur_030> but what happens when pulse audio gets installed? will it run automatically? 16:39:30 <coolo> Beineri: I've seen the topic fly by, yes 16:39:34 <llunak> remur_030: yes - that needs to be handled 16:39:56 <coolo> llunak: no 16:40:07 <coolo> remur_030: it will only run automatically if there is an application using it - afaik 16:40:24 <llunak> I take it those "no" were "no disagreement" 16:40:33 <llunak> coolo: I think it's autostarted during desktop startup 16:40:42 <llunak> that's at least how it was on 11.1 16:40:54 <llunak> apokryphos: now it should be #agreed to record the conclusion for the topic? 16:41:03 <apokryphos> llunak: yes please :) 16:41:19 <llunak> #agreed we will keep PA disabled by default for KDE for 11.2 16:41:37 <llunak> #action find a way to keep PA disabled by default even if something else pulls it in (llunak) 16:42:00 <Beineri> the default dvd install pull-in bug should be fix afaik 16:42:17 <llunak> Beineri: it can still be pulled in if I install gnome too 16:42:50 <remur_030> llunak: but in that case it should be running, gnome uses pa 16:43:00 <llunak> remur_030: but not if I'm running kde 16:43:06 <remur_030> true 16:43:16 <llunak> that's what the AI should be about 16:43:21 <llunak> apokryphos: so, next item 16:43:26 <apokryphos> #topic KDE talks/BOFs/unconference sessions at the openSUSE Conference 16:43:40 <apokryphos> #link http://conference.opensuse.org/schedule/ has the current schedule 16:44:06 * remur_030 can't make it =( 16:44:16 <Beineri> no kde-related talk in the official conference part 16:44:23 <Beineri> who will be there? 16:44:36 * apokryphos 16:45:05 <remur_030> Beineri: Bille mentioned that some time back also, i thought there was an unconference track? 16:45:41 <llunak> remur_030: the right part of the table 16:45:56 <llunak> would there be an interest in a KDE session in the unconference track? 16:46:51 <llunak> don't everybody raise your hand 16:46:55 <llunak> is nobody coming? 16:47:09 * herby cannot be there 16:47:11 * Beineri might come one day or more as it's near-by :-) 16:47:22 <apokryphos> see you there 16:47:37 <llunak> I'll schedule a kde session next to the gnome one and we'll see 16:47:46 <Beineri> llunak: "next" literally? 16:47:56 <llunak> yes, the same time 16:48:03 <apokryphos> #action llunak to schedule a KDE session 16:48:06 <Beineri> llunak: do you think that's a good idea? 16:48:15 <llunak> where else would you want to have it? 16:48:33 <Beineri> llunak: not next to gnome desktop session, not next to common desktop session :-) 16:48:49 <Beineri> not next to desktop-related talk in main tracks :-) 16:48:51 <llunak> and not next to other things, I know 16:49:43 <Beineri> 15:30 ? 16:49:55 <llunak> everybody will be tired by then 16:50:09 <ra100> hm, if PA would be disabled by default, how will be solve the newest Skype beta? 16:50:46 <Beineri> llunak: they will have to stay awake for social event on thursday though ;-) 16:51:24 <ra100> it uses PA - http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/ 16:51:27 <Beineri> any idea if more/other people will be there at week-end. have two sessions? 16:51:40 <remur_030> ra100: if there is no pa it should be using alsa as usual 16:52:42 <llunak> well, ok, I'll take the 15:30 thu time then and we'll see 16:53:24 <apokryphos> ok, let's move on... 16:53:37 <apokryphos> #topic Auto-hiding notifications in KDE 4.3 16:53:43 <ra100> remur_030: a while ago i read about problem with Skype beta, but it is under 11.1. 16:53:51 <apokryphos> #info Since KDE 4.3 both jobs and notifications are auto-hidden after some time by default. While this is fine with most notifications and completed jobs, auto-hiding running jobs might be confusing and might lead to unexpected results for the not so careful (e.g., unmounting of a usb drive when copying files to it, without paying attention to the not-so-prominent system-tray job running icon). 16:53:52 <Beineri> there are also three others day if special topic groups come up - and not every session shall be planned ahead of a *un*conference ;-) 16:54:00 <apokryphos> #link https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533001 16:54:04 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 533001 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "Turn auto-hiding of notifications off by default in KDE4" [Enhancement,New] 16:54:29 <rabauke> +1 16:54:32 <apokryphos> +1 on not auto-hiding by default 16:54:43 <remur_030> I agree with the bugreport, while alot of notifications are annoying auto hide is very confusing 16:55:05 <rabauke> notifications still hide after the time they set, e.g. kopete. 16:55:06 <|saigkill|> +1 for non-hiding 16:55:06 <bitshuffler_> why? you always see if there are some hidden or not? 16:55:08 <apokryphos> my gf thought everything was finished and removed her usb key while it was transferring a large file 16:55:20 <Beineri> auto-hide is a general settings, cannot differ between types afaik 16:55:22 <rabauke> its only jobs that do not hide automatically and are not forced to hide anymore 16:55:29 <apokryphos> bitshuffler_: it's not intuitive to a new user (you don't know that the icon there means that it's still transferring) 16:55:56 <badshah> I added this item and the bug report, but the problem is that even completed jobs notification do not disappear if auto-hiding is turned off 16:56:05 <remur_030> bitshuffler_: my taskbar is on autohide, I have no visual feedback about this 16:56:13 <apokryphos> yeah, it would be nice if there was a distinction 16:56:53 <llunak> the only reason to have it off by default is file operations, right? 16:57:30 <badshah> and important security updates? 16:57:43 <rabauke> llunak: yes 16:57:51 <Beineri> security state is likely "application status" :-) 16:57:59 <rabauke> there are no other notifications that do not hide anyway. 16:58:03 <vanRijn> re, all 16:58:30 <remur_030> I'd say disable autohide for now and let's hope upstream comes up with a nicer handling for later 16:58:35 <rabauke> in fact, copy jobs are not notification sin my uunderstading, they are progresstications, i.e. windows. 16:58:42 <Beineri> badshah: and updater applet has an own icon in system tray anyway 16:59:20 <remur_030> like kopete should autohide, file operations only on request etc 16:59:32 <llunak> it might be better to disable autohide only for file operations, but I right now have no idea how difficult that would be 16:59:37 <vanRijn> so, i upgraded kde4-quassel-core from 0.4 to kde4-quassel-core-0.5rc1-3.1 and now, i'm getting errors when i try to start it up about not having any available database backends. Selected storage backend is not available: "SQLite". But I do have libqt4-sql-sqlite-4.5.2-57.1 installed 16:59:49 <llunak> vanRijn: topic 16:59:53 <Beineri> llunak: +1 16:59:55 <remur_030> vanRijn: meeting, could you please wait a bit till it's over? 16:59:57 <vanRijn> oh, sorry 16:59:59 <vanRijn> yeah 17:00:37 <llunak> I'll add to the bugreport that the consensus is it should by off, but it'd be better to have it only for file operations - if it's simple enough 17:00:39 <badshah> notifications about file-handling is the most important, if something could be done about them so that they hide only on completion or something? 17:00:53 <rabauke> llunak: what else but file operations do not hide automatically anyway? 17:00:53 <bitshuffler_> Do we have a gui / config file to enable / disable that autohide or is that somehow hardcoded? 17:00:57 <Beineri> badshah: we have the source ;-) 17:01:27 <rabauke> bitshuffler_: there is a gui 17:01:37 <llunak> rabauke: wasn't it just said that there is no difference made for them? 17:01:41 <bitshuffler_> \o/ - then I'm happy ;D 17:01:48 <rabauke> and you cannot disable autohiding, you can only enable "forc hiding" 17:01:58 <Beineri> some "Defaults" button of system tray settings is always disabled - so dunno what's actually the default :-) 17:02:03 <Beineri> s/some/seems/ 17:02:12 <rabauke> the GUi text is not mediating its functionality IMO 17:02:38 <apokryphos> llunak: ok, who will have the AI? 17:02:42 <llunak> ok, let's make this ai for me 17:02:45 <apokryphos> ok 17:03:11 <apokryphos> #action investigate whether it's possible to disable auto-hide for file operations -- llunak 17:03:16 <llunak> #info the consensus is off by default, but first it should be investigated if it can be made off only where it matters (file operations) 17:03:19 <rabauke> llunak: it does not force notifications to stay open it only forces notifications that want to stay open to hide. 17:03:42 <rabauke> you can disable the latter, the former is not affected 17:04:05 <llunak> rabauke: I'll check it as a part of the ai 17:04:12 <rabauke> ok 17:04:31 <apokryphos> oke doke, next topic 17:04:49 <apokryphos> #topic Why the "old" KDE3 Path are installed in the 11.2 ? Is it not possible to erase the old install Path? 17:04:58 <Beineri> what path? 17:05:00 <apokryphos> could whoever added that one expand? 17:05:02 <Beineri> PATH? 17:05:11 <Beineri> /opt/kde3 ? 17:05:15 <remur_030> propably /opt/kde3 or .kde 17:05:44 * Beineri is for keeping either anyway 17:05:52 <bitshuffler_> no, cause some kde3 apps would then collide with their kde4 pendants, or not? 17:06:00 <Beineri> bitshuffler_: ? 17:06:06 <remur_030> yeah, I see no advantage in shifting it arround 17:06:28 <bitshuffler_> Beineri: moving kde 3 to / instead of /opt/kde 17:06:37 <Beineri> bitshuffler_: that will never happen 17:06:54 <bitshuffler_> ah well, perhaps I got that topic wrong then :D 17:07:05 <remur_030> to / ? =) 17:07:11 <Beineri> in Factory if you have no single kde3 apps installed there will be no /opt/kde3 btw 17:07:16 * bitshuffler_ slaps remur_030 17:07:20 <bitshuffler_> remur_030: /usr ;P 17:07:24 <llunak> well, as long as nobody knows what this is really about -> ignore 17:07:28 <Beineri> (if you don't install kdelibs3 just for the fun ;-) 17:07:35 <llunak> #info unknown what this topic is about 17:07:40 <apokryphos> looks like Gjnnovell added it 17:07:45 <apokryphos> but not here... 17:07:49 <apokryphos> ok, let's move on 17:08:02 <apokryphos> #topic moving from git.opensuse.org to gitorous 17:08:25 <apokryphos> #link http://gitorious.org Offers a project hosting solution and an open source graphical interface for git repositories. 17:08:42 <llunak> the plan is to get rid of git.opensuse.org and move stuff from there to gitorous 17:09:00 <llunak> so I'll move desktop-data and kdebase-openSUSE there and will mail the list when it's done 17:09:01 <remur_030> llunak: shouldn't that be a topic for -project? 17:09:13 <llunak> this is only about our repos there 17:09:16 <apokryphos> excellent 17:09:33 <remur_030> ok, guess this is mostly imporant for developers only anyways 17:09:37 <llunak> I'm basically just announcing and checking if somebody comments/disagrees/whatever 17:09:44 <remur_030> both repos beeing git that is 17:10:26 <llunak> #action move desktop-data and kdebase-openSUSE to gitorous and mail the list when it's done 17:10:36 <Beineri> llunak: and give people access ;-) 17:10:53 <llunak> as soon as I find out how to use gitorous :) 17:11:08 <llunak> Beineri: or do you want to do that? 17:11:13 <apokryphos> #undo 17:11:13 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x8d8e20c> 17:11:20 <apokryphos> #action move desktop-data and kdebase-openSUSE to gitorous and mail the list when it's done -- llunak 17:11:27 <apokryphos> (just so it assigns) 17:11:58 <apokryphos> alright, moving on to the final item... 17:12:07 <Beineri> llunak: no 17:12:19 <apokryphos> #topic Q&A, Misc 17:12:31 <apokryphos> any other additional questions? 17:13:10 <remur_030> yes, how to proceed with the multimedia keys 17:13:27 <remur_030> I couldn't get the old milestones to run and now it's pretty late =/ 17:13:35 <Beineri> add, back/forward/stop|play to amarok global shortcuts? 17:13:35 <llunak> remur_030: what do you mean exactly? 17:14:00 <apokryphos> #topic Q&A, Misc - Multimedia keys 17:14:06 <remur_030> llunak: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524734 17:14:10 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 524734 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "multimedia keys should have default assignments" [Enhancement,New] 17:14:18 <remur_030> Beineri: yeah, but also suspend on suspend button etc 17:14:28 <apokryphos> #link https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524734 17:14:57 <Beineri> remur_030: dunno where suspend could be added (other than khotkeys :-) 17:15:18 <llunak> remur_030: assigning the multimedia key to an existing action is simple 17:15:46 <remur_030> llunak: yes but we want them as sane defaults right? 17:15:54 <llunak> I mean in code 17:16:03 * bitshuffler_ wants ksnapshot back on print button 17:16:30 <remur_030> llunak: the XF86Standby etc symbols? 17:16:42 <llunak> bitshuffler_: is it broken again? 17:16:54 <llunak> remur_030: I think that has a shortcut too - if not, too late 17:17:04 <bitshuffler_> llunak: last time I tried it didn't work 17:17:05 <remur_030> ah it's XF86Sleep not Standby 17:17:07 <llunak> well, maybe - khotkeys can't be i18n-well anyway 17:17:29 <Beineri> llunak: Preset Actions/PrintScreen is not enabled by default for new user 17:17:40 <llunak> I thought I've fixed that already 17:17:59 <Beineri> but KMenuEdit/Search is for "Search" key 17:18:01 <Beineri> ? 17:18:02 <Beineri> !? 17:18:11 <remur_030> llunak: i think these could be static set up, who would reassign the moon to something else? I haven't really understood how to set khotkeys to symbols like the XF86 things 17:18:20 * Beineri misses "Search" key on keyboard :-) 17:18:33 * bitshuffler_ has one ;P 17:18:46 <Beineri> bitshuffler_: does it open kmenuedit? 17:19:11 <Beineri> actually it starts "kfmclient openURL http://google.comm" 17:19:14 <bitshuffler_> Beineri: on 10.3 / kde 3 it launches a "Search for files / folders" window 17:19:21 * bitshuffler_ has no working factory atm 17:19:24 <Beineri> actually it starts "kfmclient openURL http://google.de" even - and I run English desktop 17:19:59 <bitshuffler_> hm, perhaps start that strigi, or whatever that search index thing is called, gui to use it? 17:20:05 <llunak> remur_030: just like any other shortcut 17:21:06 <llunak> anyway, this will be sorted out as a part of the bugreport, according to its priority, I don't see what's here to discuss in a meeting 17:21:39 <remur_030> I just wanted to make sure because of the deadlines 17:21:57 <apokryphos> #info will be sorted out as part of the bug report 17:22:01 <apokryphos> ok, any other items? 17:22:31 <Beineri> what's with the long-time pending device-automounter submit request? 17:22:31 <apokryphos> questions? 17:22:39 <Beineri> sr#15724 17:22:50 <Beineri> Bille was supposed to look at it iirc 17:23:12 <Beineri> I guess we just reject it now? :-) 17:23:16 <apokryphos> #topic Q&A, Misc - Device Automounter submit request 17:24:15 <llunak> Beineri: probably - I think that one is too late by now 17:24:35 <apokryphos> #info sr#15724 17:24:50 <apokryphos> ok, agreed? 17:25:42 <apokryphos> #agreed reject for now, too late 17:25:46 <apokryphos> Any other questions? 17:26:37 <bitshuffler_> will 4.3.2 make it in time for 11.2? 17:26:53 <llunak> bitshuffler_: no, but we will get the majority of fixes for it 17:26:55 <Beineri> bitshuffler_: did you follow the meeting? 17:26:56 <remur_030> bitshuffler_: not with that version string, see somewhat earlier by beineri 17:27:16 <apokryphos> ok, if not then let's close... 17:27:18 <bitshuffler_> ah well, cheers :) 17:27:25 <apokryphos> #topic Closing 17:27:28 <apokryphos> date of next meeting? 17:27:37 <llunak> two weeks from now 17:27:42 <Beineri> good question, it will be during the conference social event? :-) 17:27:58 <llunak> four weeks from now then 17:28:01 * Beineri prefers going to social event 17:28:27 <Beineri> in four weeks much can happen ;-) 17:28:35 <apokryphos> #info Next meeting on 01/10 as the conference is on in two week's time 17:28:41 <Beineri> like we will face the question if/where to put 4.3.2 rpms 17:28:53 <apokryphos> that's all for this week, any questions please ask on the opensuse-kde mailing list 17:29:01 <remur_030> Beineri: there is an old 4.2 repo... 17:29:16 <Beineri> remur_030: so? 17:29:33 <remur_030> we could replace it ;-) 17:29:35 <bitshuffler_> just rm it and create a kde32 one? 17:29:42 <apokryphos> #endmeeting