KDE/Meetings/2009 08 20-transcript

[18:09:50] *** rabauke sets the channel topic to "Welcome to the openSUSE KDE community IRC meeting! Please wait with other discussion until the meeting is over. This meeting is logged.". [18:10:02] <rabauke> ok, let's start. [18:10:14] <rabauke> Agenda: [18:11:03] <rabauke> *old action items [18:11:34] <rabauke> * Disable PulseAudio by default for KDE? [18:11:44] <rabauke> * What do to with kdebase3-{apps,session,workspace}? [18:11:53] <rabauke> * Not installing 'Desktop Effects' (i.e. Compiz) pattern by default [18:12:01] <rabauke> * MozillaFirefox-theme-oxygen probably not needed? See bug #530837 [18:12:04] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 530837 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "MozillaFirefox-theme-oxygen probably not needed?" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/530837 [18:12:08] <rabauke> * Mozilla javascript engine for konqueror. The number of websites which are deliberately made to work with firefox that konqueror 3 and 4 can't handle has sky-rocketed this year. [18:12:15] <rabauke> * Firefox defaults to evolution instead of kmail. It should at least offer kmail as an app for the mail action. [18:12:19] <rabauke> * status reports [18:12:29] <rabauke> * q&a, misc [18:12:47] <Beineri> have status earlier? [18:13:07] <rabauke> as you like [18:13:29] <rabauke> Beineri: after old action itmes? [18:13:41] <llunak> Beineri: he's now at the 'list agenga' point - the '"status" is second topic" item is later :) [18:13:58] <llunak> rabauke: just follow the page [18:14:03] <rabauke> * old action items [18:14:27] <rabauke> * add packaging guideline for kde4 packages (wstephenson) [18:14:33] <Bille_home> started :) [18:14:39] <rabauke> * figure out license repo dialogs and other ways how to notify the users about our bug reports policy (wstephenson) [18:14:46] <Bille_home> * done - not possible [18:14:53] <llunak> why not possible? [18:15:11] <Bille_home> because there is no way to generate the license.tar.gz file inside the OBS [18:15:20] <llunak> I actually wanted to move this to bugzilla, so I filled it today [18:15:30] <llunak> (bug #532814) [18:15:30] <Bille_home> i got told to make it a fate request too [18:15:33] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 532814 in openSUSE.org (BuildService) "Easy way to add information about a repository to be shown during its activation" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/532814 [18:16:09] <llunak> hmm ... well, let's follow up on whatever happens there [18:16:13] <Bille_home> the yast people look very dimly on the kernel people for 'misusing' license.tar.gz for a reboot warning [18:16:17] <Bille_home> yeah [18:16:30] <rabauke> * put together a howto for cross distribution packaging of kde applications (bittin`, llunak, mrdocs) [18:17:02] <llunak> I think we should remove this one from AIs too - it's not something for a short time of work [18:17:15] <rabauke> ok [18:17:16] <rabauke> * figure out what all needs to be done for translations for 11.2 (llunak) [18:17:27] <llunak> hopefully handled all [18:17:38] <rabauke> * add missing multimedia key assignments to bug #524734 (everyone) [18:17:40] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 524734 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "multimedia keys should have default assignments" [Enhancement,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/524734 [18:18:11] <llunak> not done, apparently, but again no point in repeating this AI [18:18:16] <rabauke> not much action in that report. [18:18:25] <rabauke> * talk to docu and PM about artwork reqts (wstephenson) [18:18:56] <rabauke> Does that include other icons for knm? [18:19:12] <Bille_home> no, it's about theming [18:20:00] <Bille_home> i have just started chasing oxygen about the theming to make sure we have something for M7 [18:20:29] <Beineri> did you learn about deadlines? [18:20:45] <rabauke> * propose less scary conflict resolution (cb400f) [18:21:05] <Beineri> and a bit off-topic, when will general updated artwork (bootsplash, installer-theming etc.) arrive? [18:21:25] <cb400f> done: https://features.opensuse.org/307255 <-- now get to voting :-) [18:22:02] <rabauke> * send a list with suggestions about removing KDE3 apps from Factory to the mailing list (llunak) [18:22:11] <Beineri> rabauke: you're too quick :-) [18:22:17] <llunak> done, see the list [18:22:29] <Bille_home> Beineri: early september, before M7 [18:22:38] <rabauke> am I? he said it's done :) [18:22:38] <Bille_home> in answer to both questoins [18:23:04] <Bille_home> rabauke: beineri was waiting for an answer to the prev AI [18:23:07] <Beineri> rabauke: that was Re artwork still [18:23:31] <rabauke> ok [18:24:20] <rabauke> * ask the list about phonon-xine vs. phonon-gstreamer as default for 11.2 (cb400f) [18:24:44] <cb400f> done. read the list [18:24:56] <llunak> m6 will already default to xine [18:25:10] <cb400f> cool [18:25:43] <rabauke> * default containment to default (Beineri) [18:25:46] <Bille_home> sec [18:25:50] <rabauke> ok [18:25:57] <Beineri> done, and fixed after testing ;-) [18:26:04] <Bille_home> llunak: so people default to xine and get sent to packman for something with codecs? [18:26:49] <llunak> I actually don't know about packman [18:27:13] <llunak> but as I understood it there is now no difference between gstreamer and xine other than the fact that most people think that xine works better in general [18:27:34] <rabauke> indeed [18:28:03] <rabauke> done? [18:28:19] <bitshuffler> llunak: e.g. current phonon-gstreamer backend is broken if the file has spaces in the name. with xine it "just works" (tm) ;) [18:28:34] <llunak> rabauke: yes, next item [18:28:57] <rabauke> * greeter and associated text (wstephenson) [18:29:10] <Bille_home> not done [18:29:21] <llunak> I sent a mail to the list, but given no feedback I left it as it is [18:29:46] <rabauke> * start doc collection project (wstephenson) [18:29:53] <Beineri> what about updating the online KDE4 help part? [18:30:24] <Beineri> assuming we keep the "Show Introduction to KDE4" link in there [18:30:49] <rabauke> who created the kde introduction pdf that was part of 11.1? [18:30:54] <Beineri> pdf? [18:31:08] <Beineri> ah, the quick introduction by docu team [18:31:20] <Bille_home> i was talking to saigkill about that [18:31:30] <Bille_home> in progress [18:31:39] <saigkill> in progress [18:31:49] <Beineri> that includes the "how to change default browser" stuff? [18:31:57] <rabauke> I thought it was quite helpful, but I only found it by chance, so putting it somewhere prominent might be nice. [18:32:19] <Bille_home> rabauke: the plan is to have a set of i18ned docs on the default install and livecd [18:32:33] <Beineri> the online help had the advantages of a) you can update it, b) having translations, c) after string freeze [18:33:17] <rabauke> Beineri: help.opensuse.org...? I fso, it should be expanded, it was quite short. [18:33:36] <Beineri> rabauke: http://help.opensuse.org/kde4/ [18:33:42] <rabauke> yep [18:33:56] <rabauke> very short [18:34:13] <Beineri> well, it was supposed to fit in the greeter initially :-) [18:34:25] <Beineri> contribute to expand it [18:34:34] <rabauke> if it could be expanded, one could intzegrate infos about new things in KDE4 [18:34:58] <rabauke> Beineri: ok, whereto? some new wiki page? [18:35:02] <Beineri> yeah, everything has to learn about marble wallpaper :-) [18:35:06] <Beineri> everyone [18:35:29] <rabauke> ok, so next: [18:35:31] <rabauke> * ensure libssh version update to 0.3.2 (llunak) [18:35:36] <llunak> in factory [18:35:41] <rabauke> * ensure packaging of the new kio_sftp (tittiatcoke) [18:36:13] <llunak> done, if he's not here [18:36:23] <rabauke> * breadcrumb setting (Beineri) [18:36:35] <Beineri> done [18:36:40] <rabauke> * tell Coolo about the list of community repositories (llunak) [18:36:44] <llunak> done [18:37:05] <rabauke> any result from that "telling"? [18:37:22] <coolo> the other community repo is now in the list [18:37:25] <llunak> I don't have the bugreport number handy, but I think it's done [18:37:39] <rabauke> ok [18:37:43] <rabauke> * patch out plasma pixmapcache bug (wstephenson) [18:37:43] <Beineri> solved by kdelibs4 branch diff update [18:38:06] <cb400f> coolo: and the kde3 community repo has been removed? [18:38:10] <coolo> llunak: bug 530848 [18:38:14] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 530848 in openSUSE 11.2 (Patterns) "Yast2 community repositories for 11.2 for KDE" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugzilla.novell.com/530848 [18:38:15] <Bille_home> done by beineri during my illness ;) [18:38:39] <coolo> cb400f: it was replaced, yes [18:38:46] <cb400f> great [18:38:47] <rabauke> there is still https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203058 which will slow down KDE 4.3 the more you use konqueror etc. [18:38:50] <bugbot> KDE bug 203058 in plasma (notifications) "plasma keeps copy jobs in plasma-desktop-appletsrc and thus grows the config file endlessly causing slow plasma launch" [Major,Unconfirmed] [18:38:53] <coolo> cb400f: you will notice when you refresh danish of community-repos.po :) [18:39:02] <cb400f> ;-) [18:39:35] <rabauke> ok, new items: [18:39:38] <llunak> rabauke: we still have time to do futher 4.3 branch updates [18:39:39] <rabauke> * Disable PulseAudio by default for KDE? [18:39:40] <Beineri> rabauke: find someone non-suse to confirm that bug report ;-) [18:39:45] <rabauke> I guess that is already answered [18:39:51] <llunak> not yet [18:39:58] <rabauke> Beineri: I think lydia uses ubuntu [18:40:01] <llunak> and we should have status now [18:40:31] <rabauke> ok, then status first. I'll add that to the meeting wiki page [18:40:34] <Beineri> yeah, what happend in last two weeks? :-) [18:40:49] <Beineri> "New on KDE Live-CDs: Choqok, KNode, Kompare, KSystemlog, Okteta and more; OOo translations (i586 only) " [18:40:59] <Beineri> there was too much free space which had to be filled ;-) [18:41:42] <llunak> xine is default, pulseaudio is also now removed from the kde pattern (but let's keep that for the topic, this may not be final) [18:41:44] <Beineri> Plasma gained some last-day patches (like making "Configure Plasma..." more visible) [18:42:13] <cb400f> more visible == you don't need to zoom out first? [18:42:14] <Beineri> ah, kde4-printer-applet is gone from CD/default install again as Coolo complained about its resource usage [18:42:25] <Beineri> cb400f: yeah, it's right in main desktop cashew now [18:42:35] <cb400f> hm.. a bit scary ;-) [18:43:00] * cb400f doesn't fully trust separate activities on different desktops yet [18:43:06] <Beineri> cb400f: do you prefer endless "How can I have different activities/wallpapers for each desktop" in #suse? :-) [18:43:10] <Bille_home> Beineri: you added a 'default panel' thing too, since last meeting, right? [18:43:28] <cb400f> nah, overall it's better that people don't zoom out :-) [18:43:30] <rabauke> yes, and he needs more testers as it crashes for me [18:43:31] <Beineri> Bille_home: only readded from 11.1 - and make it work :-) [18:44:12] <Beineri> some other stuff was that the app menus now have options about "Show 'Recently Installed' and collapsing menu depth [18:44:43] <Beineri> Firefox integration fixes are progressing nicely... [18:45:30] <Beineri> Seli filed more dropping of kde3 apps [18:45:47] <Beineri> sorry, he is grown-up now. llunak [18:46:28] <Beineri> and application versions/snapshot should be rather up-to-date [18:47:16] <Beineri> (kdebluetooth4 update submit request is still pending) [18:47:53] <Beineri> Bille_home: what else happened? knm works more than 85%? :-) [18:48:45] <Bille_home> Beineri: more like 95% now [18:48:52] <rabauke> knm4 works with wpa eap now! [18:48:59] <rabauke> and wpa psk as well! [18:49:07] <Bille_home> i am trying to validate vpn and mobile and have problems with NM itself [18:49:12] <rabauke> and it's much nicer than the plasma thingy [18:49:35] <Bille_home> coolo reports some secrets saving problems with openvpn... [18:49:44] <Bille_home> i need final artwork from oxygen... [18:49:59] <Bille_home> fixed a bunch of dumb crashes found by M6 users, fixes in M7 [18:50:07] <Beineri> OOo should have finally and really oxygen icon set with next submit/build [18:50:31] <Beineri> ah, and YaST2 control center is back to one-click :-) [18:51:07] <cb400f> she didn't disclose what'll happen with the status information popup stuff [18:51:50] <Beineri> cb400f: ask her (in #yast)? [18:52:46] <Beineri> M6 KDE Live-CD will be quite good, but several submit requests for M6 pending already... [18:52:57] <Beineri> for after M6 [18:53:10] <coolo> Beineri: did you already test sound? [18:53:32] <Beineri> coolo: uhm, no. had enough from amarok/mysql shit ;-( [18:53:53] <coolo> Beineri: well, the login sound for a start? :) [18:54:59] <Bille_home> coolo: when do you think we will have M6? [18:55:09] <coolo> Bille_home: monday as I said [18:55:19] <coolo> the live cds will be published in an hour or so though [18:55:28] <coolo> M6 = build233 for dvd, build235 for live cd [18:56:47] <rabauke> done with statuses? [18:56:56] <rabauke> or stati [18:57:48] <Beineri> coolo: my net install from today has logout sound in vbox... [18:58:30] <rabauke> so back to new items. [18:58:35] <rabauke> * What do to with kdebase3-{apps,session,workspace}? [18:59:21] <Beineri> coolo: and #231 live-cd with phonon-backend-xine login sound.... [18:59:50] <Beineri> yeah, as long as they are somewhere (=FTP) available people will install them :-| [19:00:20] <Beineri> or get them when upgrading from 11.1 [19:00:57] <Beineri> coolo: there is nothing more as "frozen" package state, or? [19:01:02] <rabauke> what are the options? [19:01:28] <Beineri> ugly "hack the .spec" to not build them within Factory? [19:01:45] <coolo> Beineri: I maintain the list of frozen packages now myself - they are removed from factory tree [19:01:50] <Beineri> (but for 11.2/Factory within KDE:KDE3) [19:02:01] <llunak> I don't have any better idea - how can we detect Factory in .spec though? [19:02:01] * coolo still needs to put that stuff in a public git, but for now it's in my svn [19:02:08] <Beineri> coolo: so if we exclude them I would prefer this easier solution :-) [19:02:13] <bugbot> New openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) bug 532980 filed by metast@gmx.de. [19:02:14] <coolo> llunak: %_project [19:02:14] <bugbot> Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/532980 Normal, P5 - None, NEW, KDE4 Plasma Panels blocking clicking and pointing in fullscreen apps [19:02:30] <coolo> Beineri: just file a bug [19:02:31] <Beineri> llunak: KDE:KDE3 projconf contains a special flag [19:02:57] <Beineri> llunak: already used for kdewebdev3.spec speciality [19:03:40] <Beineri> coolo: ok, so nobody cries against dropping - will do :-) [19:03:57] <rabauke> is that an AI? [19:04:06] <llunak> dropping what? [19:04:25] <Beineri> llunak: kdebase3-session and dropping/excluding -apps/-workspace [19:04:27] <llunak> oh, I thought you meant dropping kdebase3 as a whole [19:04:40] <Beineri> no, kdebase3-runtime and kdebase3 will stay [19:05:04] <Beineri> have to stay [19:05:09] <llunak> rabauke: yes, that's AI ... Beineri's :) ? or should I? [19:05:50] <Beineri> llunak: actually some more packages too like kdebase3-kdm [19:06:37] <llunak> Beineri: will you do that? [19:06:44] <Beineri> llunak: yes [19:07:03] <rabauke> * AI: drop kdebase3-session and dropping/excluding -apps/-workspace (Beineri) [19:07:14] <Beineri> kdebase3-session is actually built from kdebase3 [19:07:24] <rabauke> * Not installing 'Desktop Effects' (i.e. Compiz) pattern by default [19:07:28] <rabauke> +1 [19:08:20] <llunak> as coolo mentioned, defaults are not for people who make choices :) , so IMO we can drop this, and whoever still wants Compiz with KDE can install it [19:08:20] <Beineri> it not in milestone 6 and hasn't in any previous anyway? [19:08:31] <Beineri> (at least on CDs) [19:08:43] <llunak> the only slighy problem here is that the pattern is called 'Desktop Effects', so it may look like we don't have any [19:08:57] <llunak> coolo: would it be possible to rename it to e.g. 'Compiz Desktop Effects' or something like that? [19:09:41] <coolo> Beineri: this is about DVDs, yes [19:10:02] <coolo> Beineri: I thought you're familiar with the concept of -opt now :) [19:10:06] <Bille_home> llunak: abbreviated to CDE? [19:11:09] * llunak waits for coolo to process the input buffer :) [19:11:34] <rabauke> the pattern name needs to be changed indeed [19:12:20] <Beineri> llunak: put kwin into that pattern and make it selected/supplement KDE desktop (and compiz pre-selected for GNOME only)? :-) [19:13:05] <llunak> I don't think it solves anything in practice, if that's the case, we may as well leave the pattern included [19:13:36] <Beineri> KDE4-XGL == "Desktop Effects" KDE part? [19:13:38] <coolo> llunak: I only react on bugs [19:13:55] * coolo is not in his official role part of this meeting :) [19:14:05] <llunak> coolo: and if I create one about renaming the pattern, with a patch, will it be accepted? [19:15:27] <llunak> hmm, the pattern is not that (although I have no idea what else it drags in), maybe it'd be better to simply leave as it is [19:15:31] <coolo> llunak: as we're past string freeze, your way goes over start - opensuse-translations [19:15:32] <llunak> not that big [19:15:40] <coolo> fortunately you have cb400f here to send the message ;) [19:15:55] <coolo> llunak: it drags in compiz, the plugins and the kde frontend [19:16:11] <coolo> 5 or 6 packages all in all [19:16:20] <llunak> in that case I suggest we leave it as it is - ok ? [19:16:39] <coolo> llunak: all or still disable the pattern? [19:17:10] <llunak> coolo: leave it enabled for kde too [19:17:50] <coolo> I don't care either side [19:17:56] <coolo> I know how to uninstall compiz [19:18:21] <Beineri> coolo: 4 packages, 1.0 MiB on my install [19:18:26] <llunak> ok, I'll leave it, unless somebody disagrees [19:18:33] <llunak> rabauke: I think we can go to next one [19:18:47] <Beineri> +simple-ccsm-kde [19:19:20] <rabauke> * MozillaFirefox-theme-oxygen probably not needed? See bug #530837 [19:19:28] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 530837 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "MozillaFirefox-theme-oxygen probably not needed?" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/530837 [19:20:14] <Beineri> javier_: did you see wofir's post on the list? [19:20:58] <javier_> Beineri: you mean on the mailing list? [19:21:13] <Beineri> javier_: yeah, opensuse-kde [19:21:13] <javier_> nto the last one i guess [19:21:35] <coolo> ok, need to clean the flat for my family to return tomorrow ... :) [19:21:48] <Beineri> tells more or less the same than the bug report though :_) [19:22:13] <javier_> Beineri: and yes. that he's going to keep it but questions to leave it on the live cd? [19:22:48] <rabauke> coolo: have fun! [19:22:55] <Beineri> there is no space problem atm... [19:23:19] <javier_> Beineri: ah ok. then we can close the bug [19:23:32] <rabauke> ok [19:23:40] <rabauke> * Mozilla javascript engine for konqueror. The number of websites which are deliberately made to work with firefox that konqueror 3 and 4 can't handle has sky-rocketed this year. [19:23:55] <Beineri> javier_: so you're fine with comment#1? [19:24:01] <llunak> whose is this item? [19:24:16] <rabauke> that's a feature request that should go to bugs.kde.org [19:24:25] <Beineri> javier_: or insist on having some "use by default" mechanism implemented? [19:24:40] <javier_> Beineri: i would rather use it by default [19:25:18] <javier_> if possible [19:25:19] <rabauke> llunak: nobody as it seems. [19:25:26] <Beineri> User:Volkerkuhlmann [19:26:13] <Beineri> javier_: seems you have to convince wolfir than more... :-) [19:26:18] <rabauke> I guess the answer is: that's why firefox is default for 11.2. We hope koqnueror gets better or changes its engine to keep the nic eGUI. [19:26:31] <javier_> Beineri: ok, I can try :) [19:26:40] <rabauke> * Firefox defaults to evolution instead of kmail. It should at least offer kmail as an app for the mail action. [19:26:44] <llunak> rabauke: yes, this item itself is outside of opensuse's scope [19:26:52] <rabauke> That's mine. [19:26:57] <llunak> (I meant the javascript one) [19:27:06] <Beineri> that's part in one of the firefox/kde bug reports already? [19:27:09] <rabauke> If firefox is used by default it should work with kmail by default as well. [19:27:16] <llunak> see bug #494376 [19:27:20] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 494376 in openSUSE 11.1 (Firefox) "“Send link...” in Firefox opens empty KMail composer window" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/494376 [19:27:37] <javier_> Beineri: ok, then we can leave it as an AI... I will talk with Wolfi [19:27:42] <Beineri> bug 527417 [19:27:45] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 527417 in openSUSE 11.2 (Firefox) ""Send Link..." fails on KDE4 desktop" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/527417 [19:27:52] <llunak> there appears to be a generic problem with having kde-specific defaults in firefox [19:28:32] <Beineri> yeah, but wolfiR is willing to help :-) [19:28:43] <rabauke> so why is kmail not offered in the mail apps list? [19:28:51] <rabauke> evolution is although it is not isntalled [19:29:43] <rabauke> I think not showing it in the lsit is a bug. [19:29:45] <llunak> rabauke: because that's what firefox gets from gnomevfs as the default [19:30:04] <rabauke> it has yahoo and google mail in tha tlist too [19:30:13] <llunak> those are web-based, that's handled differently [19:30:30] <javier_> Beineri: I know. He helped me a lot with the submission and creation of that package [19:30:51] <rabauke> at minimum this needs to be put into the help page for 11.2 and the release notes. [19:30:56] <llunak> well, let me see what can be done here [19:31:06] <Beineri> javier_: talking in general, not only icon theme specific [19:31:12] <llunak> AI: investigate how to make Firefox default to KMail in KDE (llunak) [19:31:38] <javier_> Beineri: I'm talking in particular with my case. so you would leave the package as Wolfi says [19:31:48] <llunak> let me make that "AI: investigate how to make Firefox default to KMail in KDE (llunak)" [19:32:46] <rabauke> ok, ladies and gentlemen, we are now at Q&A and Misc. [19:33:52] <rabauke> if one deletes powerdevilrc, should it re-create all default schemes? I only got "performance". [19:34:29] <llunak> maybe you shouldn't delete it :) ? [19:34:29] <Beineri> bugs.kde.org? :-) [19:34:53] <rabauke> I thought so too ( for both) :ü [19:34:55] <rabauke> :p [19:35:10] <rabauke> are there any people who would test Beineri's "Add default panel"? [19:35:53] <Beineri> rabauke: does it crash everytime? [19:36:27] <rabauke> Beineri: it only worked once when adding a default panel to a folder-view containment. [19:36:40] <badshah> Is it in MS6? I can test it. [19:37:35] <rabauke> Beineri: ^^? [19:37:39] <Beineri> badshah: yes, you can also try build#235 live-cds (which will maybe become milestone 6 live-cds) [19:37:48] <rabauke> badshah: it is certainly part of KDE:Factory [19:38:13] <Beineri> and on #231 it doens't crash [19:38:36] <rabauke> any more q&a or misc? [19:38:41] <herby> I have played with pam_kwallet for KDE4. Works so far. Is it possible to get tryOpen into kwallet? [19:39:16] <badshah> yes, I will try with factory/desktop on 11.1 and live-cd's from MS6 [19:39:47] <Bille_home> herby: adding api to kwallet? [19:39:49] <Beineri> rabauke: didn't your backtrace include knm parts? ;-) [19:40:12] <badshah> Will it be better to have the running jobs not auto-hide by default? [19:40:18] <rabauke> Beineri: I only copied them to the pastebin... [19:40:21] <herby> yes, a aditional dbus call, like in KDE3 [19:40:34] <rabauke> badshah: good point [19:40:54] <rabauke> I also opt for not auto-hiding notifications. [19:40:55] <Bille_home> herby: you should talk to michael leupold as kwallet maintainer [19:40:59] <Bille_home> why it's not there anymore [19:41:01] <llunak> herby: I thought that was has been already ported to kde4 - isn't there a bugreport about it? [19:41:12] <rabauke> kopete etc. notifications will still be hidden anyway. [19:41:18] <badshah> rabauke: people might be misled thinking that job is done. [19:42:01] <badshah> rabauke: yes, i tried turining off the notifications from the system-tray settings and the notifications from most applications do still auto-hide. [19:42:24] <herby> llunak: currently it is not. KDE 4.4 will get another solution together with gnome, I hav heard. [19:42:29] <rabauke> badshah: that's how it works. it forces notification that would not auto-hide to hide. [19:42:40] <badshah> but jobs do not. I think this is the better default to have, isn't it? [19:42:49] <llunak> herby: I means opensuse-specific [19:42:59] <llunak> gee ... I meant opensuse-specific [19:44:17] <herby> llunak: No it is not in KKFD... [19:45:04] <herby> llunak, but have branched kdelibs4 and kdebase4-runtime and added pinarfs patch [19:45:26] <rabauke> badshah: file a bug at bugzilla.novell.com and cc me, that way we do not forget :) [19:45:27] <llunak> herby: oh, I see, it's private bugreport, because it's security-related [19:45:50] <llunak> herby: make a separate bugreport, or a submitreq, if it's already ready [19:46:01] <badshah> rabauke: ok, will do [19:46:16] <llunak> rabauke: meeting over? [19:46:19] <herby> llunka: OK, I will do both. [19:46:43] * herby dislikes EEEPC keyboards [19:46:58] <rabauke> llunak: guess so. [19:47:09] <rabauke> thanks for attending everyone! [19:47:16] <rabauke> see you in two weeks.