KDE/Meetings/2009 07 23-transcript

[18:10] <wstephenson> Hello everyone [18:10] <wstephenson> This is the 15th openSUSE KDE team meeting of 2009 [18:11] <wstephenson> welcome, please follow the agenda and if you have random questions, wait until Q&A at the end [18:11] <wstephenson> Agenda [18:11] <wstephenson> * old action items [18:11] <wstephenson> * status reports [18:11] <wstephenson> * status plasma notify firefox add-on and Firefox Oxygen skin [18:11] <wstephenson> * what to do about the 'show space information' [18:11] <wstephenson> * Package and evaluate automounter for 11.2 [18:12] <wstephenson> * Discuss pending todos before package/version freeze (eg KDE/Ideas/11.2 l [18:12] <wstephenson> * Please [18:12] <remur_030> topic [18:12] <wstephenson> </joke> [18:12] <wstephenson> can someone set the topic, chanserv doesn't know me [18:13] <wstephenson> old AIs [18:14] <wstephenson> * add packaging guideline for kde4 packages (wstephenson) [18:14] <wstephenson> not done - will it ever be? [18:14] <wstephenson> * figure out license repo dialogs and other ways how to notify the users about our bug reports policy (wstephenson) [18:14] <wstephenson> not done [18:14] <remur_030> I guess better drop it for now [18:14] <wstephenson> * put together a howto for cross distribution packaging of kde applications [18:14] <wstephenson> no bittin here [18:15] <Seli> that one should be probably reassigned to me anyway [18:15] <wstephenson> Seli: are you documenting your experiences? [18:15] <Seli> and since it's more work, it shouldn't be AI [18:15] <Seli> not yet [18:15] <wstephenson> i need to ask you about that tomorrow [18:15] <Seli> ok [18:15] <wstephenson> * find out about branding, upstream vs openSUSE [18:16] <wstephenson> everyone i asked about that is happy [18:16] <Beineri> mrdocs said yesterday that he will take over the cross distribution packaging AI [18:16] <wstephenson> i've briefed the oxygen team to produce a wallpaper [18:16] <wstephenson> and we'll take it from there [18:16] <remur_030> uh, so we just add in out geeko like we see fit? [18:17] <wstephenson> we could go a lot further and brand kdm and the splash too, but we're going to see how the wallpaper turns out first [18:17] <wstephenson> no, oxygen are doing the artwork including the suse elements [18:17] <Seli> Beineri: I'll note down in the minutes that I'm taking that one over, so he can talk to me [18:17] <remur_030> ah good [18:17] <Beineri> Seli: he wants to do it also because it's topic of his opensuse conference talk [18:17] <wstephenson> jimmac says he's fine with us doing branding with KDE but he will leave it up to us and upstream [18:18] <wstephenson> if anyone is good at artwork and wants to get involved with the oxygen guys, contact me [18:19] <wstephenson> the oxy guys would like to do windecos and tweak widget styles, but don't have coders, so we could help there [18:19] <wstephenson> i said we'd let our past windeco disagreements lie [18:19] <wstephenson> any questions? [18:20] <Seli> not here [18:20] <remur_030> nope [18:20] <Beineri> is plasma background theme branding still in game? :-) [18:20] <wstephenson> Beineri: yes [18:20] <Beineri> that is http://developer.kde.org/~binner/spot-the-branding.png [18:22] <remur_030> ooh, i at first only considered the spiral in the top to be the geeko tail =) [18:22] <alin> Beineri: are you making jokes? [18:22] <Beineri> m4 should use oxon deco without border setting enabled btw [18:22] <wstephenson> i passed that along as an example [18:22] <Beineri> alin: pardon? [18:22] <wstephenson> next topic... [18:22] <alin> Beineri: I see no branding [18:22] <wstephenson> post your favorite screenshots for each topic [18:22] <wstephenson> * [18:22] <alin> wstephenson no more branding? [18:22] <bitshuffler> alin: well, look harder ;P [18:23] <wstephenson> alin: it's in the oxy team's hands for now [18:23] <alin> bitshuffler: later after beer I may see it [18:23] <wstephenson> * check what is needed for epub support in okular (llunak) [18:23] <alin> wstephenson: perfect, I had an idea and wanted to pass it for the record [18:24] <wstephenson> alin: about branding? [18:24] <alin> yap [18:24] <remur_030> epub is done, thanks Seli [18:24] <Beineri> factory review pending [18:24] <alin> I was thinking about a lizard resting on the bar from login screen [18:25] <badshah400> If the theming for gnome and KDE are being done by different teams, they would look completely different. Isn't this an issue, that there will be little cross-desktop? [18:25] <remur_030> badshah400: we went over this, we'll see for this release how it works out [18:25] <badshah400> sorry meant cross-desktop similarity [18:25] <wstephenson> badshah400: yes, we will go our own ways [18:25] <badshah400> ok, thanks [18:25] <wstephenson> we will cooperate on things like colour so it's not 2 completely different distros [18:26] <remur_030> and the geeko [18:26] <wstephenson> but we have given up on 1 theme for both desktops, it didn't work [18:26] <remur_030> ! [18:26] <wstephenson> alin: noted [18:26] <remur_030> i bit ot, aseigo showed not much love for the K gears logo, is there anything going on there as well? [18:27] <remur_030> a bit ot* [18:27] <wstephenson> remur_030: OT. dunno. [18:27] <remur_030> ok [18:27] <wstephenson> * make sure plasma notify firefox add-on and Firefox Oxygen skin are packaged, for evalution of inclusion (javier_) [18:27] <wstephenson> that's an agenda item for later [18:27] <Beineri> wolfiR has review firefox notification and is pending submit for factory [18:27] <Beineri> reviewed, dunno about second [18:28] <wstephenson> ok [18:28] <wstephenson> javier_: do you want to talk about that in detail or is it just a status update? [18:28] <Beineri> package will be called MozillaFirefox-kde4-kdeaddon [18:28] <Beineri> package will be called MozillaFirefox-kde4-addon [18:30] <wstephenson> * drop katalog, hk_classes, knoda from 11.2 (llunak) [18:30] <wstephenson> what happened with katalog? [18:30] <Beineri> meanwhile dropped too [18:30] <Seli> dropped [18:31] <Beineri> wstephenson: looking at old AIs? [18:31] <Seli> the requests just took time [18:31] <remur_030> wstephenson: you messing up the ais [18:31] <wstephenson> oh ffs [18:31] <wstephenson> * katalog status? (llunak) [18:31] <wstephenson> ok [18:31] <wstephenson> * add yakuake to the image (Beineri) [18:32] <Beineri> done [18:32] <wstephenson> (sorry folks, on 1024x768 the old old and old AIs don't fit on the screen at same time) [18:32] <alin> wstephenson are we sure that we want yakuake? [18:32] <wstephenson> * file bug report about missing rescue tools (cb400f, bitshuffler) [18:32] <Beineri> alin: sigh, why not? [18:32] <wstephenson> alin: afaik it was discussed and agreed already [18:32] <alin> is bloody slow at f12, drives me crazy [18:32] <wstephenson> so check the minutes :) [18:32] <Beineri> alin: then don't use it [18:33] <alin> Beineri: exactly what I do [18:33] <Beineri> alin: and don't complain [18:33] <bitshuffler> wstephenson: I totally failed fs tools & fdisk are on it (I looked for the wrong package) [18:33] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: ok [18:33] <Beineri> afaik what cb400f missed was already on live-cd and bitshuffler's report same [18:33] <wstephenson> * suggest list what Qt/KDE apps to add to DVD (remur_030) [18:34] <remur_030> not done, I could file a bugreport for some I found missing in a quick skipthrough though [18:34] <alin> back-in-time or any other decent backup kde application [18:34] <remur_030> alin: suggestion? I don't know any... [18:34] <Beineri> remur_030: start a wiki page maybe so other can comment/add? [18:34] <alin> back-in-time is mine [18:35] <alin> Beineri: great idea [18:35] * Beineri can't remember that a package exists for that [18:35] <alin> there is [18:35] <remur_030> Beineri: will do, though I guess response will be similar to your livecd image request [18:35] <Beineri> in Factory? [18:35] <remur_030> anyways, what about Community? [18:35] <alin> packman [18:36] <wstephenson> and we need this list by Jul 31 i guess, since that is component freeze [18:36] <Beineri> remur_030: if there something that really should be in, there is one week left [18:36] <remur_030> if we want to push stuff from community to factory it needs to be done soon [18:36] <badshah400> konversation for kde4 seems not to be ready, perhaps we could have some other Qt4 IRC client? [18:36] <alin> what is wrong with konversation [18:36] <Beineri> remur_030: dunno when Contrib closes (and how long it will still exist :-) [18:36] <remur_030> add this as discussion topic for later? [18:36] <alin> is beta [18:37] <Beineri> alin: most stuff is in packman for a reason [18:37] <wstephenson> remur_030: agreed, let's move on [18:37] <Beineri> badshah400: don't even say Quassel. ;-) Konversation/kde4 is considered more mature than last Konversation/kde3 by its developers btw [18:37] <wstephenson> * drop kdesdk3, build kdewebdev3 without cvsservice (and other kde3 apps) (Beineri) [18:37] <Beineri> done [18:38] <wstephenson> * s/kde4-plasm/plasm/g/ package names, rename kde4-konqueror-plugins (Beineri) is done too right? [18:38] <Beineri> done (only plasma-addons atm not in Factory) [18:38] <wstephenson> * file new .ymp and do fate request (rabauke) [18:38] <wstephenson> what was that about? [18:38] <Beineri> badshah400: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/QuasselvsKonvi [18:39] <remur_030> wstephenson: i think about the mess that happens when one has still old community repos in there [18:39] <alin> Beineri: stop bringing the brown plaque here [18:39] <Beineri> alin: stop stupid comments [18:39] <wstephenson> ok so [18:40] <badshah400> beineri: No, not quassel in any way. But I see only alpha4 for konversation, will it be stable enough in time? [18:40] <wstephenson> * status reports [18:40] <Beineri> badshah400: as said, it's much further than alpha [18:40] <alin> badshah400: is beta, at least this was the discussion in the morning [18:40] <wstephenson> badshah400: let's discuss this in detail before the Q&A [18:40] <badshah400> wstephenson: sure, lets move on [18:41] <wstephenson> * my status [18:41] <wstephenson> * Hackweek: *finish* NM-kde4 [18:41] <wstephenson> all the big items are done [18:41] <alin> wstephenson: congrat [18:41] <wstephenson> down to 70 bug reports from 250 [18:41] <bitshuffler> great one :) [18:42] <wstephenson> and i'm fixing the smaller ones like vpnc support now [18:42] <remur_030> sorry if I am responding somewhat delayed now [18:42] <bitshuffler> wstephenson is the "use hash instead of pwd" also already done? [18:42] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: no, but it will be this week [18:42] <bitshuffler> great news :) [18:43] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: it was lower priority than others like re-prompting for EAP secrets if needed [18:43] <Beineri> 11.2 Milestone 4 (on way to mirrors) still has KDE 4.3 rc1, KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop has KDE 4.3 rc3 [18:43] <wstephenson> and secret storage without wallet or no storage [18:43] <bitshuffler> wstephenson: that's fine. Just wanted to know when I can give it another testing [18:43] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: new package tonight [18:43] <Beineri> KDE 4.3 rc3 is entering Factory these minutes for Milestone 5, KDE:KDE4:UNSTALBE:Desktop has 4.3.61 snapshot [18:44] <wstephenson> Beineri: heard anything if milestone 5 is still aug 6? coolo? [18:44] <remur_030> Seli: how was the packaging workshop at akregator? [18:44] <Seli> remur_030: ? [18:44] <remur_030> didn't you want to make a session with adrianS? [18:44] <Beineri> wstephenson: still? now aug 6 instead 2nd :-) [18:45] <remur_030> ah nvm then [18:45] <Beineri> Final tagging is now scheduled for 28th, with release on 4th August [18:45] <wstephenson> Seli: he meant at akademy [18:46] <Seli> ah - there wasn't any [18:46] <remur_030> urgs, yes [18:46] <remur_030> ah ok then [18:46] <wstephenson> * akademy report then [18:47] <wstephenson> i mostly talked to people about khtml/kdewebkitpart/konqueror and started learning the codebase [18:47] <remur_030> wstephenson: you really intend to enter that sharkpit? [18:47] <wstephenson> on distro stuff, i went to a BoF led by the pardus guys [18:48] <wstephenson> remur_030: i'm speaking to you from the bottom of it now ;) [18:48] <remur_030> hehe [18:48] <wstephenson> it turned out to be a presentation of the Pardus distro tools, which are all KDE 4 based and very cool [18:48] <Seli> remur_030: not really a sharkpit - somebody just needs to write code to make webkitpart work well with konqueror [18:48] <wstephenson> we want to keep talking to them down the line and making those tools distro independent [18:48] <bitshuffler> wstephenson: distro tools as in pardus style yast or ... ? [18:49] <wstephenson> yes, but really well integrated with the deskotp [18:49] * bitshuffler wants ;D [18:49] <wstephenson> eg notifications from system services as knotifications, user management, policykit settings [18:49] <Seli> pity I missed that one - I was probably at the fd.o discussion or something [18:49] <remur_030> Seli: well most blogposts seemed to indicate people are not happy with the current situation but they all don't seem to want the same =/ [18:49] <wstephenson> it was quite humbling what they can do [18:50] <Seli> remur_030: most blogposts also indicated that they don't really have much clue [18:50] <wstephenson> apart from that i gave a talk about akonadi which went down quite well and part of a talk about productivity tools [18:50] <bitshuffler> wstephenson totally ot but is pardus rpm, deb or something else? (if it's one of the two it perhaps could go on obs) [18:50] <wstephenson> but i found akademy quite unproductive in terms of meetings and planning this year, too many distractions. [18:50] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: something else [18:51] <wstephenson> Seli: any words from you about akademy? [18:51] <Seli> I took part in the discussion about fixing fd.o , I had a bof about kwin+plasma ... hmm [18:52] <Seli> do people really expect I remember stuff from 2 weeks back? I need to learn to write down these things [18:52] <remur_030> how was the cross desktop party? the talks didn't look really cross desktop, and jos indicated it wasn't really much cross desktop hugging going on [18:52] <Seli> oh, went to a dinner with gnomies and survived :) [18:52] <alin> wstephenson I hope their distro is better than their English [18:52] <wstephenson> remur_030: part or party? [18:52] <remur_030> part, I should stop my sloppy writing [18:53] <wstephenson> the parties were not bad [18:53] <Seli> remur_030: the cross-desktop talks part could have been better [18:53] <wstephenson> the crossdesktop part was full of content [18:53] <wstephenson> but they were not prepared to pursue cross desktop goals [18:54] <alin> the gnomes? [18:54] <wstephenson> ie talking about ones own project which could have cross desktop applications [18:54] <wstephenson> alin: same on both sides [18:54] <Seli> alin: the talks, by whoever [18:54] <bitshuffler> do you folks have any clues when the slides / videos will be available online? [18:54] <wstephenson> so a lot of interesting stuff but not much in the way of hard results for cross desktop stuff [18:54] <wstephenson> except the fd.o meeting [18:55] <Beineri> bitshuffler: no, for slides I was told one should kick Jos :-) [18:55] <wstephenson> and the semantic people made progress [18:55] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: i haven't heard anything either, but they did record everything [18:55] <remur_030> good think fd.o sees some more activity [18:55] <wstephenson> usually the video conversion to online formats from DV takes weeks [18:55] <bitshuffler> oh well, I'll check the dot then :) [18:56] <wstephenson> anyway Seli was an agreeable roommate, didn't make me dye my hair or any other rockstar tricks [18:56] <Seli> gee ... everybody was asking about the hair this time *roll* [18:56] <wstephenson> the location was fine but i hope for a really boring location next year so we get more done instead of just listening to talks and going to sponsor parties [18:57] <wstephenson> so next topic [18:57] <Seli> wstephenson: finland ... cold ... polar summer ... limited alcohol availability ... :) [18:57] <alin> Seli: I heard girls are open minded there would not work [18:57] <Beineri> Seli: and limited/expensive internet? [18:58] <wstephenson> "show space information" [18:58] <wstephenson> that is javier_'s item, no? [18:58] <alin> wstephenson central africa with olpc laptops [18:58] <remur_030> Beineri: i thought the scandinavians have good connection? [18:58] <remur_030> wstephenson: yeah, turned out it's not there because of space constraints [18:58] <remur_030> it's about what we do for opensuse here [18:59] <remur_030> upstream won't activate it is what javier_ found out [19:00] <Seli> I have no personal opinion, but I would be fine with enabling it [19:00] <wstephenson> i'm reading the minutes and i still don't understand what it's about [19:00] <Beineri> is it really an essential user information? [19:00] <Seli> s/opinion/preference/ [19:00] <wstephenson> is this the disk space info in properties, or for mounted volumes, or where in dolphin [19:00] <remur_030> Beineri: if it'd be upstream would propably have activated [19:00] <remur_030> wstephenson: in dolphin [19:00] <Beineri> wstephenson: it's about a graphical bar like "11.3 GiB free" (on drive) [19:01] <Beineri> (and if it's enabled 50% of people will file a bug report about GiB v GB ;-) [19:01] <wstephenson> always visible or on hover like in Places? [19:02] <Seli> wstephenson: in dolphin's statusbar, enabled in its configuration (general/statusbar) [19:02] <Beineri> wstephenson: always, next to icon slider. don't you have dolphin installed? [19:03] <badshah400> it was there in 4.1.x, but now that space is taken up by the zoom slider. [19:03] <remur_030> badshah400: they can live side by side [19:03] <badshah400> showing both takes up too much space in my opinion [19:04] <Beineri> it's a total non-interactive elemtent [19:04] <wstephenson> hm, it looks ugly by displacing the zoom slider [19:04] <wstephenson> i'd put it along the left edge of the icon view [19:04] <wstephenson> the old Amiga Workbench 'fuel gauge' [19:05] <wstephenson> too obvious? [19:07] <Beineri> skip it (topic and idea) imho :-) [19:07] <badshah400> Or zoom in zoom out buttons could be added to the toolbar and removed from the status bar [19:07] <remur_030> is it worth the trouble? people can activate it if they miss it [19:08] <bitshuffler> +1 [19:08] <wstephenson> remur_030: +1 [19:08] <wstephenson> add to release notes [19:08] <wstephenson> next [19:09] <wstephenson> package and evaluate automounter [19:09] <wstephenson> Seli? [19:09] <Seli> I think that's rabauke's [19:09] <bitshuffler> tittiatcoke: did that iirc (at least if I'm not mixing it up) [19:09] <javier_> here i am [19:09] <tittiatcoke> wstephenson: I spoke to rabauke and pointed to him the plasmoid-devicemanager. [19:10] <tittiatcoke> this could replace the standard devicenotifier and offers automount options. rabauke would check it out [19:10] <wstephenson> tittiatcoke: is he evaluating it? [19:10] <wstephenson> ok [19:10] <tittiatcoke> the plasmoid is currently in Community [19:11] * remur_030 points to deadline again [19:12] <wstephenson> AI: get recommendation from rabauke tomorrow [19:12] <wstephenson> if anyone else wants to check the devicemanager, please do [19:13] <alin> what is the name of the package? [19:13] <tittiatcoke> plasmoid-devicemanager [19:14] <alin> tittiatcoke: what repo? [19:14] <tittiatcoke> KDE:KDE4:Community [19:14] <wstephenson> * evaluate KDE/Ideas/11.2 [19:14] <Beineri> long list :-| [19:15] <Beineri> one thing not on it, who will care about translations this release? seli or wstephenson? [19:15] <wstephenson> i'll update the web browser item [19:15] <bitshuffler> Got one more: if dualscreen support works out as good as aseigo hopes and he adds it to 4.3.2 or so, can we get that for 11.2 too or is it too late then? [19:16] <bitshuffler> ^^ is an "idea for 11.2" ;D [19:16] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: possibly [19:16] <bitshuffler> \o/ [19:16] <wstephenson> but it's dual display support, not xrandr single display 2 outputs [19:16] <remur_030> xrandr is working good already [19:16] <bitshuffler> wstephenson it's what "seperate x sessions" is now, iirc [19:17] <wstephenson> yes [19:17] <Seli> Beineri: what do you mean exactly with "care about translations" ? [19:17] <remur_030> a few off the points on the list are done already, akonadi/strigi for example [19:17] <wstephenson> remur_030: does xrandr enable new outputs on hotplug for you? [19:17] <remur_030> wstephenson: well I need to call xrandr to span to the second monitor on dock [19:18] <remur_030> but kde can cope with it [19:18] <Beineri> Seli: use (dirk's) scripts to extract strings from patches, submit to translation svn, pull back translations later, put into packages, test, ... [19:18] <wstephenson> remur_030: i'm trying to find out if kephal should do that xrandr call automatically on hotplug [19:19] <remur_030> hrm I remember there is a kde config dialog seli has written (iirc) [19:19] <bitshuffler> remur_030: so with that xrandr I can add & remove the 2nd screen dynamically depending if it's on or not? [19:19] <wstephenson> iirc it was planned but disabled at some point [19:19] <remur_030> bitshuffler: yeah [19:19] <wstephenson> anyone know [19:19] <Seli> Beineri: hmm, I thought the submit part was automatic, but I can talk to dirk and take care of it [19:19] <remur_030> bitshuffler: I call that on dock 'xrandr --output VGA --mode 1680x1050 --right-of LVDS' [19:19] <bitshuffler> wstephenson I filed a but about getting automated detection if the 2nd screen is on or not and it got moved to kephal folks [19:20] <bitshuffler> remur_030: sounds good :) [19:20] <remur_030> wstephenson: is kephal that good already? maybe just spawn a notification for people to click and setup xrandr [19:20] <Seli> AI: figure out what all needs to be done for translations for 11.2 (llunak) [19:20] <remur_030> bitshuffler: intel though, but that works pretty fine since 4.2 [19:21] <bitshuffler> wstephenson: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193390 [19:21] <bugbot> KDE bug 193390 in kephal (General) "Xinerama should autodetect if the 2nd screen is on and act accordingly" [Normal,New] [19:21] <wstephenson> remur_030: afaics not yet, i'm finding out where it is stuck though [19:21] <Beineri> also not on the list, what to do with Digikam - which version to track? [19:21] <Beineri> AJ somehow announced at LinuxTag that openSUSE 11.1 would contain Digikam 1.0 [19:21] <Beineri> 11.2 [19:22] <Seli> the 11.2 ideas page says KDE3 digikam has been removed [19:22] <wstephenson> Seli: it's 0.9.x branch vs 1.0.0 branch [19:23] <wstephenson> i can't decide. batch processing vs stability [19:23] <wstephenson> given how long it takes to enter metadata i prefer stability [19:23] <remur_030> let's not forget the obs kde repos are pretty good [19:23] <Beineri> Seli: Digikam 0.10 is kde4 [19:23] <Beineri> 1.0 beta 2 packages are about 0.5MB bigger than 0.10 iirc [19:24] <wstephenson> remur_030: exactly [19:26] <remur_030> so go for stable, we can be happy there is a stable kde4 version already =) [19:26] <Beineri> so stay conversative? [19:26] <wstephenson> nod [19:26] <wstephenson> i'll go through the other ideas at the start of next week [19:26] <Beineri> why not (some) now? [19:27] <remur_030> Beineri: yeah, after the rought start with 11.1 that can't be a bad thing [19:27] * remur_030 agrees with Beineri, let's weed through, time is short [19:27] <Beineri> what about "Firefox icon on default panel" (instead of Konqueror)? [19:28] * Beineri wonders how reactions are after weeks of discussion how bad Konqueror is ;-) [19:28] <alin> Beineri: the new firefox made konqueror too look good [19:28] <Seli> I think we can put together all "default browser" things [19:28] <remur_030> I'd say go full steam with firefox, it is the best browser out there, the tradeoff for lack of integration isn't worth it [19:28] <alin> too=to [19:28] <Seli> we have firefox icon on desktop, konqueror icon on panel and the default is konqueror, with khtml [19:29] <dirk> we should switch the konqueror default to webkit [19:29] <Beineri> Seli: it's grouped on the page - and so far it looks like no Firefox/Qt, Arora as option on DVD and better Firefox integration [19:29] <wstephenson> dirk: but switch all the defaults to firefox ootb [19:29] <Seli> dirk: IMHO it wasn't good enough by this akademy, although I would like that [19:29] <dirk> wstephenson: why? [19:29] <wstephenson> dirk: nothing else is good enough [19:30] <Seli> wstephenson: with webkit as default I see no point in defaulting to firefox as the browser [19:30] <Seli> that said, for webkit as default it'd need more work [19:30] <wstephenson> Seli: i'm not sure 4.3 webkitpart is good enough either [19:30] <wstephenson> very not sure [19:31] <Beineri> +1 [19:31] <Seli> dirk: why do you think we should default to webkit? [19:31] <wstephenson> it's better than konq at rendering but that's it [19:32] <badshah400> imho, firefox is the much safer bet for the default browser for 11.2 [19:32] <tittiatcoke> remur_030: what about the printing issue with Factory + Firefox 3.5 combination ? [19:32] <dirk> Seli: less maintenance overhead [19:32] <dirk> Seli: and much better web compliance anyway. [19:32] <remur_030> tittiatcoke: I haven't started my factory install in quite some time, also I don't even have a printer at home so to be frank it's the first time I hear about it [19:32] <alin> I will stay with konqueror if people want to change to change [19:32] <Seli> dirk: and much worse user experience currently, sadly [19:33] <alin> lately firefox gets a free ride in linux, with no real improvements [19:33] <Seli> dirk: we'd need to help fixing the webkitpart [19:33] <remur_030> I think Beineri's "conservative" is a good target for 11.2.... [19:33] <dirk> Seli: hmm [19:33] <tittiatcoke> remur_030: it crashes with a glib error ever since Factory went to Glib 2.10 [19:33] <Beineri> remur_030: what does "conservative" mean here? :-) [19:33] <wstephenson> Seli: a lot of the fixes we need in webkitpart depend on qt 4.6 [19:34] <remur_030> Beineri: well firefox or konq with khmtl I'd say =/ [19:34] <tittiatcoke> also Arora is already slowly moving to Qt 4.6 [19:34] <bitshuffler> wstephenson: when will 4.6 be released? [19:35] <dirk> too late [19:35] <wstephenson> bitshuffler: they don't announce release dates [19:35] <wstephenson> but in the next 6 months [19:35] <wstephenson> "when it's done" is all QtS say [19:35] <Seli> so we switch everything to firefox by default , and mention this in the release notes? [19:35] <bitshuffler> oh, I'm totally looking forward to those new gui concept :) [19:35] <remur_030> tittiatcoke: oh that's bad, but that should be fixed in time eh? it's not like printing in firefox is a rare usecase [19:36] <wstephenson> so we're doing the webkitpart work vs Qt 4.6 git now [19:36] <alin> remur_030: plus random crashes on sites with flash [19:36] * Beineri is for just switching panel icon and keep KDE apps calling Konqueror [19:36] <Seli> Beineri: that doesn't make sense - either both, or none [19:36] <tittiatcoke> remur_030: It has been reported as bug, but the 3.6 alpha versions still has it [19:36] <wstephenson> Beineri: nah, it's a non solution [19:36] <wstephenson> what happens when i paste a link here? [19:36] <remur_030> alin: flash is a mess anyways =) [19:37] <alin> remur_030: tell that bbc [19:37] * dirk agrees with Beineri, if we have to [19:37] <Beineri> wstephenson: it will open in konqueror, and when site doesn't work I will open it in Firefox [19:37] <bitshuffler> can't you just make webkit usable and provide an option to switch between webkit & khmtl in konquis settings? Then the default could be set in a few months. [19:37] <Seli> Beineri: why switch the panel icon to firefox then? you can open pages that don't work in firefox too [19:37] <Beineri> bitshuffler: the option always existed [19:38] <bitshuffler> oh /me blushes - I failed to see it. [19:38] <remur_030> Beineri: but with that we'd leave the default open for later decission [19:38] <Beineri> bitshuffler: View/View Mode/WebKit [19:38] * bitshuffler looks [19:38] <Beineri> bitshuffler: for default change you have to change html file association though [19:39] <remur_030> hrmm I' [19:39] <wstephenson> dirk, Beineri: don't you fear that people won't use the 'Open in...' menu on broken sites in khtml and just use something else? [19:39] <Seli> ok, still something to discuss here or can we wrap up? will we decide now, or postpone for later (although I don't see what could change about this later)? [19:39] <remur_030> I'd say stick with konqi then, using firefox would propably also make us look bad in KDE space [19:39] <wstephenson> ie not KDE or a distro that ships kde+firefox default? [19:40] <Beineri> so what to do for 11.2/KDE 4.3 - not talking about future/11.3/kde 4.4+ :-) [19:40] <wstephenson> firefox by default. live in the real world [19:40] <remur_030> if konqueror is in better shape for 11.3 we'd need to switch again [19:40] <Seli> +1 firefox (although I don't like that much) [19:41] <alin> wstephenson one more release from firefox and would be as good as konqueror [19:41] <bitshuffler> make konqui default but put a firefox icon on the desktop & menu? [19:41] <Seli> remur_030: I hope we can switch back, but the point is that konqueror right now simply often doesn't work :( [19:41] <wstephenson> "write a browser switch plasmoid and put it on the desktop"? [19:41] <rabauke> would it be possible to only have firefox as default if it is a fresh install? [19:41] <Beineri> bitshuffler: it is in menu favorites. just panel icon is konqueror [19:41] <wstephenson> hi rabauke [19:41] <Seli> wstephenson: release notes should be enough [19:42] <rabauke> hi [19:42] <bitshuffler> Beineri: then it should be fine / easy to find & use for ppl imho. [19:42] <remur_030> Seli: yeah I know, I am using firefox as well most of the time, still this doesn't look great =/ [19:42] <wstephenson> Seli: i think a lot of people aren't patient enough to read those or find the html mimetype associations [19:42] <Beineri> rabauke: konqueror is needed for sysinfo, and other parts [19:42] <Seli> wstephenson: the greeter then? [19:42] <remur_030> totally dropping konqueror sounds like dropping vi... [19:42] <Beineri> rabauke: like "File Size View" :-) [19:42] <remur_030> (from livecd image / default install that is) [19:42] <rabauke> what I mean is, if I update from 11.1 to 11.2, firefox should not be default. if I do a fresh install, it should. [19:43] <wstephenson> remur_030: it's not a total drop, it's still installed by default [19:43] <Seli> rabauke: that's maybe doable, not sure [19:43] <remur_030> Seli: ? an update shouldn't touch the user directories anyways [19:43] <wstephenson> remur_030: unless the user never customised text/html, and has relied on the system kde default of konq.... [19:44] <bitshuffler> rabauke: konqui is still great as file manager os dropping it is a no go imho [19:44] <Seli> wstephenson: this is not about text/html, there is a default browser setting [19:44] <remur_030> wstephenson: that was intendet to rabaukes "only firefox in fresh install" [19:44] <remur_030> *inteded [19:44] <remur_030> jesus [19:44] <rabauke> I'm not talking about dropping. I'm just talking about keeping the default when updating. [19:45] <wstephenson> rabauke: right, it's worth investigating [19:45] <Seli> konqueror will stay either way, and we should aim for it to be the default again for 11.3 [19:45] <bitshuffler> oh, sry then. imho set defaults shouldn't be touched. [19:45] <Seli> I hope there are no questions about that [19:45] <Seli> the question is only what is the default browser and the icon in the panel [19:46] <remur_030> that should be communicated to the rest of the kde world as well then, switching off konq as default browser sure isn't making opensuse more popular as kde distribution [19:46] <rabauke> we could add "how to change back to konq as default browser" to the help.opensuse.org site and the KDE/KDE4 page. [19:46] <Seli> or does somebody see something more that is questionable? [19:46] <Beineri> panel icon change is less intrusive and obvious imo and easy to change for people [19:46] <Seli> rabauke: of course [19:47] <Beineri> s/less/little/ [19:47] <Seli> Beineri: I don't see why switching the browser default in systemsettings is more complicated than changing plasma icon [19:47] <rabauke> we could also put konq into the favourites tab. that way it is easily addable to the panel. [19:47] <Seli> remur_030: I think some other KDE distros default to Firefox too - I can check tomorrow at work [19:48] <javier_> i would prefer having konqueror (webkit) as the default browser [19:48] <javier_> yes, Mandriva ships with FF as the default browser [19:48] <Seli> javier_: too broken for the time being [19:48] <javier_> well, sometimes it helps to have it [19:48] <wstephenson> javier_: use it for 24 hours and tell us if you still think that [19:49] <javier_> wstephenson: ok [19:49] <wstephenson> next item then? [19:49] <Beineri> ok [19:49] <alin> wstephenson for all workk issues I use konqueror [19:49] <alin> is fine [19:49] <Seli> wstephenson: can we have a conclusion first? [19:49] <rabauke> webkit is really slow when scrolling. [19:49] <javier_> i haven't used it a lot, i only use it when khtml doesn't work [19:49] <Seli> wstephenson: even if it's "postponed until next time" [19:49] <wstephenson> ok, who is still not in favour of FF by default? [19:49] <rabauke> conclusion is to change the default for fresh installs and put firefox into the panel. [19:49] <wstephenson> dirk, Beineri? [19:50] <javier_> so, is konqueror/webkit going to be installed by default besides konqueror/khtml? [19:50] * Beineri can live with rabauke's suggestion :-) [19:50] <javier_> as i already said, i prefer konqueror [19:50] <wstephenson> my rationale is people with a strong preference for konqi will take the steps to change back [19:51] <rabauke> I would like to have it in the favourites tab for those that want to use it, but I'm not sure if I'm the only one ;) [19:51] <Seli> so firefox always in panel, 11.2 clean install also firefox as default browser, 11.1 update konqueror as the default browser? [19:51] <wstephenson> +1 [19:51] <wstephenson> 11.3 maybe/ [19:51] <javier_> what's the status of firefox/qt? [19:51] <alin> wstephenson every time when I have to use ff I feel a little bit sad [19:51] <remur_030> sounds most reasonable [19:51] <remur_030> javier_: dead [19:51] <wstephenson> javier_: already discussed [19:51] <wstephenson> alin: me too [19:51] <javier_> :-( [19:51] <alin> do you want me to get depressed being forced to use it all day [19:52] <remur_030> alin: you can switch back easily [19:52] <rabauke> then let's discuss opera... :p [19:52] <Seli> alin: gee ... nobody is forced [19:52] <remur_030> and you know how to do it [19:52] <wstephenson> alin: and we won't change your existing install anyway [19:52] <javier_> even better, arora ;-) [19:52] <wstephenson> rabauke: i was waiting for someone to start htat [19:52] * wstephenson gives rabauke the closed source pappnase [19:52] <alin> now I have konqueror -> arora -> ff [19:52] <rabauke> alin: if you used konq as default in 11.1 and use your 11.1 .kde4, you will not notice any change. [19:52] <rabauke> wstephenson: I was just kidding. [19:53] <wstephenson> how about IE8 under wine? [19:53] <Seli> anyway, can I sum up? [19:53] <javier_> +1 [19:53] <rabauke> w3m would be a serious suggestion :D [19:53] <javier_> ie8 :D [19:53] <Beineri> wstephenson: then I'm for Ben K. tweeked Ubuntu deb of Chrom! [19:53] <Seli> panel has firefox icon, default browser is firefox [19:53] <alin> wstephenson that is good at least does not claim is the best browser in the world [19:53] <javier_> but seriously, konqui is too much konqui [19:53] <Seli> for 11.1 updates we will try to keep the default [19:53] <rabauke> sounds goof [19:53] <rabauke> good [19:53] <Seli> greeter, release notes and whatnot get instructions on how to switch [19:54] <Seli> agreed? [19:54] <Beineri> new greeter/introduction textis topic anyway on list [19:54] <javier_> so ff as default browser in 11.2? :-'/ [19:54] <alin> no please, have mercy [19:55] <javier_> hehe [19:55] <Seli> alin: that's exactly it, we do have mercy [19:55] <alin> I need to wait 30 s to starts and another 10 to autocomplete url [19:55] <alin> start [19:55] <Beineri> alin: I read that's fixed in 3.5.1 [19:55] <wstephenson> Seli: yes [19:55] <javier_> and sometimes ff eats memory like the cookie monster [19:55] <wstephenson> i know, i know [19:55] <Seli> AI: change browser defaults to firefox for 11.2 (llunak) [19:55] <Beineri> and kitties [19:55] <tittiatcoke> what about the printing bug with glib in FF 3.5 on Factory ? [19:56] <wstephenson> chase it [19:56] <javier_> yes, kitties too xD [19:56] <alin> and it randomly crashes [19:56] <Beineri> file a bug report? [19:56] <Seli> tittiatcoke: not our problem :) [19:56] <Beineri> Seli: +1 [19:56] <tittiatcoke> :-) Ok, [19:56] <Beineri> less "this site doesn't work/crash in konqueror" bug reports in bnc are good :-) [19:56] <Beineri> so, next item? [19:57] <remur_030> yes please [19:57] <Beineri> likely less controversal: "Trash icon/plasmoid in default install (?)" - can we please either dump this idea finally or if really wanted do it quickly? :-) [19:57] <Beineri> how many people do you know that do file management/deletion via drag'n'drop? [19:57] <remur_030> the mac guys love it i heard... [19:57] <Beineri> (and then don't use the trashcan in dolphin sidebar) [19:57] <tittiatcoke> Window's users :-) But I would drop this idea [19:58] * remur_030 goes all the way with shift+del [19:58] <Beineri> read, do file management with plasma dashboard? [19:58] <wstephenson> the bug is 'in panel' [19:58] <Beineri> wstephenson: trashcan on dashboard is even more useless imo [19:58] <tittiatcoke> +1 [19:58] <wstephenson> 1 dupe, 0 votes [19:58] <wstephenson> i don't think it's worth it [19:59] <Beineri> me neither, who wants it can add it himself [19:59] <javier_> i don't drag and drop items to the trashcan but like seeing that i have a trashcan available ;-) [19:59] <remur_030> yeah we should have it easy accessible [19:59] <badshah400> trash-can widget on the desktop (not panel) shows the number of items in trash too, useful detail imo [20:00] <wstephenson> trash in Places by default? [20:00] <Beineri> badshah400: for what use case does someone have to know the number of items in the trash? [20:00] <wstephenson> then you can see it when you are doing file management [20:00] <Beineri> wstephenson: it's by default in places sidebar [20:00] <remur_030> wstephenson: oh right [20:00] <badshah400> beineri: clean trash-can only when number of files become too-much :) [20:01] * bitshuffler likes having trash in places [20:01] <wstephenson> summary: keep Trash in Places [20:01] <wstephenson> next [20:01] <javier_> +1 [20:01] <badshah400> also the trash-can widget allows one to control the amount of disk-space reserved for deleted items [20:01] <remur_030> /s/keep Trash in Places/do nothing [20:01] <remur_030> =) [20:01] <wstephenson> next: shortcuts for multimedia buttons [20:02] <Beineri> badshah400: I'm sure that can be configured somewhere else too [20:02] <remur_030> these are a mess, should work ootb in case hal is set up properly [20:02] <badshah400> beineri: cant seem to find it though, at least not easily [20:02] <Seli> there is a bugreport about this, it should be mostly just adding the shortcuts that are missing [20:02] <bitshuffler> oh I have one. My thumb buttons gets finally supported ootb but are linked to the wrong stuff. That's KDE or general suse? [20:02] <bitshuffler> *buttons of the mouse [20:03] <remur_030> bitshuffler: check if 'xev' reports something useful there [20:03] <wstephenson> remur_030: i think it's about assigning apps like kmail to Xf86Mail by default, i don't think we have that ootb [20:03] <alin> print screen linked to ksnapshot [20:03] <remur_030> ohhhh, well that should be done, isn't that done from upstream yet? [20:03] <bitshuffler> remur_030: it works but isn't linked to alt+left|right but something else so it doesn't work as often as it could [20:04] <smurfslover> good evening [20:04] <wstephenson> hi smurfslover [20:04] <wstephenson> welcome to the meeting [20:04] <remur_030> I'd say the standard assignments should be done, this is important for polish [20:04] <smurfslover> sorry didn't know there was a meeting [20:04] <wstephenson> smurfslover: we're discussing multimedia key defaults from http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Ideas/11.2 [20:04] <smurfslover> cool [20:04] <wstephenson> remur_030: want an AI? [20:05] <remur_030> wstephenson: uh can you ask me next meeting? [20:05] <wstephenson> ok [20:05] <remur_030> for the next 2 weeks clearly not [20:05] <wstephenson> summary: set MM key defaults to sensible choices [20:05] <Seli> hmm, there was a bugreport about the multimedia keys, but I can't find it [20:05] <wstephenson> printer applet? [20:06] <wstephenson> # Install/run printer-applet by default [on DVD] (?) [20:06] <Beineri> sounds more like a bug fix than feature to me (multimedia keys) [20:06] <Beineri> does anyone use printer applet? [20:06] <wstephenson> no, FF crashes on print <rimshot/> [20:06] <Beineri> it might be too big (because of python-kde4) for CD, but could be still installed by default from DVD [20:06] <javier_> printer applet? i didn't know there was one [20:06] <wstephenson> why not :) [20:07] <Beineri> javier_: afaik it only shows up when there is a printing job or if you start it with special paramter (otherwise it just uses memory ;-) [20:07] <remur_030> what's it supposed to do, finally provide the options missing from 3.5? [20:07] <remur_030> oh [20:07] <javier_> ahh i don't know why i was thinking of a printer plasmoid [20:07] <Beineri> printer-applet --show [20:07] <remur_030> so it's more or less showing the printer spool? [20:08] <Beineri> remur_030: yes [20:08] <remur_030> +1 for dvd [20:09] <javier_> I prefer installing from a dvd [20:09] <Seli> I can't find the damn bugreport, so I made a new one - bug #524734 [20:09] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 524734 in openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) "multimedia keys should have default assignments" [Enhancement,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/524734 [20:09] <Beineri> javier_: how do you know it exists then? [20:09] <bugbot> New openSUSE 11.2 (KDE4 Workspace) bug 524734 filed by llunak@novell.com. [20:09] <bugbot> Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/524734 Enhancement, P5 - None, NEW, multimedia keys should have default assignments [20:09] <Seli> add anything that is currently missing to the bugreport [20:10] <Seli> AI: add missing multimedia key assignments to bug #524734 (everyone) [20:10] <remur_030> Seli: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=371823 ? [20:10] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 371823 in openSUSE 11.0 (KDE4 Workspace) "KDE4: multimedia keys not recognized correctly" [Normal,Closed: upstream] [20:10] <bitshuffler> Seli: Soo, are my mouse's thumb buttons kde specific or general suse? issue is they aren't linked to alt+left|right but something else so they don't work as ofthen as they could. [20:10] <javier_> i mean that i'm used to install from a dvd... i don't know but maybe more packages are installed [20:10] <wstephenson> javier_: they are when you do a dvd install [20:11] <Beineri> or net install [20:11] <javier_> that's what i thought [20:11] <Seli> bitshuffler: I think that is not kde-specific, but I don't know for sure, I've never seen such a mouse myself [20:11] <Beineri> or as recommended package when you update with registered online repo [20:11] <bitshuffler> Seli: well, you are missing the best mouses ever then ;D [20:11] <javier_> so, if you do a update you would end up with same no of packages? [20:11] <Seli> remur_030: that bugreport is something slightly different [20:13] <Beineri> so any conclusion? [20:13] <wstephenson> Beineri: i don't see any opposition to installing it from the dvd [20:13] <javier_> one thing: i think it would be good to have these pop-ups (dialogs?) that you get when you get (for example) when you insert a dvd or cd, with the right choices [20:14] <wstephenson> it's part of kde main modules, its recent, the only reason not to do it is political [20:14] <Beineri> wstephenson: what politics? no python allowed? [20:14] <remur_030> Seli: btw: http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=230168 [20:15] <remur_030> looks like some keys won't work anyway due to Qt [20:16] <wstephenson> remur_030: we've always had that problem, but we can make use of them as Qt adds them [20:16] <wstephenson> or now we can just patch Qt [20:16] <wstephenson> Beineri: NIH politics [20:17] <Beineri> wstephenson: if it's nothing else then I'm happy to take the AI to file a bug report to have it added to DVD patterns [20:17] <wstephenson> AI: Beineri process printer-applet inclusion [20:17] <wstephenson> so, can we bring the meeting to a close? [20:18] <remur_030> wstephenson: I don't really understand, Qt is broken here With the XF86 keycodes, what to do about them? [20:18] <remur_030> uh one last, what about media player? [20:18] <Beineri> on Kopete Facebook support, the required libqjson is a pending submission to Factory. kopete-facebook package should follow after [20:18] <Beineri> javier_: what about Firefox oxygen theme package now? [20:18] <remur_030> last meeting was kinda unconcluded about that other then somebody who wants a real mediaplayer will add packman anyways [20:19] <wstephenson> remur_030: we can contribute a patch to Qt to know those keycodes [20:19] <Beineri> s/theme/skin/ whatever [20:19] <remur_030> wstephenson: aah ok [20:19] <javier_> Beineri: hmm someone said that apachelogger? was gonna take care of it [20:20] <Beineri> javier_: really? did he sign that ;-) [20:20] <Seli> gee, printer-applet is rather a memory hog :-/ [20:20] <javier_> and regarding the plasmanotify, no news yet [20:20] <Beineri> javier_: as said in status section, notifiy package is pending review to factory [20:21] <javier_> ah ok, i didn't check it [20:21] <Beineri> just have to be added once accepted [20:21] <Beineri> just has to be added to kde patterns once accepted [20:21] <javier_> Beineri: firefox in factory has (almost) all oxygen icons [20:21] <javier_> ok, once it's accepted i will try it [20:21] <dirk> Seli: it should be easy to rewrite it in c++ to reduce memory usage. it is just one icon :) [20:21] <Beineri> javier_: so what's missing / that "skin" then? [20:21] <dirk> or at least write the icon in c++ [20:22] <wstephenson> dirk: that's what you said about knetworkmanager ;) [20:22] <Beineri> dirk: you have tomorrow still hackweek day, correct? ;-) [20:22] <dirk> wstephenson: I learned my lesson :) [20:22] <dirk> wstephenson: here it is different though [20:22] <javier_> Beineri: some icons are not oxygen-ish [20:22] <dirk> wstephenson: the only thing the icon does is to open a dialog. it can still do that, and run the dialog in python, no? [20:23] <Beineri> javier_: but that's then something which doesn't have to be fixed with a new package...? [20:23] <dirk> or maybe we can replace the systray icon with an application shortcut on the panel [20:23] <Beineri> dirk: it has to check whether it should show the icon too? [20:23] <dirk> it always shows the icon for me? [20:23] <javier_> Beineri: hmm, i have no idea. i haven't checked it. I can ping apachelogger about it [20:23] <Beineri> dirk: don't start with "--show"? [20:24] <wstephenson> dirk: sure, just messing around [20:24] <Seli> is there still something to discuss for the meeting, or can we close it? [20:24] <Beineri> dirk: autostart.desktop runs it without --show [20:25] <Beineri> Seli: is there still something that requires new package or obvious new version to implement? :-) [20:25] <remur_030> there still is the media player [20:25] <remur_030> kmplayer is still in community [20:25] <rabauke> is liblastfm already available? [20:26] <remur_030> and the deadline for new stuff is next week [20:26] <Beineri> remur_030: keep kaffeine? even Kubuntu is switching back to it [20:26] <remur_030> kde3? [20:26] <javier_> dragonplayer? [20:26] <Beineri> remur_030: kaffeine/kde4 - targetted release 1st august [20:26] <badshah400> no chance of kde4-kaffeine being ready in time? [20:27] <remur_030> Beineri: ah, well then I am fine with kaffeine off course [20:27] <remur_030> of course* [20:27] <remur_030> even if they miss that there should be some time left [20:27] <Beineri> badshah400: why not ready? they want to release 1.0 in one week [20:27] <badshah400> beineri: then it could be a candidate for 11.2, right? [20:28] <bitshuffler> that's what he said ;D [20:28] <Beineri> badshah400: yes [20:28] <wstephenson> summary: keep kaffeine [20:28] <javier_> kaffeine is ok but sometimes i use smplayer [20:28] <badshah400> I could test this kde4-kaffeine for feature completeness, stability, etc. [20:28] <remur_030> what about further community-> factory pushes, do this over ml? [20:28] <Beineri> javier_: and I used today Firefox to view LinuxTag .ogg - so? :-) [20:29] <remur_030> Beineri: 3.5 with the html5 video tags? =) uuuh! [20:29] <javier_> cool [20:29] <Beineri> remur_030: .ogg from local directory [20:29] <badshah400> any mplayer dep. like kmplayer or smplayer would be difficult to include, no? [20:29] <Seli> remur_030: what further pushes? [20:29] <Seli> remur_030: but the list is probably more suitable for that, yes [20:29] <remur_030> Seli: well didn't somebody want choqok in there? [20:29] <bitshuffler> badshah400: well, a castrated mplayer is as useful as that libxine [20:30] <Beineri> remur_030: choqok is already accepted for Factory (not showing up because of some shit atm there) [20:30] <Beineri> and arora is pending review [20:31] <remur_030> Beineri: ah ok, well could somebody send out a last warning mail to -kde? [20:31] <javier_> the issue about arora is kde integration [20:31] <badshah400> one question: will amarok 2.2 be ready for 11.2? cant find detailed roadmap anywhere [20:31] <remur_030> even though I don't see any obvious candidates anymore [20:31] <Beineri> remur_030: you have the AI ;-) [20:31] <remur_030> ah fine [20:31] <Beineri> javier_: which will not happen by us or within one week [20:31] <javier_> what i said it was just a comment [20:32] <javier_> ;-) [20:32] <Beineri> remur_030: rather think about candidates of existing packages for DVD! ;-) [20:32] <rabauke> is amarok 2.2 going to be part of 11.2? [20:32] <remur_030> Beineri: jaja =) [20:32] <Beineri> rabauke: no [20:32] <rabauke> ok, then there is no need for liblastfm yet [20:33] <Beineri> rabauke: or have you seen at least a beta until now? :-) [20:33] <rabauke> I hope exiv2 is up to date, 0.17 is really old. [20:33] <wstephenson> javier_: arora have said there will be no KDE integration, it's pure Qt [20:33] <rabauke> I use svn, so there is no beta for me. [20:33] <Beineri> rabauke: factory has 0.18.1 [20:33] <rabauke> that's old too :) [20:34] <javier_> :-( [20:34] <Beineri> if so see any non-current non-kde packages bug their maintainers update an update :-) [20:34] <Beineri> about an update [20:34] <rabauke> should I file a bug about updating exiv2? [20:35] <Beineri> rabauke: you could try a nice mail first, then bug, then fate, then blog about incopentent package maintainer - somehow in that annoying order ;-) [20:35] <rabauke> :) [20:36] <wstephenson> oh and post annoying mails on -project [20:36] <wstephenson> cross posted to -factory [20:36] <remur_030> hehe [20:37] <bitshuffler> Beineri: sry, but where can I change to webkit? I have kde4-webkitpart installed, run latest from K:K:F:D and dig through every konqui menu but still totally fail to find it. [20:37] <rabauke> view menu [20:37] <bitshuffler> s/dig/dug/ [20:37] <wstephenson> View->View Mode [20:37] <bitshuffler> there is no "View Mode" in the View menu [20:38] <Beineri> bitshuffler: visit a web page [20:38] <rabauke> it changes back quite frequently. [20:38] <rabauke> no idea why. [20:38] <rabauke> anything else for the meeting? [20:38] <bitshuffler> heh, the "visit a web page" did it :D Thanks :) [20:38] <Beineri> rabauke: no, I think everythink else not mentioned from the list is very unlikely to happen for 11.2 [20:39] <badshah400> one last thing: mozilla-xulrunner-gnomevfs was missing from the 11.1 KDE4 live-cd, hope it will be there in 11.2 [20:39] <Beineri> badshah400: has too large depencencies iirc [20:39] <remur_030> badshah400: what makes this important? [20:39] <alin> badshah400: kde4 live cd gnome crap do you see the problem? [20:40] <badshah400> firefox does not handle one-click-installs automatically wihout this [20:40] <badshah400> yes, i understand [20:41] <remur_030> badshah400: oh, well missing 1click installs isn't nesecarily a bad thing [20:42] <badshah400> remur_030: makes life easier for newbie, but i can see why it is so difficult to have on the livecd now. [20:43] <remur_030> badshah400: actually alot of people coming to the irc channels have problems related to 1click install because they never learned proper repo handling [20:44] <Seli> wstephenson: is the meeting still going on, or can we wrap it up? [20:44] <rabauke> end it. [20:44] <wstephenson> Seli: finally [20:45] <wstephenson> i had to get some food to avoid collapsing [20:45] <wstephenson> any Q&A left? [20:47] <rabauke> back in a sec [20:48] <remur_030> wstephenson: looks like it's over =) [20:49] <wstephenson> ok, thank you everyone for contributing :)