KDE/Meetings/2009 06 25-transcript

[Do Jun 25 2009] [18:07:41] <Seli> meeting [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:07:47] <Seli> agenda: [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:13] <Seli> * old action items [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:15] <Seli> * status report [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:16] <Seli> * Factory opening, package requests [https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512631] [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:18] <Seli> * Suggestion: add the [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/12196 Plasma Notify Firefox Add-on] to the default KDE/openSUSE 11.2 install. [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:19] <Seli> * Suggestion: "Show space information" enabled by default on Dolphin/openSUSE 11.2. [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:20] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 512631 in openSUSE 11.1 (KDE4 Applications) "okular: missing epub support" [Normal,New] [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:21] <Seli> * Akademy plans/preparations [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:22] <Seli> * Cross-distribution packaging of KDE applications [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:24] <Seli> * Time of next meeting [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:25] <Seli> * Q&A, misc [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:08:43] <Seli> * old action items [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:03] <Seli> - add packaging guideline for kde4 packages (wstephenson) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:36] <remur_030> not here, he is on linuxtag (and hopefully having a good time) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:53] <Seli> not here, assuming no progress [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:53] <Seli> - figure out license repo dialogs and other ways how to notify the users about our bug reports policy (wstephenson) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:53] <Seli> dtto [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:53] <Seli> - put together a howto for cross distribution packaging of kde applications (bittin`) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:53] <Seli> bittin`: any progress? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:09:55] <remur_030> unknown or assume not done? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:10:12] <wstephenson> ^ dialogs and BR policy - not done [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:10:15] <Seli> it's a topic for discussion for today [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:10:51] <Seli> - post your favorite screenshots (as proposals for 11.2 defaults) for each topic here KDE/Meetings/CommunityWeek2009/DefaultDesktop11_2 (everyone) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:11:07] <Seli> I don't see any difference [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:11:16] <Seli> - drop katalog, hk_classes, knoda from 11.2 (llunak) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:11:22] <Seli> requests pending [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:11:31] <Seli> - find out about branding, upstream vs openSUSE (wstephenson) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:11:55] <wstephenson> i haven't done it yet [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:12:09] <Seli> remur_030: btw, it's much simpler to do the minutes if you do them now on the fly [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:12:27] <remur_030> Seli: yes I took your old ones and modify them [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:12:28] <Seli> end of action items [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:12:37] <Seli> * status report [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:12:59] <Seli> Factory has publish disabled, dirk is putting 4.3rc1 there [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:13:31] <Seli> anything else interesting to note? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:13:40] <remur_030> 4.4 moving into UNSTABLE [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:13:52] <wstephenson> i'm busy with knetworkmanager [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:01] <Seli> right ... this is a good time to switch away from UNSTABLE unless you really want unstable :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:12] <Beineri_> many kde4- prefixes of application packages are gone [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:47] <Seli> ok [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:52] <remur_030> good [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:54] <Seli> * Factory opening, package requests [https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512631] [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:58] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 512631 in openSUSE 11.1 (KDE4 Applications) "okular: missing epub support" [Normal,New] [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:14:59] <Beineri_> submitreqs pendings (I guess) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:15:00] <javier_> somebody said in the ml that there's no epub support in okular [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:15:15] <remur_030> javier_: coming up later [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:15:24] <remur_030> whops [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:15:28] <Seli> I don't quite understand this item, whose is this? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:15:32] <remur_030> no comming up now =) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:15:47] <javier_> i see :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:16:03] <remur_030> Seli: yeah, epub is missing in okular, and factory has been opened, so it's a good time to decide how to organize new submisions [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:16:09] <remur_030> ah it's mine [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:16:37] <Seli> oh, that [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:17:03] <Seli> KDE:KDE4 is for stuff that is also in Factory [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:17:22] <remur_030> so, any plans for that? I think some stuff from community would be good in main, or at least contrib [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:17:34] <remur_030> anybody followed the contrib discussion? is it going to stay or not? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:17:34] <Seli> Playground or similar are entirely maintained by the community, so if something wants into the distribution, it has to go to KDE:KDE4 first (like was the case with kradio this week) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:17:53] <Seli> I have no idea about contrib [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:18:58] <Seli> for this specific bugreport, just do a submitreq for it, if it requires any new package, submitreq that package for KDE:KDE4 (and it's better to first asking about that on the list) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:19:34] <remur_030> Seli: i did, noone responded [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:20:23] <remur_030> well, discussions about new submitreq. to KDE:KDE4 on the list then? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:20:29] <Seli> remur_030: oh, ok - I'll have a look at it later then [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:20:42] <Seli> remur_030: yes, that's what I meant - but your mail is basically it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:21:22] <Seli> something more for this topic? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:21:46] <remur_030> don't think so [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:22:19] <Seli> remur_030: I'll have a look at the mail, but I think the answer should be yes [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:22:28] <Seli> * Suggestion: add the [https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/12196 Plasma Notify Firefox Add-on] to the default KDE/openSUSE 11.2 install. [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:04] <javier_> I have been testing that add on, and it works ok so far [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:14] <cb400f> will it cause probs for gnomers? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:21] <Seli> gee, I thought I changed the link to /en/ to make it readable for the rest of us too [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:27] <javier_> hmm, i don't know [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:29] <cb400f> can we also ship the FF oxygen skin? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:52] <Beineri> cb400f: poke wolfiR :-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:23:56] <Seli> javier_: is that your suggestion? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:00] <javier_> yes [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:06] <Seli> is it already packaged somewhere? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:18] <javier_> i don't know [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:24] <javier_> it's developed by ademmer [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:44] <Seli> javier_: you need to say "I'll do" :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:45] <javier_> i could talk with him later on [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:24:46] <cb400f> I tested it very briefly and seemed to work well [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:25:11] <javier_> i'll do it :-P [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:25:13] <cb400f> have it installed on both machines... but very rarely use FF enough to get notifications [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:25:29] <Seli> it looks ok to me to include it, assuming it fulfills the basics (like working) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:26:01] <javier_> the main point of including it it's to make firefox more "kde-friendly" [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:26:38] <Seli> I'd suggest to make sure it's packaged somewhere, so that we can have a better look, and then it'll me just a matter of pushing it further [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:26:45] <Seli> javier_: can you take care of that? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:26:55] <javier_> sure [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:27:32] <Seli> AI: make sure plasma notify firefox add-on and Firefox Oxygen skin are packaged, for evalution of inclusion (javier_) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:28:01] <Seli> next topic [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:28:02] <Seli> * Suggestion: "Show space information" enabled by default on Dolphin/openSUSE 11.2 [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:28:24] <cb400f> javier_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7962 :-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:28:51] <Seli> what is 'show space information'? how do I get it? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:28:53] <javier_> cb400f: i will take a look at it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:29:12] <remur_030> Seli: maybe the space running low popup? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:29:13] <javier_> Seli: it's not enabled by default on 4.2.4 [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:29:25] <Beineri> it's in the status bur [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:29:30] <Beineri> bar [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:29:43] <cb400f> if it were possible to make FF use the kde file dialog via an extension, it would almost become an interesting browser :-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:29:57] <cb400f> .. and kget.. and kmplayer.. and kwallet.. and... ;-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:30:04] <javier_> setting -> configure dolphin -> general -> show space information [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:30:17] <remur_030> cb400f: +1, then even gtk would be bareable [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:30:26] <javier_> cb400f: +1 [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:30:50] <remur_030> So what about the suggestion now? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:31:05] <Seli> any opinion on this? I wonder why it's not enabled by default in upstream [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:31:15] <javier_> Beineri: maybe it was me... i upgraded kde and it wasn't enabled by default... maybe it was me [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:31:25] <javier_> oops [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:31:33] * Beineri meant 'it's in the status bar once enabled' [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:31:44] <javier_> ah ok [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:32:05] <Seli> oh, I forgot: [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:32:15] <remur_030> it was off for me as well, never changed it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:32:25] <Seli> AI: check what is needed for epub support in okular (llunak) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:32:25] <remur_030> pretty handy i'd say [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:32:48] <javier_> i think it's useful [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:32:56] <Seli> I don't use dolphin myself, but I think it's nice for default - anybody who'd find out why it's not enabled by default in upstream? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:33:11] <javier_> Seli: I could do it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:33:22] <Seli> great [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:33:45] <Seli> AI: find out why 'show space information' in dolphin is not enabled by default in upstream (javier_) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:34:24] <Seli> if they don't and there's no technical problem, we'll enable it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:34:32] <Seli> * Akademy plans/preparations [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:34:34] <javier_> ok [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:34:35] <Seli> who's going? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:35:12] <Seli> will and me are going, somebody else? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:35:29] <Beineri> dunno [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:36:05] <Seli> ok, then we need to kidnap some people there and force them to switch >:) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:36:26] <Seli> which is kind of part of the plan, minus using the force [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:36:51] <Seli> any special ideas or requests from people who don't go? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:37:27] <remur_030> have a lot of fun [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:37:56] <Seli> thanks, if there will be time :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:38:04] <Seli> let's skip to a related topic [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:38:05] <Seli> * Time of next meeting [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:38:36] <Seli> next meeting should be 9th July, and I'm still at akademy, and Will too [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:39:03] <Seli> and I'm not sure if we will be able to attend [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:39:27] <wstephenson> i'll be here [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:39:29] <remur_030> Seli: why not delay a full week? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:39:51] <Seli> wstephenson: that's the time you're leaving, isn't it? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:40:04] <wstephenson> Seli: i'm leaving the day after [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:40:43] <Seli> wstephenson: so no problem, we do the meeting? I think there is some event at that time, too [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:40:55] <wstephenson> so i dunno, it might be good to have a meeting chair and minutes person chosen who is not us [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:40:58] <wstephenson> in case we are busy [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:41:12] <wstephenson> oh the "touristic event" [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:41:14] <wstephenson> you're right [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:41:19] <Seli> or, maybe let me ask differently: if neither me nor will turn up, will you be able to run a meeting without us pushing you :) ? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:41:41] <cb400f> some form of meeting I guess ;-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:42:02] * wstephenson will bring a straw donkey back to reward the participants [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:42:06] <javier_> cb400f: the oxygen add-on is not compatible (yet) with ff 3.5 :( [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:42:18] <Seli> ok ... so I suggest cb400f gets the AI of pushing somebody into doing the meeting :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:42:21] <cb400f> hmm.. we need to poke apachelogger then :-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:42:36] <Seli> but ok, let's schedule the meeting normally then [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:42:58] <Seli> next topic [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:43:00] <Seli> * Cross-distribution packaging of KDE applications [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:43:19] <Seli> that's mine, it's related to the old AI for bittin` , too bad he's not here [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:43:46] <Seli> I have by now packaged few simple KDE things in home:llunak:kde [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:44:13] <Seli> strangely enough, after some effort they work on mandriva, fedora and ubuntu too (mostly, it's still a bit rough here and there) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:44:28] <Seli> so it looks doable [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:44:46] <Seli> I can clean it up, write howtos etc. [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:45:24] <Seli> is somebody interested in trying that, or helping with it? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:45:50] <Seli> also, do you think I should announce it at least in my blog now, when it still doesn't work very well, or should I keep it until it's fully ready? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:46:35] <javier_> if I were you, I would blog about it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:46:36] <rabauke> Seli: I missed the text before "is somebody interested...". could you post that again? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:47:00] <Seli> !paste [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:47:00] <SUSEhelp> Please don't paste more than 3 lines in the channel; instead, use one of http://pastebin.be or http://pastie.org/ -- for pics, use http://picpaste.com [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:47:27] <Seli> http://pastebin.be/19417 [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:47:36] <rabauke> thanks [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:47:39] <remur_030> Seli: checking kwin-nitrogen it looks quite clean [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:47:56] <remur_030> though it failed on mandriva [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:48:04] <Seli> remur_030: the plan is to have a way to do just one .spec that build on all, that will need adjusting our macros though [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:48:26] <Seli> well, minus kubuntu, as their packaging system is completely different :-/ [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:48:38] <remur_030> doesn't the debs need something more? I think there is a cross-distribution thing on the wiki [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:49:11] <remur_030> what makes kubuntu packaging different from ubuntu? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:49:11] <Seli> the information in the opensuse wiki about this is quite poor, I had to do some research myself [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:49:24] <Seli> not ubuntu, different from rpm [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:50:01] <Seli> I can do one .spec for all rpm distros, but ubuntu needs special handling on its own [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:50:25] <remur_030> Seli: well the .spec file looks quite clean, maybe go for it first and try to find some interested deb packager? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:50:26] <Seli> wstephenson: I think you were writting a tool for helping with packaging stuff, weren't you? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:50:59] <wstephenson> Seli: for backporting svn revisions as patches into a specfile, yes [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:51:14] <Seli> ah, so nothing that could help here, ok [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:51:31] <Seli> anyway, that's all for this topic, unless there are questions [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:51:47] <wstephenson> it is quite limited in scope, but of course if someone wants to write a kdevplatform based openSUSE Package Warrior, i'm all for it :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:52:06] <Seli> I probably won't make it fully ready for akademy unfortunately, but we can try to tell people about this anyway [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:52:09] <remur_030> Seli: well how much further could you push this, maybe really try to find somebody from kde-apps? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:52:12] <wstephenson> Beineri: stealth project for you maybe? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:52:28] <remur_030> i suck at packaging, but the idea sounds very nice [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:52:53] <remur_030> Seli: ah i remember a mail on -factory who wanted to do the same, drop him a mail [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:53:00] <rabauke> blogging would certainly increase the chances of finding testers+co-devs [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:53:09] <Seli> remur_030: do you know any details? I don't remember that [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:53:39] <remur_030> Seli: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-06/msg00342.html [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:53:55] <remur_030> skip the praise for the app, he was here yesterday asking about the buildservice and how to use it [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:54:04] <Seli> the plan for now is I pre-announce on my blog, start writing howtos in the wiki, see if there are other people interested, especially if they could help with .deb [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:54:05] <remur_030> he mainly knows debian packaging he said [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:54:14] <Seli> oh, great [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:54:56] <Seli> next topic then [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:04] <Seli> ENOTOPIC [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:11] <remur_030> AI: blog about it? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:13] <Beineri> party time ;-) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:14] <Seli> ok ... that's all, now the last one [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:19] <Seli> * Q&A, misc [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:36] <Seli> remur_030: I won't forget this one :) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:55:55] <neevarp> Seli: do opensuse cds and dvd use on-the-fly decompression? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:56:08] <remur_030> Seli: oki =) [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:56:40] <Seli> neevarp: I don't know what you mean [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:57:52] <neevarp> ok i will get back about this topic in next meeting [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:58:01] <rabauke> There were users that complained about kde-admins stuff not working. I think I had that too at some point because the files that it would need to edit are in /etc, yet it used those in /usr. does somebody know anything about that, i.e. should it work, if one uses kde-admin to change kdm settings? [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:58:17] <Seli> neevarp: you can even now, but I don't understand what you mean or how is it relevant to kde [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:59:05] <neevarp> if on-the-fly decompression is used then a lot more software can be had on opensuse kde cd [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:59:15] <Seli> rabauke: what is 'kde-admin', some app? there is a bug about systemsettings kdm module conflicting with sysconfig, that's a know issue [Do Jun 25 2009] [18:59:44] <Seli> Beineri has just left, but I think the cds are compressed, it would make sense [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:00:16] <Seli> but that's really more of a buildsystem question than kde [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:00:25] <rabauke> Seli: I mean the kcm modules that allow you to edit the settings for kdm as root. [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:00:44] <remur_030> rabauke: upstream wants to do this with packagekit [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:00:53] <remur_030> not done before 4.4 though [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:01:05] <Seli> bug #267903 [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:01:09] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 267903 in openSUSE 11.1 (KDE4 Workspace) "KDM kcm module conflicts with /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager settings" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/267903 [Do Jun 25 2009] [19:02:05] <Seli> ok, if there are no more topics, meeting is over