KDE/Meetings/2008 04 30-transcript

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[20:04:24] Emne	dirk sætter kanalemnet til "Welcome to the openSUSE KDE Team meeting!".
[20:04:36] <dirk>	* old action items
[20:04:40] <dirk>	* status
[20:04:57] <dirk>	* artwork stuff (Seli's topic if he's around)
[20:04:59] <dirk>	* misc
[20:05:57] <dirk>	anything else?
[20:06:21] <rabauke>	*misc is everything else, is it not? 
[20:06:30] <wstephenson>	'.*'
[20:06:45] <dirk>	rabauke: everything not worth a topic on its own :)
[20:06:48] <dirk>	okay, I guess not..
[20:06:50] <dirk>	soo..
[20:07:00] <dirk>	http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings/20080416
[20:07:06] <dirk>	* Improve kde building guide (bille)
[20:07:19] <rabauke>	functionality from kde3 that is still missing in kde4 is my misc. :)
[20:07:26] <wstephenson>	dirk: done, finally
[20:07:35] <wstephenson>	has anyone used it?
[20:07:37] <dirk>	wstephenson: mention the url, perhaps?
[20:07:49] <wstephenson>	rabauke: there are some scripts that might help you
[20:07:54] <dirk>	wstephenson: there were people complaining that it mentions akonadi package, which doesn't exist iirc
[20:08:09] <wstephenson>	http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3403
[20:08:16] <wstephenson>	ok
[20:08:17] <rabauke>	wstephenson: for me kde trunk never finds "samba" although those packages are installed.
[20:08:34] <wstephenson>	rabauke: on factory?
[20:08:37] <Beineri>	it was also mentioned in openSUSE Weekly News
[20:08:48] <rabauke>	wstephenson: 10.3
[20:08:56] <wstephenson>	ok, i'll check that.
[20:09:48] <dirk>	rabauke: libsmbclient-devel installed?
[20:09:54] <rabauke>	dirk: yes
[20:10:06] <dirk>	* add packaging guideline for kde4 packages
[20:10:33] <dirk>	rabauke: you can inspire yourself from KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Desktop/kdebase4/kdebase4.spec, section buildrequires
[20:10:51] <rabauke>	libsmbclient-devel-3.0.26a-3.5 and I also tried to delete the CMAkeCache
[20:11:17] <dirk>	has anyone spent time on writing updating the packaging cookbook for kde4?
[20:12:02] <wstephenson>	no
[20:12:12] <dirk>	I've written a rpmlint checker for getting the library package dependencies right
[20:12:31] <dirk>	I submitted it too late though, so we'll not see results before next week
[20:12:54] <dirk>	it needs some additions for akonadi, but that is yet to be sorted out
[20:13:08] <dirk>	* talk to zonker/announce bug day (beineri)
[20:13:41] <Beineri>	well, did not happen. watched the yast bug day a bit and participation wasn't that good mo
[20:13:59] <Beineri>	dunno if it makes sense for kde to have one now...
[20:14:24] <dirk>	I didn't follow it.. what ws the goal of the yast2 bug day?
[20:14:25] <Beineri>	makes imo most sense some time going through old kde3 bugs if they still apply to kde4 and afterwards close all others
[20:14:38] <Beineri>	dirk: cleaning old yast bugs of 10.x
[20:14:53] <dirk>	I would think it is a good idea to tag bugs that we should fix for 11.0, and get rid of others.. to make sure that everyone knows what needs to be done
[20:14:55] <Beineri>	tested against Beta 1
[20:15:02] <dirk>	our current > 300 open bugreports is too much to keep track
[20:15:33] <wstephenson>	good idea
[20:15:39] 	 * Beineri thinks from the current KDE4 bug reports most are still valid, so only screening the larger amount of kde3 bugs makes sense
[20:15:52] <dirk>	I agree
[20:16:08] <dirk>	I've also not found many bugreports where upgrading to 4.1 codebase would fix anything
[20:16:12] <Beineri>	the question is, against what version to test - must that be pre-release?
[20:17:50] <dirk>	I don't get the question
[20:18:03] <dirk>	you mean we should do the kde3 bugscreening after 11.0 goldmaster?
[20:19:40] 	 * dirk assumes that Beineri is offline and continues..
[20:19:50] <dirk>	* announce new round of kdepim packages (bille)
[20:19:52] <rabauke>	sheep alarm!
[20:19:53] <wstephenson>	maybe he went into a tunnel
[20:20:04] <wstephenson>	TBD, i'll do that tomorrow.
[20:20:26] <wstephenson>	i f'ing hate firefox's close-widget-on-tabs, can that be changed?
[20:20:26] <dirk>	which packages do you want to announce then? :) the current ones fail to build again ;(
[20:20:35] <wstephenson>	i'll fix them then announce them then.
[20:20:41] <dirk>	* backport spellchecker stuff for kdepim41 (llunak)
[20:20:43] 	 * wstephenson reopens RPM
[20:20:46] <wstephenson>	RTM
[20:22:13] <dirk>	afaik lubos was busy with other stuff, and it seems nobody missed spellchecking in kmail yet
[20:22:25] <dirk>	I guess it goes in line with the other bugreport about spellchecking being entirely broken anyway
[20:22:36] <dirk>	* wiki page for KDE4 testing (bille)
[20:22:43] <wstephenson>	not done yet
[20:22:50] <wstephenson>	maybe this weekend...
[20:22:55] <dirk>	* status
[20:23:28] <dirk>	quite some fixes missed beta2, so it will again not be as usable as it could be
[20:23:41] <rabauke>	I miss sonnet...
[20:23:50] <dirk>	I would like to recomment to anyone to add the KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop repository
[20:23:58] <dirk>	and update from that
[20:24:11] <rabauke>	does the installer of the live cd work?
[20:24:32] <dirk>	as far as I know it doesn't, but there is still a day left ;)
[20:24:40] <dirk>	well, it does except for a few cases
[20:24:53] <dirk>	checkin deadline was monday, they spent the whole week on trying to get something
[20:25:14] <dirk>	there were ~ 860 checkins for beta2
[20:25:45] <dirk>	~ 140 kde
[20:25:58] <dirk>	Beineri did quite some last-minute version updates
[20:26:59] <dirk>	and fixed ~ 20 bugreports against plasma for beta2
[20:28:07] <dirk>	incoming bugrate is bigger than bug-fixing rate though
[20:29:18] <wstephenson>	any more status?
[20:29:38] <dirk>	anything you might want to add? :)
[20:30:06] <dirk>	Beineri:
[20:30:11] <wstephenson>	uh, akonadi is split out of kde core for cross-desktop-ability (maybe someone didn't know that)
[20:30:27] <dirk>	[20:16] <Beineri> the question is, against what version to test - must that be pre-release?
[20:30:27] <dirk>	[20:17] <dirk> I don't get the question
[20:30:27] <dirk>	[20:18] <dirk> you mean we should do the kde3 bugscreening after 11.0 goldmaster?
[20:30:46] <Beineri>	dirk: yeah
[20:31:09] <dirk>	Beineri: well, I don't really want to do online updates for 11.0 and kde3 unless I have to :)
[20:31:13] <dirk>	Beineri: but you're right..
[20:31:14] <Beineri>	small status about desktop selection in beta2: 
[20:31:44] <yaloki>	Beineri: thanks for the screenshot
[20:32:01] <wstephenson>	i even like the distinction between the two kde icons now.
[20:32:12] <rabauke>	looks better
[20:32:16] <yaloki>	yep
[20:32:37] <Beineri>	and the last two are the branding for kdm and the splash, the desktop didn't change from Beta 1 :-)
[20:33:16] <Beineri>	the look didn't change, of course many bugs are gone!
[20:34:43] <Beineri>	next point (or am I lost again)?
[20:34:51] <rabauke>	not lost
[20:34:58] <yaloki>	we definitely have the sexiest installer ^^
[20:35:00] <dirk>	I'm thinking: should we discuss the artwork issue
[20:35:27] <dirk>	seli brought this up yesterday.. he was thinking that the window demandsattention notification looks really bad
[20:35:27] <rabauke>	you mean the colour for the windeco?
[20:35:45] <dirk>	the aya theme seems to have introduced it.. it is essentially invisible now
[20:35:48] <wstephenson>	taskbar flash in plasma?
[20:35:52] <dirk>	the question was how should we fix it
[20:36:04] <rabauke>	make it red
[20:36:15] <dirk>	make a smooth blending animation (like e.g. that other desktop :) ) or something else.. ?
[20:36:17] <Beineri>	look how "default" does it and copy that part to aya? :-)
[20:36:35] <dirk>	Beineri: default highlights, thats why it can't be seen ;)
[20:36:52] <dirk>	rabauke: why? it should still be unintrusive
[20:37:08] <dirk>	anyway, as he isn't here, I don't really know his suggestion
[20:37:14] <rabauke>	you mean tasks, right?
[20:37:40] <dirk>	rabauke: yep.. whenever a window requires input for example, or has something interesting to show (e.g. new message in kopete)
[20:38:00] <dirk>	or konversation and somebody is talking to you
[20:38:38] <rabauke>	if not the default plasma theme, there is one that has a redish shine on those that demand attention. if you look at the default plasma theme's active white shade, that shade in red should not be that bad.
[20:38:49] <rabauke>	not compared to the blue of the windeco anyway.
[20:39:13] <lontra>	Beineri: when you had the hp mini-note were you able to adjust brightness?
[20:39:24] <wstephenson>	lontra: /topic
[20:39:52] <lontra>	wstephenson: sorry ... i didn't it in the wrong channel again ..
[20:40:13] <dirk>	rabauke: what do you dislike about the blue? :)
[20:40:43] <rabauke>	I like blue!
[20:40:58] <rabauke>	if it fits
[20:40:58] <wstephenson>	i think demandsattention should turn the taskbar entry the same colour as the active window border.
[20:41:02] <lontra>	might i add that the kdm4 userlist default icon is uber ugly in 11.0
[20:41:41] 	 * rabauke gives a ü to lontra
[20:43:32] <rabauke>	next
[20:43:42] <dirk>	* misc
[20:43:53] <dirk>	lontra: isn't it the same as with kde3?
[20:43:58] <dirk>	lontra: is there a better one?
[20:44:53] 	 * dirk boots a 10.3
[20:45:03] <lontra>	dirk: maybe it's the same ... i just have kde4 installed on 11 but it's different than the 10.3 userlist icon ...which is much nicer
[20:45:15] <rabauke>	how important do you think it is to have the mount-options for removeable devices in kde4?
[20:45:52] <dirk>	lontra: if its different from the kde3 one then thats definitely a bug
[20:46:07] <rabauke>	you mean that grey head?
[20:46:13] <dirk>	yep
[20:46:29] <wstephenson>	rabauke: are you talking about the bug to choose what to do on mounting a device?
[20:46:38] <rabauke>	I never understood why it is still used, it surely does look ugly.
[20:46:49] <rabauke>	wstephenson: yes
[20:46:52] <dirk>	rabauke: is there a better one?
[20:47:14] <rabauke>	dirk: I'll search one and if not, request one at #oxygen
[20:47:51] <lontra>	dirk: yeah it's different than 10.3 for sure ... it's the ugly kubuntu uses
[20:48:14] <dirk>	
[20:48:27] <dirk>	thats how it should look like
[20:48:28] <dirk>	everything else is a bug
[20:48:38] <lontra>	oh ... that's different than 10.3
[20:49:16] <lontra>	that's what it looks like here but it's pretty ugly compared with the rest of the beautiful artwork
[20:49:36] <wstephenson>	allegedly that's what ken wimer looks like, without the makeup ;)
[20:49:57] <dirk>	lontra: okay
[20:50:30] <dirk>	lontra: share your concerns in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=369319
[20:50:34] <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 369319 in openSUSE 11.0 (KDE4 Workspace) "create KDM theme for 11.0" [Major,Reopened]
[20:50:53] <rabauke>	yast-files looks better
[20:50:54] <dirk>	anything else?
[20:51:11] <rabauke>	or syste-users
[20:51:15] <rabauke>	system-users
[20:51:19] <lontra>	dirk: thanks
[20:51:40] 	 * mrdocs wanders in late and waves
[20:51:53] <mrdocs>	qestion time yet ?
[20:52:03] <dirk>	yes
[20:52:07] <rabauke>	I'm sure they can give you a "preferneces-desktop-user" without the extra bit too.
[20:52:18] <dirk>	rabauke: hmm, I like yast-files, but system-users doesn't match the other artwork imho
[20:52:32] <rabauke>	they are oxygen
[20:53:02] <mrdocs>	my only question is what can we beat up that needs or will need testing ? :)
[20:53:06] <dirk>	preferences-desktop-user looks nice
[20:53:32] <dirk>	my vote would be on that
[20:53:45] 	 * dirk hopes that the extra blue button is a layer that can be removed..)
[20:53:45] <rabauke>	without that "!" though.
[20:54:28] <dirk>	I guess what you're really asking for is integrated webcam support and taking a snapshot of the user  as he types his password ;)
[20:55:03] <rabauke>	that would be something really nifty! almost PS3 style.
[20:55:10] <rabauke>	btw: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377565
[20:55:12] <rabauke>	fixed
[20:55:13] <bugbot>	openSUSE bug 377565 in openSUSE 11.0 (Kernel) "Kernel freeze with live CD" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed]
[20:55:19] <dirk>	mrdocs: any app that we ship and  is in the all of kde selection: check if they still start up.. crash or have other obvious errors
[20:55:33] <mrdocs>	dirk: ok then
[20:55:47] <dirk>	mrdocs: wstephenson is doing the QA job assignments ;)
[20:55:57] <rabauke>	ah, I have a question. How should/can I test the "move kde3 settings to kde4" or is there no such feature?
[20:56:12] <dirk>	mrdocs: I guess we should do that on irc on a specific day or so
[20:56:26] <dirk>	rabauke: launch kde4-migrate, but it is not ready for testing yet
[20:56:33] <dirk>	beta3
[20:56:36] <rabauke>	so I won't launch it ;)
[20:56:41] <wstephenson>	dirk: what i really want for 4.2 is a Wii/Mii style avatar system.
[20:56:49] 	 * lontra apologize for the pun he just made on the kdm theme bug report
[20:56:51] <dirk>	rabauke: it doesn't hurt, it just doesn't do anything :)
[20:56:59] <mrdocs>	is lack of OSD with konversation on kde4 a known bug ?
[20:57:08] <dirk>	mrdocs: already fixed
[20:57:20] <mrdocs>	in factory ? kde 4.1 ?
[20:57:26] <dirk>	konversation in factory
[20:57:31] <dirk>	I think it missed beta2 checkin though
[20:57:35] <dirk>	I submitted it last friday
[20:57:46] <dirk>	ah, no, it is in
[20:58:37] 	 * dirk doesn't really think that a ~ 2.5 year old konversation snapshot is a good default package but he's not the pckage maintainer
[20:58:47] <dirk>	there is a new one in KDE:Playground
[20:58:56] <mrdocs>	hmm
[20:59:58] <dirk>	okay, anyone has a calendar open? two weeks is May 13th, right?
[21:00:14] <wstephenson>	14th
[21:00:37] <dirk>	okay.. see ya.. have a nice weekend :)
[21:00:38] <wstephenson>	i'm about to go, unless anyone needs me
[21:00:42] <wstephenson>	bye, you too.
[21:01:12] Emne	dirk sætter kanalemnet til "The channel for the KDE community in openSUSE | Next meeting: May 14th, 18:00 UTC | http://opensuse.org/KDE4 | http://opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/".