KDE/Meetings/2008 02 27-transcript

[Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:12:30] <wstephenson_> -= MEETING START =- [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:12:36] <wstephenson_> Agenda: [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:12:38] <wstephenson_> 1 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:12:43] <wstephenson_> old action items, status review [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:12:55] <wstephenson_> 2 Fosdem meeting report [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:13:04] <wstephenson_> 3 Call for testing KDEPIM 4.1 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:13:11] <wstephenson_> 4. any other business [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:13:25] <wstephenson_> is everyone happy with that? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:13:49] <Beineri> + General Q/A [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:14:01] <wstephenson_> 5. General Q/A [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:14:16] <wstephenson_> Does anyone have an item for "Any other business"? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:14:41] Part goksin has left this channel. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:12] <apokryphos> which kde for 11.0? :P [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:26] <dirk> kde 3.5.9, coolo told you already ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:29] <apokryphos> though I guess we're in the "wait and see" for that still? 8) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:35] <apokryphos> ohh [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:38] <dirk> but yeah, I would also like to discuss it ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:41] <wstephenson_> apokryphos: general Q/A, back of the line :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:45] <rabauke> qt printing maybe. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:46] <Beineri> apokryphos: rather, "work and see" :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:56] <wstephenson_> ok, we'll come to that in 4. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:15:57] <wstephenson_> so [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:16:09] <wstephenson_> Item the First: Old action items. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:16:31] <wstephenson_> KDE building guide: (me) no progress [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:16:42] <wstephenson_> announce kde bug day for day after beta 1, suggestion 19-20 April (beineri) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:16:51] <Beineri> later :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:17:02] <wstephenson_> ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:17:11] <wstephenson_> script for watching homes for kde apps (dirk) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:17:44] <dirk> no progress yet due to missing buildservice support [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:17:56] <dirk> though I might do a "download all spec files" hack soon [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:17:58] <wstephenson_> any ETA on that support? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:18:11] <dirk> after the next milestone [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:18:55] <wstephenson_> is that "milestone Daffodil"? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:19:42] * wstephenson_ wonders why we didn't give that a good german name like "Milestone Gustav" [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:20:40] <Beineri> (if everyone wonders what wstephenson is talking about: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Roadmap) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:20:45] <wstephenson_> ok - it's "later" [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:20:45] <Beineri> anyone even [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:20:55] <wstephenson_> most likely everyone ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:05] * Beineri had to think also twice [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:15] Quit kiril has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:28] <wstephenson_> next: add packaging guideline for kde4 packages [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:37] <wstephenson_> who is doing that? everyone? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:45] <dirk> wstephenson_: to be honest I don't know exactly, all I know right now is that there is no time to do it now [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:47] <Beineri> it's still unassigned [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:21:54] <wstephenson_> i haven't changed anything there, but it would be a good idea to review it before the packaging day [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:22:14] <Beineri> should be obviously done before Packaging Days :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:22:15] <dirk> it is not about your cookbook though, but about the packaging guidelines [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:22:35] <wstephenson_> ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:22:47] <dirk> I guess it is a matter of filling in the pieces [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:22:56] <wstephenson_> we should plan an hour next week to sit down and see what's missing. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:22:57] <dirk> we should split up this a bit, otherwise it is not getting done anywhen [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:23:14] <dirk> beineri should talk about desktop files and icon stuff [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:23:25] <dirk> I'll do the spec file macros [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:23:34] <wstephenson_> and i'll crack lame jokes. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:23:49] <wstephenson_> ^U make it comprehensible to all. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:08] <wstephenson_> Next up: "discuss with mls what to do with the nsplugins package on x86_64 problem" [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:20] <dirk> fine with me, but it is not suppoed to be a cookbook, just a reference guide [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:22] <Beineri> obsolete [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:26] <dirk> wstephenson_: already solved [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:31] <wstephenson_> thought so. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:41] <wstephenson_> by last weeks' AI: [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:24:47] <wstephenson_> doublecheck and 64bit flash player thing (bille) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:25:00] <wstephenson_> checked by me, change made by coolo [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:25:32] Quit mimosius has left this server ("Konversation terminated!"). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:25:34] <dirk> we have to double check the patterns [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:26:24] <wstephenson_> ok. AI bille: double check the patterns. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:26:58] <wstephenson_> dirk: "announce packaging day in time widely (dirk)" [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:27:06] <dirk> more a job for coolo, but he'll notice it anyway, as I dropped the package ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:28:05] <dirk> wstephenson_: tbd [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:28:53] <wstephenson_> AI: more blogging (all) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:29:20] <wstephenson_> well, douze points dirk & beineri, nul points wstephenson, seli excused. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:29:26] <rabauke> I noticed you guys on plasma and beineri even in #plasma :p [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:29:52] <Beineri> rabauke: oh, so the dispute was loud enough to notice me? ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:30:12] <wstephenson_> Beineri: has aseigo even noticed your sneaky commit yet? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:30:24] <rabauke> no [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:30:38] <rabauke> otherwise his replies on the ml would not make sense [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:30:58] <Beineri> wstephenson_: dunno, nothing sneaky there. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:31:07] * rabauke thinks that kde4 kget sucks [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:31:41] <wstephenson_> i *will* blog or screencast when I get the kickoff layout stuff finalised. ok? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:31:53] <Beineri> do you need permission? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:32:05] <wstephenson_> no, affirmation. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:32:09] <cb400f> permission to wait that long? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:32:12] <wstephenson_> any more old AIs? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:32:54] <wstephenson_> no? ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:33:04] <wstephenson_> Item the 2econd: FOSDEM meeting report [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:33:25] <apokryphos> w00t [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:33:39] <wstephenson_> I thought it was busier than usual but i didn't think the talks i went to were that good. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:33:57] <wstephenson_> maybe i spent too long in the openSUSE room }:-{> [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:34:06] <apokryphos> it was very early, so surprising number for that time [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:34:23] <wstephenson_> the keynotes were unexciting [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:34:43] <wstephenson_> plenty of interest on the suse stand, but not overwhelming [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:34:44] <apokryphos> yaloki knows :P [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:34:49] <Beineri> KDE talk slides: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/8/84/OpenSUSE-fosdem2008-KDE4.pdf [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:05] <apokryphos> someone requested the source code for that neat little app [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:07] <wstephenson_> dirk and i presented those, which went ok, despite us being on in the 'graveyard slot' [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:16] <dirk> opensuse talks slides (mostly): http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2008 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:22] <dirk> apokryphos: yep, on my todo [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:22] <wstephenson_> G^HFunkyPenguin [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:36] <dirk> apokryphos: I'll have to clean the git because wstephenson_ committed his osc password into it ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:40] <yaloki> yeah, we'll definitely aim for more technical keynotes again next year [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:52] <yaloki> we were pretty disappointed about the hollywood talk tbh [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:53] <dirk> oh, yaloki is there.. so he should report ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:35:56] <apokryphos> hehe [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:36:06] <yaloki> report what? :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:36:17] <dirk> about how exciting fosdem2008 was ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:36:37] <cb400f> were kde devroom talks filmed? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:36:39] <yaloki> I didn't have any of the exciting stuff, just the tiring stuff :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:36:41] <yaloki> cb400f: no [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:36:46] Join zak_ has joined this channel (n=zak_@196.203.180.215). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:37:12] <yaloki> opensuse, debian, bsd/postgresql, keynotes, main tracks and lightning talks were recorded (not all by us) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:37:38] <yaloki> give us a good week or so for encoding [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:37:44] <yaloki> (we=fosdem) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:37:56] <yaloki> and .. umm.. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:38:04] <yaloki> well, it was utterly crowded, more than last year [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:38:07] <yaloki> (as always) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:38:12] <Beineri> same, or more weeks, for openSUSE videos [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:38:26] <yaloki> we counted this time, or tried to.. summing up on both days it's 6000 ppl [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:38:40] <yaloki> but that of course is no indication on the disctinct number of people who attended the event [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:39:26] * yaloki yells at rpm's /usr/sbin/Check using an interactive shell and falling apart on non-posix-sh function names [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:39:45] <wstephenson_> yaloki: think you will be able to get more space for sitting around and talking casually next year? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:39:45] <yaloki> the amarok wolf got whipped though [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:06] * Beineri wonders if dirk heard any rumours about kdepim at fosdem ;-)... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:06] <yaloki> wstephenson_: we'll have to rethink a few things anyhow, just to cope with the number of people [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:15] <yaloki> wstephenson_: if you want/need something, let us know _beforehand_ ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:21] <Beineri> sorry, wrong spelling: rumors <g<> [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:28] <yaloki> wstephenson_: actually we had a few rooms for that [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:37] <yaloki> wstephenson_: just had to ask at the infodesk ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:43] <toma> btw, the zeroconf talk was difficult to follow in the opensuse room on sunday: no audio, the presenters did not speak very loud when asked and the screens dificult to see due to the room... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:40:44] <dirk> Beineri: I've talked to a couple of kde people about it, yes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:41:09] <Beineri> dirk: any positive for us? :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:41:11] <Beineri> +thing [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:41:26] <dirk> Beineri: well.. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:41:34] <yaloki> toma: I know, can't fix, 35 devroom requests, 15 rooms, the infrastructure isn't ours and we can't find a better location elsewhere (to make it short) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:41:35] <wstephenson_> hi toma. agreed [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:42:05] <yaloki> we're definitely going to consider using larger rooms that are in the U building [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:42:06] <dirk> Beineri: in principle they feel allright with us shipping 4.1 kdepim, although they want to branch an enterprise branch again so we'll have the whole fun of merging again [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:42:09] <yaloki> they're further away though [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:42:21] <dirk> Beineri: although they said that they know that things don't work properly with kdelibs 4.0.x [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:42:30] <dirk> so the same issue like with kdevelop4 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:43:14] <yaloki> I suppose a few of you guys were in the kde devroom... ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:43:23] <wstephenson_> i spoke with volker and lenz grimmer [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:43:52] <wstephenson_> mysql are going to have a look at akonadi and see how mysql can be optimised for a pure desktop deployment [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:44:03] <wstephenson_> that might have a packaging angle for us. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:44:42] <rabauke> which package to install to satisfy kdepim's call for mysql-embedded? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:44:43] <dirk> yaloki: yep, I think some talks where interesting.. I've not attended the x-desktop room though [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:44:49] <yaloki> if so, how was the crowd? I'm under the impression that the 200 seats room was way too large for KDE [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:45:54] <wstephenson_> yaloki: it was maybe 75% full when i looked in on sat afternoon. dunno what it was like during the KDE 4 talk, that would be the largest i guess. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:45:56] <dirk> rabauke: I think nobody packaged it yet, see KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Desktop [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:46:05] <yaloki> wstephenson_: ok, thanks [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:46:20] <wstephenson_> rabauke: mysql-devel [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:46:24] <dirk> yaloki: it was ~ 50% during the talks I visited afaik [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:47:04] <yaloki> dirk: including on saturday? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:47:30] <wstephenson_> rabauke: which is libmysqlclient-devel [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:47:56] <rabauke> wstephenson_: ah, that might be the reason I did not find it this afternoon. let me check. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:48:45] <rabauke> indeed. I was looking for mysql-devel. :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:49:27] <dirk> yaloki: well, I was only there on saturday, so yes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:50:06] <dirk> well, it was not compareable to the virtualisation track (where ~ 500 people plus people sitting on the stairs) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:50:54] <dirk> yaloki: one feedback from me: in my impression the interesting talks / related talks all happened at the same time [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:50:59] <yaloki> dirk: sure, that's different anyway as it was a main track talk [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:51:12] <dirk> somebody suggested you should throw software at it, where people can vote upon what they want to attend to beforehand ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:51:16] <yaloki> dirk: if it's in the devrooms then it isn't our fault nor anything we can fix, we don't do the schedules there [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:51:31] <yaloki> dirk: that somebody is welcome to implement it... "patches are welcome" [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:52:19] * yaloki always finds it funny how many people think it's easy to organise an event like that with all those "just do this" "you should just do that" ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:52:45] <yaloki> dirk: it's tough to say beforehand in the main tracks (which we schedule) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:53:01] <yaloki> dirk: and for the devrooms, it's not under our control, the devroom organisers do whatever they want in it [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:53:12] <yaloki> dirk: we can't schedule 230 talks ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:53:33] <toma> virtualisation should have been in that big room [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:53:35] <rabauke> yaloki: random! [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:53:55] <yaloki> toma: possibly [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:54:01] <dirk> yaloki: sure.. just thinking out loud, don't feel offended. I think it worked all fine out anyway :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:54:04] <yaloki> toma: but maybe the other track also had 500+ ppl [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:54:23] <yaloki> dirk: no no, I don't feel offended, and constructive criticism + ideas are always welcome :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:54:34] <yaloki> dirk: was just a general comment, not specifically to what you wrote [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:54:48] <wstephenson_> any more fosdem business then? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:54:57] <dirk> what can we do to fill the opensuse dev room more next year? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:04] <yaloki> better schedule [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:09] <yaloki> less talks, longer sessions [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:13] <dirk> I don't want to share with mozilla guys again ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:14] <yaloki> talk more about it [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:22] <yaloki> blog about it, including on kde and gnome aggregators [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:30] <yaloki> and not just a week before the event [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:43] <yaloki> invite key ppl from other projects to do a workshop in our devroom [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:45] <rabauke> free beer [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:50] * Beineri is innocent [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:55:58] <yaloki> e.g. about packaging, kde, gnome, the OBS, a11y, whatever [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:56:39] <dirk> true.. the workshops in other devrooms were all crowded horribly [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:56:40] <yaloki> novell developers are notoriously bad at blogging, talking/writing about what they do or having a profile page ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:56:47] <yaloki> ok, except Beineri maybe (blogging) ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:57:03] * Beineri told those who go to fosdem and give a talk they should blog about... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:57:07] <yaloki> // s/;)//g [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:57:10] <yaloki> I really mean that, actually [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:57:40] <wstephenson_> it's good to hear that straight from you. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:58:10] <yaloki> at least when I compare to the fuzz that's been made about conferences (and other things) with other projects [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:58:47] <yaloki> the schedule was really too packed (almost exclusively 30min slots), but I think everyone realised that [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:59:12] <yaloki> not sure that has a direct impact on the # of visitors in the room, but something to fix anyway for next year [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:59:19] <Beineri> back to kde? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [20:59:27] <yaloki> ok, </fosdem> ;) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:00:23] <dirk> yaloki: thanks for the feedback [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:00:34] <yaloki> thanks for having been there :D [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:01:06] <wstephenson_> ok item the Third: KDEPIM 4.1 testing request [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:01:24] <wstephenson_> as you know we *really* want to ship KDE 4 in 11.0 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:01:33] <Beineri> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2008-02/msg00119.html [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:01:39] <wstephenson_> but 4.1 won't be released, and 4.0 has no PIM [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:02:07] <wstephenson_> the solution, for those of you who didn't read the above mail, is to ship PIM 4.1 beta with 4.0.x where x > 1. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:02:38] <wstephenson_> PIM has some history of being backward compat with the previous release, so it isn't completely crazy [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:02:43] <Beineri> solution, I would say it's another option :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:02:46] <toma> Beineri: kdepim trunk should not require qt4.4 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:03:17] <Beineri> toma: but it does obviously, something with QLocalServer or so? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:03:24] <wstephenson_> socket [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:03:28] <Beineri> can't remember exactly [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:03:31] <toma> Beineri: has been removed afaik [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:03:49] <Beineri> can try again with next 4.0.6x snapshot [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:03:50] <toma> Beineri: and if not, we need to fix that [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:04:59] <Beineri> and there was some bizarre configure problem with akonadi feed provider - which is now dsiabled in our build [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:05:20] Nick sven423^onAir is now known as sven423. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:05:41] <rabauke> so you are not interested in people trying kdepim4 from trunk with qt-copy? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:00] <Beineri> qt-copy has 4.4 devel, right? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:06] <toma> yes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:22] <dirk> rabauke: that is fine as well [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:33] <dirk> though I expect a lot of packaging issues, especially with kdelibs being at 4.0.x [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:40] <Beineri> actually that Qt problem is not a problem for us/Factory [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:42] <dirk> the pim developers warned me that this is an unsupported configuration [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:06:56] <dirk> so I'm thinking about updating kdelibs to 4.1 actually ;( [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:07:10] <Beineri> it's only a problem for the build service STABLE:DESKTOP repositories which contain Qt 4.3 and against which we built [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:07:15] <Beineri> for 10.2 and 10.3 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:07:23] <rabauke> it's kind of risky to test unstable email clients, isn't it? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:07:34] <Beineri> use test-accounts and test-data :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:07:44] <toma> dirk: kdepim should compile against 4.0 branch, that's what we decided at the last pim meeting [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:07:50] <rabauke> send email to myself? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:08:02] <Beineri> as written, to me it made a solid impression with current snapshot [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:08:40] <Beineri> I have subscribed mailing lists with pop+imap+dimap accounts.. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:09:10] <dirk> toma: it compiles, yes, but it looses functionality [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:09:25] <dirk> toma: I know about two things (ktexteditor interface and spell checking being disabled) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:09:44] <dirk> but there might be more - as it is not a recommended configuration, we end up maintaining that ourselves [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:10:08] <Beineri> more places should be greppable... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:10:09] <toma> that's the case either way [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:10:30] <Beineri> and then we can decide if that functionality is that importing and may make it use old api? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:10:48] <Beineri> s/importing/important/ :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:11:15] <Beineri> dirk: what other would we gain with kdelibs 4.1ß [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:11:17] <Beineri> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:12:01] <Beineri> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Feature_Plan doesn't list interesting stuff? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:12:24] Join bw___ has joined this channel (n=bw@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:12:25] <Beineri> that is, afaik kdeprint 4.1 rather does not exist (yet) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:13:51] <Beineri> everyone gone to bed? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:13:53] <toma> maybe a stupid question, but what's wrong with kdepim 3.5.9? I think it would be unwise to ship kdepim before its release. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:14:28] <wstephenson_> toma: we'll ship that as well of course. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:14:43] <Beineri> toma: short version: we need what should be included in sle11 getting tested by people [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:15:30] <Beineri> toma: and things like different kwallets also don't sound alluring... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:16:45] <Beineri> so, to end this. please test kdepim 4.1 if possible [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:17:40] Nick bw___ is now known as benJIman. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:18:19] <wstephenson_> and if you do it with real data, back it up first. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:19:59] * Beineri winds up wstephenson_ [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:20:55] <wstephenson_> ok, next itme [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:21:10] <wstephenson_> 4 Any Other Business [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:21:16] <wstephenson_> 11.0 planning? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:21:39] <dirk> toma: 3.5.9 might be stable, but it is also stable regarding its bugcount [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:21:53] * Beineri tries to keep http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE_on_openSUSE11.0 up-to-date [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:22:30] <Beineri> also reorded some stuff, there were strange things listed as blockers :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:23:27] <Beineri> if someone is bored and willing to help, there are possible junior jobs [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:23:46] <Beineri> it must not be me to port kio_beagle or kcm_gtk for example [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:24:17] <Beineri> or kio_iso [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:24:21] <rabauke> there is an issue on the ml regarding broken panel. Since nobody of you commented, can you not reproduce it or is it known? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:24:33] <rabauke> I do not get it with brnach or trunk. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:09] <Beineri> maybe it will be gone in the next packages (like 4.0.2 tagged today) then :-)... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:22] <dirk> rabauke: do you compile yourself or use the packages? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:25] <rabauke> ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:26] <cb400f> ETA on 4.0.2 on BS? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:26] * Beineri thinks he has that seen too... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:35] <rabauke> dirk: both [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:25:52] <dirk> rabauke: there might be two issues: a) Qt 4.4 snapshot broke plasma and b) packages are compiled with different paths [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:26:18] <Beineri> submission deadline for openSUSE 11.0 Alpha 3 is in two weeks. I hope we can strike a good part from that list until then. :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:26:18] <dirk> cb400f: it is already in the BS, as I use the OBS for testing the packages before releasing [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:26:26] <dirk> cb400f: but it won't be published before release [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:26:34] <cb400f> :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:26:55] <rabauke> dirk: I use stable, so not qt 4.4. for the susse packages. and the compiling is done with qt-copy, so it should show up there if it was qt 4.4. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:27:13] Join detlef has joined this channel (n=detlef@brhv-4db70bf2.pool.einsundeins.de). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:28:10] Join metavoid has joined this channel (n=nnd@natpool1-4.progtech.ru). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:28:35] <Beineri> ... and get all wanted strings in and feature done during the month after until Beta 1. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:29:13] <rabauke> another issue: printing in kde 4.0.x is not working well. there are issues with landscape format and of course it lacks all kinds of features, e.g. multiple pages on one. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:29:25] <rabauke> If that gets shipped people will complain. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:29:42] <rabauke> because of the lack of features, not the bugs actually. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:30:32] <rabauke> would it be possible to make "print" start ksnapshot by default for the kde4 packages? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:31:21] <Seli> rabauke: that was broken in 4.0.0 I think [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:31:24] <Beineri> that fixes n-up how? ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:31:59] <rabauke> Seli: it was quite useful for bug reporting :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:32:27] <dirk> rabauke: which means you're +1 for a KDE 4.1 snapshot [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:32:28] Quit erikja has left this server (Remote closed the connection). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:32:34] <Beineri> rabauke: a) if there is no kdeprint 4.1 code we cannot use/backport it and b) we don't have the resources to implement it ourselves... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:33:34] <Beineri> dirk: is there anything yet? branches/work/kdeprint-refactor-qt44 has been created 10 days ago and no single commit until then... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:33:34] <rabauke> Beineri: will kde 4.0.x be compiled with qt 4.4? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:33:35] <herbyg> There will be much better print support in Qt4.4. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:33:36] <dirk> there should be a kdeprint in kde 4.1 fairly soon though [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:33:57] <Beineri> rabauke: in 11.0? sure. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:33:59] <dirk> Beineri: I don't know.. I guess we should figure out what is blocking it [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:34:15] <rabauke> dirk: regarding the snapshot, do you mean for 11.0? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:34:35] <Beineri> herbyg: we know, but that has also no n-up ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:34:50] <Beineri> http://www.layt.net/john/blog/odysseus/a_quick_look_at_the_new_qt_44_print_dialog [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:35:44] <herbyg> Beineri: But adds n-up, to KDE4.0.x, knowing what's comming up in QT4.4 and KDE 4.1 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:36:08] <Beineri> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:36:17] <herbyg> ... who adds... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:36:39] <Beineri> of course nobody, it's feature frozen [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:36:50] Quit cb400f has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:36:52] <dirk> Beineri: thanks for updating the wiki page, looks quite good [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:37:17] <Beineri> we could if there would be something to backport though... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:37:45] <rabauke> herbyg: I think Beineri want to point out that currently neither qt 4.4 nor kde 4.1 have n-up. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:38:22] <Beineri> yes, see that blog. "n-up and non-continuous page ranges" are mentioned as example [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:38:22] <dirk> another topic: bug count [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:39:01] <dirk> we currently have 280 bugs filed against KDE 3.x (we used to be around 90). any idea how to make people interested in reproducing them under 4.x, and if they're 3.x specific, closing them? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:39:25] <wstephenson_> a bug day. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:39:49] <Beineri> which is to be announced for after Beta 1.... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:40:02] <wstephenson_> great, solved [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:40:24] <Beineri> so in 6 or 7 weeks.... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:40:48] <rabauke> how many subtracting the monkey ones? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:41:44] <Beineri> maybe 10 less? he is also closing bugs which disappear for him after updates [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:41:56] <rabauke> ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:42:42] Join anditosan has joined this channel (n=ytoox@128.187.183.121). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:42:53] <anditosan> Hi, is the meeting still going on? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:43:06] <anditosan> kde meeting? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:43:08] <Beineri> rabauke: 5 open from him atm [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:43:08] Join bitshuffler has joined this channel (n=bitshuff@unaffiliated/bitshuffler). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:43:22] <rabauke> yes, yet almost finished [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:43:42] <rabauke> I don't understand his mails/reports [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:43:50] <Beineri> anditosan: welcome to general q/a :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:44:28] <anditosan> ohhh, Beineri, where was the meeting? is it over? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:44:35] <tmg> rabauke: Who's the reporter? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:45:07] <rabauke> monkey9 or something like that [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:45:40] <rabauke> anditosan: it started 1:40 ago and is still ongoing in here [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:45:46] <anditosan> nice [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:45:59] <tmg> rabauke: ah ok, I thought the KDE top bug reporter found the suse bugzilla. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:46:10] <anditosan> will there be a section on suggestions later? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:46:22] <Beineri> with https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=363633#c13 it seems clear that he is mixing different bugs into one report [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:46:23] <rabauke> tmg: that would be me :p [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:46:25] <bugbot> openSUSE bug 363633 in openSUSE 11.0 (KDE4 Workspace) "All KDE4 desktop configure options greyed out." [Normal,New] [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:47:00] <tmg> rabauke: no, you didn't report > 1000 bugs yourself, did you? I know I saw many reports from you, but not hat many... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:47:00] <Beineri> anditosan: what do you want to suggest? now is the right time [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:47:20] <anditosan> ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:47:41] <rabauke> tmg: I was just joking. I know that I am quite annoying, but hopefully not as annoying as others. :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:48:03] <anditosan> I am not sure whether you are aware of one of my ideas for kde4 and opensuse11. But I suggested to some people whether we could change the default oxygent style for another one [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:48:08] <anditosan> called BESPIN [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:48:44] <anditosan> I am currently working with the author of bespin to come up with suggestions and custom changes that can fit kde4 in OS11 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:48:59] <benJIman> anditosan: Is there a compelling reason to use it over the upstream default? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:49:01] <anditosan> I am also coordinating these efforts with jimmac [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:49:11] <anditosan> that is what I want to explain [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:49:21] <tmg> rabauke: No, you're not annyoing. Some other bug reports are just plain weird/stupid/messy, but not yours. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:49:36] <anditosan> I am also working a little bit with kde and oxygen as it stands right now, in my impression, does not stand out [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:49:41] <anditosan> plus [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:49:44] <rabauke> tmg: thanks. I try to behave. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:50:27] <toma> rabauke: you changed ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:50:27] <anditosan> many other kde4 based distributions will ship with this style and it'll be hard to stand out as a distribution if you look just like any other distribution out there [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:50:43] <anditosan> it has to do with branding and styling [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:51:37] <Beineri> BESPIN - is this a style with built in code mess? :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:51:45] <anditosan> usually Opensuse brands by using colors and installation programs which look different than others, but in my opinion, once we get to the desktop the only main difference comes from the wallpaper [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:51:49] <benJIman> Beineri: Have you /seen/ oxygen code? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:51:55] <anditosan> no [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:51:59] <benJIman> It's good if you need some entertainment. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:52:06] <Beineri> benJIman: well, it's from the original oxygen author - right? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:52:14] <anditosan> Beineri: yes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:52:29] <anditosan> Beineri: and he is willing to team up with people that can contribute with his code [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:52:33] <Beineri> and has seen no release since Aug 2007? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:52:37] <benJIman> Beineri: Oxygen code is all in one 3000 line file, and has one method that's over 1000 lines with case statements up to 8 levels deep. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:52:47] <anditosan> he is actually currently updaint his svn repo [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:53:30] <dirk> anditosan: do you have a screenshot of the bespin look? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:53:32] <Beineri> we rather stay with an upstream mainted style - we will have to work with it 10+ years... :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:53:38] <anditosan> yes, one sec [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:53:50] <Beineri> single authors tend to drop out [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:00] <dirk> anditosan: the window deco or the widget style? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:05] <dirk> anditosan: found it on kde-look now [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:12] <anditosan> Beineri: remember that this is a work in progress. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:26] <Beineri> anditosan: rather small ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:27] <dirk> regarding window deco, I was planning to use the kde4 ported kwin-suse-decor2 again, although I haven't found time for that yet [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:34] <anditosan> Beineri: that is why we could support him [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:45] <Beineri> anditosan: to make the screenshot bigger? ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:54:53] <anditosan> Beineri: sorry [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:55:06] <anditosan> here are a few [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:55:07] <anditosan> http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/screenies.php [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:55:31] <Beineri> dirk: don't you like branded default deco? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:55:33] <anditosan> versatility is another good thing about this style, you can cahgne it as mucha s you want [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:55:58] <dirk> Beineri: I don't like the current deco because it is not easy to distinguish disabled/active window decoration [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:56:05] <dirk> also, I find the round buttons awkward [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:56:09] <Beineri> anditosan: sounds like huge potential bugs to me [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:56:40] * benJIman agrees with dirk [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:56:58] <anditosan> ok, just as much as you can tell me about all these technicalities I agree that these could be hard. But if opensuse is unable to stand out it'll be due to small things like these [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:57:17] <rabauke> what about the buildservice approach? package and wait for feedback? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:57:30] <anditosan> but at the same time, it could have less bugs if people from OS were keen on helpin the author [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:57:32] <dirk> anditosan: I think you're right that we should have additional features [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:58:08] <anditosan> that is my idea [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:58:18] <anditosan> to make suse branded in things that are really visible [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:58:26] <rabauke> opensuse 11.0 will habe a VGA fallback when booting with failsafe, so you get a working X even if you messed up xorg.conf. That makes it stand out. :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:59:13] <anditosan> rabauke: but just think about that for a moment. How will a non-experienced user realize that such change really changes the way opensuse looks? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:59:28] <anditosan> he'll be able just to see the system working, but what else [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:59:30] <anditosan> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [21:59:47] <rabauke> anditosan: I#m the wrong person to talk to. I can change styles and I never used the default opensuse one... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:00:06] <anditosan> nowadays, people walk around and when they see, for example, the title bar buttons on the left they call MAC [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:00:29] Part toma has left this channel ("Ooh, look, a shiny object..."). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:00:40] <rabauke> which is something against using this style because opensuse does nto want to be a mac clone. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:00:43] <rabauke> I think [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:00:45] <anditosan> and when they see the green and blue hill wallpaper they call it XP [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:12] <anditosan> how will they identify OpenSUSE, a green background? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:24] <anditosan> so, the idea is out there [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:26] <Seli> anditosan: no, the chameleon :) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:31] * Beineri doesn't want a disctint style in 11.0, aka yet another construction site. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:31] <anditosan> true [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:34] <anditosan> :D [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:01:55] <benJIman> anditosan: Could do something easier, like a custom plasma theme that fits the rest of the branding. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:05] <benJIman> Dark grey gradient on green wallpaper. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:24] <anditosan> benJiman: have you looked at the oxygen style? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:34] <anditosan> it has ways to go [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:37] <benJIman> The code? Yes. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:40] <benJIman> Hence my comments. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:44] <anditosan> still and innovations are not clearly visible [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:48] <benJIman> dirk: You have copyright header on that file ^_^ [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:49] <anditosan> besides shapes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:02:52] <Beineri> benJIman: already suggest that to jimmac and didn't sound he plans to create plasma theme... [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:03:19] <Beineri> 2h - any official meeting end in sight? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:03:23] <benJIman> Beineri: No, but someone else could always volunteer, I'm sure jimmac would be happy to provide SVGs etc to base it off. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:03:37] <benJIman> I thought meeting was over. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:03:57] <dirk> benJIman: the oxygen style? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:03:58] <anditosan> jimmac has talked to me about this and he likes the idea [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:04:08] <benJIman> dirk: Yes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:04:12] <dirk> benJIman: probably only by accident, I haven't done the look at all. probably it was just copied from some other code [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:04:27] <Beineri> benJIman: oh, admitted. heard from our master the last 20+ minutes. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:04:27] <wstephenson_> Beineri: i can end it if you like [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:04:33] <Beineri> benJIman: didn't hear [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:04:44] * wstephenson_ fell down the PeopleSoft rabbit hole [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:06:00] <benJIman> dirk: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/kstyles/oxygen/oxygen.cpp?revision=772946 Look at e.g. drawKStylePrimitive method ^_^ [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:06:20] Nick zak_ is now known as zak__. [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:06:55] <dirk> benJIman: adopting the code is not a problem for me, I'll just need some artist doing the mockup of the improvement [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:06:59] <anditosan> Beineri, benJiman, what could we do then about the bespin idea [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:01] <anditosan> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:15] <Beineri> forget it? :-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:19] <anditosan> why [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:20] <anditosan> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:26] <Beineri> no time [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:32] <anditosan> what do you mean [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:33] <anditosan> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:43] <Beineri> read the meeting log [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:07:47] <anditosan> where?> [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:08:05] <anditosan> could it be postponed for an upcoming version [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:08:05] <anditosan> ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:08:19] <Beineri> we can reconsider it for 11.2 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:08:39] <anditosan> Beineri: then I believe that by that time, the code for bespin will be more mature [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:08:50] <yaloki> wth is that bespin [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:08:56] <yaloki> anditosan: screenies somewhere ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:03] <Beineri> possible, maybe it then has even obsoleted oxygen as default style in kde ;-) [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:03] <anditosan> but I'd like to see some of the developers take a look at it and give the author suggestions every now and then [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:07] <anditosan> is that possible? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:13] <yaloki> anditosan: I don't think so [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:16] <anditosan> yaloki: http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/screenies.php [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:30] <yaloki> anditosan: they're busy with lots of things, especially now to fix KDE 4.x for openSUSE 11 [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:33] <Beineri> I don't think that we have Qt style developers in our rows [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:09:53] <anditosan> Beineri: well, I know pinheiro and he won't let go of oxygen in a long time [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:10:05] <anditosan> Beineri: I didn't know that [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:10:16] <anditosan> it's all good [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:10:33] <yaloki> so it's a very themable qt4 engine, right ? [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:10:37] <anditosan> well, I guess I can relax now and improve the style [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:10:44] <anditosan> yaloki: yes [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:11:00] <anditosan> yaloki: and although is is in early stages I see a great potential in it [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:11:17] <yaloki> ok [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:11:28] <anditosan> yaloki: unfortunately oxygen will not have a lot of configurability modules for some time [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:11:40] Quit blindfish has left this server ("Leaving"). [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:11:49] <anditosan> we'll just have to conform to their design [Wed Feb 27 2008] [22:11:58] <wstephenson_> ok, meeting over. feel free to continue to discuss bespin though