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Pattern: gnome Package Size Comments
xsanexsane-0.995-465129676Look at gnome-scan - jpr


Pattern: gnome_admin Package Size Comments
alacartealacarte-0.11.5-4383545
pessuluspessulus-2.16.4-4173575Do we need this by default? -captain_magnus -- Probably not - vuntz.
sabayonsabayon-2.22.0-4829410Do we need this by default? -captain_magnus -- Probably not - vuntz.


Pattern: gnome_basis Package Size Comments
at-spiat-spi-1.22.0-21281187
awesfxawesfx-0.5.1a-45266831Maybe we need its udev rules, we can ask Takeshi - jpr
beaglebeagle-0.3.3-143955342
beagle-evolutionbeagle-evolution-0.3.3-1477761
beagle-firefoxbeagle-firefox-0.3.3-14191688
beagle-guibeagle-gui-0.3.3-14477801
braserobrasero-0.7.1-342482903
bug-buddybug-buddy-2.22.0-4643979
cdparanoia required by gstreamer-0_10-plugins-base so maybe we don't explicitly need it - jpr
cdrdaocdrdao-1.2.2-2351128585 required by nautilus-cd-burner so maybe we don't explicitly need it - jpr
control-center2control-center2-2.22.0-43158690
cups-backendscups-backends-1.0-18424600orignally need for hal backend, still needed for upgrade compatability - jpr
dbus-1-x11dbus-1-x11-1.1.20-529337
desktop-file-utilsdesktop-file-utils-0.15-6172192
dirmngrdirmngr-1.0.1-3456372required by gpg2 so maybe we don't explicitly need it - jpr
eogeog-2.22.0-42270621
evinceevince-2.22.0-51730982
evolutionevolution-2.22.0-511952261
fam-serverfam-server-2.7.0-92148460Old requirement for gamin I think, believe this can be removed - jpr -- I believe it's still needed to have file notification work on NFS. Not sure gio uses it, though - vuntz.
file-rollerfile-roller-2.22.0-4568209
gailgail-1.22.0-3737496
gcalctoolgcalctool-5.22.0-5804461
gconf2-branding-openSUSEgconf2-branding-openSUSE-2.20-863345
gconf-editorgconf-editor-2.22.0-3239443
gdbgdb-6.7.90.20080305-53901219required by bug-buddy so maybe we don't explicitly need it - jpr
gdmgdm-2.20.0-853071807
geditgedit-2.22.0-43058949
ggreeterggreeter-0.1-103241609
glegle-3.1.0-70721901required by xscreensaver (and hence gnome-screensaver) so maybe we don't explicitly need it - jpr
gnome2-SuSEgnome2-SuSE-10.3-1711101995
gnome2-user-docsgnome2-user-docs-2.20.1-2519084820
gnome-appletsgnome-applets-2.22.0-45499749
gnome-audiognome-audio-2.0.0-2203393948
gnome-commandergnome-commander-1.2.5-51242388Really needed by default? -captain_magnus -- Agree, it's kind of confusing to have it by default - vuntz
gnome-cups-managergnome-cups-manager-0.32-621642043
gnome-desktopgnome-desktop-2.22.0-3829761
gnome-icon-themegnome-icon-theme-2.22.0-211124362
gnome-keyringgnome-keyring-2.22.0-3665418
gnome-keyring-managergnome-keyring-manager-2.20.0-73352758should be dropped for seahorse - jpr
gnome-keyring-pamgnome-keyring-pam-2.22.0-330492
gnome-maggnome-mag-0.15.0-23396489
gnome-main-menugnome-main-menu-0.9.9-7663614
gnome-mediagnome-media-2.22.0-41514853
gnome-menusgnome-menus-2.22.0-4376496
gnome-mountgnome-mount-0.7-54231291
gnome-nettoolgnome-nettool-2.22.0-3426413
gnome-panelgnome-panel-2.22.0-54755850
gnome-power-managergnome-power-manager-2.22.0-54291800
gnome-printer-addgnome-printer-add-1.0.1-21124285
gnome-screensavergnome-screensaver-2.22.0-42646862
gnome-sessiongnome-session-2.22.0-4583197
gnome-session-branding-openSUSE
gnome-spell2gnome-spell2-1.0.8-24104155
gnome-system-monitorgnome-system-monitor-2.22.0-4786874
gnome-terminalgnome-terminal-2.22.0-42679742
gnome-themesgnome-themes-2.22.0-412757521
gnome-utilsgnome-utils-2.20.0.1-775570488
gnome-vfs2gnome-vfs2-2.22.0-33101114
gnome-volume-managergnome-volume-manager-2.22.1-27957216
gnome-web-photognome-web-photo-0.3-681597
gpg2gpg2-2.0.8-246046054
gpgmegpgme-1.1.6-17351697
gstreamer-0_10gstreamer-0_10-0.10.17-141201258
gstreamer-0_10-plugins-basegstreamer-0_10-plugins-base-0.10.17-201690797
gstreamer-0_10-plugins-goodgstreamer-0_10-plugins-good-0.10.7-62006435
gstreamer-0_10-pulsegstreamer-0_10-pulse-0.9.5-27103257
gtk2-branding-openSUSEgtk2-branding-openSUSE-10.2-5385
gtk2-enginesgtk2-engines-2.14.0-31337920
gtk2-themesgtk2-themes-0.1-739178091
gtkhtml2gtkhtml2-3.18.0-31235972
gtksourceviewgtksourceview-2.2.0-397083
gtkspellgtkspell-2.0.11-19845185
gucharmapgucharmap-2.22.0-33637693
guileguile-1.8.4-73000417required by gnucash so maybe we don't explicitly need it - jpr
input-utilsinput-utils-2007.06.22-8189012
libgail-gnomelibgail-gnome-1.20.0-7463175
metacitymetacity-2.22.0-33018872
nautilusnautilus-2.22.0-65428959
nautilus-open-terminalnautilus-open-terminal-0.9-1251443
nautilus-sendtonautilus-sendto-0.13.2-16162252
nautilus-sharenautilus-share-0.7.0-19674140
ncpfsncpfs-2.2.6-1182511856GNOME does not this this one, neither does the Novell Client -captain_magnus
NetworkManagerNetworkManager-0.7.0.r3453-31745816
NetworkManager-gnomeNetworkManager-gnome-0.7.0.r593-21773021
notification-daemonnotification-daemon-0.3.7-117141960
orcaorca-2.22.0-34677611
padevchooserpadevchooser-0.9.4-4571771
pamanpaman-0.9.4-51516684
paprefspaprefs-0.9.6-100115616
pavucontrolpavucontrol-0.9.5-51175333
pavumeterpavumeter-0.9.3-8988588
pidginpidgin-2.4.0-103016945
pinentry-gtk2pinentry-gtk2-0.7.2-185964
PolicyKit-gnomePolicyKit-gnome-0.7-38.x86_64.rpm179566
pulseaudio-esound-compatpulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.9-53302
pulseaudio-module-bluetoothpulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.9-527836
pulseaudio-module-gconfpulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.9-519440
pulseaudio-module-jackpulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.9-536232 Is this really needed? - vuntz
pulseaudio-module-lircpulseaudio-module-lirc-0.9.9-59736
pulseaudio-module-x11pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.9-544619
pulseaudio-module-zeroconfpulseaudio-module-zeroconf-0.9.9-537476
pulseaudio-utilspulseaudio-utils-0.9.9-5197219
python-gnomepython-gnome-2.20.0-701095141
python-gtkpython-gtk-2.12.0-494810231
python-numericpython-numeric-24.2-1431677592 Why is it explicitly listed in the pattern? - vuntz
python-orbitpython-orbit-2.14.3-70130563 Why is it explicitly listed in the pattern? - vuntz
sambasamba-3.0.28-249506665
shared-mime-infoshared-mime-info-0.23-212929674
soxsox-14.0.0-36796570First I ever heard of this one. Anyone using it? -captain_magnus -- Maybe it's needed by some gstreamer stuff? If not, then we might be able to remove it. - vuntz -- I did an rpm -e sox and it removed it without complaining so don't think anything else needs it. -captain_magnus
startup-notificationstartup-notification-0.9-5369726
susehelpsusehelp-2007.08.22-60292997
tango-icon-themetango-icon-theme-0.8.0-1529436957
tomboytomboy-0.9.5-241810923
vcdimagervcdimager-0.7.23-1141292805 Is it useful? Maybe for brasero? - vuntz
vinovino-2.22.0-6752598
vtevte-0.16.13-31802426
xkeyboard-configxkeyboard-config-1.2-212933241
yast2-control-center-gnomeyast2-control-center-gnome-2.13.2-16660573
yast2-soundyast2-sound-2.16.4-21066534
yelpyelp-2.22.0-51370694
zenityzenity-2.22.0-5322577Anyone using this one? -captain_magnus


Pattern: gnome_games Package Size Comments
gnome-gamesgnome-games-2.20.0.1-11311811287
phalanxphalanx-22-607645352gnome-games now requires chess_backend so the explicit phalanx requires can be dropped - jpr


Pattern: gnome_imaging Package Size Comments
eogeog-2.22.0-42270621
f-spotf-spot-0.4.2-155598242


Pattern: gnome_internet Package Size Comments
liferealiferea-1.4.13-22340610
NetworkManager-openvpn-gnomeNetworkManager-openvpn-gnome-0.7.0-29189878
NetworkManager-vpnc-gnomeNetworkManager-vpnc-gnome-0.7.0-28111270
panpan-0.132-832066151 Are there still many people using newsgroups? - vuntz -- When the openSUSE forums takes off this *might* be useful? -captain_magnus
xchat-gnomexchat-gnome-0.16-1111949836Think we should probably prefer xchat or pidgin as our irc client - jpr. I agree about xchat. Please don't replace with pidgin though. -captain_magnus -- Let's be provocative: do we really need an IRC client in the default install? Do most users need this? - vuntz -- Our online help have a "Connect to #opensuse", hence we *require* an IRC client. Pidgin (in my opinion) is not preferred. -captain_magnus


Pattern: gnome_laptop Package Size Comments
bluez-gnomebluez-gnome-0.23-6404499Maybe not just for laptops - jpr
gsynapticsgsynaptics-0.9.9-165138671
resappletresapplet-0.1.4-15683369
xournalxournal-0.3.3-142329934Believe this was added for tablets - jpr -- Probably, but it's weird to have it installed by default on non-tablet laptops. - vuntz


Pattern: gnome_multimedia Package Size Comments
bansheebanshee-0.13.2-396608738
banshee-player
f-spotf-spot-0.4.2-155598242Already included in pattern gnome_imaging so should be removed from here. -captain_magnus
opensuse-codecs-installeropensuse-codecs-installer-10.3.1-3210411
totemtotem-2.22.0-63124702
totem-plugintotem-plugin-2.22.0-6805152


Pattern: gnome_office Package Size Comments
OpenOffice_org-gnomeOpenOffice_org-gnome-2.4.0.3-2904088


Pattern: gnome_utilities Package Size Comments
bluez-gnomebluez-gnome-0.23-6404499
dasherdasher-4.7.0-2518787046
deskbar-appletdeskbar-applet-2.22.0.1-43318982
evolution-pilotevolution-pilot-2.22.0-5171994
fast-user-switch-appletfast-user-switch-applet-2.22.0-7352163
gftpgftp-2.0.18-1801255005 Isn't nautilus enough for 90% of people? - vuntz
gnetgnet-2.0.7-212241438Can't find anything that depends on this one. -captain_magnus
gnome-bluetoothgnome-bluetooth-0.11.0-24252674
libopensync-plugin-filelibopensync-plugin-file-0.22-9349958
multisync-guimultisync-gui-0.91.0-167117836
seahorseseahorse-2.22.0-43596982
vinovino-2.22.0-6752598


Pattern: gnome_xgl Package Size Comments
compiz-gnomecompiz-gnome-0.7.2-9431882


Pattern: gnome_yast Package Size Comments
yast2-control-center-gnomeyast2-control-center-gnome-2.13.2-16660573
yast2-gtkyast2-gtk-2.16.5-16735465
yast2-qtyast2-qt-2.16.33-41023614
yast2-qt-pkgyast2-qt-pkg-2.16.29-2823404


Pattern: sw_management_gnome Package Size Comments
opensuse-updater-gnomeopensuse-updater-gnome-0.4.6-154035044Should be able to replace with pk-update-icon soon


Contents

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Packages to add

Here's a list of packages that we might want to add:

  • evolution-webcal

Note that we need to check that things will still be small enough for the CD.

[edit]

Packaging optimisations to save space

Digging with baobab on the mounted live CD file-system, it's easy to see that we are wasting a certain amount of space:

  • /usr/share/doc/packages is 87Mb

this includes gems such as: 

  python-opengl's 3Mb wodge of HTML documentation: -> python-opengl-doc
  postfix's 2.3Mb of HTML documentation -> postfix-doc
  netpbm 1.9Mb of docs (for an image conversion tool) -> netpbm-doc
  • We ship two copies of xulrunner - 19Mb 
  rpm -q --whatrequires mozilla-xulrunner181
  liferea-1.4.13-14
  python-gnome-extras-2.19.1-74
  gnome-web-photo-0.4-5
  yelp-2.22.1-3

clearly migrating these to the latest mozilla would be wonderful - if possible.

  • /usr/lib/locale at 79Mb is a huge waste
  • /usr/lib/mono/gac is 47Mb

Presumably that's not a cache - seemingly the data is not duplicated elsewhere. However it seems there are weak RPM dependencies in the C# world - so, things like:

gtkhtml314-sharp, gnome-vfs-sharp2, gmime-sharp2, galago-sharp

are installed - but apparently without users (on the face of it).

  • package size / sorting 
   rpm -qa --queryformat '%{NAME}\t%{SIZE}\n' | sort -n +1

gives some interesting output:

  • OpenOffice_org-iconthemes is 24Mb

this contains a load of duplication - and we only really require 1 theme - the Tango theme.

  • mozilla-xulrunner-lang is 15Mb

surely we don't need all of those.

  • libgweather is 18Mb

most of it is a huge translated list of locations - do we need the translations ? (may require code changes). vuntz: or an update to the latest libgweather version (which breaks Locations.xml per locale by default, and thus solves this issue). Note however that 18Mb sounds like the uncompressed size, and I expect the compression ratio to be good since it's mainly a big xml file.

[edit]

Changes to packagelist

[edit]

2008-03-28

No changes


[edit]

2008-03-25

Pattern: gnome_basis 

+PolicyKit-gnome

Pattern: xgl 

+compizconfig-settings-manager
+compiz-fusion-plugins-main
+compiz-manager
+libcompizconfig
+python-compizconfig
+simple-ccsm


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