Speaker: jpr suseROCKs: Give or take a few minutes. jpr: Welcome to the openSUSE GNOME team meeting! **suseROCKs waves jpr: beta 1 is about to be inflicted on the world jpr: and we charge ahead decriptor: jpr: does that mean they have worked through most of the problems? suseROCKs: How much do we charge per head? jpr: decriptor: no, but it means most of our stuff is done-ish :-) jpr: with that in mind...

Speaker: everyone decriptor: adn the restish is brokenish? :) suseROCKs: Apparentlyish jpr: the branding stuff caused some pain munkii: jpr: charge? you'll probably be hearing from my lawyer soon jpr: this week munkii: ok, i have a couple of issue here jpr: but sbrabec 's work will be really beautiful in the end, so its worth it jpr: also please not PackageKit/gnome-packagekit will replace opensuse-updater-gnome in beta 1 jpr: so please test,test,test jpr: other comments on factory? vuntz: my main problem is that wireless is not working on one laptop suseROCKs: Will it now be available on DVD unlike Alpha? **federico1 needs to do a zypper dup soon jpr: suseROCKs: not sure actually **vuntz tries to find the bug decriptor: jpr: what's the state of wireless? decriptor: jpr: and the wpa_supplicant not loading issue **decriptor really wants wireless to work munkii: many apps are failing to install, with something like this "can't access hom/munkii/.gvs" or whatever, what is with that? vuntz: bug 376742 jpr: decriptor: oh, is that still a problem? bugbot: openSUSE bug 376742 in openSUSE 11.0 (Network) "Wireless doesn't work (wpa_supplicant doesn't get run)" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=376742 munkii: darn typos >=( decriptor: normal,new does that mean nothing has happened with it jpr: jpr@gambit:~> grep PERMISSION_SECURITY /etc/sysconfig/security jpr: PERMISSION_SECURITY="easy local" jpr: vuntz, decriptor ^^ decriptor: in that its not fixed jpr: decriptor, vuntz : is that what you have? or is it "secure local" decriptor: shoot I don't have that machine with me vuntz: "secure local" jpr: munkii: that warning comings up with successful install jpr: vuntz: you have https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=380095 bugbot: openSUSE bug 380095 in openSUSE 11.0 (Basesystem) "dbus and policykit permissions too restricted in secure mode" [Critical,New] decriptor: my problem went away though when I loaded wpa_supplicant decriptor: manually jpr: yes munkii: jpr: true, but it's actually a long error, this is all i can remember of it munkii: :P jpr: munkii: the first part is irrelevant, you need the rest of the error munkii: ok, anybody tried to install gnome-games lately? vuntz: jpr: I'll trust you and assume it's the same issue :-) jpr: vuntz: you can test, change it to easy local and run SuSEconfig **vuntz kills the wpa_supplicant process decriptor: jpr: so all of the branding should be in place now? decriptor: should we submit specific bugs on it? **suseROCKs takes off his hat and says a silent prayer for vuntz's dearly departed wpa_supplicant jpr: decriptor: it has not all synced to the repos jpr: other comments on factory? decriptor: but its in beta1? decriptor: so factory /repos soon? federico1: jpr: do you know if the "sound is not really configured after installation" is fixed yet? jpr: don't know federico1: ok federico1: the pulseaudio applet scares me :) jpr: decriptor: that is unclear to me, some of it made b1, not sure if all of it did jpr: federico1: yes, its a bit scary, needs to be simplified for 11.1 munkii: jpr: i'm just worried because it seems like package management bugs are growing exponentially with every upgrade, this can't be good decriptor: awesome, I guess I'll wait and see decriptor: beta1 the mystery branded release :) munkii: i'll be filing more bugs however :) decriptor: wait and see what branding you get :P vuntz: federico1: +1 munkii: ah, yes pulseaudio doesn't work AT ALL here vuntz: jpr: it seems I have to reboot, since it's working even after killing wpa_supplicant jpr: munkii: bug #? vuntz: jpr: I'll try later jpr: vuntz: ok munkii: it just sits there in my notification area jpr: munkii: what are you expecting it to do? munkii: jpr: i didn't file one, because i don't use it anyway :P munkii: jpr: manage sound? jpr: munkii: if you have any sound, you are using pulseaudio :-) jpr: ok

Speaker: federico munkii: non of its functions work jpr: federico1: ... suseROCKs: psst... jpr have you refreshed the agenda page? **decriptor is sad he didn't get around to doing summer of code this year jpr: suseROCKs: will handle it federico1: ok **pygi is a potential GSoC student this year ;) **suseROCKs hopes decriptor will enjoy his summer federico1: we almost have the final list of accepted projects for the SoC federico1: we'll mentor 10 projects in total :) **decriptor gets to do research on AI instead for free :( :) mixed feelings **munkii can't join SoC because hes a lousy student decriptor: munkii: is there a minimum gpa or somethign federico1: the deadline to accept projects is tomorrow, so I'll guess the announcement about the final projects will be next week or so federico1: vuntz may know more pygi: federico1, monday pygi: the announcement is monday federico1: pygi: oh, excellent vuntz: pygi: you're so fast pygi: vuntz, :P munkii: decriptor: no it's just that i can barely handle college work munkii: :P decriptor: munkii: ah I see **pygi is just glad he'll be working with you folks =) **decriptor figures that he'll apply for an internship at Novell this summer and hopes that they don't lay him off again if he gets a job :) suseROCKs: how do you get laid off from an internship? Isn't that an unpaid job? munkii: we have a pretty tough curriculum federico1: that's all about the SoC for now, I guess federico1: can't really say more until we announce who's accepted :)

Speaker: vuntz jpr: vuntz: ... vuntz: federico1: well, we can say there are some good projects ;-) federico1: yes there are! vuntz: so, for policy review... vuntz: not a lot of proposed changes so far **decriptor thinks it would be cool if Novell sponsored some of the projects as well, gets more people coding on opensuse vuntz: the hard thing is finding a good way to keep this list of changes up-to-date vuntz: which would give us a nice document to show to the world what we change vuntz: and make upstream happy jpr: vuntz: are there some no brainers we could take action on? like the ghex fonts, the sticky notes and the multiple desktops? vuntz: (as upstream, I'd love to have this information for all distros) vuntz: jpr: yeah, some are easy vuntz: I'm not sure about multiple desktops vuntz: I mean, I'm in favor :-) vuntz: but it's a big change jpr: vuntz: maybe just do a "strike through" on the ones that are removed? jpr: and start with removals vuntz: ok jpr: anyone have comments on the policies themselves? federico1: vuntz: gnome-mount's vfat options looks like it could go upstream vuntz: so I'll mail a list of changes that we can remove and if there's no comment after 4 or 5 days, I'll submit the removals federico1: we had a lot of complaining from japanese users about that vuntz: federico1: there's an upstream bug, iirc jpr: federico1: i already filed it upstream vuntz: jpr should know for sure federico1: ah munkii: vuntz: what are you planning to remove? federico1: vuntz: and what about the g-s-d keybindings for volume/etc? vuntz: munkii: need to look at the list again. I'll send a mail for that jpr: federico1: that was a patch by thoenig vuntz: federico1: yeah, those ones should be upstream too, I need to check jpr: for the on screen display stuff iirc vuntz: all distros have this, I believe vuntz: which, hmm, is not good :-) jpr: (really need better names for those in the UI) vuntz: there's one issue I noticed in the past few days jpr: X86AudioMute jpr: not so user friendly vuntz: we change the default actions for g-v-m when inserting a media vuntz: but now nautilus handles this vuntz: so I'm nearly sure those changes are not working anymore and we need to apply them somewhere else jpr: ok vuntz: I'll take a look at it jpr: g-v-m seems to be dying vuntz: it's half-dying vuntz: some things are still needed vuntz: it's more like "gnome-hardware-manager" now federico1: vuntz: btw - the "hide the computer icon" in nautilus is related to both our gnome-main-menu and the nautilus mega-patch that I have to rebase (for drives and volumes) jpr: vuntz: maybe you should send a concrete list of proposals in a few days for the policy stuff? jpr: to the ML vuntz: jpr: yep. Will do vuntz: first step: removals & trivial changes vuntz: second step: settings that are more complex vuntz: eg, to have multiple workspaces, we might need to add the workspace switcher back on the panel jpr: we probably actually patch it out now :-) vuntz: right :-) jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Pattern review (captain_magnus) | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current | Testing needed: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing jpr: captain_magnus: ... munkii: watching cricket again, i reckon suseROCKs: methinks he's asleep jpr: so, i rounded up a few items while he was away jpr: because there was some panic on the CD size jpr: the x86_64 one is 699.5MB atm :-) munkii: heh? nice jpr: there was a proposed list of removals and everyone seems generally to agree jpr: filed a bug on that federico1: jpr: time to put -Os in the build options :) munkii: jpr: can we see it? jpr: the package that builds it is not external jpr: but it would be nice to make it external vuntz: jpr: btw, you seemed to think there's a way to remove a package which is pulled in by another package jpr: vuntz: i do? vuntz: jpr: ah, maybe you didn't :-) jpr: well, i think there is sort of jpr: but playing with deps is an issue jpr: someone will send mail about the live CD soon jpr: for all you commenters :-)

Speaker: jpr jpr: so, wishlist jpr: all changes were made for b1 that were proposed jpr: except monsoon **munkii thinks bug-buddy shouldn't have so many dependencies jpr: and the question of giver vuntz: jpr: isn't monsoon in? **munkii hopes not jpr: vuntz: its not in the pattern yet (i think) vuntz: ah, maybe not in the pattern vuntz: right jpr: at least FunkyPenguin was not aware of the change jpr: vuntz: did you file it? vuntz: jpr: I don't think I filed a bug for the pattern jonp: munkii: why don't you want monsoon? jpr: vuntz: would you go ahead and do that? vuntz: I didn't even think about the pattern :/ vuntz: sure munkii: jonp: it's too amateurish jpr: i think next year we probably need do the wishlist a bit sooner jpr: next release that is suseROCKs: I thought quite the opposite with Transmission jpr: because there were a couple of requests that required new packages we need to review

Speaker: suseROCKs jpr: suseROCKs: ... suseROCKs: ok just briefly. Lately there's been alot of confusion after DST about our meeting times. suseROCKs: Last week for example, meeting started one hour earlier than scheduled and some of us missed it. And today Rodrigo expressed confusion in the ML suseROCKs: I propose we move our meeting time back -1 UTC so that we're back to our normal "local times" and revisit it again in the fall jpr: +1 federico1: +1 munkii: i'd say 56 attendees is still pretty good, but +1 mw: +1 suseROCKs: 56 logged in is not 56 attending :-) vuntz: suseROCKs: of course it is! :-) suseROCKs: heh FunkyPenguin: +1 seeing as i forgot about the meeting suseROCKs: ok so we're in agreement now our meeting is 16:00 UTC? suseROCKs: (was 17:00 UTC) jpr: looks like it jpr: motion carried!

Speaker: jpr jpr: so jpr: since its bug fix time jpr: and there are as always a lot of bugs jpr: the hackers need community help! jpr: we have http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Bugs jpr: for classifying bugs and we'd like to kind of work that way if possible jpr: (along with clumping bugs together like multiscreen bugs) **suseROCKs admits to be extremely lax lately in helping out with this stuff, being diverted on another project which is taking too much of his time. jpr: so starting tomorrow we'd like to classify as many of the bugs as possible jpr: and in fact federico, vuntz, hpj, rodrigo, mw and myself will all work on that tomororw jpr: federico1: maybe you could send a nice mail to the ML about this? suseROCKs: ok nobody disturb federico1, vuntz, hpj, and rodrigo tmw! They have a busy day! federico1: hmm jpr: federico1: issue? federico1: jpr: yeah, I'll send mail about it - should we just split the remaining bugs among people in chunks of (say) 100 bugs each? federico1: "you do from 10000 to 10100, etc" jpr: we only have 236 to classify afaik jpr: for 11.0 jpr: i think we stick to 11.0 for now jpr: federico1: but something like 'last digit is 0 or 1' for you might help vuntz: federico1: if you want to do 100 bugs, though, I'm sure we can work that out :-) suseROCKs: hmm we need to get darragh in soon to test with his equipment and identify if there's any a11y bugs. I see a11y users still confused when they install 10.3 jpr: suseROCKs: yes, if you could set that up, it would be great decriptor: a11y? jpr: suseROCKs: i would hate to release 11.0 in that same state suseROCKs: jpr problem is darragh is generally unresponsive via email. I don't know how else to approach this issue. jpr: suseROCKs: there is also movement on the accessible-yast bug federico1: vuntz: the last time I went through the bug lists I did 36 bugs in 45 minutes - it's not that bad :) sontek: decriptor: accessibility (a 11 characters y) just like i18n (internationalization) suseROCKs: jpr yes I've been watching that. decriptor: oh ok I wondered if that was it jpr: woot, bug fixing here we come

Speaker: Federico jpr: federico1: ... federico1: ok federico1: this week I've been working on merging fedora's / ubuntu's work on the gnome-display-properties capplet to support RandR 1.2 federico1: to avoid another disaster like the multiple forks of intlclock federico1: soeren and bryce are now using my git repository jpr: very nice federico federico1: I have packages for testing here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/federico-mena:/multiscreen/openSUSE_Factory/ **decriptor is excited, now all he needs is a second monitor :) federico1: so if people could install those three packages, it would be fantastic :) decriptor: federico1: send me another monitor and I promise to test it :) federico1: if you file bugs, please mark them as blocking bug #374148 - that's the tracker bug for multiscreen stuff bugbot: openSUSE bug 374148 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "Tracker bug for multiscreen bugs" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=374148 __onestone is now known as onestone jpr: federico1: what kinds of things should we expect? federico1: right now, I just found out that my laptop (with a radeon chipset) uses the radeon-6.3.3 driver, but I need the 6.8.0 driver to get support for RandR 1.2 federico1: so I'm trying to figure out why we ship both drivers, but use the old one :) jpr: radeonhd? federico1: jpr: a few things: federico1: (no, plain radeon) federico1: * gnome-display-properties should now list all your connected monitors and let you configure them federico1: * Fn-F7 is supposed to work on laptops vuntz: federico1: that's because the randr1.2-aware one wasn't declared stable upstream until february, iirc munkii: decriptor: so does the other 95% of linux users federico1: * asking what to do when you hotplug a monitor is not finished, but I may work on that decriptor: wait I can test this on my laptop then, this should work just fine with nvidia right? federico1: vuntz: oh,I see - it should be possible to update to that one now... I'll ask the X people decriptor: munkii: but not all of them are willing to test :) munkii: federico1: ah, sorry about that, you were listing stuff :) federico1: so, to everyone - sorry for not really announcing the multiscreen hack weeks, but I've been trying to get a minimal setup going that has a chance of working for people sontek: I have a bug where my gnome things that I'm running on VGA on my laptop when i'm not federico1: decriptor: I'm not so sure about nvidia, but do test it! sontek: this was introduced in 10.3 updates and still exists in 11 decriptor: federico1: will do when beta 1 comes out federico1: oh, by the way sontek: is that a GNOME issue, or getting pushed onto xrandr/xorg ? decriptor: and maybe when finals over next week :( federico1: to anyone testing stuff, please add your configuration to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Multiscreen so that we can see who runs into what problems **vuntz installs federico's package federico1: sontek: intel chipset? jpr: federico1: is there a way to tell if you have xrandr 1.2 support? sontek: federico1: yeah decriptor: I have a question then, sax2/gnome/compiz/whoever thinks that once I've installed my nvidia drivers that I don't have a support nvidia or have 3D support enabled, but when I force it it works just fine decriptor: any ideas? sontek: federico1: I've had to do xrandr --output VGA --off for 6 months or so now :P decriptor: is that a known issue? or am I doing something wrong decriptor: or should I be filing a bug report decriptor: ? jpr: decriptor: intel? decriptor: nvidia jpr: oh decriptor: recent cards too all 8600 variation decriptor: laptop and desktop federico1: jpr: not that I know of - "xrandr -q" should list all your monitors jpr: ok munkii: decriptor: file a bug, maybe we can try to make sense of it then federico1: sontek: yeah, that's bug #343858 - it's on my hit list for the week bugbot: openSUSE bug 343858 in openSUSE 10.3 (GNOME) "gdm packages downloaded with control-center upgrade use resolution specified for external monitor" [Blocker,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=343858 jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Compiz/Xgl Config Update (rodrigo,cyberorg) | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current | Testing needed: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing jpr: cyberorg: anything to add to rodrigo's report? decriptor: ooops, sorry jumped the gun there munkii: i think he's asleep now jpr: Compiz/Xgl Config Update: jpr: * simple-ccsm change in, see the comments in this page: jpr: http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/04/15/desktop-effects-activation-compiz/ there are a few useful comments about simple-ccsm's GUI that we might want to take into account jpr: * gnome-xgl-settings about to be removed (will be tomorrow unless jpr: someone disagrees strongly) jpr: * gnome-xgl-switch has been moved to xgl (now called xgl-switch) cyberorg: where's the report? munkii: ..or watching cricket with captain_mangus munkii: ah, he's here cyberorg: ah, no, all cool **cyberorg doesn't watch TV

Speaker: sreeves suseROCKs: +1 to cyberorg for dedication, -1 to captain_magnus jpr: scott is away today munkii: cyberorg: not even cricket? c'mon! jpr: but thanks to him and stephan haas of the yast team jpr: we turned on pk for updating instead of opensuse-updater-gnome in beta 1 jpr: please test away

Speaker: rodrigo jpr: Patch upstreaming: jpr: A bit in hibernation these last 2 weeks because of SLE10 and Beta1 work, jpr: but getting back to it, so next week we should have a better report munkii: what about this thing https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=372430 bugbot: openSUSE bug 372430 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "packagekit sucks 100s of MB of thread stack space" [Blocker,Reopened] jpr: its being looked at cyberorg: rodrigo and upstream developer of simple-ccsm marex are working together and improved the patch jpr: if you note down at the bottom jpr: its virtual memory suseROCKs: SLE10 about to have a new release? jpr: so not nearly the problem of RSS jpr: suseROCKs: yes, SP2

Speaker: suseROCKS jpr: suseROCKs: ... munkii: rodrigo, do you have anything to say? suseROCKs: jpr: Off-topic, but do you think team members (not including Novellians) should have a free copy of SLE10 (with updates?) lewing: jpr: how stable/functional is beta1 munkii: ah, he doesn't, suseROCKs, your turn jpr: lewing: i have been using factory exclusively for almost 8 weeks jpr: for mail, work, everything sontek: Outside of some wpa/wireless issues, its very stable jonp: how long as mmeeks been on it? jpr: around the same time i think decriptor: I've been really impressed with it, enough that I don't want to run 10.3 anymore lewing: ok I'll install on one of the spare boxes jpr: suseROCKs: tasks... munkii: suseROCKs: you greedy bastard, no SUSE-pencils for you suseROCKs: Tasks are moved to Wiki now... Please everyone check and make sure whether those tasks are still active munkii: suseROCKs: why haven't we moved from RTM yet? suseROCKs: munkii: no I wasn't asking out of greed, but as in wondering whether SLE would benefit from us as well? If not, then no big deal. suseROCKs: munkii: I just said Tasks are moved. munkii: suseROCKs: i was just kiddin, i think they should make us shareholders munkii: eh? cool federico1: suseROCKs: in the old tasks page? suseROCKs: federico1: yes suseROCKs: I need to pick captain_magnus's brains on how he had it colorized before. suseROCKs: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Tasks munkii: suseROCKs: i'll do it :) suseROCKs: I need to not pick on captain_magnus's brain and just let munkii do it. suseROCKs: end of topic. suseROCKs: Veal will be served by jpr munkii: suseROCKs: are these all the tasks? o.0 jpr: i think they got stale in RTM jpr: hopefully this revitalizes them a bit cyberorg: is that david_r in the room? suseROCKs: I think so, but let me double-check after the meeting and make sure I didn't miss anything. suseROCKs: But yes jpr is right, they did get stale. which is why I need you all to check and validate your tasks. I'll send to ML as well. kangaroo: federico1: sorry I was gone at lunch; wassup? jpr has changed the topic to: Meeting in progress - Q&A | http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current | Testing needed: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/11.0/Testing jpr: cyberorg: apparently :-) jpr: questions? david_r: cyberorg: yes, it's me :) onestone: you're alive cyberorg: hi david_r :) sontek: I wasn't around during the desktop policy part, 2 things that annoy me in openSUSE is only 1 virtual desktop, and making all apps show up in the windows list for *all* virtual desktops by default suseROCKs: Q&A is more like M&G (Meet & Greet) :-) sontek: I saw both those on the wiki, are they being changed? cyberorg: onestone, questions? vuntz: sontek: the list on the wiki is only a list of what we changed from upstream vuntz: sontek: it's not a list of what we'll change maniac103: hi all suseROCKs: jpr any idea where we can dig up more a11y testers? I have my doubts on getting darragh's time vuntz: sontek: but it seems we might change the number of workspaces munkii: jpr: when are we going to see the new UI stuff? vuntz: sontek: no idea about the window list setting cyberorg: maniac103, ask away your questions, david_r is here :) decriptor: I'd go for at least 4 virtual desktops to start with jpr: munkii: which new UI stuff? suseROCKs: maniac103 is here? Hey maniac103! sontek: The window list setting is very annoying and is a change from upstream gnome jpr: munkii: the branding? jpr: ie the artwork? maniac103: david_r, any timeframe for getting into Compiz development again? ;-) munkii: jpr: yeppers cyberorg: opps, meeting in progress maniac103: hi suseROCKs :-) sontek: I can't think of any reason to show windows in my window list that aren't in my current desktop :P but i'm sure others use virtual desktops differently jpr: munkii: some of its already in the beta 1 tests i've seen, so by mid-next week i think sontek: so I'd love to push for that to change federico1: kangaroo: oh, you asked about Monsoon? kangaroo: federico1: YEah did jpr fill you in on the details? jpr: other questions? federico1: kangaroo: yeah, I'm asking the SoC admins what to do kangaroo: federico1: lets go to pm kangaroo: cause these issues aren't public yet suseROCKs: That's not very open-community of you :-) (just kidding) munkii: jpr: cool, can't wait :) jpr: thanks everyone!

• No tasks this week! have fun :)