**suseROCKs grabs veal from the refreshment table set up by jpr jpr: Welcome to the openSUSE GNOME meeting! munkii: ah, never mind, meeting! jpr: its two weeks to feature freeze jpr: do you know where your code is?

**munkii looks for his code FunkyPenguin: was i supposed to have some? jpr: i was going to talk about this jpr: but this was cancelled internally jpr: so...

jpr: lets here whats up in factory jpr: besides continual bootloader/grub fun vuntz: we can still say we're happy that it got cancelled, can't we? :-) jpr: yes :-) **FunkyPenguin is having major issues installing atm munkii: jpr: I was going to file a complain about that FunkyPenguin: im on my 5th attempt today munkii: FunkyPenguin: get a "real" laptop jpr: munkii: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=371618 bugbot: openSUSE bug 371618 in openSUSE 11.0 (Kernel) "kernel update breaks grub boot" [Critical,Assigned] munkii: ah, true munkii: :P jpr: also wireless problems may be https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=354141 FunkyPenguin: jpr: i wish i got that far bugbot: openSUSE bug 354141 in openSUSE 11.0 (Network) "wlan interface is called wlan0_rename_re" [Major,New] jpr: other major pieces people learned this week? suseROCKs: Maybe we shouldn't let grub and kernel have anything to do with each other. :-) suseROCKs: (that was a joke folks!) munkii: few bugs here and there, but nothing like the kernel thing psp250: wlan interface is called wlan0_rename_re, really annoying FunkyPenguin: on a usability side of things, i believe you can use packman's 10.3 repo with 11.0 munkii: FunkyPenguin: bad idea psp250: wpa_supplicant is not spawned by NM jpr: psp250: you can remove the udeve persistent rules for that jpr: psp250: ah yes, is there a bug on that? jpr: federico1 ran into it too ivanz: are you saying that there are only 2 weeks for new code to go in? ivanz: jpr: ? jpr: ivanz: yes, for features federico1: yeah, wpa_supplicant is screwed up psp250: jpr: yes, and was fixed in alpha 2 jpr: bug fixes much longer jpr: psp250: yes federico1: and probably not relevant to non-novell people, but the vpn doesn't work :) rodrigo: I'm seeing gnome-panel crashes when adding/removing the workspace switcher rodrigo: will get a backtrace next time psp250: jpr: however despite the attached bugfix and correct dbus system launch config, no wpa_supplicant is still started here sontek: federico1: "the vpn"? vpnc? munkii: jpr: then I want purpose that we add mozplugger to the default build vuntz: rodrigo: blame me, blame me! :-) jpr: psp250: yes, something with activation, because manually doing it worked rodrigo: :) **munkii blames vuntz jpr: maybe the interface name changed or something jpr: and NM needs updating vuntz: federico1: vpn via NM or command-line? jpr: psp250: make sure that gets filed and let me know, we'll track it down munkii: propose* even federico1: vuntz: via NM munkii: http://mozplugger.mozdev.org/ jpr: other stuff on factory? federico1: sontek: nope, some novell-internal thing munkii: jpr: please take a look psp250: intel gfxcard s2ram laptops should really have vbe_mode_restore as stated on http://en.opensuse.org/s2ram as vbe_post crashes X and I doubt anyone is still using old i830 & co vuntz: federico1: there's a bug about this munkii: it's pretty beneficial jpr: munkii: ok munkii: good :) psp250: dockutils scripts use smbios.... HAL keys which are deprecated vuntz: federico1: command-line works for me federico1: vuntz: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=374141 bugbot: openSUSE bug 374141 in openSUSE 11.0 (Network) "NetworkManager-novellvpn doesn't work" [Critical,New] federico1: vuntz: how do you use it on thecommand line? jpr: psp250: file, file, file federico1: I saw epiphany crashing, but didn't have debuginfo vuntz: federico1: you need to create a profile and then use nvpn -c PROFILE federico1: will try to reproduce it again federico1: vuntz: ooooh federico1: vuntz: create a profile with the applet, then run that? vuntz: federico1: you might already have the profile created, since it used to work via NM before rodrigo: vuntz: it works for you? could you send me what you use? I have always to use the java client, which only lasts 1 hour **federico1 tries jpr: lets fix NM too :-) vuntz: heh vuntz: rodrigo, federico1: I'll send you the info after the meeting federico1: vuntz: thanks :) jpr: ok suseROCKs: awww we outsiders wanted to see what happens when federico1 and rodrigo try.... jpr: in general jpr: keep testing jpr: keep reporting federico1: my problem is that a) my work machine is where I send mail; b) smtp needs the vpn; c) vpn doesn't work :) jpr: its important sreeves: vuntz: send it to me too please jpr: to make a good release

jpr: federico1: ... vuntz: sreeves: I'll send to the team, I guess federico1: ok! federico1: opensuse is participating in the google summer of code this year munkii: what about it? munkii: did we get any f our projects in there? munkii: og* federico1: you can see potential student projects here: http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2008 munkii: dang federico1: munkii: student submissions are due on Monday, so there is still time to propose projects rodrigo: I've got a student already for the BS GNOME client federico1: I have a few people asking about "making removable hard drives just work", and one for "reliable unmounting of removable media" **munkii is a student, and doesn't get it rodrigo: this student is pygi, so answer his questions when he's around :-) FunkyPenguin: would it be worth proposing something like this but for bnc http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2008/01/14/gnome-applet-for-monitoring-debian-bugs/ ? rodrigo: munkii: apply! federico1: munkii: ooooh, you can participate! suseROCKs: rodrigo do our answers have to be accurate? rodrigo: suseROCKs: as accurate as you can :-) suseROCKs: Poor kid... munkii: rodrigo: federico1: what kind of shenanigans are you trying to get me into? FunkyPenguin: vuntz: yes, but start small and then get bigger vuntz: FunkyPenguin: sure FunkyPenguin: having it work with bnc would enable it to work with any bugzilla service, just need an option to change the service federico1: munkii: write some code, win 4500 dollars :) jpr: tasque plugin for bugzilla :-) **FunkyPenguin has all these ideas but cant code to save a flea, even has ideas for a full client but doesnt know where to start suseROCKs: federico1 do students of life qualify? :-) munkii: federico1: heh! sweet! what kind of code though? any code? a shell script even? :P federico1: suseROCKs: I was thinking of taking a pottery course just to be able to apply... jpr: ok, anything else? **munkii stops being lazy and goes read the faqs

jpr: federico1: ... FunkyPenguin: vuntz: should i add it to the proposal or should it come from an employee? You are now known as munkii **suseROCKs imagines federico1 and his wife sitting in by a pottery wheel singing Unchained Melody federico1: munkii: you have to pick one of the projects from http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2008 or think of a new one for openSUSE. When you register with google, you have to write a proposal - "I want to code <this project>, and here is my plan of action". Later, the mentors will ask you for more detailed info. federico1: ok, multiscreen bug week vuntz: FunkyPenguin: you can add it federico1: this is going to be *two* weeks, not one - there's so much to do federico1: I'd love these people to participate: FunkyPenguin: ok will do federico1: - people with a laptop and a projector federico1: - people with a machine with more than one monitor connected to it federico1: I'm going to put up a wiki page to build a table of people's setups... something like suseROCKs: federico1 can it be 2 monitors connected to 2 different gfx cards? federico1: person - grapics driver(s) - number of monitors federico1: suseROCKs: yes, of course **suseROCKs loves being federico1's guinea pig rodrigo: federico1: I remember having problems with my laptop and my TV, does that count? I could test that **federico1 pats the guinea pig rodrigo: it used to work, but had some issues federico1: rodrigo: yeah, could be... does your laptop have a TV output? suseROCKs: rodrigo I have problems with my TV too. There's nothing good on TV anymore. rodrigo: yes federico1: rodrigo: cool rodrigo: suseROCKs: :) federico1: ooh, mine has one, too! federico1: w0w federico1: I'm totally putting youtube there munkii: suseROCKs: ask captain_magnus for guidance rodrigo: most new graphic cards have, so most people should be able to test, if the TV has input connection suseROCKs: munkii no... I want my machines to continue working. Riggwelter: federico1: I'm a laptop/projector (or external monitor) guy sontek: when is this bug week? sontek: I've got a laptop + project and a desktop that uses 2 monitors, but the desktop uses nvidia's drivers suseROCKs: oh yeah, I could do lappy/external monitor too... Didn't think of that. sontek: projector* vuntz: federico1: I think you opened a tracker bug, didn't you? federico1: Riggwelter: nice - the more testers, the better :) federico1: oh, yeah federico1: vuntz: the tracker bug is https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=374148 Riggwelter: federico1: And I use it a lot with work, so I'm really invested in this bugbot: openSUSE bug 374148 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "Tracker bug for multiscreen bugs" [Normal,New] jpr: federico1: do you have actual dates for this yet? federico1: and the wiki page is http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Multiscreen - I'll update it for the bug week jpr: federico1: lets set a date and get rolling federico1: jpr: I wanted to start next week, but I may need some more time to update our packages for testing - ubuntu is already packaging soeren's stuff, for example Riggwelter: federico1: Do you have prefered xorg video drivers? federico1: jpr: I also want people like soeren and bryce to be on the loop; maybe they can fix bugs for us even if not directly on opensuse psp250: federico1: multihead issues on Desktop or on X level? federico1: Riggwelter: not yet - I have to figure that out, too :) federico1: psp250: both Riggwelter: federico1: +1 for nouveau :) federico1: psp250: anything that doesn't work correctly when you have more than one monitor :) jpr: federico1: so starting april 7th then? psp250: federico1: ok, please pull my nd patches in for 11.0 ;P federico1: jpr: yeah, april 7 sounds perfect federico1: jpr: I'll start announcing this publically jpr: great **Riggwelter is on vacation that week but don't let that stop you federico1: psp250: nd? suseROCKs: federico1 since I've never connected more than one monitor on openSUSE before, perhaps in your wiki, if there's any special steps that must be done first, you could outline them before we get into hackweek Riggwelter: Mrs Rigg may object if I'm sat in Florence testing stuff :) psp250: federico1: notification-daemon, I'll bug upstream now first though federico1: suseROCKs: sure - in theory with the new X drivers and everything, you should be able to just plug in the monitor and have it Just Work Riggwelter: suseROCKs/federico1: Aim is ultimately that it "just works" as often as possible I assume? **suseROCKs wonders who this Florence chick Riggwelter is seeing. **Riggwelter buys suseROCKs a beer for that gag federico1: Riggwelter: yeah, Just Works pygi: hey jpr, I think I already know you =) jpr: psp250: i think vuntz would be interested in your n-d patches jpr: pygi: oh? jpr: good :-) Riggwelter: federico1: When I find anything that Just Works, I'll let you know :) federico1: Riggwelter: it will probably just ask you, "do you want a bigger desktop, or are you goingto give a presentation, or what?" Riggwelter: federico1: Gold! Wish every OS did that. pygi: jpr, think I bugged you before about libburnia packages in opensuse :p jpr: aha jpr: yes Riggwelter: federico1: Task-focused is good. pygi: jpr, ^_^ vuntz: psp250: yeah, send me your patches Riggwelter: federico1: Feel free to line up things for me to test when I get back from vacation if you do it that week federico1: (hmm, are the zypper repos working for anyone?) vuntz: psp250: I'm working on n-d right now federico1: Riggwelter: will do pygi: rodrigo, obviously I'm here now =) federico1: Riggwelter: thanks Riggwelter: federico1: I think Factory's rebuilding at the mo federico1: jpr: that's all from me, I think jpr: ok Riggwelter: federico1: So everything for Factory is blocked jpr: slight change in order jpr: sreeves: has to bail shortly

jpr: sreeves: ... sreeves: the existing PackageKit packages had some bugs and issues sreeves: memory leaks - have (hopefully) been fixed in the next release sreeves: annoying multiple popups on update - fixed in the next release sreeves: installing non used files - fixed in the next release pygi: suseROCKs, you mean you'd give me in-accurate answers? How rude! sreeves: I am just now submitting the next release so should be available as soon as it flows through the pipe suseROCKs: pygi it wouldn't be intentional... Anyone who knows me knows I know nothing at all! sreeves: one thing though - it requires a new version of libzypp sreeves: so that needs to also flow through the pipe cyberorg: rodrigo, one of the patch fails to apply sreeves: this release though should be pretty useable cyberorg: Patch #29 (control-center2-desktop-effects.patch) rodrigo: cyberorg: yeah, saw it, will fix it later sreeves: I would like people to test the updater when you get it cyberorg: k :) sreeves: that will be replacing the existing gnome-updater for 11.0 jpr: sreeves: you'll send a more detailed mail to the list? sreeves: yes, as soon as it's available from the repo I will send an announce email jpr: ok, thanks scott

jpr: mw: ... munkii: MW! suseROCKs: mw sontek: mw: ping! mw: yo munkii: he must be on the loo or something, moving on Riggwelter: MW - WAKE UP! Riggwelter: word munkii: oh, he's here, everybody settle mw: I don't think there's anything new to report since last week jpr: Riggwelter: i'm looking at you too for this topic Mr. G:C jpr: Riggwelter: you going to get involved? jpr: mw: just a reminder then jpr: http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/Packaging_Day Riggwelter: jpr: As much as I can, mw: remind me the dates? Riggwelter: I'll act as a clearing house for using G:C as a testing ground Riggwelter: and I can look over specs etc for budding packagers Riggwelter: some of the GNOME wishlist is already getting into G:C jpr: April 4-5 are the dates jpr: Riggwelter: thanks

jpr: mw, wolfiR :... mw: well, we haven't discussed it. but whenever's best for wolfiR should be ok for me too wolfiR: we are looking for a date? suseROCKs: is this FF for 11 only or for 10.3 as well? jpr: i think there is going to be some project wide bug squashing coming soon too sontek: one bug I've heard recently is that if you are using metacity and click a link (say from irssi) it'll move firefox to your current workspace, rather than opening the link in firefox on whatever workspace it was in sontek: I haven't used it yet to confirm that jpr: its 2.x vs 3.x squashing munkii: suseROCKs: 10.3 as well suseROCKs: Good munkii: and 10.2 if you want suseROCKs: 10.2 doesn't count. I never used it. :-) jpr: so all 10.3 and older vs 11.0 jpr: mw, wolfiR : ideas for a date? want to see what zonker proposes? wolfiR: sontek: that's known since 2.0 suseROCKs: where is zonkers anyway? jpr: any idea on how many bugs are likely to be fixed jpr: suseROCKs: not announced jpr: i'm not sure of all the details mw: yeah, i'm fine with waiting on joe wolfiR: we have to wait until FF3 gets through to factory anyway rodrigo: guys, I need to go, there are dangers of floods, so need to get some stuff out of the garage, bbl wolfiR: and probably wait for 3.0b5 jpr: wolfiR: true **munkii invites zonker to join twitter jpr: wolfiR: timeline on that? jpr: rodrigo: ok, be safe suseROCKs: Godspeed rodrigo wolfiR: jpr: an rc is currently building in BS but it won't get published yet jpr: ok wolfiR: early next week jpr: so maybe we shelve it for the next meeting or two and revisit **suseROCKs really hopes twitter doesn't catch on. I really can't keep up with these new-fangled toys jpr: AI: revisit FF 3.0 bug day in 2 weeks jpr: wolfiR, mw : good with that? munkii: suseROCKs: too late! wolfiR: sounds good; so we have the base work ready jpr: ok Riggwelter: Rigg Jr time

jpr: package drops jpr: i sent a mail on a couple of remaining drop issues, saw no response jpr: so jpr: glade-2 jpr: contact-lookup-applet jpr: stay or go? vuntz: didn't I reply? suseROCKs: hey no fair... vuntz responed! vuntz: aah Riggwelter: I'll take lookup-applet in G:C vuntz: I see someone loves me :-) jpr: oh munkii: FunkyPinguin, was that you? :P Riggwelter: I did too jpr: i missed it then suseROCKs: heh **jpr wonders what he did to the thread jpr: ok, so c-l-a to G:C jpr: what else did i miss? jpr: glade-2 comments? vuntz: kill it vuntz: destroy it suseROCKs: resurrect it jit for a while? vuntz: re c-l-a: ross told me the long-term plan was to have it die, but right now, nothing provides the same feature. It's true that deskbar is less useful in this case Riggwelter: if someone wants to put it in G:C, they're welcome to Marius: jpr: hi i have enter top at the consol, ans now =D ? Riggwelter: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-gnome/2008-03/msg00090.html jpr: Marius: after the meeting please FunkyPenguin: munkii: aye Marius: jpr: ahh np ok vuntz: jpr: it's unmaintained, and probably doesn't have the latest gtk+ widgets. But we can keep it for a while if it feels safer. jpr: ok jpr: c-l-a is in vuntz: I don't see people using it, though. glade-3 is better jpr: glade-2 is out munkii: FunkyPenguin: cool, I didn't update for a couple of days though :P jpr: vuntz: changes the xml a lot when you use it i found jpr: good, decision made vuntz: jpr: that's true Riggwelter: ok, really Rigg Jr time now - be good all

vuntz: so, hmm, no real progress on this this week. I focused on something else FunkyPenguin: tsk tsk vuntz: was planning to have something ready this afternoon, but got distracted suseROCKs: should we dock vuntz's pay? FunkyPenguin: make hime talk franglais for a day :) vuntz: there's one thing I'd love, though munkii: jpr: do we have a decision on which torrent client we will have? vuntz: we know about the policy changes in gconf vuntz: jpr sent me a small list of other policy/branding changes that are not in gconf jpr: munkii: in progress on the list vuntz: if people know about non-gconf policy changes, ping me vuntz: even if it's a change done in a hacky way in the code vuntz: eg, we patched notification-daemon to always stack notifications in a corner, even in the upstream theme. I've a package ready that changes this, so people can have upstream behavior if they want federico1: vuntz: rodrigo will know a bunch of that stuff, as he has been going through all our patches **suseROCKs hijacks the next topic to be mine since I need to get going jpr: suseROCKs: we'll just skip task review today vuntz: federico1: yep. Patch tags will help suseROCKs: jpr good cuz I had nothing to say except one week left before migration back to wiki suseROCKs: and with that... see you all later! federico1: vuntz: hpj and I had this humongous patch in nautilus to change which drives/volumes get shown on the desktop, but it's not rebased for 11.0 yet jpr: vuntz: ok, so what you were preparing will be available soon jpr: vuntz: to keep the conversation going? jpr: vuntz: we could also use the voting module in the wiki to vote for policy changes :-) vuntz: there's a voting module? jpr: yes jpr: used for people of opensuse voting vuntz: so, yeah, we could use it. Although it's generally hard to know if the result of the votes will be what your average user would want, as usual jpr: true munkii: what? "+1" is not good enough anymore? munkii: -1 for the voting module hpj: i guess voting on the basis of our perception of what average users would want is the best we can do munkii: jk, btw FunkyPenguin: vuntz: i'll respond to your needinfo request either later today, but most likely tomorrow after i've finished updating vuntz: FunkyPenguin: sure jpr: ok jpr: vuntz: anything else? vuntz: I think I'm done for this topic jpr: ok

munkii: I don't think he's here! munkii: probably watching cricket again vuntz: or sleeping :-) jpr: yes jpr: let me expand jpr: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review jpr: please add comments here jpr: after review some obvious issues and easy things to changes jpr: like no torrent client is a problem :-) sontek: its 5am in australia, tell him to get out of bed ;) jpr: add your comments, lets make a really useful system after a 1 CD install :-) sontek: FunkyPenguin just did a torrent app review vuntz: jpr: if we get free space, can we add some translations on the cd? vuntz: like... french? :-) FunkyPenguin: jpr: is that being covered now or later? i need to shoot vuntz: (or maybe it's already there, didn't try the 1 CD, iirc) jpr: problem :-) **FunkyPenguin goes to fight the children and wife sontek: I'd like to suggest gnome-do as being default in the gnome install munkii: +1 jpr: ok, in short, everyone review jpr: sontek: add to the wiki jpr: tasque, giver aren't there either sontek: I'll add them as well munkii: +1 for mozplugger too >=( jpr: well, thats more package wishlist sontek: giver is minimally useful to most people (has to be shared across lan) sontek: but tasque would be nice jpr: ok munkii: yep, so is vpn jpr: this is the kind of discussion we need in the wiki and on the mailing list jpr: :-) munkii: maybe they should be put together in a pattern jpr: lets move on jpr: except i can't set the topic atm :-) jpr: Compiz/Xgl Config Update (hpj,rodrigo,cybero jpr: cyberorg, hpj ? munkii: call it "stuff you use when you have other computers athat us gnome-gnome cyberorg: rodrigo just did a nice addition to contro-center to enable compiz jpr left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). cyberorg: it will also have a button to launch simple-ccsm munkii: ah, that was f*cked up munkii: NEXT! munkii: jpr hpj: rodrigo and cyberorg know best re. compiz/xgl config update bugbot: New openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) bug 374470 filed by james@usr-local-bin.org. bugbot: Bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=374470 Normal, P5 - None, NEW, gnome-main-menu crash jpr: cyberorg: ready for testing? jpr: cyberorg: know whats up on the sax2 front? cyberorg: jpr, except that the patch did not apply correctly :) it looks ready jpr [n=jpr@opensuse/member/Jproseve] entered the room. cyberorg: jpr, nope, nothing on sax2, aiglx is on, so very few people would need xgl, rodrigo and i are discussing the best way to handle it munkii: cyberorg: how is aiglx superior? jpr: cyberorg: i thought there were hardware considerations jpr: cyberorg: like aiglx for intel, xgl for ati jpr: nvidia native jpr left the room (quit: "Ex-Chat"). munkii: xgl is only thing I ever used with my intel card cyberorg: jpr, aiglx works with intel and fglrx both, nvidia does not need it jpr: cyberorg: ok, from the call in the fall though, I thought the X team was skeptical of aiglx cyberorg: munkii, i won't get into discussion about superior, but try playing game under Xgl :) **sontek flogs Xgl cyberorg: jpr, sndirsch confirmed that aiglx will be on jpr: ok jpr: makes things a lot easier jpr: cyberorg: any feedback from davidr? cyberorg: jpr, he is MIA jpr: ok **jpr will poke him jpr: or rodrigo and hpj should i guess jpr: nice cyberorg: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247374 bugbot: openSUSE bug 247374 in openSUSE 11.0 (X.Org) "Better AIGLX integration" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] jpr: cyberorg: cool, anything else to add? munkii: cyberorg: yeah, I thought that was true about all composite drivers cyberorg: nope, that is it, i am just updating compiz pattern on wiki munkii: cyberorg: where can I get aiglx munkii: ? cyberorg: munkii, after meeting ;) hpj: cyberorg: could you cc me on any mails you send to davidr? jpr: Q&A **munkii waits hpj: cyberorg: or forward me stuff you've sent that hasn't been sorted out jpr: no rodrigo today jpr: vuntz: would you like to pimp your upstreaming stats? vuntz: sure munkii: jpr: was he going to ask questions? cyberorg: hpj, sure, haven't sent any, emmes is always available on #opensuse-buildservice, so that is enough for me vuntz: hmm, my browser is slow, wait a second :-) vuntz: http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/srcpackage.py vuntz: http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/patch.py vuntz: so we have a script that collects many information about our packages and puts it in a db vuntz: and then we can create some webpage to display the data vuntz: those are two examples munkii: ooh, nice jpr: apparently we need some consistency in our tags jpr: PATCH-FIX-OPENSUSE jpr: PATCH-FIX-SUSE vuntz: I wasn't sure of how to display the data in an interesting way, so jpr made some suggestions: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Projects/PatchUpstreamingStats munkii: vuntz: me wants that script vuntz: I'll also create a "What should I do now?" page which will tell us: vuntz: + which packages fail to build vuntz: + which packages don't have the latest upstream version vuntz: + which packages need patch tagging jpr: vuntz: autobuild has some of that vuntz: + which packages have tons of rmplint errors **jpr finds link vuntz: etc. jpr: http://w2d.suse.de/abuildstat/ vuntz: munkii: well, the script is quite useless if you don't have access to autobuild :/ jpr: internal for all you people :-) vuntz: jpr: which link should I click? :-) munkii: vuntz: I know, I just want to mutate it for something else ;) vuntz: munkii: on the other hand, I can give access to the db so people can analyze the data munkii: vuntz: nah, I'll probably screw things up for you mario_ is now known as pygi vuntz: also, I hope it will evolve in something useful for upstream vuntz: with an easy access to the patches, eg vuntz: (until we get source.opensuse.org) jpr: ok

vuntz: so, that's it. Feedback welcome, especially on what's relevant to display jpr: questions? munkii: jpr: where did the svn gtk-installer go? I can't install it anymmore sontek: for the gnome-do inclusion as default in the gnome pattern, should I put that on the pattern wiki? Its already packaged for factory jpr: munkii: gtk-installer? munkii: that one that can manipulate repos jpr: sontek: yes, put it at the bottom as a suggested addition munkii: yast2-gtk installer jpr: ah, we are about to update it jpr: to latest svn jpr: its on svn.opensuse.org munkii: cool! love that one =) jpr: anything else? jpr: great munkii: hmm.. nope jpr: thanks all!

• AI: revisit FF 3.0 bug day in 2 weeks