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<@suseROCKs>	Ladies and Gentlemen, Good Morning, Good Afternoon, Good Evening wherever on this great Earth you are.... Welcome to the first installment of openSUSE-GNOME's Helping Hands presentation!	07:32
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<@suseROCKs>	We'll be providing weekly presentations on various topics of interest related to helping you improve your experience on the GNOME Desktop.	07:33
* vuntz	sits and listens
<@suseROCKs>	Today, for our Grand Opening event, we are extending our presentation to two hours and members of the openSUSE-GNOME team will talk about various features of GNOME and offer guidance and answer your questions.
	Our next scheduled event will be in two weeks (due to holidays and GUADEC next week) and we will have guests from the Open Office team talk about some cool effects you can use with Open Office.	07:34
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<@suseROCKs>	Before we begin, we'd like to hear from you, our visitors, about any particular topics or questions you have regarding setting up your GNOME Desktop.
	Anyone?	07:36
< Kavalor>	not yet	07:37
<@suseROCKs>	Ok, then we will turn the floor over to our Helping Hands. Helping Hands guys, any of you want to start first?	07:38
< ropiku>	ok, hope it's not stupid: Is there any way to some kind save the session of Gnome Terminal so that I'm in the same directory (and perhaps see the history) where I was before logged off ?
* Simon_c	is just watching in case he learns something.
< rodrigo_>	ropiku: AFAIK, it saves the tabs you have opened
	ropiku: but not the dirs you're in, but that should be easy to add, file a bug and we probably can fix it easily :)	07:39
< vuntz>	ropiku: saving the directory would require some communication between the shell and gnome-terminal.
< ropiku>	rodrigo_, at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ ?	07:40
< rodrigo_>	ropiku: or bugzilla.novell.com and we'll upstream it, whatever you want
< ropiku>	just asked if it is possible, thank you :)
<@suseROCKs>	ropiku: you can also submit ideas to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1
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<@suseROCKs>	In fact, I urge all of you to visit that page and add ideas as you see fit. We have a deadline for July 4 to accept idea submissions.
< vuntz>	ropiku: history will be harder, but a hack for directory is looking at /proc/$pid/cwd (you can say that in the bug report, I guess :-))	07:42
< ropiku>	vuntz, cool
<@suseROCKs>	So does everyone here have a good idea about how to use the Control Center to set up themes, fonts, and other look/feel settings?	07:43
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< Kavalor>	not really	07:45
<@suseROCKs>	Looks like we have a pretty sharp group that knows their way around GNOME then. :-)
< rodrigo_>	I'm sure they don't know all the tricks :-)	07:47
<@suseROCKs>	rodrigo_: then wow them with some new information. The floor is yours...	07:48
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< rodrigo_>	so, the 1st thing to look at is the Appearance capplet
	under Look and Feel
	it lets you select themes, or even use custom themes
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< rodrigo_>	there are many themes in opensuse 11.0 and BS repositories:	07:49
	grep themes	07:50
	gnome-themes-extras-2.22.0-6.1
	metacity-themes-0.1-709.1
	gnome-themes-2.22.0-33.1
	OpenOffice_org-icon-themes-2.4.0.14-1.1
	gtk2-themes-0.1-752.1
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< rodrigo_>	but there are more in art.gnome.org if you are not satisfied with the ones in those packages
	the themes in the Theme tab are what is called metathemes, which include metacity, GTK and icon themes	07:51
	so if you press on Customize... button, you'll be able to tweak it as you like
	btw, just go ahead with questions at any time	07:52
<@suseROCKs>	rodrigo_: for our users' benefit, is there a special procedure required for installing external themes?	07:53
< rodrigo_>	for installing new themes (metathemes, or just GTK/metacity/icon themes), use the Install... button to select the theme files downloaded from art.gnome.org
	yeah, there is ^^ :)
<@suseROCKs>	:-)
< rodrigo_>	although I would prefer to have as many as posisble themes in our gnomethemes packages
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< rodrigo_>	so maybe we should have someone review themes in art.gnome.org and propose some additions?	07:54
<@jpr>	sbrabec has published some ideas about packaging for a repo
<@suseROCKs>	That's a good idea.
< rodrigo_>	yeah
	ok, no questions about themes?	07:55
< sbrabec>	rodrigo_: jpr: I packaged separately several themes packages previously bundled with gnome-themes or so. It is not so complicated.	07:56
<@suseROCKs>	rodrigo_ or perhaps someone else, perhaps you could talk about how to change the login page theme?
< rodrigo_>	sbrabec: where are those themes?
< sbrabec>	There is an artwork project, which may host some stuff.
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< rodrigo_>	yeah, to change the login theme, just run gdmsetup as root
< sbrabec>	rodrigo_: gtk2-metatheme-industrial gtk2-metatheme-spheres-and-crystals
<@suseROCKs>	sbrabec: would having a wiki page where users can submit theme suggestions be useful?
< rodrigo_>	we need probably a link somewhere to that, or do we have one?
< sbrabec>	gtk2-theme-openSUSE
	One is in G:C, the rest is in Factory.	07:58
< rodrigo_>	yeah, nice	07:59
	yeah, we have no .desktop file for gdmsetup	08:00
	there are lots of GDM themes also at art.g.o
<@suseROCKs>	There is also www.gnome-look.org	08:01
< rodrigo_>	well, as per the Background tab on the Appearance capplet, it's straightforward, so nothing to say there, except that there are lots of very nice backgrounds in digitalblasphemy.com
	oh, yay, gnome-look is supposed to be more "official" right vuntz?	08:02
<@suseROCKs>	Does anyone have questions about the GNOME panel?	08:04
< vuntz>	rodrigo_: hrm, the official thing is art.gnome.org, I believe. Not sure what's the plan	08:05
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< rodrigo_>	any questions about more tweaking?	08:07
< Kavalor>	not atm
<@suseROCKs>	Kavalor: why don't you tell us a bit about your GNOME experience. How do you use it and what do you like/dislike about it?	08:08
< rodrigo_>	like who knows how to make your panel transparent? :-)
	and do you know you can move it to any side of the screen?	08:09
< vuntz>	auto-hiding panels can be pretty cool too, if you want to have more space on your screen
< rodrigo_>	yeah
< Kavalor>	actually i nearly exclusively use KDE but i am here to learn about GNOME . So i have nearly no experience at all.
< mw>	audohidden panels always drove me nuts
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< mw>	autohidden, even	08:10
< Kavalor>	i tried autohiding in 10.3 but did not like it
< rodrigo_>	I don't like it neither, but some people on small screen resolutions might find it useful
< vuntz>	Kavalor: what didn't you like?
<@suseROCKs>	vuntz: is there a way to customize font size in panels independent from the general GNOME font settings?
< rodrigo_>	tweaking a panel, you can have something similar to Mac OS's "panel" (don't remember the name it has right now)	08:11
< vuntz>	suseROCKs: that's a good question
< Kavalor>	The General look and Feel when i first tried it was not what i prefered but i did not tweak it much instead used KDE. The whole Menu structure i found less intuitive for me.
< vuntz>	suseROCKs: I don't think it's possible, although some applets (like the clock) make this possible	08:12
< wiske57__>	I've been told GNOME requires less system resources than KDE but is that true?
< rodrigo_>	wiske57__: it might be true, not sure
	but without real benchmark data it's hard to say
<@jpr>	would also depend what you are running, what you want to do	08:13
	etc
<@suseROCKs>	wiske57__: I think its subjective to how you use it, such as if you're using screenlets or desklets or compiz, etc.
< wiske57__>	I have been using it w/ RC1 and am just downloading final this mornring but I think I will install w/ GNOME to learn a little more.	08:14
< rodrigo_>	wiske57__: wise decision :-)
<@jpr>	you can easily install both
	as well
< wiske57__>	Yes, I may try that also.	08:15
<@suseROCKs>	wiske57__: and remember you can always come back to this channel to ask questions.
< abflex>	I've just got to say something general about gnome. I made the switch around a month ago, since i was so disapointed with KDE4 (I've always been a loyal KDE user). But its not as unconquerable as people say and looks better than kde too (imo). But I gor one problem (which isnt reallt gnome related) but I cannot find replacement for KATE and i don't like running QT appz under gnome	08:16
< wiske57__>	Have only been using Linux for about 6 months only but have mostly used KDE.
< rodrigo_>	kate is the text editor, right?
< wiske57__>	suseROCKs: Thanks!
< abflex>	yeah the advenced
< rodrigo_>	gedit doesn't fit your needs?
< abflex>	no code folding
< rodrigo_>	you have anjuta, which is an IDE, but you can just use it as an editor, with code folding	08:17
* Simon_c	uses gnome, but always uses konsole, kontact and kate on it. ...
< hpj>	there's also monodevelop, though i'm not sure it does code folding
< abflex>	okey, I might give anjuta a shot
<@suseROCKs>	abflex: one of the nice thing is we can use KDE apps here and KDE can use GNOME apps. I've never used KATE, but just tried to open it and it did open.	08:18
< abflex>	suseROCKs: I use it on gnome atm but it loosk horrible so I was looking for a gtk+ replacement	08:19
<@suseROCKs>	abflex: yes that's true, when I use KDE apps here, I have difficulty as well (especially with font sizing).
	gone is now known as mhutch	08:20
< abflex>	but I find many gnome appz to be great, x-chat is wounderfull
<@suseROCKs>	vuntz: I think you have some great tips for our clock?
< vuntz>	yeah, some people think the default look of the clock is not that great	08:21
	however, there's this hidden feature that makes it possible to format the text in many different ways
<@suseROCKs>	By the way, vuntz is the upstream maintainer of gnome-panel (correct me if I'm wrong vuntz?) so he's a great guy to discuss any panel questions with.
< abflex>	great to know =)
< vuntz>	in gconf-editor, go to /apps/panel/applets	08:22
	then you need to find the "subfolder" which is the one of the clock applet
	it might be named clock or clock_screen0
	(basically, it's the one where the bonobo_iid is OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet
	in my case, it's clock_screen9
	clock_screen0, sorry :-)	08:23
	so there's this key: /apps/panel/applets/clock_screen0/prefs/ custom_format
	I can put something like "<b>%H:%M</b> <small><span foreground="#aaaaaa">%d/%m/%y</span></sm all>" there
	and then I change /apps/panel/applets/clock_screen0/prefs/ format to "custom"
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< vuntz>	let me take a screenshot of the result
<@suseROCKs>	That's very interesting. I'm glad I learned that one, as I've been trying to change too.
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< vuntz>		08:25
<@suseROCKs>	Are you all familar with gconf-editor and what it can do for you in general?
	While we're on the subject of screen captures, here's a trick if you didn't know...	08:26
	If you press print-screen on your keyboard, your entire monitor screen will be captured in a .png file.
< mhutch>	hpj: MonoDevelop trunk has code folding, but 1.0 does not	08:27
<@suseROCKs>	If you press alt+print-screen, only the active window will be captured to a png file.
< hpj>	mhutch: thanks, good to know
< Simon_c>	Is there any kind of central source that documents what all the keys do in the gconf ? I often find hints here and there about gconf settings for some apps and the desktop, and then can never find them again.
	suseROCKs: Any way to capture a selectable area ?	08:28
< abflex>	suseROCKs: where can i find the image?
<@suseROCKs>	Simon_c: for more custom options for screen capturing, you may want to use the feature in GIMP.	08:29
< vuntz>	Simon_c: if you open gconf-editor and look at a key, you'll get a description of the role of the key
<@suseROCKs>	abflex: once the image is taken, a dialogue box pops up asking you where you want to save it to.
< vuntz>	Simon_c: but I'm not sure there's a central source. Maybe a few users could start ne?
	Simon_c: (at least, for settings that people like to change)
<@suseROCKs>	I would surmise, because each app sets its own keys, it would be difficult to truly create a central repository of information. But that's just an opinion of mine.	08:30
< Simon_c>	vuntz: I was hoping the other way round. Somewhere I can search to say, find out how too add an extra item to the list of direcotries in the file save box, or how to always have the location line on in the file manager.
<@suseROCKs>	Simon_c: what have been some of the common tasks you wanted to do in gconf?	08:31
< Simon_c>	find out how too add an extra item to the list of direcotries in the file save box, or how to always have the location line on in the file manager.	08:32
< vuntz>	Simon_c: yeah, I understood. That's why I suggest that it's something that users who like to tweak things should do because they are the ones who know what they like to tweak :-)
< Simon_c>	:)
< vuntz>	Simon_c: an easy first step is a wiki page, and I'm sure it can get some good promotion after a while	08:33
< abflex>	how do I open nautilus without using "browser mode"
	I'd like to open my windows that way except when I want browser
< Simon_c>	vuntz: Sounds good. A section for people to ask how to do things may/maynot work too.
<@suseROCKs>	Simon_c: I'll be happy to set up a wiki page (or you can too). If you join the opensuse-gnome mailing list then we can be aware of the page when it is ready.	08:34
< vuntz>	suseROCKs is faster than me :-) Simon_c, if you want to help with this, we can certainly help you start	08:35
	abflex: so you want the spatial mode by default?
< abflex>	yes vuntz
< vuntz>	abflex: go in the nautilus preferences	08:36
< nareshov>	abflex: try geany
< Simon_c>	suseROCKs: there's already far too many mailing lists I don't read. I'm not sure on the usefulness of adding another one to my mail client :)
< nareshov>	not sure if it has code-folding, just check it up.
< vuntz>	abflex: in the second tab, there's an option "always open windows in browser mode" (or something like this -- I'm using french right now -))
	abflex: just uncheck the option, and voila!
	abflex: I must say that using spatial mode is a good choice (I love it)	08:37
< abflex>	vuntz: tried that already and it dosn't make no difference
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< vuntz>	abflex: how do you open nautilus?
< abflex>	vuntz: I've used debian for years and I'm used to the spatial mode
< nareshov>	How do I set a system-wide font DPI and stuff like the hinting settings?
< abflex>	vuntz: terminal: nautilus	08:38
<@suseROCKs>	vuntz or abflex: For users who aren't familiar, can you tell them what the difference between browser and spatial mode is?
< vuntz>	abflex: that's weird, it works here
< rodrigo_>	abflex: double clickin g on a folder on the desktop does still open in browser mode?
< abflex>	suseROCKs: spatial mode is w/o any icons or trees
< nareshov>	spatial mode - http://www.gnome.org/projects/nautilus/i mages/screenshot1.png \| browser mode - http://www.gnome.org/projects/nautilus/i mages/screenshot2.png	08:39
< abflex>	rodrigo_: no that worked, lol
< vuntz>	spatial mode is a bit more than that
	abflex: maybe nautilus is an alias in your shell? (to nautilus --browser)
< abflex>	vuntz: I know but what I was trying to say is that its more bare boned
< vuntz>	in spatial mode, a folder "matches" a window
	abflex: just trying to explain a bit more :-)	08:40
< abflex>	okey =)
	sorry then
<@suseROCKs>	nareshov: if you go to control center > Look and Feel > Fonts > Details, you can set the system wide DPI there.
< vuntz>	so once you open a folder, you can move the window, resize it, scroll in there, etc. The next time you will open the folder, the window will be in the exact same state
<@suseROCKs>	as well as Hinting in there as well.
< vuntz>	most people find it quite frustrating at first
< nareshov>		08:41
< vuntz>	but it's actually really great once you've tried this for a while
	abflex: and don't be sorry :-)
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<@suseROCKs>	nareshov: in that case, let's ask our resident GDM expert... hpj!
< abflex>	nareshov: I tried geany out and it was great
< nareshov>	good ^^
< abflex>	thanks	08:42
< vuntz>	abflex: so, is nautilus an alias in your shell?
< abflex>	yep
< vuntz>	abflex: ah, then you found the issue? :-)
< hpj>	i think font DPI is hardcoded in GDM
< abflex>	yeah
	that sorted it, dunno why it was that though
< nareshov>	abflex: also, if you're interested - there's a distributed editor called gobby ( http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ )
	hpj: no way I can edit some config file somewhere?	08:43
< hpj>	nareshov: i don't think so, but let me look again
< nareshov>	On debian I could set system-wide (all users) autohinting with 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config'
< abflex>	nareshov: I'm a text editor freak I normally have many installed and I like trying out new ones	08:44
< nareshov>	with that, both GDM and gnome desktop had a uniform font hinting
	abflex: you've given up on emacs/vim? :)
< abflex>	I still use emacs sometime	08:45
	but it looks horrible and it slows down the work pace
	I mean our most precious resource is time:)	08:46
< nareshov>	lol
<@suseROCKs>	So out of curiousity, for those of you on the GNOME Desktop... quick survey, what's the email client you mostly use?	08:47
< abflex>	suseROCKs: thunderbird
< nareshov>	I was a KDE user until a few weeks ago, used Kontact extensively. Just configured Evolution now, it isn't that bad. Although I wish the keyboard navigation were a little more convenient.	08:48
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<@suseROCKs>	nareshov: the Evolution team is definitely focused on making the client even more usable. Speak up with them and they'll hear you!	08:49
< nareshov>	sure, will do.
<@suseROCKs>	<SHAMELESS HELPING HANDS PLUG-IN> In three weeks, members of the Evolution Team will be presenting "10 things you didn't know about Evolution"
	And don't ask me what those 10 things are, because I don't know yet either. :-)	08:50
< decriptor>	suseROCKs: you are shameless :P
<@suseROCKs>	Ahh... Everyone say hello to decriptor, our resident Helping Hands Xen expert.	08:51
< decriptor>	suseROCKs: I thought you were going to cut back on the heavy drinking in the morning :P
< nareshov>	Hi
< hpj>	nareshov: it looks like you can't tell GDM what screen DPI to use - it gets that property from the X display
	nareshov: however, you can change the font sizes it uses by creating your own theme	08:52
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< hpj>	nareshov: or copying an existing theme and modifying the copy
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< nareshov>	hpj: well, the X display isn't getting the right DPI from my laptop (Fedora does it right). opensuse's X has been setting 96 instead of my screen's actual DPI = 107 :\|	08:53
< hyperactivecrond>	it appears gtk-window-decorator does nothing with nvidia-legacy drivers for my setup in 11
	i installed off of the gnome livecd
< hpj>	nareshov: sounds like something for a bug report
< nareshov>	oh o.o	08:54
< hyperactivecrond>	the desktop effects manager doesn't show titlebars in my setup when i check 'enable'f or some reason
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<@suseROCKs>	Seems like nareshov has alot of bug reports to file. :-)
< hpj>	nareshov: if you file it, mention in the bug report that fedora gets it right
< nareshov>	:D
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< nareshov>	okay
< hpj>	nareshov: thanks! :)
< hyperactivecrond>	hmm emerald doesn't even do anything
<@jpr>	and federico1 is the best person to discuss the DPI detection :-)
< nareshov>	yw :)	08:55
< hyperactivecrond>	is this a problem with x11 and my nvidia-legacy driver? i have to use legacy because i've got a geforcce4mx420
	not exactly new
< rodrigo_>	hyperactivecrond: what does 'CM_DRY=yes compiz-manager' show on a terminal
	?
< nareshov>	found one - https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi ?id=168189
< bugbot>	openSUSE bug 168189 in openSUSE 11.0 (GNOME) "gdm should have a dpi of 96 by default" [Normal,New]
< hyperactivecrond>	bash: compiz-manage: command not found
	hehe
< nareshov>
< hyperactivecrond>	to Yast I go to install
< rodrigo_>	manager :-)
<@jpr>	compiz-manage or compiz-manager ?	08:56
< rodrigo_>	hyperactivecrond: so you activated compiz without having it installed it seems to me
< nareshov>	compiz-manager
< rodrigo_>	compiz-manager
< hyperactivecrond>	rodrigo_, shouldn't the livecd install it for itself
	ok well i get a bunch of errors when i try compiz-manager
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< hyperactivecrond>	ok so no kwin, no fusion-icon, no Xgl	08:57
< cyberorg>	hyperactivecrond, http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz_Troublesho oting
< rodrigo_>	when this happens, you can easily get back to the previous wm by:
	$ metacity --replace	08:58
< hpj>	nareshov: yeah, the right fix is to get X to report the right DPI to GDM in the first place, so it doesn't use the default
< hyperactivecrond>	rodrigo_, heh i just unchecked it
< rodrigo_>	or uncheck it yes
< hpj>	nareshov: i'm looking at that code now
< nareshov>	hpj: until then I could live with providing -dpi 107 as args to the Xserver?
< hpj>	nareshov: it queries the X atom "RESOURCE_MANAGER" and looks for the string "Xft.dpi" in there
< rodrigo_>	hyperactivecrond: so, seems your card is not supported, or you are using the wrong driver, it seems	08:59
< hyperactivecrond>	i ran the nvidia-xconfig tool, let me kill X; i'll brb
< nareshov>	hpj: so this DPI thing has a temporary workaround with that. How about system-wide hinting settings then? (like debian's 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config')
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< hpj>	nareshov: i don't know that that does on debian
< Chapoolin>	In a functional schematic overview, what's the concept for associating file types with programs in Gnome? For instance, in an Object Oriented model desktop manager, a program object is created, and then a list of file types--by .extension, or some other means--is declared in a box in the properties of the program object. What's the concept in Gnome?
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< hyperactivecrond>	ok the second nvidia-xconfig command gives me an error but the first one works
	that fixed it
< nareshov>	hpj: http://books.google.co.in/books?id=M66WO fYoULYC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=dpkg-recon figure+fontconfig-config&source=web&ots= aTiZwQUxYi&sig=tXEQRBobqf-ORi3z0LNBYvLzu kc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct =result	09:02
< hyperactivecrond>	emerald even works
	heh (sacrelige): i put the human theme on for emerald. now it looks like ubuntu	09:03
<@suseROCKs>	That sounds inhuman. :-)
< rodrigo_>	:)	09:04
< hpj>	nareshov: aha - i don't think we have a configurator for that,, but there might be a way to do it
< hyperactivecrond>	well, that worked. i was afraid the livecd didn't install something correctly
<@suseROCKs>	Well guys, we have about 30 minutes left in our extended Helping Hands session today. And the experts are here to answer your questions, so speak up.
< hpj>	nareshov: go to /etc/fonts/conf.d	09:05
< hyperactivecrond>	is there any way to install the complete ccsm on 11?
< nareshov>	ok
	hpj: i'm there
< hpj>	nareshov: there, you can ln -s ../conf.avail/file.conf NN-file.conf
	nareshov: not literally
	nareshov: find the files representing the options you want in ../conf.avail/ first	09:06
< nareshov>	okay
< hpj>	nareshov: and symlink those into conf.d
	nareshov: there's a README file in conf.d
< nareshov>	yes
< Chapoolin>	How do I pass -options to executable of objects in "Application Browser" and "Control Center" panels?
< hpj>	nareshov: for instance, there's 10-autohint.conf
< rodrigo_>	hyperactivecrond: install compiz or simple-ccsm/ccsm should pull all dependencies afaik
< hpj>	nareshov: so ln -s ../conf.avail/10-autohint.conf 10-autohint.conf	09:07
< nareshov>	ah, awesome
< hpj>	nareshov: might get you hinting
< nareshov>	yep
< hpj>	:)
< nareshov>	:)
< federico1>	nareshov: are you having DPI issues?
	nareshov: I'm going to look into that for openSUSE 11.1
< nareshov>	federico1: I want the Xserver to automatically probe what the screen supports and use that	09:08
* suseROCKs	predicts federico1 will be a very busy man the next few months.
< nareshov>	federico1: it appears that opensuse right now uses 96 as a default
	federico1: actually, it's mispredicted methinks	09:09
< federico1>	nareshov: the GNOME code actually uses what your screen reports (well, what the X server reports). However, SaX may have set up a different default DPI, and that's what GNOME ends up using
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< nareshov>	grep res shows me resolution: 96x75 dots per inch
< federico1>	nareshov: can you paste the output of xdpyinfo somewhere?
<@suseROCKs>	I have a question for Application Browser. Is there a way, after I have installed more apps from the repos, to put them in my own custom category in AB?
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< nareshov>	federico1: sure, one moment
	federico1: http://dpaste.com/hold/59520/	09:10
< federico1>	suseROCKs: alacarte should do that	09:11
	nareshov: dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (340x270 millimeters)
< nareshov>	that's right
< federico1>	nareshov: is that accurate? does your screen have those physical measurements?
< nareshov>	yes
	WS laptop	09:12
	what I don't get is how can the resolution be 96x75 dpi o.o
* hpj	goes to take a shower	09:13
< federico1>	so that's 95.62 x 75.26 DPI
< nareshov>	oh
	federico1: one moment	09:14
	federico1: i was wrong
< federico1>	25.41280/340, 25.4800/270
< nareshov>	federico1: the resolution is 1280x800
	federico1: but screen size isn't, it's a 14" laptop
	vertical length is ~190cm	09:15
	horizontal is 340
	190mm*
<@suseROCKs>	well Folks, we have 15 minutes left in this Helping Hands session if you have any questions.	09:16
< federico1>	hmmmmmmm
<@suseROCKs>	A transcript of today's event will be posted to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos shortly.
< federico1>	nareshov: you know what, I'm not actually sure where X gets those numbers from
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< Kavalor>	No i dont have any question but i learned a lot about GNOME - thank you and i will try to attend again next time.
< federico1>	in my machine, what xdpyinfo reports is different from what is in my xorg.conf as generated by SaX
< nareshov>	:<
<@suseROCKs>	Kavalor: thank you for stopping by. Our door is always open here at opensuse-gnome.
< Kavalor>	Thanks i appreciate that
<@suseROCKs>	Though some of us may sneak out the back door from time to time :-)
< Kavalor>	which i can certaily understand - 24/7 is so hard to keep up :-)	09:18
< Chapoolin>	what do dpi 96, or 112 mean on my monitor which is .25 dot pitch mask?
< Kavalor>	depictor: is there also an opensuse-xen channel ?	09:19
< nareshov>	25.4*800/190 =~ 107
	96x107? o.o	09:20
* rodrigo_	needs to leave now, bbl
<@suseROCKs>	Kavalor: yes just type /join #opensuse-xen
< AlbertoP>	http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2008/06/sham e-ubuntu-shame.html ??
< Chapoolin>	isn't the maximum dpi that .25 dot pitch accomodates the best resolution possible?	09:21
< Kavalor>	suseROCKS: thx i will drop by sometimes	09:22
<@suseROCKs>	At this point, now, I will start wrapping up our event. You can continue to ask questions after the close of the event.	09:24
	Transcript of today's event will be posted in about 2 hours at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos
	This afternoon, I will also post the next two scheduled events	09:25
	The next scheduled event is openOffice on July 11th.
	The one after that will be Evolution on July 18th
< lewing>	so the pulse esound module is preventing all my apps from starting again
	is there any actual fix for that?	09:26
<@suseROCKs>	We would love for you all to visit the pages and suggest topics of interest to you.
	Today's event was a general session, but future topics will be targeted to a specific focus.
< nareshov>	federico1: incidentally, 107 also happens to be my PPI	09:27
<@suseROCKs>	Thank you ALL for coming here today and making our first event a big success.
	You all are entitled to a free download of openSUSE 11.0 :-)
	This concludes today's event officially. But our experts are always around to help you. Thank you again.	09:29

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