Education/Meetings/Education Meeting 2009-03-24/transcript

<aochs> SLEducator:ok, please start the meeting <aochs> hi <anubisg1> IS SOMEBODY MISSING? CAN WE START? ANY PROBLEMS? <SLEducator> Well, the lat meeting we had as a major topic, branding , what is the news <kkirill> anubisg1, cool, I haven't known that transaltion is readly yet <kkirill> I'll check it tonight <anubisg1> ok... <anubisg1> now please... be quite <kkirill> ok <anubisg1> SLEducator : feel free to talk <anubisg1> :-) <SLEducator> Ok so we are all here that will be here?> <anubisg1> i hope so <aochs> I thing so ;-) <anubisg1> then i think we can start --> mar mar 24 18:08:26 CET 2009

<SLEducator> Lars , mentions status of 1.0 <SLEducator> http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/test/11.1/ <SLEducator> waits for testers. <SLEducator> Please have a look at the following interesting parts/packages and tell <SLEducator> me if anything is still wrong there, so I can fix it as soon as <SLEducator> possible: <SLEducator> * patterns should be preselected/installed now <SLEducator> * an Online Update Channel (openSUSE-Education Updates) should be added <SLEducator> to your "Software-Repositories" (disabled and currently empty) <SLEducator> * Package upgrades because of bugfixes in our bugzilla: <SLEducator> brainworkshop <SLEducator> exelearning <SLEducator> Scratch <SLEducator> SciLab <SLEducator> GeoGebra <SLEducator> ktechlab <SLEducator> childsplay <SLEducator> gcompris <SLEducator> python-numpy <SLEducator> * Additional package upgrades/fixes: <SLEducator> avogadro (upgrade) <SLEducator> fbreader (upgrade) <SLEducator> fet (upgrade, now with desktop entry) <SLEducator> gambas2 (upgrade, packaging bug fixed) <SLEducator> gcalctool (upgrade) <SLEducator> ghemical (upgrade) <SLEducator> gnome-chemistry-utils (upgrade) <SLEducator> gramps3 (upgrade) <SLEducator> italc (italc-launcher bug fixed) <SLEducator> kiwi-desc-ltsp (upgrade) <SLEducator> kiwi-ltsp-bootimages (upgrade) <SLEducator> kiwi-ltsp-prebuilt (upgrade) <SLEducator> koha (upgrade) <SLEducator> lapack (upgrade) <SLEducator> ibatlas3 (upgrade) <SLEducator> ltsp-server (upgrade) <SLEducator> moodle (package bugfixes) <SLEducator> mopac7 (upgrade) <SLEducator> marble (upgrade) <SLEducator> stellarium (upgrade) <SLEducator> tuxmath (upgrade) <SLEducator> tuxtype (upgrade) <SLEducator> wine (upgrade) <SLEducator> * New packages <SLEducator> cademia 1 <SLEducator> controlaula 2 <anubisg1> list is too long. can you pastebin it please? <SLEducator> gbrainy 1 <SLEducator> iTest-client 1 <SLEducator> iTest-server 1 <SLEducator> inotify-tools 2 <SLEducator> ltsp-controlaula 2 <SLEducator> openadmin 2 <SLEducator> opendict 1 <SLEducator> opensuse-education-tools 1 <SLEducator> scilab (see bugfix  ;-) 1 <SLEducator> stopmotion 1 <SLEducator> tablix2 1 <SLEducator> 1=should IMO be tested and included in the final release <SLEducator> 2=should IMO be tested - but not included in the final release as it <SLEducator> needs more work <SLEducator> ^^ as you can see - our packagers are very hard-working to bring you the <SLEducator> best packages ever. Now we have to see if everything works as <SLEducator> expected - YOUR turn!  ;-) <SLEducator> OOPS SORRy <SLEducator> wrong doc <SLEducator> We are trying to move to a full 1.0 release <SLEducator> but need testing results, yes? <SLEducator> As I said , OOPS worng document location <anubisg1> well.. first issue... <anubisg1> scilab came from packman.. tha means built on blas and lapack from OSS <anubisg1> blas and lapack from suse-edu are newer so looks like we need to recompile it... <anubisg1> i can do it on my building farm... <anubisg1> if you agree <SLEducator> sounds like your the expert <anubisg1> i'll use OSS, NON-OSS, updates, suse-edu (and ONLY missing build-dependencies from packman) <kkirill> if it gives some addditional advantages please do it <SLEducator> yes please <anubisg1> ok, then i'll do it, i checked and we have a depencies issues we i install scilab and have bs edu repo <anubisg1> going on... <anubisg1> avogadro 0.9.2 <anubisg1> i tested.. it works fine.. but i wasn't able to add python support <anubisg1> let me find bug numb r.. <anubisg1> 1 moment <anubisg1> http://devzilla.novell.com/education/show_bug.cgi?id=59 <anubisg1> i googled a lot, looks to be a know python bug (same errors with python 2.3 for example) <anubisg1> but i wasn't able to find the fix <aochs> anubisg1: sorry, youn can't build scilab on the buildservice? <anubisg1> aochs : no i can't , there are some dependencies with "strange" license that we cannot host <anubisg1> on BS <aochs> hm <aochs> ok <anubisg1> btw <anubisg1> going back to avogadro <anubisg1> http://devzilla.novell.com/education/show_bug.cgi?id=59 <anubisg1> will be nice to add python support.. is enabled by default <anubisg1> even if you can disable <anubisg1> that means is good enought to be added <anubisg1> any ideas on fixes? <anubisg1> is just a "linking" problem on library <kkirill> or revert back to stable version <anubisg1> kkirill: 0.9.2 is latest stable release <anubisg1> the issue is not "strictly" related to avogadro <anubisg1> as told is a bug that i found also with python 2.3 <anubisg1> with a lots of other applications <kkirill> does 0.9.1 work well in openSUSE& <anubisg1> yes, 0.9.2 works well too.. as told only python support is missing (in both versions) <kkirill> hmm, I have no idea <anubisg1> IMHO we can ship it without python support and add it later in "update repo" <anubisg1> (btw, please refer to bugzilla entrie for details) <anubisg1> http://devzilla.novell.com/education/show_bug.cgi?id=59 <anubisg1> agree? <aochs> ship it without python support <anubisg1> all : ping :) <anubisg1> ok perfect <anubisg1> i have nothing else to report about it now.. <SLEducator> Not worth putting packages in this that aren't easy to install <anubisg1> feel free to report everything else <SLEducator> I can't seem to be able to report bugs <SLEducator> I have talked to the webmaster team <SLEducator> I don't get patterns under gnome <SLEducator> has anyone tested the add on process? <anubisg1> not yet sorry... <SLEducator> I think we need to concentrate on the installation process and let the packages we can't fix of completely include in an easy to install fashion sit in the bs <anubisg1> agreee <SLEducator> I have been wondering when we would start seeing the 4 patterns during the YaST session of installation <anubisg1> 2 e btw :-P <anubisg1> mmmm.. you should be able to see it immediatly after you add the repo <anubisg1> also when you go to customize package selection <SLEducator> as of now nothing shows up <SLEducator> 2 e ? <anubisg1> ok, 'll investigate <SLEducator> I'm only speaking of gnome, btw <kkirill> I'm gnome user too and they are shown for me for OS 11 and OS 11.1 <SLEducator> during the install ? when calling for add on product? <kl_eisbaer> heya - any news? :-) <anubisg1> if you talk during installation time, is a bug of course, if not, i'm sorry, but even if i use gnome with suse 11.1 i hate gtk version and i use QT version.. <kkirill> during install I've checked only in 11.0 <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: the patterns are not listed in the overview screen, just if you click on the software selection <SLEducator> I did that <kl_eisbaer> that's why I'm asking you for a bugzilla including screenshots and y2logs <SLEducator> I still can't log in <kl_eisbaer> if devzilla is not working for you, please use bugzilla.novell.com and assign the bug directly to me <SLEducator> ok <kl_eisbaer> BTW: anubisg1: I've currently flexdock jgoodies-forms jgoodies-looks2 laf-plugin skinlf (and scilab) from packman <anubisg1> check to the top of the page.. i have to rebuild it on my build farm <kl_eisbaer> anubisg1: yes, read that - was just FYI to avoid more rebuilds than needed <anubisg1> to fix blas/lapack issues, due yto and upgraded version on Edu-repo than OSS one <SLEducator> anubisg1: would you please verify my installation woes by using the default yast system? <anubisg1> sure <SLEducator> TY <kl_eisbaer> anubisg1: I tried scilab - works for me here. <kl_eisbaer> anubisg1: but perhaps you've special testcases for lapack/blas? <anubisg1> the issue come from blas 3.2.something <anubisg1> OSS provides 3.1.something and scilab looks depends on it <anubisg1> or at least lapack depends on blas, and scilab on lapack <anubisg1> i have to check better, but i have that problem.. <anubisg1> repos have <anubisg1> OSS, NON-OSS, Updates; Packman, OBS:Education <kl_eisbaer> anubisg1: but - again: scilab runs here with blas3.2 - any testcase where it crashes? <anubisg1> i have dependencies issues i cannot upgrade blas and lapack without UN-install scilab <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488338 is best I can do <anubisg1> before leave, can i spent 2 words on Education:Salome:Factory <SLEducator> sure <anubisg1> as you should already know <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: Please read http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs/YaST <kl_eisbaer> and attach y2log and screenshots <SLEducator> I did <SLEducator> I Zipped all the docs and screenshots <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: please attach them to the bug <SLEducator> I did <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: no, sorry, I see no attachment for the bug <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: look now <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: ahhh! thanks! :-) <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: I can't even read links to devzilla entries

<SLEducator> did we get anywhere with the branding? <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: any progress with the branding? <The_Code> i took a look at some of the branding packages <The_Code> i focused on the gnome branding packages <The_Code> but i have not yet achieved any results that could be shown <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: sad :-( <kl_eisbaer> Question: should we create a separate diretory in SVN containing some images? <kl_eisbaer> and/or should we just start packaging in OBS? <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, that is something i wanted to suggest so that we have one point where we can find artwork <anubisg1> i'm not understanding well what's the problem with branding packages really... <The_Code> i hope to have a first gconf and gdm branding package end of the week <The_Code> and maybe bootsplash <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: home- or Education-Repo? <The_Code> home at first i think <kl_eisbaer> hm - every time I think of our current development process (hint: developer wiki ;-) <kl_eisbaer> I'm more and more prefering the Education OBS-Repo for *developing* stuff <kl_eisbaer> so we've everything in one place <SLEducator> mmmhmm <kl_eisbaer> This would give us extremly more testers :-) <kl_eisbaer> ...and people wanting stable stuff can always use the stable repo <kkirill> and then we should mark it as highly experimental :) <anubisg1> OBS:Education:UNSTABLE ? <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: why? I think most of the stuff in the repo is in a good shape - just single apps maybe broken <kkirill> then people will commit changes before testing packages using home projects <kl_eisbaer> With out external frozen repo, we already provide the "best bread" applications <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: well, right <kl_eisbaer> is such a guy commiting test packages to the Education repo directly for example *outing* ;-) <kl_eisbaer> it makes development easier, as you didn't have thousends of repositories enabled on your test-machine <kkirill> no problem, I'd like to do in the same way <kl_eisbaer> so you know where a bad package comes from <kl_eisbaer> So for me it would be finally: <kl_eisbaer> * OBS-Education repo is *development* <kl_eisbaer> including that packagers should do their best to submit always working packages ;-) <kl_eisbaer> * OS-EDU frozen repo is for endusers <kl_eisbaer> including tested packages from the OBS-Edu repo <kl_eisbaer> But again - feel free to kick me to another line ;-)

<anubisg1> i' working on Salome: http://www.salome-platform.org/home/presentation/overview/ <anubisg1> it's a greate project but is old, and code looks need a clean up <anubisg1> right know i need help from DEVELOPERS more than packagers <anubisg1> for example, on suse 11.0 i need some x86_64 patches <anubisg1> and on suse 11.1 i need patches to make Salome able to compile on boost 1.36 (the one suse 11.0 ship) <anubisg1> or add boost 1.34 in the repo <kl_eisbaer> BTW: anyone working on the R-packages right now? <anubisg1> any way,Salome looks to work preatty fine on suse 11.0 where almost all the packages are ready for test <kl_eisbaer> anubisg1: oh no, please no boost ;-) <anubisg1> :) <anubisg1> i know i know, but we need any way >:P <anubisg1> so.. any one can help me? <anubisg1> i'm not a developer, right now, i'm not able to going on (excluding spec files fix and clean up) <anubisg1> i hve to run away now... please mail on mailing list or directly to me --> andrea[at]opensuse[dot]org (about salome) ok? <kl_eisbaer> anubisg1: FOSDEM? <anubisg1> yeeaas? <kl_eisbaer> Can you send your "review" to the mailinglist, please? <kl_eisbaer> ...and perhaps even the current status of the Edu-Live-CD <anubisg1> ok i'll do <SLEducator> I have to go also . any thing else for me? <anubisg1> bye, sorry if i have to leave <anubisg1> ciao! <SLEducator> ciao <kl_eisbaer> ciao <kl_eisbaer> ok - if I'm right, we're at the "Old action items" topic, right? <SLEducator> yup <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: any news from LTSP? <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, i have news regarding easy-ltsp <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: have you seen the package updates in the 11.1 repo? <kl_eisbaer> are they ok for you? <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ok, please start :-) <The_Code> last week some enhancement requests were filed against easy-ltsp <The_Code> after a small discussion in #kiwi-ltsp <The_Code> we decided that it would be a good idea to completly rewrite easy-ltsp <The_Code> to get more distributions to use it and integrate some new features <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: ups? <kl_eisbaer> rewrite? why? <kl_eisbaer> Mono? <kl_eisbaer> ;-) <The_Code> in short yes mono, other distros aren't using it because of mono <The_Code> and so i started to rewrite easy-ltsp in python <The_Code> so look forward to first versions of easy-ltsp-ng :) <SLEducator> cool <The_Code> we also hope that we can get more contributions when using python <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: great! :-) <kl_eisbaer> just one question (you remember my questions during GsoC ;-) <kl_eisbaer> what about a "generic lib" which can be used by many GUIs like YaST or wxGTK ? <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: and please have a look at augeas <kl_eisbaer> => http://augeas.net/ <The_Code> i am currently using pygtk, i am trying to split the ui from the real logic, so if there are python bindings to another ui it can be integrated <kl_eisbaer> Fedora and openSUSE people are already in the boat and using this <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, ok i will have a look at it <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: i'm on my way out. I have and will be doing marketing,testing, and openSIS \ Moodle integration <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.terminal-server.devel/2008-05/msg00004.html <SLEducator> leave me any instructions in e-mail <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: ok - bye bye <The_Code> bye SLEducator <SLEducator> bye

<kl_eisbaer> anyone else with important news/Action Items <kl_eisbaer> ? <kkirill> not important, but I continue translating wiki pages, e.g., http://en.opensuse.org/TuxMathScrabble <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: that's VERY important! <kl_eisbaer> Thank you! <kkirill> And finally updated template in http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Wiki <kl_eisbaer> is it possssible you send a list of your currently updated wiki pages to the mailinglist? <kl_eisbaer> So anyone can see the current status? <kkirill> yes, it is only 3 new pages, but they have more detailed description <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: == Shortcuts == => what about commandline options? <kl_eisbaer> kkirll: which makes it more and more important to get some "dumper" script up and running to transform the wiki pages into xml ... <kl_eisbaer> taking this as my long term action item ;-) <kkirill> do you think that command line options are important? <kkirill> if it is really the case for some specific appliation one can add info into getting started section <kl_eisbaer> kkirll: sometimes, not always <kl_eisbaer> for gcompris, they are important, for example <kl_eisbaer> but yes, I think it's ok to leave them out per default <kkirill> I think there is no sense to copy manuals like http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual into our pages <kkirill> what do you think <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: no - not really. Better to link to the standard material <kl_eisbaer> (for gcompris I wrote the german manual in our wiki, transfered it into the upstream wiki and linked to this page in our wiki afterwards as extrem example ;-) <kkirill> I think we should take only some important parts from official manuals (tutorials) <kkirill> and provide links for furhter information <kl_eisbaer> I'm a friend of examples - and afterwards (or in the topic) pointing to the official manual <kl_eisbaer> yes, exactly <kkirill> ok, so usage will be quick start example for comlex application <kl_eisbaer> yes <kkirill> I'll continue my work in this direction <kl_eisbaer> big thanks! <kkirill> I'm glad to help :) <kkirill> kl_eisbaer, will you include littlewizard-exampels, xiphos and updated ignuit also in final DVD? <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: now, as you requested them.... <kl_eisbaer> littlewizard-examples-20071206-2.1.noarch.rpm <kl_eisbaer> xiphos-3.0.1-2.2.i586.rpm <kl_eisbaer> ignuit-0.0.12-1.10.i586.rpm <kl_eisbaer> those ok? <kkirill> yes <kl_eisbaer> have a look at the download/test/11.1 repo... ;-) <kkirill> where it is? <kkirill> I'm always using Edu BS <kkirill> for testing <kl_eisbaer> add http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/test/11.1/ <kl_eisbaer> as repository <kl_eisbaer> this includes patterns and license dialog <kkirill> thanks, it has all these packages <kl_eisbaer> jip, and I'll try to keep this as "next frozen" repo <kl_eisbaer> hopefully just with a fix for scilab, if needed <kl_eisbaer> so we can - hopefully - finish our 1.0 release on all currently available openSUSE distries soon.... <kkirill> and I will be able to download final Edu add-on bugsfree <kkirill> and no need with updates :) <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: yes, hopefully ;-) <kl_eisbaer> but for the ugly case, just enable our update repo ;-)

<kl_eisbaer> ok - looks like we can end the official "meeting" ? ;-) <The_Code> i think so <kkirill> me too <kl_eisbaer> ok - time for me to go to our SLE11 Release-Party here <kkirill> good luck <kkirill> bye all <The_Code> bye <kl_eisbaer> bye!

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