Education/Meetings/Education Meeting 2009-03-10/transcript

<kl_eisbaer> Hi everybody <aochs> hi <The_Code> hi <kl_eisbaer> I think we should wait until SLEducator is available to lead the meeting.... <SLEducator> hey all <SLEducator> It's time for our meeting? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: at least here in germany :-) <massonpj> I thought so <massonpj> just looking in though... <SLEducator> I'm sorry< I don't know how to be the channel operator <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: you are already ;-) <kl_eisbaer> We're waiting for your opening words and the first topics :-)

<SLEducator> Well everyone I expect this year to be a banner year for our project <SLEducator> We have world events that will make looking at open source a viable alternative to the losing functionality <SLEducator> we at os4ed are already seeing this because other products are being "End of Lifed" <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: can you lead us through our topics, pleaseß <SLEducator> With that in mind I think \ hope it's important to all of us who may use these products in their own private endeavors to continue with the great work that has already been done, And U personally thank you all <SLEducator> First topic <SLEducator> Status? <kl_eisbaer> I think this is something for me ;-) <SLEducator> Ok <kl_eisbaer> I've listed the applications where we get bugreports for RC2 of 11.1 <kl_eisbaer> currently, except some issues with scratch which need upstream fixes, all bugs are fixed :-) <kl_eisbaer> So what I wanted to know: <kl_eisbaer> Should we create a RC3 or should be release the RC2 as Goldmaster and release these packages as updates? <kl_eisbaer> What do you think? <aochs> I think we release the RC2 as Goldmaster. <SLEducator> I have tried to install the RC on 11.1 and the patterns were not available. I was trying to do some screen shots am I outdated on this? has it already been fixed? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: I can't see any bug about invisible patterns in http://devzilla.novell.com/education/ <kl_eisbaer> For me it's currently not reproducable <SLEducator> I didn't get there yet, I wanted to verify <kl_eisbaer> So please file a bugreport as soon as possible <SLEducator> to summarize - our status is that all packages build for 11.1 except when upstream patches are needed? <kl_eisbaer> No, sorry <kl_eisbaer> as mentioned on http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Meetings/Education_Meeting_2009-03-10 <kl_eisbaer> we've currently 9 packages with bugs on RC2 <kl_eisbaer> 5 of them are "blockers" <kl_eisbaer> means: 5 applications fail to start <kl_eisbaer> but all 9 bugs are resolved in the Buildservice repository <kl_eisbaer> ...but not on the frozen repository <SLEducator> when these bugs are fixed will the BS and it's "specfiles" keep this true? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: ? <kl_eisbaer> The BS has the fixed packages, yes. <SLEducator> will we get to a place were we see 11.2 in the BS and simply ask it to recompile for the new distro? <SLEducator> it=our project <kl_eisbaer> But currently all endusers are using our frozen repository on opensuse-education.org - and there are no fixes, yet <kl_eisbaer> 11.2 is currently not the topic <SLEducator> i would like our next GM to include a really usable SLE so I'm looking to wait i quess <kl_eisbaer> I like to get the question cleared if I should exchange the 10 packages in our current RC2 release for 11.1 <kl_eisbaer> or if we "live with the fact" that we've 10 broken packages on 11.1 <kl_eisbaer> declare 11.1 RC2 as goldmaster and just release updates for those 10 packages <kl_eisbaer> => Declare 11.1 RC2 as Goldmaster and add 10 packages to the update repository <kl_eisbaer> => remaster RC2 and include the 10 fixed packages <SLEducator> if you say the patterns are working and there are only these 10 issues , +1 to GM <kl_eisbaer> which solution do you prefer, please <simon123> remaster <kl_eisbaer> +1 from me for remastering <The_Code> +1 <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: for what? <The_Code> remaster <SLEducator> does remaster mean wait? <kl_eisbaer> So currently 3:2 for remastering RC2 <kkirill> sorry, please, what about scilab? Will it be available in final DVD? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: replace 10 packages in the current 11.1 repository <kl_eisbaer> Re-create the metadata <kl_eisbaer> and re-create the ISO image <SLEducator> ok <SLEducator> Works for me , I must have been confused <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: if we remaster, I can include it from the packman repo, yes <kkirill> kl_eisbaer, it would be great <simon123> anything that works out of the box <SLEducator> yes , change me to +1 remaster <simon123> by now I hate updates <SLEducator> LOL <kl_eisbaer> but I think scilab (including it's dependencies) is the only "new" package on RC3 <kl_eisbaer> ok - so I think we remaster, include all current fixed package and scilab + dependencies <simon123> any time frame? <kl_eisbaer> so the delta iso will be small - I'll just exchange ~15 packages <kl_eisbaer> simon123: I think this should be doable until monday <simon123> OK. <SLEducator> Status= remaster to rc3? <kl_eisbaer> So 1.0 is not really finished yet, but with RC3 we will hopefully come closer ;-) <kl_eisbaer> yes <SLEducator> good i will download and rebuild as soon as you tell me it's available <SLEducator> next topic? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: it's also fine if you use your current image - I'll not change the pattern setup for RC3 <kl_eisbaer> yes, next topic

<kl_eisbaer> Next Topic: Targets for openSUSE-Education 2.0 <SLEducator> Thank you for the change <kl_eisbaer> np <kl_eisbaer> I've already added some "ideas" on our Meeting page about possible targets <SLEducator> Would anyone mind discussing the server side patterns and specfiles? <kl_eisbaer> http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Meetings/Education_Meeting_2009-03-10#Targets_for_openSUSE-Education_2.0 <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: feel free to start your discussion <The_Code> yast module means the edu-users module? <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: Currently, I've two YaST modules on my radar: <SLEducator> as most of you know, I'm not a dev or programmer and I am having issues with getting the server applications installed correctly <kl_eisbaer> * the "edu-users" module <kl_eisbaer> * a squidguard module <The_Code> ok <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: If you're interested in one of them, feel free to contact me <SLEducator> can we work with the specfiles to modify these to install in a "vitual host" that is configured during the install? <The_Code> interested! i got a bit more free time in the next months <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: hm. depends on what you try to reach <kl_eisbaer> I'm already thinking about an installation media containing autoyast profiles to setup a server for example <SLEducator> looking for /srv/www/all the programs <SLEducator> moodle for instance requires a secure moodledata folder <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: I added links to the modules in the wiki page now <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: what do you mean with "secure"? <SLEducator> but you like to use the /srv/www/moodle and the /srv/www/moodledata which it's setup routine has issues with <kl_eisbaer> what should "/srv/www/all" be look like? <kl_eisbaer> I'm not shure I can follow you at the moment <kl_eisbaer> /srv/www/moodledata is not accessable directly via apache <kl_eisbaer> for example <SLEducator> with out a deeper understanding of apache moodle prefers /srv/www/htdocs/moodle and /srv/www/moodledata <kl_eisbaer> otherwise, please open a bugreport <kl_eisbaer> no, please don't use /srv/www/htdocs/ <kl_eisbaer> /srv/www/htdocs/ is for admins providing there own webpages <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, i will continue with the "edu-users" module <kl_eisbaer> and if you disable mod_php in apache, all files ending with *.php (so even config.php containing password) are world readable <SLEducator> see so I am having not enough understanding of apache to create /srv/www/moodle , /srv/www/moodledata and /srv/www/openSIS for example <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: cool - perhaps something for a GSoC request? :-) <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, good be something <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: apache can't create folders - this has to be done by a script or rpm <SLEducator> i know . it's accessing them from the browser that I keep getting wrong <The_Code> s/good/could <SLEducator> it's seems all our patterns do is dump the software into the correct locations with the correct dependencies. Am I just lacking some education? <kl_eisbaer> another point on my wiki-list is a set of "openSUSE-Education-branding" packages <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: no, that's what RPM does <The_Code> branding would be good <SLEducator> so new topic = branding? <simon123> hard <kl_eisbaer> => rpm "unzips" it's content and has some small possibilities to do something during installation <simon123> hard topic <kl_eisbaer> simon123: branding is a "hard topic"? why? <simon123> how to attract more people to create branding elements <simon123> that is hard part <kl_eisbaer> As you might noticed on our mailinglist, I already sent a request to the legal people at Novell - and one of the answers is: <SLEducator> ? <kl_eisbaer> if we want to create our own installation-ISO containing additional packages, we should re-brand the whole product <kl_eisbaer> simon123: I think we can start by extracting the current openSUSE-branding packages and collect their images somewhere <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, but we are allowed to use the opensuse logo as we are now? <SLEducator> i only want a new installation ISO if it works just like the Extis open school server <kl_eisbaer> simon123: so people can use these openSUSE branging images as base for their own artwork <simon123> OK <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: this request is still pending <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, ok <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: we only can create such an ISO if we are allowed to create it ... ;-) <SLEducator> huh <kl_eisbaer> ...and therefor IMO we first need our own branding packages, so we can replace the openSUSE ones <The_Code> creating a bootsplash, or gdm login screen can be created quite simple and if we base it on the upstream things... <kl_eisbaer> ...and afterwards we can start creating our own images <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: that's exactly what I think, yes <kl_eisbaer> Just do something like <kl_eisbaer> "rpm -qa | grep branding" <kl_eisbaer> on your machine <kl_eisbaer> and you'll know that we should create ~15 new packages <kl_eisbaer> containing some different images than the original ones <kl_eisbaer> I hope, Novells legal allow us to use our current openSUSE-Edu logo for this <kl_eisbaer> this would make things much easier :) <SLEducator> are you saying that in order to do more than create an add-on in its current form we have to become a new distro? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: yes, that's how I read the current "Trademark Guidelines" <The_Code> i could take a look at the gdm and bootsplash branding <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: cool, thanks <kl_eisbaer> I think we should create new packages in our Education OBS repository <SLEducator> and why do we want to be a separate distro? <kl_eisbaer> and enhance (?) the Name "*openSUSE*" with "*openSUSE-Education*" <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: we don't want to be a separate distro <The_Code> SLEducator, the trademark guidelines require to remove the opensuse branding if creating an iso with additional packages <SLEducator> so we are looking for ways to stay an add-on? <kl_eisbaer> We just follow the official "Trademark Guidelines" of openSUSE that currently don't allow to distribute something containing non-official packages as "openSUSE" <SLEducator> light bulb went on! <kl_eisbaer> So in the end we will replace the branding and call our installation media "openSUSE-Education based on openSUSE" or something like that <kl_eisbaer> or "openSUSE-Education powered by openSUSE" <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: just read http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf <SLEducator> i'm up to speed now <kl_eisbaer> Currently everything that contains other than the official packages is not allowed to be called "openSUSE" only <simon123> can I post list of packages with branding on edu mail list? <kl_eisbaer> simon123: yes, please do so <kl_eisbaer> ...and we also need some nice wallpapers for example :-) <kl_eisbaer> that can be used as bootsplash, too <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: I like your title <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: which one? the "powered by" title? ;-) <SLEducator> yes <kl_eisbaer> OK: let's ask Novell legal if we can use "openSUSE-Education 2.0 powered by openSUSE" including different branding packages for our first installable ISO <SLEducator> also "openSUSE-Education Server and Software" <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: just bring up some Names on our Mailinglist, please - I think this could be interesting :-) <SLEducator> ok <simon123> kl_eisbaer: done. It is a partial list that needs discussion. <SLEducator> this would be to retitle the entire project? <kl_eisbaer> ...and afterwards (if we have the name and branding packages), we can start producing Live- and Installable ISO-Images for Desktop and Server <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: no, I've already asked if we can still be called "openSUSE-Education" ;-) <SLEducator> instead of Add-On? <kl_eisbaer> Just read my crosspost on opensuse-edu "Questions about the Trademark Guidelines for openSUSE" <kl_eisbaer> plus Add-On :-) <kl_eisbaer> With the Buildservice Version 1.5 and beyond, we should be able to build our images directly in the OBS <kl_eisbaer> I'm currently working on that ;-) <SLEducator> already read that <kl_eisbaer> ok - any other target ideas for 2.0 ? <SLEducator> so topic of "branding" is to move the 15 packages that Brand opensuse into our OBS and change the artwork to include "openSUSE-Education" <SLEducator> and our logo? <kl_eisbaer> yes <SLEducator> again better server application installation <SLEducator> can we look at the server apps as if they would all be on the same box? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: I think we should create additional packages for this special idea <SLEducator> explain this further please? <kl_eisbaer> so package "moodle" for example could get an additional package "moodle-localinstall" <kl_eisbaer> "moodle-localinstall" would get <kl_eisbaer> a) a database dump <kl_eisbaer> b) all scripts that are needed to setup and install a local moodle <kl_eisbaer> c) a hard dependency to moodle, apache and mysql for example <SLEducator> I was not talking about an upgrade routine , sorry <kl_eisbaer> I am not talking about an upgrade routine - I am talking about a package that set's up moodle, so people can login directly afterwards <SLEducator> ok <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: but even in this "special case", think about the login form: moodle allows many ways for login <kl_eisbaer> * pop3 (email) <kl_eisbaer> * mysql <kl_eisbaer> * ldap <kl_eisbaer> * ... <kl_eisbaer> one solution has to be choosen <SLEducator> ldap because it is most e-Directory compatible <kl_eisbaer> but I think this are too much details here <kl_eisbaer> how would you tell the package which ldap server it has to use? <SLEducator> build one local <kl_eisbaer> (but as you see - these are very detailed questions - let's discuss it after the meeting) <SLEducator> then Sysop only needs to tie them together <SLEducator> yes <kl_eisbaer> means the sysop has to re-configure anything again - lol <SLEducator> identity manager <SLEducator> any way next topic

<kl_eisbaer> Next Topic: Google Summer of Code 2009 <kl_eisbaer> Currently, we've two Education Ideas: <kl_eisbaer> * openSIS-MySQL <kl_eisbaer> * CRAN packages in Education project <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: can you tell us something about the CRAN idea? <SLEducator> I have started an eduforge project to move openSIS to MySQL and to create some Moodle integration <kl_eisbaer> are there already students asking for your idea? <SLEducator> os4ed is sponsoring the initial recode commerically <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: yeah, sure that is why I am here :-) <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k . SLEducator: please start :-) <SLEducator> is this CRAN http://cran.r-project.org/ <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: so I think it would be nice to have more R related packages inside opensuse education repository and because it is a lot of work and some tools like new version alerter and cran2rpm tools are needed i think it could be nice project for GSoC <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: yes <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: if you don't know what is R it is a tool mainly for statistical computing, but in general it is very powerful tool for everything about mathematics and it is beeing used in both education and research <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: the question from my side is: can you be more precise? - Do we need something like a "Package-Watcher"? <SLEducator> m4r3k: could R be used to do data analysis of a gradebook? <kl_eisbaer> This could perhaps not only be an interest for CRAN packagers - many people ask for such a "watch" tool <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: well if you wanna maintain over 1000 packages it is very useful to have a message in your mailbox when a new version of program is released <kl_eisbaer> perhaps this part can be enlarged? <m4r3k> SLEducator: what is gradebook? <kl_eisbaer> I'm thinking about additional meta-information in OBS <kl_eisbaer> which enables a generic watch-tool <kl_eisbaer> So a packager just has to enter something like <SLEducator> m4r3k: what a teacher uses to manage a classroom? <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: yeah, some guys from SUSE have a tool that checking freshmeat and site like this and sending you an e.mail and I think it would be nice to have a better integration in OBS if maintainers want it, so yeah it could be extended <SLEducator> if applied to a school wide gradebook, could it analyze how many "A's" were given and by whom? <kl_eisbaer> <package-wachter> <kl_eisbaer> <url>http://download.somewhere/</url> <kl_eisbaer> <wildcard>*.tar.gz</wildcard> <kl_eisbaer> <exception>foobar.tar.gz</exception> <kl_eisbaer> </package-wachter> <m4r3k> SLEducator: oh, yeah it can be used this way, but I don't think someone with brain would do that... some kind of calc spreadsheet would be more better :-) <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: ok - so my impression is we should at least separate this feature from you CRAN idea and put it in the "buildservice idea range", right? <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: yeah, this can be done <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: should I do it or you will do it? <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: feel free to do it ;-) <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: ok, I will do it tomorrow, GPRS is slow :D <SLEducator> m4r3k: would this be an appropriate use ? http://os4ed.com/openintel.php <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: thanks! <kl_eisbaer> My question is: should we also add our YaST-Modules as GSoC ideas? <SLEducator> +1 YaST modules to GSoC <m4r3k> SLEducator: well R is complete statistical framework and you can use it for any statistical analysis, but... for this usage? I don't think there is any chance that there is a existing package, so who wanna use it this way must create his own scripts <SLEducator> ok TY <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: can you write something for the YaST-Edu module on the GSoC page? <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, yes will write something <kl_eisbaer> I'll do the same for the squidGuard Module <kl_eisbaer> thanks <m4r3k> And do you think CRAN integration in Education project is good GSoC project? <m4r3k> or it should be extended somehow or something changed? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: BTW: I think you should add a mentor name for your openSIS project idea <SLEducator> <has no clue what CRAN can do in schools <SLEducator> kl_aiesbar: ok <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: I'm not shure, I think most of your "problems" are not only CRAN related - perhaps you can rewrite your idea a bit to fit into a more general OBS idea ? <m4r3k> SLEducator: well you mean primary schools? There is probably no usage for this kind of schools :D <kl_eisbaer> for example: coolo wrote a script some months before which creates RPMs out of DEB packages <SLEducator> I'm all for inclusion of products <kl_eisbaer> because he wants to test some debian packages on his openSUSE machine without using apt ;-) <SLEducator> with the main idea we help schools replace costs with open source <kl_eisbaer> m4r3k: so perhaps you can write something like a "wrapper" around "RPM_Building helper scripts" <SLEducator> if a teacher uses it or requires it , that to me is openSUSE-EDU <kl_eisbaer> So people can for example use this wrapper to create perl (CPAN), php (?) and CRAN packages easily? <m4r3k> kl_eisbaer: there is already tool cpan2rpm <kl_eisbaer> yes, and it would be cool if this can be integrated into OBS .... <kl_eisbaer> ... same for CRAN2rpm .... <kl_eisbaer> any other ideas? Questions? <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator? m4r3k? - Next topic? <SLEducator> was that GSoC? <kl_eisbaer> yes <kl_eisbaer> in my eyes :-) <SLEducator> we have jumped around a little <kl_eisbaer> feel free to bring us back on track :-) <SLEducator> we have already discussed "trademark" <SLEducator> so FOSDEM 2009

<kl_eisbaer> Well, over all, I think FOSDEM was a big success for openSUSE-Education <SLEducator> I heard the same <SLEducator> do we expect a higher developer participation due to it <kl_eisbaer> Well, we can expect a closer work with some upstream developers I met face to face <kl_eisbaer> some of them are already working together we me and others on their applications in our OBS project <SLEducator> Nice <kl_eisbaer> ...and even if they just add a link for openSUSE users to our packages on their homepage, I think it's better than nothing :-) <SLEducator> I keep hearing that this project is doing wonders in Europe <kl_eisbaer> Well, our hard work is appreciated in some areas - but still nothing I can announce widely ;-) <SLEducator> I am working full time on os4ed and openSUSE marketing and exposure here in the US, I hope to see some results by fall! <kl_eisbaer> But - for example - the colaboration with HP is getting better and better <kl_eisbaer> Our main problem is an open source problem: <SLEducator> i'm also hoping that our server work gets presinstalled on HP hardware sometime soon <kl_eisbaer> companies must learn that communication is very important in big communities spread around the world <SLEducator> anything else to add about FOSDEM? <kl_eisbaer> Perhaps one thing: <kl_eisbaer> We should invite the Fedora-Edu people to join <kl_eisbaer> join us and work together on our packages <SLEducator> yea, do you have a contact? <kl_eisbaer> I already started to fix some of our packages for fedora - and I think we can increase the amount of packages over time <kl_eisbaer> I think both parts can benefit if we work together in the Education project and have only one specfile building all distribution specific packages :-) <kkirill> kl_eisbaer: in your FOSDEM review mail was information about package desctiption translation, any plans about it? <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: do you have a community contact? <kl_eisbaer> But I need someone (SLEducator? Zonker?) to write an official invitation <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: yes, I'm currently evaluating the Fedora way of package translations <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: they use gettext for this <SLEducator> I would be glad to work on it with Zonker <kl_eisbaer> which means we have to patch libzypp to also use gettext <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: ok - I'll send you some brainstorm ideas next days <SLEducator> many of the server applications use "gettext" , i have been looking at it for openSIS <kl_eisbaer> I think you and Zonker can write a real cool invitation for other distributions <kkirill> kl_eisbaer: thanks, I hope we'll have this feature, it's really important for non Englihs users <SLEducator> my thoughts too <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: ..but nevertheless: I'll work on the pnPDB part on our page next weeks <kl_eisbaer> when we've all data in our database, we can dump it into gettext *.po files without problems IMO <kl_eisbaer> It's just writing PHP ;-) <kl_eisbaer> ...and /me don't likes PHP :-( <kkirill> I've found their page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education <kl_eisbaer> BTW: I've written a small "Contact us" app on opensuse-education.org - and receiving already the first mails <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: yes - the team members are listed there, too <kl_eisbaer> ok - as anubisg1 is not here, I think that's all about FOSDEM <SLEducator> i'm supposed to have SLEducator@opensuse.org as of this week <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: congratulations! :-) <SLEducator> you can forward them there too <SLEducator> TY <kl_eisbaer> ok, will do <kl_eisbaer> next topic?

<SLEducator> Success!! <kl_eisbaer> Next Topic: Success Histories <kl_eisbaer> Please add news stories about openSUSE-Education here: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Press <kl_eisbaer> I think we've already a good list there :-) <kl_eisbaer> But as always - I hope this list increases :-) <SLEducator> I have installed SLE10 sp2 and our SLE10 repo on the as400 and I am now configuring applications <SLEducator> out of the effort <SLEducator> anyone else with successes? <massonpj> I met with a New York State Assemblyman to discuss the adoption of OSS, including opensuse, within SUNY and government <massonpj> getting the meeting was a success <massonpj> not sure of outcomes <SLEducator> massonpj: I went to SUNY campus last year for conference, seems likely you will be heard <massonpj> and this may be more of an advocacy topic <massonpj> SLEducator, hey james it is me Pat <SLEducator> Hi Pat ! <SLEducator> I hope I didn't hurt the cause there! ;) <massonpj> Has anyone seen the news release out of the UK on the Action Plan for Open Source? <SLEducator> link? <massonpj> http://www.cio.gov.uk/transformational_government/open_source/index.asp <SLEducator> Thank you <massonpj> would love to get this going in U.S. (or at least New York State, even SUNY) <kl_eisbaer> heya - perhaps we need an additional headline containing Edu- but not openSUSE-Edu press information? <massonpj> BTW SUNY = State University of New York (64 campuses) <SLEducator> Did you see the new Whitehouse CIO appointment? <massonpj> yes <massonpj> I have four IT staff at SUNY Delhi running openSUSE <massonpj> looking to deploy in libraries <massonpj> on thin clients <massonpj> Success? <massonpj> Not official but getting there <SLEducator> IS very nice success <SLEducator> you can't lower costs and include innovation without open source!!! <massonpj> Also submitting a proposal to the SUNY CIO Council on the adoption of Open Source akin to the UK's Action Plan <massonpj> Sorry if I am interrupting the topic "Success" but did not see "Advocacy" on the agenda. <SLEducator> it's ok <SLEducator> Any one else? <SLEducator> next topic - old action items?

<kl_eisbaer> jip - cyberorg: ping :-) <kl_eisbaer> kkirill ? <kl_eisbaer> "Rework the Desktop and Server wiki pages. " <kkirill> As you can see I've change a bit both overall package overview page http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Applications/Desktop <kkirill> and individual package description page http://en.opensuse.org/MultiplicationStation to be visually consistent and more attractive <kkirill> If you are OK with them, I can update wiki rules at http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Wiki and update some packages I'm using a lot <kl_eisbaer> individual package description looks really good! <kkirill> also I've taken headers from standard help :) <kl_eisbaer> I'm currently a bit confused about the many icons on the overview page - but maybe I'm too old for too many colors ;-) <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: LOL , I'm older and I got it.....what does that say! <kl_eisbaer> Interesting: "Category:Education Math" does not contain as many packages as on the overview page <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: you've better eyes :-) <SLEducator> newer glasses <kl_eisbaer> I'm fine with the new layout - really good job, kirill THANKS! <kl_eisbaer> I didn't realize that we've so many packages :-) <kkirill> kl_eisbaer, it's because not all packages have their own pages <SLEducator> +1 on new layout, it is the kind of thing that grabs you <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: hm, ok - but I think this leaves room for improvements :-) <SLEducator> I agree but is a wonderful starting place <kl_eisbaer> jip - any other comments? <kl_eisbaer> or is it ok to start with my AIs? <SLEducator> You go guy! <kl_eisbaer> ok: 'Provide a list of applications for a new pattern|group "scientists".' <kl_eisbaer> not done yet (but we've a initial "sugar" pattern now ;-) <kl_eisbaer> I'll go through the "science" repo next days and create an initial pattern once 11.1 RC3 is done <kl_eisbaer> * Split of the Development page into pieces and move them to our Developer Wiki. <kl_eisbaer> not done yet, sorry <kl_eisbaer> * move the current Wishlist to the Bugtracker and write an HowTo how to add new wishes there. <kl_eisbaer> done - and we already get the first requests for new packages - so the HowTo might not be too bad :-) <kl_eisbaer> (BTW: and we've already new packages in our Edu Repo) <kl_eisbaer> * write documentation about the openSUSE-Education Update repository for normal users and (School-)Admins <kl_eisbaer> initial step is done <kl_eisbaer> currently I'm fighting together with Thomas Schraitle from the Novell Docu department to get the LfL layout build <kl_eisbaer> even with free fonts <kl_eisbaer> and with cyrillic fonts - so stay tuned kkirill ;-) <kkirill> kl_eisbaer: I'll thanks <kl_eisbaer> but it looks like there are bugs in the susedoc and even some fonts packages - so it might take some time <kl_eisbaer> I'll write an announcement once I can really build the ru handbook with right fonts <kl_eisbaer> additional tasks: We've a X11:Sugar project right now, containing the "One Laptop per Child" windowmanager <kl_eisbaer> some packages still need to be reviewed, but most of the repo is already usable <kl_eisbaer> so feel free to test and report bugs - and buy this nice little laptop :-) <kl_eisbaer> that's all from me <SLEducator> others? <kl_eisbaer> cyberorg: has integrated his patches for NOMAD support in upstream LTSP <kl_eisbaer> and I'm currently reviewing some LTSP packages to be part of the next official openSUSE release <kl_eisbaer> so - as always ;-) LTSP is making big progress ... <SLEducator> does that mean more official involvement from Novell? <kl_eisbaer> That means, those packages will be official maintained by Novell/openSUSE, right <SLEducator> Nice! <SLEducator> maybe someday in SLE , YEA!!!! <kl_eisbaer> ..and that also means we're discussing needed adaptions in initrd to have an "out of the box" support for LTSP <SLEducator> SWEET! <kl_eisbaer> But that's currently all I know - Nothing from anubisg1 or suseRocks so far <SLEducator> ok

<SLEducator> do you know of any "Sugar" screenshots? <kl_eisbaer> Any other Questions around? :D <The_Code> maybe a small one which came up with me: LinuxTag ? <kl_eisbaer> http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/08/28/sugared-opensuse-tour/ <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: which one? :-) <The_Code> berlin <kl_eisbaer> ah, ok - start your question, please :-) <The_Code> the question is are we going to do something there <The_Code> i am just asking because i am planning to go and was just wondering ... <kl_eisbaer> well: good question - what do you like to be there? <kl_eisbaer> If you like, join us as openSUSE-Team member, stay at the booth, give presentations, ...! <kl_eisbaer> Are you interested? <The_Code> i am interested <The_Code> i was just wondering if there were plans for opensuse-education <kl_eisbaer> Currently not - as I'm not shure if I can go there <kl_eisbaer> But now, as you volunteered :-) <The_Code> understood! <SLEducator> What else do we have to discuss? <kl_eisbaer> The_Code: It just depends on the community, what will be done - so please "ping" me again via email and we'll see what we can do <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, i will do <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator: nothing so far <SLEducator> kl_eisbaer: can we schedule another meeting <kl_eisbaer> yes,why not <SLEducator> are there any preferences to the next meeting date? <kl_eisbaer> it's up to everyone to schedule and keep a meeting :-) <kl_eisbaer> at least, I vote for Tuesday :-) <SLEducator> is two weeks to soon? <kl_eisbaer> depends on how many topics we have until then <SLEducator> if we have little to discuss but do it regularly we may get more attention? <kl_eisbaer> might be, yes. Feel free to schedule - if it's a short meeting, I'm fine with it :-) <SLEducator> I'm all for Tuesdays <The_Code> true, btw maybe it would be good to announce the meeting one day before in some way <SLEducator> could you set the "next meeting topic to the same time on Tuesday the 24ty <kl_eisbaer> SLEducator, yes - you mean on news.opensuse.org, right? <SLEducator> and here please <The_Code> kl_eisbaer, yes news.opensuse.org <kl_eisbaer> ok, no problem <kl_eisbaer> So Meeting is over? <The_Code> would also draw more attention to the meeting <kkirill> bye all and thank you for great work done <kl_eisbaer> kkirill: dito!