Started at: 2007-11-27 17:01:46 <kl_eisbaer> Welcome to the openSUSE-Education Meeting! <kl_eisbaer> Some technicalities: <kl_eisbaer> This channel is _not_ moderated during the time of the meeting. <kl_eisbaer> So if you have a question or remark just write it. <kl_eisbaer> The topics of this meeting are: <kl_eisbaer> 1 Old action items <kl_eisbaer> 2 openSUSE-Education goes public <kl_eisbaer> 3 Development details for the Edu-CD <kl_eisbaer> 4 Cooperation with other education projects: <kl_eisbaer> 5 Q&A <kl_eisbaer> So I think we start with the first persons Action Item: a_ochs ?

* massonpj has joined #opensuse-edu <a_ochs> hi @ all <massonpj> hi <kl_eisbaer> a_ochs: "Status of kiosktool, the templates and the kde-theme" <a_ochs> Some things do not work properly <kl_eisbaer> Please explain? <a_ochs> like the menu for example <kl_eisbaer> Whats the problem here? <a_ochs> its, to smal <kl_eisbaer> Which menu - the new kickstart or the old one? <a_ochs> the kickstart and the old-menu <kl_eisbaer> hm. Looks like we have to dig into this over the weekend together ;-) <kl_eisbaer> What about the theme? <a_ochs> must install by the user * jmassaguer has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> hm: the package is installed per default via the pattern <kl_eisbaer> So we must wait until jdsn has finished his YaST2-Module for this I think <kl_eisbaer> but: can you add the theme in the kiosktool settings? <a_ochs> yes <kl_eisbaer> Do so, please <a_ochs> than its work <a_ochs> i have tested <kl_eisbaer> BTW: Which group names have you used for your kiosktool settings? <a_ochs> user <kl_eisbaer> hm :-( <kl_eisbaer> This woul lead to _all_ users <kl_eisbaer> I think about adding additional groups with jdsn's YaST-module <a_ochs> yes, i changed it to students <kl_eisbaer> like "students" for the youth people <kl_eisbaer> and "kids" for the younger ones <a_ochs> ok <kl_eisbaer> Do so, please <a_ochs> yes <kl_eisbaer> any other questions/remarks? <kl_eisbaer> for a_ochs * kl_eisbaer noticed that we miss a description of kiosktool and the settings in the wiki <kl_eisbaer> a_ochs: can you take this additional action item? <a_ochs> yes <kl_eisbaer> ok - thanks! <kl_eisbaer> So we can switch to James action items <kl_eisbaer> He is currently not available in IRC but he send me a mail about the status today <kl_eisbaer> Cite James: "Sabayon is a mess and I can not use it yet to make a desktop profile. It does not recognize settings made to the SLAB or that app browser even though you can make them with the existing tools. I have spoken to Federico about this several times and I have a bug on the issue. It does not seem to be a priority or there is an unannounced replacement being built, I'm not sure since there have been several conversations on <kl_eisbaer> provide would be welcome." <kl_eisbaer> So there is currently no progress in sabayon templates :-( <kl_eisbaer> Any other questions for James? *kl_eisbaer will forward them via mail <kl_eisbaer> Next AI: jdsn <kl_eisbaer> "Status of YaST2 module for Edu-cd" * fsgaston has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> ah: jdsn is online - just missed the channel.... * jdsn has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> hi jdsn! <jdsn> hi there <a_ochs> hi <kl_eisbaer> Can you tell us something about the current state of the YaST-Module, please? <jdsn> sure <jdsn> first of all - its not complete yet - so non functional <jdsn> the user interface is complete <jdsn> navigation works <jdsn> the thing missing is reading system users and groups that already exist and writing them back *jmassaguer has quit IRC *jmassaguer has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> can the module already create new users and groups? <kl_eisbaer> if so, we can perhaps use it during installation ? <jdsn> it is in the official yast svn unter branches/tmp/jdsn/edu-users ... if somebody is interested or wants to help <jdsn> as I said it can not write any settings currently <jdsn> so no we can not use it right now <jmassaguer> jdsn: I did not known about a yast module you are writting... could you point me to some info about it? What it is for? <jdsn> I hope I can use some ITO time to get it done soon <jdsn> there is a little preview in the oS wiki <jdsn> let me find the page .... <kl_eisbaer> jmassaguer: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Modules/Education <jdsn> thanks <jdsn> :) <kl_eisbaer> AI: lars = add the link to http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development ;-) <jdsn> looks little different now but the shown functionality is there <kl_eisbaer> Thanks! <jmassaguer> jdsn: ok thanks. <kl_eisbaer> jdsn: can you give us the full URL to the SVN, please? <jdsn> http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/branches/tmp/jdsn/edu-users/ <kl_eisbaer> Thanks for your work! <kl_eisbaer> any other questions for jdsn? <kl_eisbaer> Next action item: Kkirill <kl_eisbaer> " Status of russion translation" <kl_eisbaer> As kkirill is currently not online, I'll try to give a short summary: <kl_eisbaer> kkirill has checkin-rights to the opensuse-education SVN and translated mostly 90% of http://www.opensuse-education.org into russian <kl_eisbaer> s/russion/russian/ <kl_eisbaer> He also updates the education pages on ru.opensuse.org <kl_eisbaer> So if you've got a problem with the russion language or the above webpages, feel free to contact him :-) <kl_eisbaer> Next action item: Lars <kl_eisbaer> note: thats me ;-) <kl_eisbaer> "Overview about packages for Education" <kl_eisbaer> We've currently ~300 packages for each architecture for 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and SLE10 <kl_eisbaer> If you wanna help us here, feel free to contact any of the persons on http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Team <kl_eisbaer> So we can add you as maintainer to the buildservice <kl_eisbaer> Changes since last meeting: <kl_eisbaer> - added grayswandir12 as maintainer of scilab (yes: he's an upstream developer of scilab ;-) <kl_eisbaer> - added Beineri and adrianSuSE as maintainers for the KDE education apps <kl_eisbaer> - added cschum as maintainer of the new package plutimikation <kl_eisbaer> New packages: <kl_eisbaer> - kding <kl_eisbaer> - some pysycache plugins <kl_eisbaer> - enigma <kl_eisbaer> - kolorpaint <kl_eisbaer> - gnuchess <kl_eisbaer> - kanagram <kl_eisbaer> - blinken <kl_eisbaer> - khangman <kl_eisbaer> - knights <kl_eisbaer> - kmahjongg <kl_eisbaer> - lincity-ng <kl_eisbaer> - kturtle <kl_eisbaer> - galculator <kl_eisbaer> - geogebra <kl_eisbaer> - kbruch <kl_eisbaer> - kmplot <kl_eisbaer> kpercentage * jmassaguer has quit IRC <kl_eisbaer> - MultiplicationStation <kl_eisbaer> - xaos <kl_eisbaer> - pauker <kl_eisbaer> - ... (and still some KDE apps left <kl_eisbaer> So I think we are very productive in the last weeks :-) <kl_eisbaer> That brings me to the next action item (if no-one has questions) <kl_eisbaer> "Status of the Edu-CD" * lin has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> Currently we have RC1 for 10.2 <kl_eisbaer> Beta2 for 10.3 * lin has quit IRC <kl_eisbaer> and a quick PreView for 10.1 and SLED 10 * jmassaguer has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> The only problem left with 10.2 is a conflict between avahi and mDNSresponder <kl_eisbaer> Thats because all KDE4 applications are build against avahi <kl_eisbaer> but mDNSresponder is/was default on 10.2 <kl_eisbaer> I talked with some KDE people about the problem: <kl_eisbaer> as KDE4 is not supported for 10.2, they marked a fix for this as "WontFix" <kl_eisbaer> so we have two options imho: <kl_eisbaer> 1. add a patched avahi package to the Edu-CD which obsoletes mDNSresponder <kl_eisbaer> 2. fix the Problem in old KDE3 and try to get this fix as official online update <kl_eisbaer> The problem with 1 is: removing mDNSresponder would break the old KDE3 apps <kl_eisbaer> the problem with 2 is: we need someone who knows where the problem is and fixes the code <kl_eisbaer> My prefer is 1 - as removing mDNSresponder should only break the bonjour parts of KDE3, which are normally not used by a "normal" user <kl_eisbaer> any other suggestions? <kl_eisbaer> if nobody has any other proposals, I would try to fix the problem with a patched avahi on the Edu-CD <kl_eisbaer> My next action item: "Status of opensuse-education.org and the services behind" <kl_eisbaer> opensuse-education.org hosts currently: <kl_eisbaer> - forum <kl_eisbaer> - bugtracker <kl_eisbaer> - IRC-Client <kl_eisbaer> - SVN-Repository <kl_eisbaer> - ISOs <kl_eisbaer> - Online Repositories <kl_eisbaer> (and also the emails for opensuse-education.org users) <kl_eisbaer> I hope thats enough and we don't need any other services ;-) <kl_eisbaer> SVN access is available for anonymous users via https://svn.linux-schulserver.de/viewvc/?root=openSUSE-Education <kl_eisbaer> registered users on opensuse-education.org can get write access <kl_eisbaer> the SVN contains the webpage, forum and IRC-Client <kl_eisbaer> and also some special packages like patterns and skelcd <kl_eisbaer> One interesting question from kkirill was: "Where one can find information about current state of EDU_CD testing progress?" <kl_eisbaer> My first proposal for this can be found here : http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development#Testing <kl_eisbaer> But I think we can get better proposals... <kl_eisbaer> I like to add a new action item for everyone with this topic "Current state of the Edu-CD testing progress" <kl_eisbaer> any other questions? <kl_eisbaer> Next action item: "status of YaST2 module for SquidGuard" <kl_eisbaer> the current source can be found here: http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/squidguard/ <kl_eisbaer> same progress as jdsn: the frontend is nearly finished <kl_eisbaer> but I need to rewrite the backend part

<kl_eisbaer> Next topic: "2. openSUSE-Education goes public" <kl_eisbaer> as hopefully everybody has noticed, I've changed the wiki layout of all openSUSE-Education pages <kl_eisbaer> ...and added a "guideline" for new education relevant pages here: http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Wiki <kl_eisbaer> Please review the proposal and offer your suggestions :-) <kl_eisbaer> no suggestions? or I am too fast? <linkat> you're ok :) <kl_eisbaer> puh! thanks :-) <kl_eisbaer> So I like to step to the next topic: "feedback from Edu-CD tests" <kl_eisbaer> currently most of the parts are done by me <kl_eisbaer> I like to invite everyone to join me creating new CDs or even new packages :-) <kl_eisbaer> I try to test as much packages from new CDs as possible - but as you might noticed: with over 300 packages for each distribution this is a very hard job! <kl_eisbaer> We still get some bugs assigned from other testers <kl_eisbaer> But I think we most really think about a better coordination <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer: when you say new CDs, you mean targets, right? each CD is for a different linus distro, right? <kl_eisbaer> yes <linkat> nice, edu packages are created via build service ? <kl_eisbaer> as mentioned above: We currently have CDs for openSUSE 10.1, openSUSE 10.2 and openSUSE 10.3 <kl_eisbaer> Yes: all packages on these CDs came from the buildservice <kl_eisbaer> We have two buildservice repositories for this <kl_eisbaer> Education:desktop and Education:server <jmassaguer> what about sled10, do you think it will be very difficult to create it? <kl_eisbaer> jmassaguer: no - shouldn't be more difficult than 10.1 <linkat> jmassaguer: sled10 = sle10 i think <kl_eisbaer> but I currently have no time to have a deeper look into 10.1 resp. SLE10 pacakges <kl_eisbaer> The online-repo for 10.1 should be usable also for SLED10 <jmassaguer> you are doing a great job. I did not mean "you" build it for sle10 <kl_eisbaer> Thanks * Klammeraffe has joined #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> I hope to get some other people who like to help me

<kl_eisbaer> I started to write some documentation of the CD-Building process already here: <kl_eisbaer> http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development/Edu-CD#The_look_behind:_the_development_of_the_Edu-CD <jmassaguer> if we wanted to build it for sle10, would be enough to link your packages to my home:project and select a new target? which will be the right way to do that? <kl_eisbaer> but even write this documentation costs much time :-/ <kl_eisbaer> jmassaguer: we still build for SLE10 in the education repositories * Klammeraffe has left #opensuse-edu <linkat> jmassaguer, they already do that <kl_eisbaer> If you like, I can add you as maintainer so you can add your favorite packages there <kl_eisbaer> But as mentioned above: we currently have two Repos in the buildservice <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer: sorrry did not know that. So, which is the help you need on that? Test, and packages? <linkat> kl_eisbaer, that would be great <kl_eisbaer> but the buildservice doesn't help us creating a "real Add-on" <kl_eisbaer> just tell me your BS-login, please ;-) <jmassaguer> mine is jordimassaguerpla <linkat> mine is jordibruguera <jmassaguer> me and linkat are working together on an educational distribution based on SLE10, we were waiting for the next topic <kl_eisbaer> an additional problem (thats why I create the Edu-CD outside the BS): I include some KDE Apps from KDE:KDE4 <kl_eisbaer> and so we get problems with "consistent" states for endusers <kl_eisbaer> if you want to test just a single application, everything would be fine using the BS-Repo <linkat> kl_eisbaer, we've already doing it :) <kl_eisbaer> But if you want to use it as real add-on repo, you need packages which are not broken and have the right dependencies <kl_eisbaer> FYI: added jordibruguera and jordimassaguerpla to Education:desktop <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer: great! thank you! <kl_eisbaer> if you like, I can also add you to the Education:server <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer: that should be interesting too <linkat> kl_eisbaer, thanks, maybe we can add a new package soon. A very well known in educational environment called "jclic" <kl_eisbaer> great to know! :-) <linkat> kl_eisbaer, jclic author is leading the Linkat project with us <linkat> kl_eisbaer, so there will be no problem with that. <jmassaguer> we've done also some yast modules for the installations. I am not sure it will be interesting for you but we can check it out. <kl_eisbaer> yes! Would be nice <linkat> kl_eisbaer, we plan to introduce ourselves later in topic "Relations with other projects", so we can go in detail later. <kl_eisbaer> ok <jmassaguer> yeah, Please go on with your planned items <kl_eisbaer> ok: next topic: <kl_eisbaer> # wanted: announcement writer for news.opensuse.org# wanted: package descriptions in the wiki " <matthewboh> That's why I'm here - I'll offer <kl_eisbaer> second one is something which depends a bit on the first one ;-) <kl_eisbaer> I think we need more publicity for our project <kl_eisbaer> But my english is not so good <matthewboh> I've been doing marketing, press releases, etc <kl_eisbaer> matthewboh: great to "hear" that! <kl_eisbaer> I think we need a "press officer" for openSUSE Education <fsgaston> I would love to fully market the project in Indiana, but how do I assure the 120 <kl_eisbaer> someone who has contact to the different newsletters and to the developers <fsgaston> schools the packages are stable <fsgaston> I don't me stable but rock solid stable <kl_eisbaer> fsgaston: thats why we need more testers :-) <kl_eisbaer> and I hope we can get more testers when our project is more "visible" outside <fsgaston> Is there anyway we can stick with a package group for say a year? <kl_eisbaer> ? <kl_eisbaer> Sorry, I don't understand <fsgaston> I'm thinking of working on documentation for install setup etc, with version changing <fsgaston> so quickly, it is hard to keep good documentation <kl_eisbaer> Ah! <linkat> fsgaston, you mean a stable release-cycle ? <fsgaston> Yes - stable release cycle <kl_eisbaer> You mean something like http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development/Edu-CD/Roadmap <kl_eisbaer> I add some targets for the different milestones there already <fsgaston> Can we almost do a Service Pack option, or an annual Version CD etc <kl_eisbaer> But we can discuss the needed features for every release <kl_eisbaer> fgaston: I would say: yes <kl_eisbaer> with the current manpower behind this project, I think we can do an annual Version CD <linkat> kl_eisbaer, do you plan to sync with school activity season ? for example: release in september ? <kl_eisbaer> linkat: as we are a community project, it depends on the community members :-) <fsgaston> We would need a June release, so schools can bet setup in August <kl_eisbaer> if the community wants new releases in september, I'm fine with it <matthewboh> linkat: Same here in Maryland, USA <fsgaston> Do we have a good site for documentation, which could also go on the CD? <kl_eisbaer> Just FYI: thats another point why I created the online-repos outside the buildservice <linkat> kl_eisbaer, June seems more convenient, to give time to set-up <kl_eisbaer> We can develop new packages and updates of old packages in the buildservice <jmassaguer> agree with that <kl_eisbaer> (and people always can download newer packages directly from the buildservice if they like) <fsgaston> I like the repo service, can we keep a build site for each stable version, so they can just download and install <fsgaston> (stable in terms of Ed-stable release <kl_eisbaer> and we can determine a new "release" relative shortly <kl_eisbaer> and create it in the repo on opensuse-education.org <kl_eisbaer> via scripts <kl_eisbaer> So even conservative people (with old distros) can get newer releases if they like <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer: I think that you have a lot of ideas of how to do it that would be very interesting to see in a presentation... are you going to fosdem08? <kl_eisbaer> Currently not - but perhaps my chief let me go ;-) <fsgaston> What about documentation, do we have a good wiki? <kl_eisbaer> but i can take this as action item for the next meeting if you like: "Create a presentation about the Edu-CD process" <kl_eisbaer> Yes <fsgaston> kl_eisbaer, that would be great. <kl_eisbaer> ok <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer, that would be great, so then we can discuss on that <fsgaston> I would love to shift the work I do for the 100+ schools (100,000 + linux desktops to a community focus <linkat> kl_eisbaer, very convenient. That would serve as an intro for newcomers also. <kl_eisbaer> ok: added as "high priority" item ;-) <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer, this way we'll see how to help you better :) * jdsn has left #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> ...and as I can see on our Agenda, we are already at the next topic ;-) <kl_eisbaer> 3. Development details for the Edu-CD * matthewboh has left #opensuse-edu <kl_eisbaer> I think most of this has already been discussed. <kl_eisbaer> Any other questions for this topic?

<kl_eisbaer> So step to the next topc: "Cooperation with other education projects" <jmassaguer> So here we go <kl_eisbaer> any ideas from your side? <linkat> we would like to introduce ourselves <linkat> and from that just see which ways we can collaborate <kl_eisbaer> ok: please start <linkat> jmassaguer, I'll explain a bit about linkat <jmassaguer> ok go on <linkat> We are Jordi Massaguer ( YaST, Repo and community maintainer for Linkat ), Instlux author, and Jordi Bruguera ( devel team leader ) (me) <linkat> Linkat is an educational distribution derived from SLED10-SP1 <linkat> It started its development in 2005 by appointment of <linkat> the Catalan Government. <linkat> ( a Province in Spain ) <linkat> It was initially based on Novell Linux Desktop 9 (Linkat 1.0 and 1.1) <linkat> ( government wanted a longer supported product ) <linkat> Next friday we'll be releasing Linkat 2.0 Beta 1 which is <linkat> based on SLED10-SP1 <linkat> You can visit the project page (in catalan, sorry !) at http://linkat.xtec.cat <linkat> and the devel forge at: https://projectes.lafarga.cat/projects/linkat/ <linkat> We've seen the birth of OpenSUSE-EDU project several months ago, <linkat> so we wanted to know which is the better way we can collaborate <linkat> with OpenSUSE-EDU project. <linkat> For example, we can bring packages to buildservice. <linkat> i.e.: jclic http://clic.xtec.cat/en/index.htm is <linkat> written by Francesc Busquets who drives Linkat project from <linkat> the Ministry of Education side :) <linkat> We plan to ask people @ FOSDEM for some place to introduce our work <kl_eisbaer> any way of cooperation is appreciated :-) <linkat> there, we already been there and jmassaguer also presented Instlux <linkat> last year. <linkat> ok. that's all I hope, <linkat> seems that packaging software is a both way collab mechanism <kl_eisbaer> sounds very nice - I've already added jclic as package to Education:desktop - but had no time to get a deeper look into it ;-) <linkat> we enrich OpenSUSE-EDU and vice-versa. this is nice. <kl_eisbaer> yes, definitely <linkat> kl_eisbaer, jclic is java based. easy to package. <kl_eisbaer> I see - but you have many other plugins, if I'm right <kl_eisbaer> so feel free to package it yourself :-) <linkat> kl_eisbaer, sure, jclic has many activities listed as "projects" <linkat> kl_eisbaer, we are distributing alltogether as a jclic-projects package which is a selection of them <jmassaguer> it has already been package for the linkat project. As I see it, jclic can be a good start point for collaborating <kl_eisbaer> yes <kl_eisbaer> and I think we should think about a new Roadmap containing new targets which fit Linkat's and openSUSE-Edu's needs <jmassaguer> sure! <kl_eisbaer> perhaps we can enforce the collaboration with SLED11 <linkat> jmassaguer and I were in talks to start a YaST module development, Linkat works in a client-server fashion. We're doing setup mostly in a Script, so we plan to progress to a YaST module in the near future <kl_eisbaer> great <linkat> right, I think we should enforce collab on that. people on the Ministry of Education agree also, I've asked them about. * kl_eisbaer is thinking about an openSUSE-Education 11.0 based ISO which can be used as template for SLES11-Linat... <jmassaguer> so the good point will be to work on our roadmaps, right? <jmassaguer> together i mean.. <kl_eisbaer> So people can use the openSUSE based version at home and the Ministry can use the SLE-based version <kl_eisbaer> Yes <linkat> kl_eisbaer, our roadmaps will cross with sled11 <kl_eisbaer> would be a very nice goal <linkat> 'cause Linkat may become a broader distro, not only educational <linkat> so the EDU part may become an ADD-ON to Linkat <kl_eisbaer> I've no problem with that ;-) <linkat> and here is where our plans become better to merge or at least to have more in common <kl_eisbaer> I'm co-developer of a SLES9 based SchoolServer which is currently evaluated by some normal companies ;-) <linkat> kl_eisbaer, school server was a SuSE Linux former product, if I'm right to remember <kl_eisbaer> so I add an action item for you: Check the Roadmaps :-) <kl_eisbaer> Yes. Thats why I've started to work at SuSE <linkat> kl_eisbaer, :) jajaj. ok. I was a SUSE partner that year. <jmassaguer> ok. High priority item "check the roadmaps" :) <kl_eisbaer> :) <kl_eisbaer> feel free to edit the wikipage directly <linkat> kl_eisbaer, ok, just to summarize: <linkat> jmassaguer, and me will coordinate to: <linkat> -bring jclic and tools to BS <linkat> -Explain Linkat project at next FOSDEM <linkat> -Find common parts on -EDU project and start collab. <kl_eisbaer> => can you add a small wiki page about linkat in the education area on opensuse.org, please? <linkat> kl_eisbaer, one question: <linkat> kl_eisbaer, linkat is SLED10-SP1 based. I hope this is OK, 'cause your project is OpenSUSE based. No problem with that ? <kl_eisbaer> No - absolutely not <kl_eisbaer> We've already enabled SLE10 in BS and also a SLE10 -Online-Repo <linkat> kl_eisbaer, ok, we'll start a wiki page - sort of summary and point to devel and repo resources <linkat> kl_eisbaer, sure, we're using it :) <kl_eisbaer> Even schools here in germany like to have a long supported version <kl_eisbaer> (and our OpenSchoolServer is SLES9 based as I already said) <linkat> kl_eisbaer, Linkat is in "catalan - spanish - english" only ! maybe we should broaden to "german" too :) <jmassaguer> kl_eisbaer: didn't know about the openschoolserver, can you give some references/URLS? <kl_eisbaer> http://www.openschoolserver.net/ <jmassaguer> thx <kl_eisbaer> I can make a contact to the CEO of the company who develops the openschoolserver if you like <kl_eisbaer> ...as you can see, the openschoolserver is currently german based (next release contains english and french version) <linkat> hope he/she speaks english :) <kl_eisbaer> Yes. Better than me :-) <kl_eisbaer> Would be a nice cooperation: openSUSE-Edu, Linkat and the OpenSchoolServer :) <kl_eisbaer> All SUSE based distributions <linkat> ok. we'll write a page in the wiki for Linkat,

<kl_eisbaer> ok - any other questions around? <kl_eisbaer> otherwise I think we can close the meeting <linkat> kl_eisbaer, thank you. * kl_eisbaer's daughter wants her dady ;-) <jmassaguer> thank you <kl_eisbaer> Thank you all for joining! <mherweg> thanks & good bye <kl_eisbaer> I think we will have our next meeting in 2 weeks <kl_eisbaer> So CU and good bye! <jmassaguer> see you then Meeting ended at --> 2007-11-27 18:58:12