Community Week/Marketing Schedule/Transcript

Conversation with #opensuse-marketing at Tue 12 May 2009 10:02:59 AM EDT on jbrockmeier@irc.freenode.net (irc) (10:02:59 AM) #opensuse-marketing: The topic for #opensuse-marketing is: Welcome to Community Week | openSUSE Marketing | Launch Plan for 11.2: http://en.opensuse.org/Marketing/Team/11_2_Launch (10:08:36 AM) elchevive68_ [i=c95b0f02@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-acc9e68fdff960b3] entered the room. (10:11:33 AM) jbrockmeier: hi all (10:11:45 AM) jbrockmeier: many apologies for the delays and issues with the wiki today (10:12:10 AM) jbrockmeier: this is a session to work on the openSUSE 11.2 marketing plan / launch plan. (10:12:21 AM) jbrockmeier: the 11.2 launch is quite a way off (10:12:57 AM) Michael_Knight: jbrockmeier: I think it is about 15UTC. I have no questions but I wanted to listen about launch plans. The explanations of timeline. (10:13:55 AM) jbrockmeier: Michael_Knight: it's about 14:13 UTC :-) (10:14:14 AM) Michael_Knight: jbrockmeier: sorry (10:14:21 AM) jbrockmeier: no worries (10:14:31 AM) jbrockmeier: Michael_Knight: what explanations of timeline would you like? (10:15:08 AM) jbrockmeier: the openSUSE 11.2 roadmap is here: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap (10:15:14 AM) HeliosReds: jbrockmeier: Only few people read the announcement that the channel has changed. (10:15:14 AM) jbrockmeier: subject to change, of course (10:16:03 AM) HeliosReds: Many people still think this meeting is held on -project, I think. (10:16:42 AM) Beineri [n=Beineri@kde/binner] entered the room. (10:17:00 AM) yaloki [n=loki@opensuse/member/pbleser] entered the room. (10:18:51 AM) jbrockmeier: HeliosReds: (10:18:56 AM) jbrockmeier: let me try that again (10:19:02 AM) HeliosReds: :-) (10:19:04 AM) jbrockmeier: HeliosReds: changed the topic in -project, better? (10:20:20 AM) HeliosReds: Hmmm. There are lot of people in that channel now... (10:21:51 AM) ***Beineri drops again that he started (linking from) http://opensuse.org/11.2 (10:22:58 AM) foobar [n=Foobar@p5496B0F2.dip.t-dialin.net] entered the room. (10:23:42 AM) suseROCKs [n=bryen@opensuse/member/Byunashko] entered the room. (10:23:55 AM) Michael_Knight: Can I ask about set of packages on dvd? (10:24:08 AM) suseROCKs: What have I missed so far? (10:24:33 AM) Beineri: btw, http://en.opensuse.org/PromoDVD_Index is in a sad state (10:25:26 AM) Beineri: are there Promo DVDs of 11.1 available, or not? (10:26:42 AM) Devilsprey99 [n=sagar@124.41.254.244] entered the room. (10:27:06 AM) HeliosReds: Is this online form still valid ? https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=cEZGOFhDOUUySzRKTWg0VjRPM3dsQmc6MA (10:27:17 AM) Devilsprey99 left the room (quit: Client Quit). (10:27:39 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: you know there are (10:27:55 AM) Devilsprey99 [n=sagar@124.41.254.244] entered the room. (10:28:13 AM) jbrockmeier: Michael_Knight: set of packages on dvd? how's that related to topic? (10:29:13 AM) Michael_Knight: It doesn't related to topic but there no another questions (10:29:52 AM) michl [n=michl@nat/suse/x-0359eb951844ffce] entered the room. (10:30:20 AM) Beineri: Michael_Knight: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_List ? (10:30:38 AM) jbrockmeier: Michael_Knight: is it a marketing topic at all? :-) (10:31:07 AM) Devilsprey99: from Nepal here very few opensuse users here (10:31:43 AM) Michael_Knight: In a lot of parts of the world there it is illegal to patent algorithms. And people want to get mp3 & other codecs from dvd during installation process. They can use OneClickInstall - but they should search the url. Can we make something like messagebox with thw link when user tries to play media with unsupported in his system codec? (10:32:50 AM) Michael_Knight: I think it will be more comfortable. Without this messagebox question about mp3 support is one of the most frequently asked on #opensuse.ru channel (10:33:05 AM) yaloki: Michael_Knight: I'm afraid we can't (10:33:27 AM) yaloki: Michael_Knight: laws are stupid enough in some countries, that even linking to a page that explains how to do it is infringing (10:33:53 AM) yaloki: which is why we have http://opensuse-community.org, which is not affiliated with novell (10:33:54 AM) Michael_Knight: yaloki: It will be only the link to OneClickInstall on dvd. Do we have such links on wiki? (10:34:19 AM) Devilsprey99: MK: I think I used it (10:34:24 AM) Michael_Knight: ok, thanks for the answer (10:37:27 AM) suseROCKs: Devilsprey99: use <tab> for nick completion (10:37:44 AM) Devilsprey99: suseROCKs, Thanks (10:39:04 AM) rvaras [n=ricardo@pc-5-126-100-190.cm.vtr.net] entered the room. (10:44:05 AM) jbrockmeier: OK (10:44:58 AM) jbrockmeier: looking at the roadmap, we have an m2 release scheduled for the end of may (10:45:32 AM) jbrockmeier: and "milestone" releases through the end of September, instead of alphas and betas (10:45:44 AM) jbrockmeier: this is going to be a bit confusing for a lot of people, I think (10:49:49 AM) Beineri: why? milestone X+1 better than milestone X ;-) (10:51:47 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: convention (10:52:01 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: people are used to a1, a2, b1, b2, rc1, rc2 (10:52:19 AM) jbrockmeier: milestone X+1, X+2 has no frame of reference for most people, I'd suspect (10:52:30 AM) jbrockmeier: so they're going to be unclear as to when to jump into testing (10:52:46 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: not fedora people, it's just habit :-) (10:53:22 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: ask the KDE folks about experimenting with version #s and how well it goes over... ;-) (10:54:12 AM) jbrockmeier: anyway - one thing I think we'll need to be conscious of is explaining the general state of readiness for milestone releases (10:54:23 AM) jbrockmeier: because we obviously want people testing releases before rc1 (10:54:30 AM) Beineri: a traffic light :-) (10:54:32 AM) jbrockmeier: but maybe / maybe not m2, etc. (10:54:47 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: red/yellow/green? (10:54:53 AM) Beineri: though m1 might have been more usable than m2, m3, ... (10:55:01 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: right (10:55:21 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: that's not a bad idea - I wonder... (10:55:26 AM) jbrockmeier: to play off the counter idea (10:55:31 AM) suseROCKs: that's been a common issue I've seen in the past where people knee-jerk their conspiracy theory when +2 works worse than +1 (10:55:44 AM) Beineri: or how many levels has national terrorist or hurrican warning? :-) (10:55:45 AM) jbrockmeier: what if we had a Geeko that goes from red to yellow to green? (10:55:58 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: depends on the country, I think - u.s. has I think it's 5 (10:56:05 AM) jbrockmeier: for terrorist warnings (10:56:28 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: hurricanes are advisory, warning, and something else, then evactuation levels (10:56:31 AM) jbrockmeier: er, evacuation (10:56:48 AM) ***Beineri has no experiences with hurricanes (10:56:53 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: be glad :-) (10:58:46 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs, yaloki, michl what do you think - a geeko counter that changes color as we get closer to release? (10:59:07 AM) michl: jbrockmeier: nice to have (10:59:23 AM) michl: jbrockmeier_: its our turn (11:00:37 AM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: I envision geeko with an overcoat and there's a traffic light on his chest (11:00:43 AM) suseROCKs: sort of super-hero like (11:03:05 AM) jbrockmeier: michl: OK (11:04:16 AM) rvaras: and can you guys actually see Geeko's chest? I can barely :) (11:04:35 AM) ***suseROCKs notes one session done... going to take a short break and then give more attention to this channel. (11:13:37 AM) Devilsprey99: silence marketing policy (11:13:37 AM) Beineri: not that it fits exactly into to this channel but I submitted recently a new greeter text for the milestone releases with intention to encourage contributors (11:14:07 AM) Beineri: greeter (with almost final) text: http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/SUSEgreeter/ (11:16:13 AM) HeliosReds: Beineri: Looks good. :-) (11:16:59 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: did you submit as a feature or bug? (11:17:06 AM) jbrockmeier: against the greeter? (11:17:19 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: mhm, I submitted the patched greeter :-) (11:17:46 AM) Beineri: sorry for bypassing openFATE <g> (11:18:44 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: just wasn't clear on what you meant about "submitted" (11:19:02 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: osc *submit*request create (11:19:11 AM) jbrockmeier: OK (11:19:43 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: IIRC there was some discussion last release about dropping the greeter? (11:20:10 AM) Beineri: otherwise there is afaik no big optical change in factory since milestone 1 which could be shown in new screenshots, to come back on topic :) (11:20:40 AM) suseROCKs: ok I'm here now to give Marketing my love! (11:20:49 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: I'd say the greeter qualifies as on-topic... (11:20:52 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: gnome side discusses it sometimes, with every release, yes :-) (11:21:28 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: maybe we should make that the default FF page instead? (11:21:47 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: not more, how to get people to start CD/DVD so that they get the greeter to see at all? :-) (11:23:07 AM) Beineri: btw as proven by Google ;-), markting for 11.0 was better than for 11.1: http://google.com/trends?q=suse%2Copensuse&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0 (11:25:21 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: "marketing" or "demand"? (11:25:34 AM) Beineri: interest? (11:26:15 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: given that 11.1 was only 6 months after 11.0, and a week before Christmas... (11:26:24 AM) suseROCKs: bring me up to speed. What are we discussing and what have we agreed upon thus far? (11:26:34 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: was a bit more difficult to drum up interest in 11.1 compared to 11.0. (11:26:45 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: in theory, 11.2 launch plans (11:26:50 AM) jbrockmeier: 11.2 we're a little off topic (11:26:53 AM) jbrockmeier: so on that note.. (11:27:35 AM) suseROCKs: cool... we've agreed to launch 11.2 :-) (11:27:59 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri has started this page: http://en.opensuse.org/11.2 (11:28:15 AM) jbrockmeier: michl: I think that fits in with what we talked about in terms of tracking features for 11.2? (11:28:50 AM) michl: jbrockmeier: yes (11:29:07 AM) jbrockmeier: previous releases: http://en.opensuse.org/11.1 (11:29:16 AM) michl left the room ("Kopete 0.10 : http://kopete.kde.org"). (11:33:39 AM) jbrockmeier: Let's look first at the collateral for 11.2 (11:33:46 AM) jbrockmeier: what do we need to promote 11.2 ahead of time? (11:33:56 AM) jbrockmeier: and what can we provide to users to get the word out (11:34:30 AM) jbrockmeier: For instance, talking points for the 11.2 release (11:34:42 AM) ***Beineri likes "5 second boot" in openFATE ;-) (11:34:50 AM) suseROCKs: looking at beineri's page.... Looks good thus far. But you know, I wonder if this list is a good list for appealing to new users (by new I mean new to openSUSE as well as new to Linux)? (11:34:56 AM) Beineri: everyone would rush to check it out on his own machine (11:35:21 AM) suseROCKs: Primarily we're listing "latest and greatest" which is all good, but how does that differ us from others? (11:35:31 AM) Beineri: suseROCKs: for the development phase I wouldn't see new Linux users as target :-) (11:36:10 AM) Beineri: "more stuff on CD than others" (11:36:12 AM) suseROCKs: yes but this page doesn't seem to be aimed directly on development phase (11:36:17 AM) rvaras: I think that one cool thing would be having Disk covers, not just related to 11.2 but for future releases as well. In case we want to burn our own CDs/DVDs. (11:36:32 AM) Beineri: well, until until they have also lzma CDs with autumn releases before us (11:37:16 AM) suseROCKs: rvaras: we definitely need to have an artwork hackfest here for all aspects of artwork. Covers, desktops, etc. (11:37:47 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: to your other question about DVDs - this is the form: http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-DVDs (11:38:07 AM) rvaras: suseROCKs: sure we do, is it gonna happen during this week? (11:38:37 AM) suseROCKs: rvaras: I was unable to recruit the right people to lead those sessions. We'll probably propose a separate occassion for that. (11:38:49 AM) suseROCKs: Thereby keeping us in the news with more events. >:) (11:39:07 AM) suseROCKs: rvaras: how's your artistic skills? (11:40:00 AM) rvaras: suseROCKs: not that bad I guess, but I have never used tools like Inkscape, I just use the Gimp :D (11:40:40 AM) suseROCKs: That's something we should also include in that "Artwork Day" How to improve our skills with existing graphics tools. (11:41:00 AM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: what do you think? Should we organize a Artwork day? Or even Artwork Weekend? (11:41:34 AM) ***suseROCKs can't believe he typed "a Artwork" instead of "an Artwork"... Beineri must be disappointed in him now. (11:42:14 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: sure (11:42:40 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: Like I've said - I'm in favor of it, it's just a matter of finding people with ability (11:42:52 AM) suseROCKs: and time (11:43:03 AM) jbrockmeier: who do we have that can lead something like that aside from jimmac, who's already overworked? (11:43:28 AM) suseROCKs: I think kalleperrson is a possibility. Dunno his availability though. (11:43:34 AM) Beineri: suseROCKs: I don't care as much as benjiman (11:43:42 AM) suseROCKs: lol (11:44:17 AM) suseROCKs: kallepersson is on the GNOME artwork team (11:44:36 AM) suseROCKs: I mean GNOME.org (11:44:48 AM) rvaras: I think and Artwork Weekend would be great. I also would like openSUSE to have a brand new set of icons for Gnome :) more like KDE's Oxygen, just the Gnome "way" (11:45:59 AM) suseROCKs: rvaras: ok. after we recover from this week (and I *DO* mean recover, right jbrockmeier?) then let's talk about what we can do for that. (11:46:16 AM) jbrockmeier: rvaras: why a new set of icons? (11:46:21 AM) rvaras: suseROCKs: OK (11:47:11 AM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: because to my eyes, the default ones in Gnome look old compared to what KDE offers (11:48:09 AM) suseROCKs: there's always a debate about this set of icons and that set of icons. Let's not get bogged in that for this marketing session. (11:48:29 AM) jbrockmeier: what other talking points do we have for 11.2 (11:48:46 AM) jbrockmeier: IMHO, we need high-level benefits first (11:48:53 AM) jbrockmeier: before we get bogged down in specific features (11:49:04 AM) jbrockmeier: so what in 11.2 is going to be a major benefit to users? (11:49:16 AM) jbrockmeier: what's the "elevator pitch" for 11.2? (11:49:19 AM) jbrockmeier: vs. other OSes? (11:49:25 AM) jbrockmeier: or standalone? (11:49:30 AM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: it seems to me that we're really ahead of schedule on testing/trying out the latest DE's. Surely we can parlay that into a really polished 11.2 theme (11:50:52 AM) suseROCKs: Beineri's Reloaded, GNOME Team's 2.26 released the day 2.26 was released.. all showing how we're really really proactively working with cutting edge (11:50:54 AM) yaloki: jbrockmeier: *shrug* (11:51:00 AM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: ? (11:51:02 AM) yaloki: jbrockmeier: the geeko background is a "static" SVG (11:51:21 AM) rvaras: suseROCKs: a new theme with new icons? :D (11:51:21 AM) yaloki: oh, sorry, was an hour ago :) (11:51:33 AM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: I'm officially confused - context? (11:51:36 AM) suseROCKs: rvaras: no I meant theme as in 'message' (11:51:55 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: have to be careful with that ;-) (11:52:18 AM) suseROCKs: so I'm learning :-D (11:52:20 AM) yaloki: 16:58:42 #opensuse-marketing: < jbrockmeier> suseROCKs, yaloki, michl what do you think - a geeko counter that changes color as we get closer to release? (11:52:24 AM) yaloki: jbrockmeier: meant that :) (11:52:56 AM) suseROCKs: oh, now that I'm re-reading that line, I see better what jbrockmeier was asking for (11:53:14 AM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: OK - is that difficult to change? (11:53:22 AM) yaloki: jbrockmeier: yes (11:53:31 AM) jbrockmeier: OK (11:53:35 AM) jbrockmeier: :-( (11:53:44 AM) suseROCKs: yaloki: no offense, but I'd like to see that counter re-done for the next release. We've used the same basic image for 2 releases now. For those of us who post it permanently on our blogs, the image looks static (11:53:59 AM) jbrockmeier: I think it'd be really visually interesting if it changed as we get closer to release (11:54:09 AM) yaloki: suseROCKs: poke jimmac, he's the only one who has the designer skills to make a nice looking picture like that (11:54:21 AM) yaloki: jbrockmeier: feasible, I'd have to investigate what can be done with python PIL (11:54:31 AM) yaloki: jbrockmeier: prolly 2-3 hours of work (11:54:38 AM) suseROCKs: yaloki: all the more reason we need to expand our circle of artistes. I feel guilty every time I talk to jimmac (11:55:03 AM) yaloki: suseROCKs: haven't seen anyone yet in our community who comes even close to what jimmac is doing (11:55:20 AM) yaloki: suseROCKs: or, to put it otherwise, what others are doing (including me) is rubbish :) (11:55:31 AM) suseROCKs: decriptor has been looking for an avenue to get his wife (a graphic designer I believe) into the project as well. (11:56:30 AM) suseROCKs: yaloki: I know. I didn't want to single you out for once :-) (11:57:03 AM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: I haven't seen many people that come close to jimmac, period (11:57:10 AM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: but we can't make him do everything (11:57:25 AM) suseROCKs: I wonder when it will be the appropriate time to post a new counter? (11:57:29 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: now (11:57:31 AM) jbrockmeier: :-) (11:57:42 AM) suseROCKs: well, too early and it gets boring (11:57:46 AM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: actually, we need to get a counter up for the openSUSE Summit. (11:57:56 AM) jbrockmeier: any other thoughts on talking points for 11.2? (11:58:11 AM) jbrockmeier: obviously we have some time, but... I'd like to start getting that shaped up (11:58:11 AM) ***Beineri still wonders where openSUSE summit will happen (11:58:22 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: Nuremberg (11:58:29 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: more exactly (11:58:36 AM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: a building (11:58:41 AM) suseROCKs: Yup, that's right Beineri. You'll finally get a chance to clobber me in person soon. :-) (11:58:52 AM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: that's a mind-breaking idea (11:59:00 AM) Beineri: suseROCKs: dunno if I will/can take part (11:59:09 AM) suseROCKs: Beineri: Why not? (11:59:14 AM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: the disks you sent me weeks ago let you choose DE, but live CDs from the website let you choose either KDE or Gnome. Would't be good to have the chance to download both DE in one CD from the website? (11:59:23 AM) Beineri: suseROCKs: new job? busy? no vacation? (11:59:35 AM) suseROCKs: rvaras: we can't fit both in two cd's (11:59:57 AM) suseROCKs: Beineri: if you're working, you can still come by after work and teach me the proper way to drink like a German. (12:00:14 PM) suseROCKs: oops I mean "can't fit both on one cd" (12:00:19 PM) Beineri: suseROCKs: maybe you underestimate the size of Germany, or Europe (12:00:25 PM) jbrockmeier: rvaras: if you can find a way to fit both DE on a CD coolo would like to talk to you (12:00:47 PM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: strange but the CDs do :) (12:00:50 PM) jbrockmeier: so, I guess there are no more ideas related to the talking points... (12:00:59 PM) suseROCKs: rvaras: and no gluing two cd's together. That's cheating (12:01:00 PM) jbrockmeier: rvaras: huh? (12:01:21 PM) suseROCKs: rvaras: perhaps you're thinking of a Live DVD? (12:01:52 PM) suseROCKs: Beineri but currently, you reside in Nuremberg area, right? Anyway, I hope you'll be there one way or another. (12:02:18 PM) rvaras: suseROCKs: yes the live DVDs :) sorry about my mistake (12:02:26 PM) Beineri: suseROCKs: yeah (12:02:59 PM) suseROCKs: Beineri Unless something comes up for you, I'm going to hold you to that for a drink! (12:03:02 PM) suseROCKs: :-) (12:04:02 PM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: I think we need to task all the teams to come up with their list of 11.2 talking points. Unless that's already been done? (12:04:44 PM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: while I wish you all the success in the world finding a new gig before the summit, I do hope you'll try to attend (12:04:52 PM) Beineri: kde team: last distro to ship kde 4.3 ;-) (12:05:59 PM) Beineri: suseROCKs: is that sufficient? (12:07:21 PM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: distro to ship best KDE 4.3? (12:07:43 PM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: that would be openSUSE ;) (12:07:54 PM) suseROCKs: Well, what makes openSUSE's KDE 4.3 best? (12:08:20 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: I bet Beineri could tell us that. (12:09:32 PM) Beineri: dunno what will happen (12:10:40 PM) rvaras: I think what makes it the best is its careful chosen GUI (12:12:51 PM) suseROCKs: rvaras: well we hear that so often that openSUSE really has a great polished look and feel. (12:13:05 PM) rvaras: hmm hard to explain in english here, but compared to kubuntu and mandriva, openSUSE's KDE is more appealing, message box look better, kickoff menu is more organized, option dialogs are nicer (12:13:08 PM) suseROCKs: But from a marketing standpoint, what does "polished" mean and how effectively are we conveying that to people? (12:13:31 PM) suseROCKs: rvaras: I think you explained it quite well :-) (12:13:50 PM) rvaras: suseROCKs: thanks (12:14:15 PM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: so what else should we discuss about our 11.2 strategy? (12:16:14 PM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: off topic: Proposals for the openSUSE Summit 2009 are due by May 20th or may 15th? (12:16:15 PM) Devilsprey99 left the room (quit: "Leaving"). (12:16:17 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: any other "collateral" we can produce that will be effective (12:16:20 PM) jbrockmeier: rvaras: 20th (12:16:22 PM) suseROCKs: Do we still want yaloki to go door-to-door in all major worldwide cities discussing 11.2? (12:16:36 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: better him than me (12:17:02 PM) suseROCKs: yaloki has been begging us to let him do that, so let's set him off on his plan then. (12:17:08 PM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: I could just apply today and I'm getting "The call for presentations closes on May 15th" after clicking the button (12:17:26 PM) jbrockmeier: rvaras: let me fix that. (12:17:31 PM) rvaras: jbrockmeier: ;) (12:18:03 PM) arsenal [n=carsten@p57B5013B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] entered the room. (12:18:13 PM) suseROCKs: rvaras: be careful. The last time I pointed out one of jbrockmeier's mistakes, I had to sleep with one eye open for safety. (12:18:31 PM) suseROCKs: Hello arsenal! Welcome to the channel! (12:18:38 PM) arsenal: Thank you (12:18:54 PM) rvaras: suseROCKs: XD how come? (12:19:47 PM) suseROCKs: cuz I don't want to wake up with a horse head in my bed (From Godfather I) (12:20:01 PM) jbrockmeier: rvaras: fixed (12:20:27 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: that horse's head is long gone ;-) (12:20:47 PM) rvaras: heh (12:20:52 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: I used to have a horse head pillow http://www.kropserkel.com/horse_head_pillow.htm (12:20:55 PM) jbrockmeier: loved that thing (12:20:56 PM) jbrockmeier: OK (12:21:10 PM) jbrockmeier: seriously - any other ideas for what we can start working on now as collateral to promote 11.2? (12:21:28 PM) jbrockmeier: if you're trying to spread openSUSE: what materials would be useful? (12:21:38 PM) jbrockmeier: *materials as in: information, Web pages, etc. (12:22:21 PM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: define "spread" to whom? (12:22:46 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: OK, let's back up a notch - who's our target audience? (12:22:56 PM) suseROCKs: exactly :-) (12:22:58 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: new Linux users, experienced Linux users, potential contributors (12:23:00 PM) yaloki: facebook ? (12:23:10 PM) yaloki: we should try to push out some news to the opensuse facebook group (12:23:15 PM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: definitely (12:23:27 PM) yaloki: we really haven't kept an eye on that until now (12:23:36 PM) jbrockmeier: we have a little ;-) (12:23:40 PM) suseROCKs: yaloki: I'm planning to lead a Social Networking marketing session tomorrow. Hopefully we can really dive into all that (12:23:58 PM) yaloki: ok (12:24:05 PM) yaloki: suseROCKs: you have a schedule already (time) ? (12:24:06 PM) suseROCKs: We need to find people to regularly monitor those various channels (12:24:22 PM) jbrockmeier: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=94430984151 (12:24:25 PM) suseROCKs: no I think our marketing session tomorrow is informal iirc (12:24:55 PM) jbrockmeier: yaloki, suseROCKs, Beineri, rvaras: do we have agreement on target audience? (12:25:01 PM) jbrockmeier: (and anyone else in channel...) (12:25:06 PM) suseROCKs: I also realized there's a SuSE group too with about 2300 members. It's clear from some of the postings that not all of them realize SuSE may not be openSUSE (12:25:41 PM) suseROCKs: jbrockmeier: without a doubt, target audience *should* be new users. But, that's where it gets really tough. Explaining what is Linux, etc. (12:25:55 PM) rvaras: I agree (12:26:35 PM) suseROCKs: People understand that a PC is a computer with Windows hard-coded and a Mac is a computer with OSX hardcoded. That you can actually replace the operating system is a hard thing to explain to them. (12:26:58 PM) Beineri: jbrockmeier: everyone? sure :-) (12:27:15 PM) jbrockmeier: Beineri: I think we need to be more targeted than that (12:27:46 PM) suseROCKs: and I will be the first to admit, I get hesitant about pushing openSUSE on folks because I don't want to be the single person of contact for troubleshooting. (12:27:50 PM) rvaras: new computer users and IT pros (12:27:52 PM) Beineri: who is not included in "new Linux users, experienced Linux users, potential contributors"? (12:27:59 PM) suseROCKs: We should train Best Buy's Geek Squad to support openSUSE :-) (12:28:41 PM) rvaras: I think most "regular users" are fine with U, at least here (12:29:23 PM) suseROCKs: I'd like to see us target OEM's to work closely with us to polish their distribution of openSUSE. (12:29:27 PM) yaloki: myeah (12:29:36 PM) yaloki: if you're talking about pushing out information about 11.2, yes (12:29:40 PM) suseROCKs: That gives them a sure path into our community and makes our community more aware of their existence. (12:29:57 PM) bdunford [n=Bill@nat/novell/x-03bfc4301415b957] entered the room. (12:30:03 PM) yaloki: if we're talking about marketing in general and e.g. that facebook group, then no, it's also about finding out who's in there, who's interested in contributing, who's a developer who'd like to participate, etc... (12:30:15 PM) yaloki: but I suppose you're talking specifically about 11.2 (12:30:43 PM) rvaras: anyone knows people involved with Design? A friend of mine, who is a Design student, told me he loves openSUSE fonts, that could be a plus? (12:31:05 PM) suseROCKs: yaloki: what about those who say "sorry, we don't like IRC." That shouldn't make them any less a contributor. How do we enhance that? (12:31:48 PM) yaloki: suseROCKs: 1) facilitate access to IRC: howtos, with screenshots, etc.., and 2) well.. there's no magic, we have to take care of more communication channels (12:32:20 PM) suseROCKs: Totally agreed (12:32:42 PM) yaloki: the 1st part is doable (12:32:53 PM) suseROCKs: yaloki: is there a preferred time you'd like to do the Social Network session? (12:33:03 PM) yaloki: do for KDE and GNOME (konversation and xchat): where to click to launch the app, where to click to choose a nick, etc.. (12:33:36 PM) yaloki: suseROCKs: after 1900 UTC is best for me, because earlier, I'm either at work (and going to be very busy in the next days) or battling with the kids before they're in bed ;) (12:33:43 PM) suseROCKs: yaloki: that's another good point. When I first started IRC 1 1/2 years ago, I wasn't sure where I was going/getting myself into. (12:34:06 PM) arsenal left the room ("Ex-Chat"). (12:34:28 PM) suseROCKs: it's intimidating if you don't know what IRC is about. (12:34:48 PM) suseROCKs: now I'm not intimidated. Just simply hate it cuz you all won't leave me alone! :-) (12:35:54 PM) yaloki: right (12:35:59 PM) yaloki: showing some screenshots (12:36:03 PM) bdunford: fwiw, this is the first time i've used IRC, and I was surprised how much trouble i had getting it to work. i still don't think i could explain it to someone else. some idiot-proof instructions would help, i think. (12:37:08 PM) suseROCKs: bdunford: well we're glad you made it in here :-) (12:37:31 PM) bdunford: thank you. i'm a complete novice to this process, but i just wanted to watch and learn. (12:37:36 PM) yaloki: :) (12:37:53 PM) suseROCKs: bdunford: just know that now that you got in, we'll never let you out. (12:38:04 PM) bdunford: i have that feeling already... (12:38:07 PM) bdunford: i should run now (12:38:19 PM) suseROCKs: SHIELDS UP! (12:38:27 PM) bdunford: :) (12:38:59 PM) suseROCKs: yaloki: so... we as marketing team should emphasize the importance of IRC access ease but its still primarily a function for the KDE/GNOME teams to polish it up (12:39:10 PM) suseROCKs: A wizard would be good (12:39:41 PM) yaloki: well both konversation and xchat are unnecessarily complex for the 1st time setup IMHO (12:39:49 PM) yaloki: but there are parameters they cannot assume (12:40:00 PM) yaloki: like using the freenode network, and which server and which room to join (12:40:08 PM) yaloki: dunno whether it could be preconfigured (12:40:11 PM) suseROCKs: my first try was with Pidgin and couldn't figure it out. Then a couple of weeks later I discovered xchat. (12:40:19 PM) yaloki: to go to irc.freenode.net:6667 and #opensuse (12:40:27 PM) yaloki: a random nick maybe ^^ (12:41:10 PM) suseROCKs: bdunford: where do you hail from? (12:41:49 PM) bdunford: i work for Novell. i posted an item on our intranet, encouraging people to participate in community week. then i thought i had better do that myself. (12:42:10 PM) bdunford: i'm not sure what i can add, but i wanted to at least 'sit in' and learn (12:42:14 PM) suseROCKs: "Practice what I do, not what I preach"? (12:42:20 PM) bdunford: exactly (12:42:30 PM) suseROCKs: what do you do there? (12:42:48 PM) bdunford: internal communications. employee news and executive comms, things like that. (12:43:03 PM) suseROCKs: cool (12:43:06 PM) bdunford: i try to keep people abreast of what's going on, including with the open community (12:43:23 PM) bdunford: but i haven't been a first-hand participant (12:43:30 PM) suseROCKs: bdunford: well just so you know, yaloki and I are openSUSE Board Members. If there's anything we can do with you, just let us know. (12:43:44 PM) yaloki: for hookers, ask suseROCKs (12:44:04 PM) jbrockmeier: yaloki: wow (12:44:04 PM) bdunford: thank you very much. if there's anything you'd like the internal novell community to know about, pass it my way (12:44:05 PM) suseROCKs: They're not hookers... They're "Individual Entertainment Specialists" (12:44:14 PM) bdunford: ah, well that's good to know, too (12:44:16 PM) bdunford: :) (12:44:25 PM) jbrockmeier: bdunford: hi & thanks! (12:44:34 PM) bdunford: hi joe (12:45:08 PM) ***suseROCKs sees his name and pictures with his hookers splashed across Novell internal newsletters. And some channel manager saying "Hey I know Bryen!" (12:45:12 PM) ***yaloki goes home, take care of the kids, put them to bed and come back here (12:45:19 PM) yaloki: bbl (12:45:25 PM) suseROCKs: take it easy yaloki (12:45:35 PM) bdunford: nice to meet you (12:47:01 PM) suseROCKs: so anyone else want to take a break for now? It's almost evening time in Europe I think. So we might get more influx of people coming in here in an hour or so. (12:47:19 PM) suseROCKs: and if bdunford is in Waltham, he's on a lunch break. (12:47:35 PM) bdunford: provo. i'll be here for a few hours yet. (12:47:37 PM) rvaras: it's 12:47 PM here ad yes I'm starting to feel hungry :D (12:48:11 PM) suseROCKs: ok, if its ok with you jbrockmeier let's take a break and regroup in 90 minutes (12:51:07 PM) jbrockmeier: suseROCKs: works for me